Werewolf: The Rebirth (Game Over! Thank you for playing)

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by Zinto

This is why I think that there is a stat (that it is probably social) that will help whoever is in the leadership role be successful. I think that it isn't so crazy that there will be dice roles using stats for everything we do. If not there is no reason to vote anyone as the leader other than someone for meta reasons. I would be all for Jag at that point.

I probably should have read this again before posting. If the belief is that stats are really not important for a leadership role than we should just vote for leaders based on meta reasons.

[timmae]

How critical do people feel about communications with earth? It seems like the first landing attempt went haywire... EF has mentioned communications a few times. Should the engineering team be ready to get that connection back up and running? Not quite as much of a need as food maybe but could be critical to survival.

Note: Not sure how much we should be/need to be micromanaging some of these aspects. If the solar collector is our day 1 task then maybe we don't need to talk about this yet.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by Zinto

This is why I think that there is a stat (that it is probably social) that will help whoever is in the leadership role be successful. I think that it isn't so crazy that there will be dice roles using stats for everything we do. If not there is no reason to vote anyone as the leader other than someone for meta reasons. I would be all for Jag at that point.

I'm not really sure I get how you're interpreting that. I read it as saying "You should fill all the positions or you won't be as effective in the position that's vacant".

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by timmae

How critical do people feel about communications with earth? It seems like the first landing attempt went haywire... EF has mentioned communications a few times. Should the engineering team be ready to get that connection back up and running? Not quite as much of a need as food maybe but could be critical to survival.

I'm not sure how important it is, but I'm not sure how important anything is at the moment. I think it might be useful in finding out the identity of the extra colonist but I tend to think that it's mostly flavour to show that we've isolated and we have to look after ourselves.

[CrimsonFox]

Okay I like those thoughts...

Scientist Narcizo
Engineer saldana

[Shoveler]

Seeing as there is a large discussion about who/why to vote into the leadership position, I will explain my personal rationalization. I may be over analyzing this, but as I said when I signed up, I'm new to this.

Zinto - A CEO is sent to colonize Mars? I have to assume you weren't a successful CEO or you wouldn't have abandoned your company or the Earth for that matter. So if that is true, I have to rule you out as leader of the colony.

Thomkal - Retired Military. While some former military members have made for excellent leaders on Earth, our small colony on Mars should not need your area of expertise. Definitely a viable candidate.

Fontisian - History Professor. Not really the career I think of for a leadership role. However, the background in history may help to prevent mistakes made by colonists in a similar situation back on Earth. Another viable candidate.

CrimsonFox - Auto Mechanic. No leadership experience on Earth, probably not the background I would look at to lead on Mars.

DanGarion - Motivational Speaker? - Not really certain what his past experience on Earth was, but could have a positive impact as leader. Just need more information to make an informed decision.

[EagleFan]

As of post 355

Leader
DanGarion 3 - timmae (247), DanGarion (296), Grover (307)
fontisian 3 - Shoveler (246), fontisian (292), Autumn (319)
CrimsonFox 2 - britrock88 (210), CrimsonFox (312)
Zinto 1 - Zinto (265)
No Vote 1 - Thomkal (231)

Scientist
timmae 5 - britrock88 (210), Shoveler (246), timmae (247), DanGarion (296), Grover (307)
Raven 3 - Zinto (265), fontisian (292), Autumn (319)
Narcizo 1 - CrimsonFox(355)
No Vote 1 - Thomkal (231)

Engineer
Grover 8 - britrock88 (210), Shoveler (246), timmae (247), Zinto (265), fontisian (292), DanGarion (296), Grover (307), Autumn (319)
saldana 1 - CrimsonFox (355)
No Vote 1 - Thomkal (231)

Sherriff
britrock88 3 - britrock88 (210), Zinto (265), fontisian (292)
Thomkal 3 - DanGarion (296), Grover (307), CrimsonFox (330)
Shoveler 2 - Shoveler (246), timmae (247)
JAG 1 - Autumn (319)
No Vote 1 - Thomkal (231)

Doctor
Chief Rum 5 - Shoveler (246), timmae (247), fontisian (292), DanGarion (296), Grover (307)
Autumn 3 - britrock88 (210), Thomkal (231), Zinto (265), Autumn (319)
ntndeacon 1 - CrimsonFox (297)

Project
Government 5 - britrock88 (210), Shoveler (246), timmae (247), Zinto (265), fontisian (292)
Biodome 5 - Thomkal (231), DanGarion (296), CrimsonFox (297), Grover (307), Autumn (319)

Yet to Vote
Chief Rum, The Jackal, Suicane75, Schmidty, ntndeacon, JAG, saldana, GoldenEagle, Raven, Danny, Narcizo, SharkN20

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

I'm not really sure I get how you're interpreting that. I read it as saying "You should fill all the positions or you won't be as effective in the position that's vacant".

I agree. I just also took it to mean that leaders influence how well the workers work and I am assuming that different leaders will be able to influence workers better.

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by Shoveler

Seeing as there is a large discussion about who/why to vote into the leadership position, I will explain my personal rationalization. I may be over analyzing this, but as I said when I signed up, I'm new to this.

Zinto - A CEO is sent to colonize Mars? I have to assume you weren't a successful CEO or you wouldn't have abandoned your company or the Earth for that matter. So if that is true, I have to rule you out as leader of the colony.

Thomkal - Retired Military. While some former military members have made for excellent leaders on Earth, our small colony on Mars should not need your area of expertise. Definitely a viable candidate.

Fontisian - History Professor. Not really the career I think of for a leadership role. However, the background in history may help to prevent mistakes made by colonists in a similar situation back on Earth. Another viable candidate.

CrimsonFox - Auto Mechanic. No leadership experience on Earth, probably not the background I would look at to lead on Mars.

DanGarion - Motivational Speaker? - Not really certain what his past experience on Earth was, but could have a positive impact as leader. Just need more information to make an informed decision.

I retired a few years ago. This expedition was a perfect opportunity for me to experience something amazing during my retirement years

[JAG]

Originally Posted by timmae

How critical do people feel about communications with earth? It seems like the first landing attempt went haywire... EF has mentioned communications a few times. Should the engineering team be ready to get that connection back up and running? Not quite as much of a need as food maybe but could be critical to survival.

Note: Not sure how much we should be/need to be micromanaging some of these aspects. If the solar collector is our day 1 task then maybe we don't need to talk about this yet.

From page 1 items:

Communication Equipment - Allows communication with earth when working. Can receive important information from headquarters.


We don't know how important "important information" is, but it sounds...important? It seems we're going to have to make decisions about facilities to protect based on some of what EF has said.

[JAG]

Leader: Zinto
Scientist: timmae
Sherriff: JAG
Project: Science Research Facility

In the Spawn game, getting our research going was critical to our near victory. Had we started it earlier, we might've won. I think we'll need whatever products we might be able to obtain from this ASAP, plus it may give us flexibility in handling whatever difficulties we need to overcome, whereas the biodome is more limited in scope.

[The Jackal]

8 pages already! First day back at work after vacation so catching up as I can and I'll post some later on.

[Shoveler]

Originally Posted by Zinto

I retired a few years ago. This expedition was a perfect opportunity for me to experience something amazing during my retirement years

Oops, did I miss that from earlier in the thread? I was using your condensed list from page 6 as a reference.

[Raven]

Shoveler, thanks for summing up each Leader candidate. That is extremely helpful

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Raven

Shoveler, thanks for summing up each Leader candidate. That is extremely helpful

+1...would be nice to have something similar for each role if anyone has the time

[JAG]

Docto: Autumn

Chief of staff at a large hospital sounds like pretty good qualifications.

[EagleFan]

As of post 366

Leader
DanGarion 3 - timmae (247), DanGarion (296), Grover (307)
fontisian 3 - Shoveler (246), fontisian (292), Autumn (319)
CrimsonFox 2 - britrock88 (210), CrimsonFox (312)
Zinto 2 - Zinto (265), JAG (361)
No Vote 1 - Thomkal (231)

Scientist
timmae 6 - britrock88 (210), Shoveler (246), timmae (247), DanGarion (296), Grover (307), JAG (361)
Raven 3 - Zinto (265), fontisian (292), Autumn (319)
Narcizo 1 - CrimsonFox(355)
No Vote 1 - Thomkal (231)

Engineer
Grover 8 - britrock88 (210), Shoveler (246), timmae (247), Zinto (265), fontisian (292), DanGarion (296), Grover (307), Autumn (319)
saldana 1 - CrimsonFox (355)
No Vote 2 - Thomkal (231), JAG(361)

Sherriff
britrock88 3 - britrock88 (210), Zinto (265), fontisian (292)
Thomkal 3 - DanGarion (296), Grover (307), CrimsonFox (330)
Shoveler 2 - Shoveler (246), timmae (247)
JAG 2 - Autumn (319), JAG (361)
No Vote 1 - Thomkal (231)

Doctor
Chief Rum 5 - Shoveler (246), timmae (247), fontisian (292), DanGarion (296), Grover (307)
Autumn 4 - britrock88 (210), Thomkal (231), Zinto (265), Autumn (319), JAG (366)
ntndeacon 1 - CrimsonFox (297)

Project
Government 5 - britrock88 (210), Shoveler (246), timmae (247), Zinto (265), fontisian (292)
Biodome 5 - Thomkal (231), DanGarion (296), CrimsonFox (297), Grover (307), Autumn (319)
Science Center 1 - JAG (361)

Yet to Vote
Chief Rum, The Jackal, Suicane75, Schmidty, ntndeacon, saldana, GoldenEagle, Raven, Danny, Narcizo, SharkN20

[GoldenEagle]

Checking in. I am going to get caught up on everything and then start making some votes.

[JAG]

Engineer: Saldana

[ntndeacon]

I believe the stats are important for all of the jobs. And I think that some of the better folks will be not in the obvious places.

[Chief Rum]

It looks like the decision on Doctor will ride on what everyone feels is more important--running a facility or heavy trauma experience. I can't deny that Autumn is the better beauracrat and probably a more accredited doctor.

But, IMO, what really matters is our skills, within this gameset. And I know I see enough from the skill list I was given to figure what the likely range is for worst to best. Quoting the number is not allowed, so I won't, but I will only say this--if the range that these skill numbers suggests is what I think it is, I am very skilled in the medical field.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

As of post 366

Doctor
Chief Rum 5 - Shoveler (246), timmae (247), fontisian (292), DanGarion (296), Grover (307)
Autumn 4 - britrock88 (210), Thomkal (231), Zinto (265), Autumn (319), JAG (366)
ntndeacon 1 - CrimsonFox (297)

FYI, EF, Autumn has 5 votes now.

[JAG]

As for my background, it is not impressive (high school football coach), however I would gain some unknown benefits in the role which is why I'm making myself a candidate. I do have experience in leading and training which one would need as a head Sherriff.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

It looks like the decision on Doctor will ride on what everyone feels is more important--running a facility or heavy trauma experience. I can't deny that Autumn is the better beauracrat and probably a more accredited doctor.

But, IMO, what really matters is our skills, within this gameset. And I know I see enough from the skill list I was given to figure what the likely range is for worst to best. Quoting the number is not allowed, so I won't, but I will only say this--if the range that these skill numbers suggests is what I think it is, I am very skilled in the medical field.

I want you on the front lines, tending to the wounded. I would assume Autumn's stats are no worse than yours, and probably better suited for a leadership position.

[EagleFan]

As of post 373

Leader
DanGarion 3 - timmae (247), DanGarion (296), Grover (307)
fontisian 3 - Shoveler (246), fontisian (292), Autumn (319)
CrimsonFox 2 - britrock88 (210), CrimsonFox (312)
Zinto 2 - Zinto (265), JAG (361)
No Vote 1 - Thomkal (231)

Scientist
timmae 6 - britrock88 (210), Shoveler (246), timmae (247), DanGarion (296), Grover (307), JAG (361)
Raven 3 - Zinto (265), fontisian (292), Autumn (319)
Narcizo 1 - CrimsonFox(355)
No Vote 1 - Thomkal (231)

Engineer
Grover 8 - britrock88 (210), Shoveler (246), timmae (247), Zinto (265), fontisian (292), DanGarion (296), Grover (307), Autumn (319)
saldana 2 - CrimsonFox (355), JAG (369)

Sherriff
britrock88 3 - britrock88 (210), Zinto (265), fontisian (292)
Thomkal 3 - DanGarion (296), Grover (307), CrimsonFox (330)
Shoveler 2 - Shoveler (246), timmae (247)
JAG 2 - Autumn (319), JAG (361)
No Vote 1 - Thomkal (231)

Doctor
Chief Rum 5 - Shoveler (246), timmae (247), fontisian (292), DanGarion (296), Grover (307)
Autumn 5 - britrock88 (210), Thomkal (231), Zinto (265), Autumn (319), JAG (366)
ntndeacon 1 - CrimsonFox (297)

Project
Government 5 - britrock88 (210), Shoveler (246), timmae (247), Zinto (265), fontisian (292)
Biodome 5 - Thomkal (231), DanGarion (296), CrimsonFox (297), Grover (307), Autumn (319)
Science Center 1 - JAG (361)

Yet to Vote
Chief Rum, The Jackal, Suicane75, Schmidty, ntndeacon, saldana, GoldenEagle, Raven, Danny, Narcizo, SharkN20

[Shoveler]

Doctors

Autumn - Medical Chief of Staff - More of a physician administration position. May be ideal candidate for doctor, should have developed skills working as the liaison between physician staff and hospital administration.

Chief Rum - Emergency Room Physician - Jack of all trades physician. Broad knowledge, most likely specialized in general medicine rather than a surgical specialty. Another candidate for lead doctor.

ntndeacon - Emergency Medical Technician - First responder type, perfect for triage care. May not be ideal for the doctor.

[ntndeacon]

Chief makes a good point. we don't know for sure what the high number is. We can only make an assumption. Assuming the high number that I suspect, I am also very skilled in the medical field.

[Chief Rum]

BTW, I don't know Autumn's qualifications beyond what he says here, of course, but I would guess he is as qualified as a doctor as he is as a medical beauracrat. I don't want to mislead and make it seem like he's just a stuffy suit with excellent organizational skills. Based on the bio he has put forth, he may indeed be the most skilled medical professional on the mission.

[Shoveler]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

Chief makes a good point. we don't know for sure what the high number is. We can only make an assumption. Assuming the high number that I suspect, I am also very skilled in the medical field.

As an EMT you cannot even write a prescription for what little medication we might have with us. Assuming of course that our drugs were provided by the US and therefore are under the authority of the DEA even here on Mars.

Sorry, but I think your background makes you a medical grunt. I'm not willing to go under the knife with an EMT at the helm.

[Shoveler]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

BTW, I don't know Autumn's qualifications beyond what he says here, of course, but I would guess he is as qualified as a doctor as he is as a medical beauracrat. I don't want to mislead and make it seem like he's just a stuffy suit with excellent organizational skills. Based on the bio he has put forth, he may indeed be the most skilled medical professional on the mission.

Medical Chief of Staff implies they are both a very qualified physician in their field, and have the skill set to deal with the administrative side of the hospital business.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Grover

I spent two years as an engineer on the ISS. I'm willing to handle the engineering aspects of our projects.

Two years, maybe you'll make a quality engineer some day!

I'm an MIT Professor of Engineering, and I'd be more than happy to lead the engineering efforts. My vast experience will be crucial to getting the Biodome up and running.

[Autumn]

I am guessing if there are any medical tasks we can pick any one or more of us to do it, the leader will just be amplifying the success of our medical work. Same with many of the other positions. Sheriff and Leader seem like the ones that might work a bit differently, with perhaps Sheriff responsible for idnividually dealing with trouble.

[ntndeacon]

Leader -- fontisian
Scientist--timmae
Engineer--saldana
Sherriff--britrock88
Doctor--ntndeacon
Project--Medical center

[Chief Rum]

I think that a biodome is a good start, but I highly recommend (naturally) that we get to work on a medical facility as soon as possible.

As we all know, we have a health rating, with a certain point value. That means there will be events that happen that will hurt some of us, but fall short of being actually dead. A medical facility will be critical to healing those players. Presumeably, hurt players will be much less effective in their respective tasks/responsibilities, and of course, at some low point, could even be completely out of commission as a result of their injuries.

[Grover]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

Two years, maybe you'll make a quality engineer some day!

I'm an MIT Professor of Engineering, and I'd be more than happy to lead the engineering efforts. My vast experience will be crucial to getting the Biodome up and running.

Oh great, an MIT blowhard. Maybe you can wrangle up a D&D game here on Mars.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Shoveler

Medical Chief of Staff implies they are both a very qualified physician in their field, and have the skill set to deal with the administrative side of the hospital business.

Yes and no. Perhaps I have watched too many hospital procedurals, but sometimes the medical chief of staff is just a reasonable doctor who was better at politics/moving up the ladder/etc.

I just wanted to say, given that impression, that I do not believe that to be the case with Autumn.

[Shoveler]

Originally Posted by Grover

Oh great, an MIT blowhard. Maybe you can wrangle up a D&D game here on Mars.

Those you can, do. Those you can't, teach.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Shoveler

As an EMT you cannot even write a prescription for what little medication we might have with us. Assuming of course that our drugs were provided by the US and therefore are under the authority of the DEA even here on Mars.

Sorry, but I think your background makes you a medical grunt. I'm not willing to go under the knife with an EMT at the helm.

I agree with your point on surgery, but I am pretty sure the ability to dispense care, including drugs, will be a lot more loose on a colony on Mars. Pretty much any qualified medical professional will almost be required to have the latitude to provide whatever health care they can provide in the kind of trauma situations we are likely to see.

[Shoveler]

Originally Posted by Shoveler

Those you can, do. Those you can't, teach.

Wow, botched that one..

you = who

[Grover]

But to argue Jackal's point about being ideal for the Biodome project. Yes, we're both engineers, but has he lived in space for an extended amount of time? I'm also an astronaut, I have the knowledge of what it takes to survive in a foreign atmosphere such as Mars. I've done space walks, I've worked on and designed equipment for use in space AND put it to the test.

[Shoveler]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I agree with your point on surgery, but I am pretty sure the ability to dispense care, including drugs, will be a lot more loose on a colony on Mars. Pretty much any qualified medical professional will almost be required to have the latitude to provide whatever health care they can provide in the kind of trauma situations we are likely to see.

Which brings us back to the overall concept of who should be the Doctor, not acting in the capacity as a medical professional, but in charge of the whole works.

[ntndeacon]

Shoveler, you are making a mistake to only look at the titles. (or so I believe) And that isn't just in the Doctor race. It's pretty clear that I won't be the first choice for a doctor. I do have similar concerns for the head of a hospital coming to Mars that you have with a CEO. So, if if the Doctor race is still close this evening, I will be changing my vote, assuming I am still out of the race.

[The Jackal]

Leader - DanGarion
Scientist - timmae
Engineer - Jackal
Sheriff - britrock88
Doctor - Autumn
Project - Biodome

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Grover

But to argue Jackal's point about being ideal for the Biodome project. Yes, we're both engineers, but has he lived in space for an extended amount of time? I'm also an astronaut, I have the knowledge of what it takes to survive in a foreign atmosphere such as Mars. I've done space walks, I've worked on and designed equipment for use in space AND put it to the test.

Hey, we'll certainly need people with experience to help put things together. The point of being the lead engineer is to plan the projects, to ensure that every last detail is accounted for. How many projects have you designed?

I'm looking forwards to working with you, however there are levels of complexity in design that practical experience alone cannot give you.

[Shoveler]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

Shoveler, you are making a mistake to only look at the titles. (or so I believe) And that isn't just in the Doctor race. It's pretty clear that I won't be the first choice for a doctor. I do have similar concerns for the head of a hospital coming to Mars that you have with a CEO. So, if if the Doctor race is still close this evening, I will be changing my vote, assuming I am still out of the race.

We don't exactly have much else to go off of at this point. Our skills are secret and not to be revealed, so I am disregarding the comments about people having what they believe are high skill sets as I don't believe that should have been mentioned.

So how else should we be evaluating each position? I don't know any of you as I have never participated in a WW game before. So my decisions are not at all influenced by how so and so did in a past game. All I can go off of is the past experience presented by each person's background.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Grover

Oh great, an MIT blowhard. Maybe you can wrangle up a D&D game here on Mars.

I'm also a hell of a dungeon master, for the down time.

[EagleFan]

As of post 394

Leader
fontisian 4 - Shoveler (246), fontisian (292), Autumn (319), ntndeacon (383)
DanGarion 4 - timmae (247), DanGarion (296), Grover (307), The Jackal (393)
CrimsonFox 2 - britrock88 (210), CrimsonFox (312)
Zinto 2 - Zinto (265), JAG (361)
No Vote 1 - Thomkal (231)

Scientist
timmae 8 - britrock88 (210), Shoveler (246), timmae (247), DanGarion (296), Grover (307), JAG (361), ntndeacon (383), The Jackal (393)
Raven 3 - Zinto (265), fontisian (292), Autumn (319)
Narcizo 1 - CrimsonFox(355)
No Vote 1 - Thomkal (231)

Engineer
Grover 8 - britrock88 (210), Shoveler (246), timmae (247), Zinto (265), fontisian (292), DanGarion (296), Grover (307), Autumn (319)
saldana 3 - CrimsonFox (355), JAG (369), ntndeacon (383)
The Jackal 1 - The Jackal (393)

Sherriff
britrock88 5 - britrock88 (210), Zinto (265), fontisian (292), ntndeacon (383), The Jackal (393)
Thomkal 3 - DanGarion (296), Grover (307), CrimsonFox (330)
Shoveler 2 - Shoveler (246), timmae (247)
JAG 2 - Autumn (319), JAG (361)
No Vote 1 - Thomkal (231)

Doctor
Autumn 6 - britrock88 (210), Thomkal (231), Zinto (265), Autumn (319), JAG (366), The Jackal (393)
Chief Rum 5 - Shoveler (246), timmae (247), fontisian (292), DanGarion (296), Grover (307)
ntndeacon 2 - CrimsonFox (297), ntndeacon (383)

Project
Biodome 6 - Thomkal (231), DanGarion (296), CrimsonFox (297), Grover (307), Autumn (319), The Jackal (393)
Government 5 - britrock88 (210), Shoveler (246), timmae (247), Zinto (265), fontisian (292)
Science Center 1 - JAG (361)
Medical Center 1 - ntndeacon (383)

Yet to Vote
Chief Rum, Suicane75, Schmidty, saldana, GoldenEagle, Raven, Danny, Narcizo, SharkN20

[Raven]

Originally Posted by Grover

But to argue Jackal's point about being ideal for the Biodome project. Yes, we're both engineers, but has he lived in space for an extended amount of time? I'm also an astronaut, I have the knowledge of what it takes to survive in a foreign atmosphere such as Mars. I've done space walks, I've worked on and designed equipment for use in space AND put it to the test.

I went from Grover to Jackal, then back to Grover.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

I'm also a hell of a dungeon master, for the down time.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

Two years, maybe you'll make a quality engineer some day!

I'm an MIT Professor of Engineering, and I'd be more than happy to lead the engineering efforts. My vast experience will be crucial to getting the Biodome up and running.

who invited Howard Wolowitz...welcome aboard Fruit Loops!