OOTP 20 Challenge Draft Thread - Rd 17 Pick 10 (spleen1015)

[yeah826]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Nice pick. I had him on my radar long ago trying to decide between him and Duke Snider for my Dodgers pick.

Yep I don't know how much benchs will be relevant but its good to have another option and he's one of the guys I wanted if I didn't get Pudge.

[Vince, Pt. II]

Completely torn on my last picks. Do I want a LH slugger off the bench? A good defensive replacement type? A left handed (and third) starting pitcher / long reliever? Another bullpen arm?

I can't believe I don't have any Yankees yet.

[cmgdodgers]

1996 John Smoltz ATL

[Vince, Pt. II]

16.6 Chuck Knoblauch - 2B - 1996 - Minnesota Twins

[bhlloy]

16.7 C Lance Parrish, 1982 Detroit Tigers

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Vince, Pt. II

16.6 Chuck Knoblauch - 2B - 1996 - Minnesota Twins

Well done!

He has a monster season that year and it was before he started sucking at defense.

[Vince, Pt. II]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Well done!

He has a monster season that year and it was before he started sucking at defense.

Thanks; he's been my plan for a while now. Considered waiting until my last pick since everyone has 2B already, but figured I shouldn't tempt fate

[EagleFan]

Updated through here.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

16.7 C Lance Parrish, 1982 Detroit Tigers

That bum!!!

Sorry, still leaves a bad taste in my mouth how poorly he played with the Phillies.

[tarcone]

1B Dave Magadan 1990 New York Mets.

I followed this guy forever. I had him in my minors for my roto team when he was in the minors.
Always thought he should have been better.

[Breeze]

Originally Posted by tarcone

1B Dave Magadan 1990 New York Mets.

I followed this guy forever. I had him in my minors for my roto team when he was in the minors.
Always thought he should have been better.

Wasn't he the guy from University of Alabama that had a ridiculous batting average one year? I thought he was going to be a much stronger player in the major leagues...maybe not Boggs good, but maybe a Boggs lite type, and I use Boggs because I remembered him as a 3b for Alabama, but I'm old so I could be wrong.

[DavidCorperial]

16.9 2012 C Buster Posey

Sorry, didn't realize it was my turn.

[EagleFan]

Updated through here.

[Breeze]

Federals Select

16.10 - Paul Goldschmidt - Diamondbacks - 2015
17.1 - Darin Erstad - Angels - 2000

[DavidCorperial]

17.2 - 1884 P Old Hoss Radbourn Providence Grays

[tarcone]

Originally Posted by Breeze

Wasn't he the guy from University of Alabama that had a ridiculous batting average one year? I thought he was going to be a much stronger player in the major leagues...maybe not Boggs good, but maybe a Boggs lite type, and I use Boggs because I remembered him as a 3b for Alabama, but I'm old so I could be wrong.

Yes. 1983 he batted .525.

That was the 1st i saw him.

What a hitter.

[tarcone]

17-3 1983 C Tony Pena Pittsburgh Pirates

[bhlloy]

17.4 Jonathan Papelbon, 2006 Boston Red Sox

[EagleFan]

Updated through here.

[Vince, Pt. II]

Sorry guys, unexpectedly went out of town for the day today and didn't have access to the internet. Picking shortly.

[Vince, Pt. II]

17.5 Sam McDowell - SP - 1965 - Cleveland Indians

[cmgdodgers]

17.6 BJ Ryan 2006 CL Blue Jays

[Vince, Pt. II]

Originally Posted by cmgdodgers

17.6 BJ Ryan 2006 CL Blue Jays

thehitcat drafted him last round, unfortunately.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by cmgdodgers

17.6 BJ Ryan 2006 CL Blue Jays

Already drafted.

[cmgdodgers]

17.6 Joe Nathan 2006 CL Min

[yeah826]

2000 Nomar Garciaparra SS BOS

[thehitcat]

Denny McLain SP (he'll be out of our Bullpen if we need a long man) Detroit Tigers 1968

[jbergey22]

Francisco Rodriguez RP California Angels 2004

[EagleFan]

Updated through here.

[spleen1015]

17.10 Bobby Thigpen 1990 White Sox
18.1 Felix Hernandez 2010 Mariners

[jbergey22]

Ken Caminiti 3B San Diego Padres 1996

[thehitcat]

Harmon Killebrew 3B/1B Minnesota Twins 1969

[yeah826]

Lance Berkman 2001 OF Houston Astros

[cmgdodgers]

Sherry McGee 1910 LF PHI

[Vince, Pt. II]

Sorry guys, was all set to pick Carlos Delgado only to realize I somehow missed him being picked several rounds ago. I should have something soon.

[Vince, Pt. II]

18.6 Ron Guidry - SP - 1978 - New York Yankees

[bhlloy]

18.7 CF Marquise Grissom, 1992 Montreal Expos

[tarcone]

18-8 SS Dickie Thon 1983 Houston Astros

[DavidCorperial]

18.9 - 1971 P Wilbur Wood Chicago White Sox

[EagleFan]

Crazy day with work and my daughter's schedule. Going to vegetate for a bit and if I have time I'll update the draft tonight.

If not I will be on tomorrow to update it and start prepping for the season.

[Breeze]

With the Final Pick in the draft the Federals take:

1991 Bryan Harvey - 1991 - Marlins

[Vince, Pt. II]

Whew, done!

Rosters are basically locked now, correct? We are not adding/dropping players during the contest? I've been itching to discuss players who haven't been drafted for DAYS now, and I want to make sure I'm not being a jerk bringing them up now that the draft is over.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Vince, Pt. II

Whew, done!

Rosters are basically locked now, correct? We are not adding/dropping players during the contest? I've been itching to discuss players who haven't been drafted for DAYS now, and I want to make sure I'm not being a jerk bringing them up now that the draft is over.

Rules
- 18 player roster
- No trades/free agents

[bhlloy]

I think we're good to discuss away - my initial thought is I think there's definitely a recency bias with the way OOTP imports players, and I know the star ratings in EF's posts aren't the be all and end all (and because everyone is good, it's a little skewed) but still, feels like there are a lot of absolute all-timers who haven't graded out as well as borderline HOF guys from the modern era. Cobb and Cy Young are obvious ones, but you look at the fact that Johnny Bench is the second lowest rated catcher in the game when everyone had a starter, it's definitely a bit hit or miss.

As it affected strategy for my drafting, it became pretty obvious to me about halfway through that I just needed to load up on newer guys with decent power numbers, and ironically most of my guys drafted after the 7th round graded out higher than the guys I picked early. Shurg. Definitely adapting to it was a lot of the fun and I'm really interested to see the rosters and how players actually grade out in game... thanks for doing this EF!

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

I think we're good to discuss away - my initial thought is I think there's definitely a recency bias with the way OOTP imports players, and I know the star ratings in EF's posts aren't the be all and end all (and because everyone is good, it's a little skewed) but still, feels like there are a lot of absolute all-timers who haven't graded out as well as borderline HOF guys from the modern era. Cobb and Cy Young are obvious ones, but you look at the fact that Johnny Bench is the second lowest rated catcher in the game when everyone had a starter, it's definitely a bit hit or miss.

As it affected strategy for my drafting, it became pretty obvious to me about halfway through that I just needed to load up on newer guys with decent power numbers, and ironically most of my guys drafted after the 7th round graded out higher than the guys I picked early. Shurg. Definitely adapting to it was a lot of the fun and I'm really interested to see the rosters and how players actually grade out in game... thanks for doing this EF!

Well said! I agree

1945 Hal Newhouser 1.81 ERA, 2.45 FIP and 11.3 WAR porting in badly is what changed my philosophy. In todays MLB world strikeouts, home runs, and defense is what matters.

[thehitcat]

I'll also say that rather than game theory recency bias I tended to pick players I had actually seen play the game. It was a conscious choice for me, along with basing a number of my picks on my favored Power/Speed number for hitters, over players who would be considered all-timers. For example Eric the Red in Round 6 when Clemente, Matthewson and Robinson were all still on the board (to just name 3 of the next 5 picks )

[Breeze]

Of course all these players are all rated on a single season, which removes the need for consistent greatness. There are a bunch of players who have had at least 1 great year, and that year can be as good as an all-time player's output. To get a better since of how great some of the all-timers are you'd need to take a composite of a peak set of years - say 7. Then you'd start to see some major gaps between good players and the historic ones.

Going to be real interested to see how this plays out...

[bhlloy]

Originally Posted by Breeze

Of course all these players are all rated on a single season, which removes the need for consistent greatness. There are a bunch of players who have had at least 1 great year, and that year can be as good as an all-time player's output. To get a better since of how great some of the all-timers are you'd need to take a composite of a peak set of years - say 7. Then you'd start to see some major gaps between good players and the historic ones.

Going to be real interested to see how this plays out...

I'd already considered that though... Bench had the second highest WAR season ever for a catcher, Cy Young has multiple years inside the top 30 all time, all of my top 7 or 8 picks were inside the top 3 or 5 WAR single season by position (except Trout, who was a total homer pick). The single season aspect was literally how I was ranking my guys.

Once I saw how little EF's list were valuing those players, I just started picking modern era guys with inflated power numbers and that seems to work out much better. At least in terms of how the game values them... I guess we'll see what happens when the games start to get played, but I fear it's such a small sample size we really won't be able to figure too much out.

[tarcone]

I went for great seasons. I would think a .400 plus batting average would translate well in any era.
I went back and forth. I picked Stanton and his 59 HRs. But I also took Rabbit Marranville. But for his defense. Not sure how it translated.

This was a great time. I did lose a little in rounds 15-18. Esp. since I knew those guys wouldnt play.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Breeze

With the Final Pick in the draft the Federals take:

1991 Bryan Harvey - 1991 - Marlins

1993? 1991 was Angels and you have an Angels player.