Mixed Martial Arts Thread (UFC and others)

[General Mike]

Meltzer is reporting Ken Shamrock is out. Frank Shamrock might be in.

[General Mike]

from Dave Meltzer:

Apparently Slice's camp has agreed to the Petruzelli match and it's on. Nothing has been said officially though.

[JonInMiddleGA]

And a cut saves Shamrock's life by a narrow margin.

[Flasch186]

eh, Shamrock couldve snuck a win against Slice so now that'll happen probably in Jan/Feb, I am sure if ratings stay decent tonight.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Flasch186

eh, Shamrock couldve snuck a win against Slice so now that'll happen probably in Jan/Feb, I am sure if ratings stay decent tonight.

At this point I have no confidence that Shamrock could beat anybody with a pulse even in Vince booked him to go over.

[Flasch186]

WOW, what a terrible ref job in the first match. The hitter stands there and basically says to the ref, "hey ref, wanna step in here? No? OK." CRACK, "how bout now? no? ok." CRACK and finally the ref, RELUCTANTLY steps in. Asshat. I hope they never use him again.

[DaddyTorgo]

would be great if Seth could pull out the win here and end the Kimbo-phenomenon

[MikeVic]

I agree.

That girl fighter earlier was pretty cute.

[DaddyTorgo]

i missed the girls. just tuned in for the last like...45 minutes

[DaddyTorgo]

why does kimbo have a tat on one pec and hair on the other? it looks fuckin weird

[MikeVic]

hahaha

[DaddyTorgo]

HAHAHA


that was great

[JonInMiddleGA]

Oops.

[spleen1015]

ROFL.

[TLK]

Oh my.

[DeToxRox]

Oh man that was awesome.

[MikeVic]

Poor guy.

[DaddyTorgo]

idk wtf kimbo was thinking trying to shoot on a guy who's a legit fighter who was back against the cage, but man seth made him pay by dancin around and raining down the hammer-fists.


kimbo rolling onto his back after the blows was the decider though...he rolled and didn't get seth into the guard to control it or anything, so he just kept eating fists

[VPI97]

lol @ Kimbo

[General Mike]

WTFPWNED, as they say.

[JonInMiddleGA]

And so ends primetime MMA on CBS, unless Ortiz really signs with them & they use him for a draw, without Kimbo they don't have enough oomph to keep the deal alive IMO.

[DaddyTorgo]

14 seconds...LOL

[DeToxRox]

And with Kimbo's loss ends EliteXC

[Flasch186]

I disagree, Tito Ortiz, Frank Shamrock, a Ken Shamrock v. Kimbo rematch where they air the weigh in footage over and over and over.....and Carrano. It will DEFINITELY get another airing and we havnt even got the ratings yet. I will bet 3R on it.

[JonInMiddleGA]

It's like the XFL all over again

[DaddyTorgo]

love mauro "oh we gotta give kimbo a mulligan on this one" ranallo -- uhhhhh no

[MikeVic]

I'll watch this another time for that girl.

[Deattribution]

Nobody should be surprised that Kimbo isn't very good, but he's still going to be a draw. He'll get at least one more fight as a draw, where he can say he learned from his last fight ect ect (or make up some excuses) then depending on how good he looks, that could be it.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Flasch186

I disagree, Tito Ortiz, Frank Shamrock, a Ken Shamrock v. Kimbo rematch where they air the weigh in footage over and over and over.....and Carrano. It will DEFINITELY get another airing and we havnt even got the ratings yet. I will bet 3R on it.

Doesn't sound as though the organization will survive long enough for it to happen (assuming the financial details of this editorial are correct)

They had to borrow money just to get through to tonight after accruing over $50 million in debt already. Kimbo was the franchise, only Carano has any marketability to the masses & that's largely a sideshow itself (albeit a talented sideshow perhaps). They might be able to work something with Ortiz in a last ditch effort to save themselves but that's the only shot I see left for them. As fighters go, Ken is one of the best talkers left, pity the tank is so obviously empty. And Frank? Well let's be honest, do you really see him as a guy who can save a company at this stage of his career?

They'd have a better shot at drawing ratings if they went back to the roots & just showed a toughman contest from a bar somewhere.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

And so ends primetime MMA on CBS, unless Ortiz really signs with them & they use him for a draw, without Kimbo they don't have enough oomph to keep the deal alive IMO.

The only guy they really promoted during commercials was Edor. Kimbo was just a side show really waiting to be exposed at some point. I'm not sure how fitting it was happening like this. They have some other guys to promote up, but are they willing to actually do that? Too bad one of the most marketable fighters they have is Gina since women fighters are a tough sell and the depth of talent just isn't there to promote up.

Lost in all of this is that Shamrock has to be pissed that he won't get the chance to be the guy to expose him.

[Deattribution]

Tito isn't going to be saving the company (or Affliction) anytime soon since he's having back surgery that will put him out for 6+ months.

[Deattribution]

If EliteXC had been smart, they would of let Kimbo get exposed by someone they could market (maybe Brett Rogers), and that would at least of given them someone to push moving forward. They were planning on riding this Kimbo train for as long as they could though, which was a terrible business plan.

[TLK]

I'm guessing this fight did good numbers. It might be enough to get another contract out of CBS.

[Rich1033]

Nothing against Kimbo, but its nice to see the hype finally hit a bit of a wall. He would do well against fighters with similiar experience as him, but he doesnt have much of a shot against decent fighters. That said, he will still beat Shamrock. Thats just how bad Ken is nowadays.

I believe EliteXC will last just past this coming PPV they want to put on. Thats probably where the Slice/Shamrock match will take place as well as the next Carano match.

[Rich1033]

Originally Posted by Matthean

The only guy they really promoted during commercials was Edor.

Im guessing you are talking about Fedor, and he doesnt even fight for EliteXC(and never will). Those commercials were just part of the cross promotion between Affliction and EliteXC since Affliction gave them the Arlovski/Nelson fight.

I do have to say this. I give credit to EliteXC for actually putting on a really solid card. I could care less about Kimbo, but I was really looking forward to seeing every other fight on the card. It was full of some very good fighters. You cant beat seeing Arlovski, Carano, Ninja Rua, Radach and Shields all fight for free.

[Flasch186]

Welp, if that editorial is correct Elite XC will most DEF be a Showtime owned promotion because there is no way that theyll be able to get another loan in this credit cycle. HOWEVER that doesnt mean it wont have shows and continue on under their flag jon.

[DrAFTjunkie]

Kimbo needs to go back to fighting helpless fat guys. What a hack. I'm not even sure what happened. Kimbo didn't shoot, he was throwing a right and just stiffened up and fell over mid-punch. It sort of looks like Petruzelli caught him with a little bit knee and a little bit of right hand at the exact same time. Watch the fight again, but just watch Kimbo. He didn't shoot, he didn't slip, he just fell

YouTube - Kimbo Slice Vs Seth Petruzelli EliteXC

It doesn't add up though because Kimbo is an absolute rock head. Unless the knee hit harder than it appeared to, or the right hit him directly in the temple, I'm at a loss.

[DaddyTorgo]

idk - my thinking was that that was sorta kimbo's attempt at a shoot or at spearing seth against the cage? it sure was awkward as hell though

[Eaglesfan27]

I just watched the fight and it looked to me like it was a combination of an awkward attempt to shoot and him getting caught off guard by the knee/hand combo. The other fights were all entertaining.

[Karlifornia]

God damnit, Kimbo. You could have been a huge star....if only you were any good.

Damn. You suck, Kimbo...back to being a bouncer or whatever. That is what washed up MMA guys do for work, right?

[EagleFan]

He should have lost his last fight but hey did everything they could to make sure he wins. Then the late change in this one made me think theywere afraid he would get destroyed by Shamrock and replaced him with someone they thought would be a push over for Kimbo. Boy did that backfire.

UFC FTW

[Oilers9911]

If Gina Carano had lost too the Elite XC execs would have been found hanging in their hotel rooms. As it is they are probably on a ledge somewhere.

[Calis]

I would not be the least surprised to see Gina lose to Cyborg if they schedule that fight next. That's an actual pretty interesting fight that Elite XC could setup, but man it needs to be 5 minute rounds. This 3 minute deal for the women just doesn't make sense.

We all knew this was going to happen to Kimbo, but I wouldn't have bet on it happening quite that way.

I missed something though, because I didn't even realize Arlovski was fighting on this card and I guess it was a late addition. Is he not going to fight Barnett at the next Affliction show? I was really looking forward to that one, but I'm hoping if it is off they just let Barnett face-off against Fedor next. That's still the match-up I want to see most for Fedor. I think it's a better one than versus Randy or anyone else.

Overall I thought it was a pretty good show for EliteXC. There were the two fights with lots of hugging against the cage but other than that it was an entertaining show, and even those fights were still good.

[Flasch186]

Wow, you have to understand who their target audience is. It isn't us. Theyre trying to get the 'mainstream' boxing fans to switch. So a guy on a days notice, David, beats goliath and to top it off the David is a good looking kid with Pink in his hair and he leaves film on the table of him throwing his mouthpiece in the air and running around the ring in a circle. Then you have a hot chick beating up her foe and looking great in the audience an hour later. You have names like Ortiz and Shamrock thrown around and you have CBS getting what I will bet to be above average ratings.

Honestly, I think I could put together some promos and a card in 2 months that will definitely get airtime on CBS again. The stories are compelling.

[Rich1033]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

He should have lost his last fight but hey did everything they could to make sure he wins. Then the late change in this one made me think theywere afraid he would get destroyed by Shamrock and replaced him with someone they thought would be a push over for Kimbo. Boy did that backfire.

lol, nope, I dont think anyone in EliteXC was afraid Shamrock would do anything to Kimbo. Them being forced to just find someone at the last minute was the last thing they wanted.

Originally Posted by Calis

I missed something though, because I didn't even realize Arlovski was fighting on this card and I guess it was a late addition. Is he not going to fight Barnett at the next Affliction show? I was really looking forward to that one, but I'm hoping if it is off they just let Barnett face-off against Fedor next. That's still the match-up I want to see most for Fedor. I think it's a better one than versus Randy or anyone else.

The next Affliction show with Arlovski/Barnett was canceled(or postponed? not sure how they worded it, but ticket sales were horrible). They came to an agreement about 2 weeks ago with XC to give them Arlovski/Nelson in exchange for the promotion and Im sure something else. That was the 3rd fight on last nights card.

The next Affliction show will be in January I believe. Fedor will return and fight, although Im not sure if they have announced who. I cant see how it would not be Barnett tho.

[Oilers9911]

I'm afraid poor Miss Carano won't be looking so pretty in the audience after she fights Cyborg. She was eating some shots against the girl tonight and if she eats shots from Cyborg like that she will get messed up bad.

[Deattribution]

Originally Posted by Rich1033

The next Affliction show will be in January I believe. Fedor will return and fight, although Im not sure if they have announced who. I cant see how it would not be Barnett tho.

Barnett already said he doesn't want the Fedor fight in Jan, so the only fight that leaves is Arlovski vs Fedor, and that will be over very quickly with a sub by Fedor.

Odds are though that the next Affliction show doesn't happen, or is the last show they have.

Wow, you have to understand who their target audience is. It isn't us. Theyre trying to get the 'mainstream' boxing fans to switch. So a guy on a days notice, David, beats goliath and to top it off the David is a good looking kid with Pink in his hair and he leaves film on the table of him throwing his mouthpiece in the air and running around the ring in a circle. Then you have a hot chick beating up her foe and looking great in the audience an hour later. You have names like Ortiz and Shamrock thrown around and you have CBS getting what I will bet to be above average ratings.

Honestly, I think I could put together some promos and a card in 2 months that will definitely get airtime on CBS again. The stories are compelling.

If the audience isn't 'us' then the mainstream boxing fans don't even know who any of those people even are, and all they see is a old wrinkly Shamrock, another one with so much metal in his mouth he couldn't fight a chicken and a smug looking gorilla with blonde hair who hasn't won a decisive fight that didn't involve Ken Shamrock since 2001.

[dervack]

Originally Posted by Rich1033

Im guessing you are talking about Fedor, and he doesnt even fight for EliteXC(and never will).

No, he meant Edor. Edor will return. I'm not sure Edor is, but the comercials said he would return. I hope he's ok.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Deattribution

If the audience isn't 'us' then the mainstream boxing fans don't even know who any of those people even are, and all they see is a old wrinkly Shamrock, another one with so much metal in his mouth he couldn't fight a chicken and a smug looking gorilla with blonde hair who hasn't won a decisive fight that didn't involve Ken Shamrock since 2001.

The audience isn't "mainstream boxing fans" either, why on earth would they go after a target that small? I doubt two percent of the population could name five active boxers today, hell I'm not sure I could name more than five myself without prompting.

The target audience is anyone who's home on Saturday night's watching network TV. And that means an older cross section of America. Which means they've got to come up with a compelling story of some sort to have a hope in hell of getting people to watch.

Kimbo was a monster, a brute, an animal, meant to be an unstoppable force. That's something Joe & Sue Sixpack can follow, so can Fred & Ethel Metamucil ... But so much for that idea. Carano has a character of sorts, a "how can a girl do that" thing going. From what I gather there's potential for this Cyborg chick to be built into a character as well.

But Shamrock? At most they can get one more loss out of him, a guy more recognizable as a former WWE performer who I'm not sure could beat five well chosen FOFC'ers at this point. He's 3-8 this DECADE for God's sake and hasn't won a fight in more than four YEARS. He's more likely to die in the ring than he is to beat anything more viable than a tomato can. Ortiz? IMO, too reminiscent of boxers people already don't give a rat's ass about (i.e. more annoying than interesting) but they might be able to get one useful appearance out of him. And last night's surprise winner? I'd say they'll have a hell of a time playing the Rocky card to middle America with a guy with pink streaks in his hair.

[Deattribution]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

'd say they'll have a hell of a time playing the Rocky card to middle America with a guy with pink streaks in his hair.

To be fair here, I think he had pink streaks in his hair for National Breast Cancer Awareness month which I know he didn't mention, but I think he was so blown away by the moment considering he wasn't even going to be on TV initially.