Official 2011 College Football Bowl Season thread

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

That isn't what the scoreboard said.

Seriously?

October 1st: Clemson 23, VT 3
December 3rd: Clemson 38, VT 10

I mean, it wasn't even close by the scoreboard.

One of the reasons the BCS is stupid is using Bowls to judge teams is very flawed. These teams have had WEEKS off with no football, so rust, injuries, and other factors settle in. There are always very weird results in bowl games.

However, the scoreboard is clear when comparing Clemson and VT directly.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by gstelmack

Seriously?

October 1st: Clemson 23, VT 3
December 3rd: Clemson 38, VT 10

I mean, it wasn't even close by the scoreboard.

One of the reasons the BCS is stupid is using Bowls to judge teams is very flawed. These teams have had WEEKS off with no football, so rust, injuries, and other factors settle in. There are always very weird results in bowl games.

However, the scoreboard is clear when comparing Clemson and VT directly.

Apologies. I was confusing VT and WVU. Didn't read the post carefully enough.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Matthean

It wasn't a fake. The kicker missteps and has no chance at a kick so the holder picks it up and runs with it.

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

No way it was a fake IMO. I think the holder freaked out since the kicker started his run-up before the ball was snapped (which he did a little on the winning kick, too).

As it turns out that play was, indeed, a fake field goal. It sounds like it was called at the line of scrimmage, but only have of the players heard the call. One of the key guys on the play, Koger, who should been looking for the pass didn't hear the call.

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

Apologies. I was confusing VT and WVU. Didn't read the post carefully enough.

Well yeah, Clemson is clearly worlds behind WVU

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by gstelmack

Well yeah, Clemson is clearly worlds behind WVU

See, that's what I was saying, and what I thought CU Tiger was trying to river-in-Egypt his way out of.

[bronconick]

Trent Richardson on all the offense in the other BCS games

“I don’t want to be in a track meet, scoring time after time. That can get boring.”

You know what else is boring, Trent?

FIELD GOALS AND PUNTS.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

So long Mr. Steele. You spent too long in the NFL...show Kevin an NFL offense and he shuts it down (See: Tech, Virginia) show him a gimmick or high shcool offense and he doesnt eat for 2.5 days and then shits his pants on the sidelines....true story happend tonight.

You know what's funny is that before the game I saw a bunch of twitter scuttlebutt that Steele was going to be pried away from Clemson by Tennessee. Was there any truth to that at all? Because if so, I assume there's not anymore.

The ACC sucks balls. I would almost be happy with perpetual 7-5 seasons for FSU playing in the SEC, just because I think it would elevate our quality of play, even if we lost a few more games. It's getting to the point where it's so bad, I think voters would think twice about putting an undefeated ACC team in the championship game over a1-loss Boise State.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by bronconick

Trent Richardson on all the offense in the other BCS games

You know what else is boring, Trent?

FIELD GOALS AND PUNTS.

+1

[digamma]

Mizzou should probably get used to a lot of punts and an occasional field goal.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by digamma

Mizzou should probably get used to a lot of punts and an occasional field goal.

There's plenty of offense to go around in the SEC. Mizzou's run-first offense should fare just fine.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Who would have thought that the Big East representative to a BCS bowl would be the one putting 70 points up on its opponent! Of course, they are leaving the conference, but details, details.

Big East has a winning record in the bowl games 6 years straight.

[Ksyrup]

So many people cite those kinds of stats. I'd like to see a breakdown of opponent record/ranking/conferences for those conference records to mean much of anything in context.

I mean, if your conference sucks enough to send 1 team to the BCS and several more to lower-level bowl games against MAC/CUSA or 7th place AQ conference teams, then you might end up with a better record. I'm not talking about the Big East specificially, but any of these conference bowl records in general.

[digamma]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

There's plenty of offense to go around in the SEC. Mizzou's run-first offense should fare just fine.

It will be interesting to see. Missouri played one top 30 defense this season (Texas ranked 12th in total defense). Their first four SEC games next season will be against the #1, #3, #4 and #19 ranked defenses nationally. Add in later games vs. Tennessee and Florida and they'll play six games against top 30 defenses.

On the other end of things Missouri played 6 teams with defenses ranked in the bottom 30. They get one of those again next year (Arizona State), but other than that, no team with a defense ranked higher than 59 (which is Texas A&M).

Obviously teams change from year to year, but your boys will need to buckle their chin straps.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

So many people cite those kinds of stats. I'd like to see a breakdown of opponent record/ranking/conferences for those conference records to mean much of anything in context.

I mean, if your conference sucks enough to send 1 team to the BCS and several more to lower-level bowl games against MAC/CUSA or 7th place AQ conference teams, then you might end up with a better record. I'm not talking about the Big East specificially, but any of these conference bowl records in general.

I'm a Big East guy but this would have been along the lines of how I would have responded. It's not necessarily about "sucking enough" to only have one BCS team but just about the bowl tie-ins in general. The Big East #2 slot can be taken by Notre Dame some years despite having a worse record, which bumps everyone down. I think back to 5 years ago when Rutgers finished #12 in the country at 11-2 and was a triple OT loss away from a BCS game only to be sent to play 7-6 Kansas State in the inaugural Texas Bowl.

One thing cannot be argued though...the ACC's BCS record is atrocious.

[Ksyrup]

That is true. Don't even have to look at the bowl record - they suck against other conferences in the regular season too. Even the non-AQ conferences and hell, FCS! Pretty damn sad.

[Noop]

Clemson...

Yeah, ACC is an epic fail in bowl season outside of Florida State and one other who escapes me right now.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by Matthean

Big East has a winning record in the bowl games 6 years straight.

I know that, but that is because the Big East has very good depth. Their #6 team is usually a very solid football team. Also the bowl tie ins aren't all that great. The issue is that the top level isn't as good as the top level in the other AQ conferences (with the exception of the ACC in many years).

I am speaking as a BE fan, who really wanted to see Rutgers rather than WVU in the Orange Bowl, but I guess I'm sated seing WVU put up 70, even if they are leaving.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Noop

Yeah, ACC is an epic fail in bowl season outside of Florida State and one other who escapes me right now.

NC State beat Louisville

[Matthean]

This Clemson performance in the Orange Bowl is the ugliest loss in South Carolina history...until Rick Perry gets there in two weeks.
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Holly Rowe plays better defense than Clemson
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Clemson has allowed more touchdowns in this game than Alabama's defense has all year.
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[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

You know what's funny is that before the game I saw a bunch of twitter scuttlebutt that Steele was going to be pried away from Clemson by Tennessee. Was there any truth to that at all? Because if so, I assume there's not anymore.

Not so fast my friend, you're giving Coach Doofus waaaaay too much credit.

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Based on conversations today, it appears Clemson DC Kevin Steele remains a viable candidate for Vols after Orange Bowl blowout.

[bronconick]

Originally Posted by Matthean

If LSU beats 'Bama, Miles gets a $5.88 million dollar raise thanks to Saban.
LSU Title Win Means At Least A $5.8 Million Salary Raise For Coach Les Miles - US Business News Blogs - CNBC

The Fark headline was something along the lines of "To put last night into perspective, the last time a group of South Carolinians were beaten this badly, it ended slavery."

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Not sure if anyone posted about it but has anyone seen the clip of Holly Rowe shoving that other reporter out of the way after the game? Funny stuff.

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Yep. Hilarious. She acted with the desperation of someone with her job on the line.

Dan Patrick talked about this on his show yesterday. I guess per ESPNs contract with the BCS, it guarantees them first crack at a coach at halftime, and first crack at the winning coach at the end of the game. So in order for her to get in to talk to the coach (like she and ESPN) was promised first shot at, she had to shove the other reporter out of the way.

[Crapshoot]

Originally Posted by bronconick

The Fark headline was something along the lines of "To put last night into perspective, the last time a group of South Carolinians were beaten this badly, it ended slavery."

That's awesome.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Noop

Clemson...

Yeah, ACC is an epic fail in bowl season outside of Florida State and one other who escapes me right now.

You know what's sad? I looked back at our recent bowl history and don't remember the Wisconsin game at ALL. I mean, not just that I didn't remember the score, but I was surprised to see we played them and what the score was. I don't know where I was that year, but I bet I missed the game because I have no recollection of it whatsoever. Which sucks, because we apparently kicked their ass!

[Easy Mac]

Points, counterpoints for BCS bowl season - Pac-12 Blog - ESPN

This has a list of conference records in the BCS.

I find it interesting that this was the first time the ACC had 2 teams in BCS bowls.

The Big East is now the only AQ without a season having 2 teams in BCS bowls.

Taking away the LSU/Bama split this year, the SEC is 15-6, which is as good as anyone outside of the Mountain West.

The Big Ten has had 2 teams in BCS bows for 11 of the 14 BCS seasons. They are benefiting greatly from the Rose Bowl tie in.

The Mountain West has won more BCS bowls than the ACC

[bronconick]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

You know what's sad? I looked back at our recent bowl history and don't remember the Wisconsin game at ALL. I mean, not just that I didn't remember the score, but I was surprised to see we played them and what the score was. I don't know where I was that year, but I bet I missed the game because I have no recollection of it whatsoever. Which sucks, because we apparently kicked their ass!

The punter was the MVP. Oddly forgettable.

[Ksyrup]

This just in: Dwayne Allen is either a full-blown idiot, or extremely inarticulate:

"Being at Clemson, I have more money & resources than I've had my whole life."

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[Ksyrup]

Certainly not going to help perceptions about Clemson.

[digamma]

It's Probation Time Again, Y'all!

(For those who don't get the joke, the Clemson athletic association has the acronym IPTAY, for something like "I pay ten a year." The It's Probation Time...is my favorite take off on the slogan, but "I Pay Ten Athletes Yearly" also works.)

[CU Tiger]

think this board is full of folks smart enough to get it, unlike some others, but to be clear.
Allen grew up in a 4 room house (not 4 bedroom, 4 rooms) shared by two families. At Clemson he has things like TV, Air Conditioning, etc. And Yes athlets at every school get housing allowances and book stipends as part of their scholarship packet. Allen who is known for eating every meal at the school cafeteria actually manages to send money home to his mom.

He is leaving early for the NFL, and told me about a month ago, "family gets a new house the day I get my signing bonus. I will uy myself a house if I am good enough to sty 3 years in the league. Until then I will rent an apartment. He is a good, good kid. He came to Clemson an absolute thug and selfish piece of shit, and he would tell you the same thing. He was absolutely heart broken by the game and the comment is a bit out of context. But if you stop and think about it, he just spent a week at the Westin in Ft. Lauderdale...that's equivalent of rich to the world he came from.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by digamma

It's Probation Time Again, Y'all!

(For those who don't get the joke, the Clemson athletic association has the acronym IPTAY, for something like "I pay ten a year." The It's Probation Time...is my favorite take off on the slogan, but "I Pay Ten Athletes Yearly" also works.)

Thats the NCAA First athletic fund raising organization...founded in '34.
Wanna join?
I know someone who can sign you up.

No Probation.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

think this board is full of folks smart enough to get it, unlike some others, but to be clear.

So I should be heartened that I was virtually certain it was something along these lines the minute I heard the quote?

I'd wager the same quality of life improvement occurs for at least 25% of athletes who come from the Southeast (I omit the others simply because I'm not familiar enough with the backgrounds associated with some of the pipeline schools in other regions).

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

think this board is full of folks smart enough to get it, unlike some others, but to be clear.
Allen grew up in a 4 room house (not 4 bedroom, 4 rooms) shared by two families. At Clemson he has things like TV, Air Conditioning, etc. And Yes athlets at every school get housing allowances and book stipends as part of their scholarship packet. Allen who is known for eating every meal at the school cafeteria actually manages to send money home to his mom.

He is leaving early for the NFL, and told me about a month ago, "family gets a new house the day I get my signing bonus. I will uy myself a house if I am good enough to sty 3 years in the league. Until then I will rent an apartment. He is a good, good kid. He came to Clemson an absolute thug and selfish piece of shit, and he would tell you the same thing. He was absolutely heart broken by the game and the comment is a bit out of context. But if you stop and think about it, he just spent a week at the Westin in Ft. Lauderdale...that's equivalent of rich to the world he came from.

To expand a bit, athletes at schools can get roughly $15k per year that's perfectly legal from Pell Grants (a full pell grant is $5,500), Room and board money, and a clothing fund. Most of it is from the housing fund so it's not really spending money, but just the pell grant money is going to seem like a fortune to someone that grew up legitimately poor.

[digamma]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

Thats the NCAA First athletic fund raising organization...founded in '34.
Wanna join?
I know someone who can sign you up.

No Probation.

Yeah, I typed too fast, I meant to put in alumni association.

I'll pass on the membership offer for this year!

[Ksyrup]

Klein just got taken out on a scramble that would have been an easy 1st down in the Big 12. SEC speed!

[k0ruptr]

June Jones is a hell of a coach.

[Crapshoot]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

think this board is full of folks smart enough to get it, unlike some others, but to be clear.
Allen grew up in a 4 room house (not 4 bedroom, 4 rooms) shared by two families. At Clemson he has things like TV, Air Conditioning, etc. And Yes athlets at every school get housing allowances and book stipends as part of their scholarship packet. Allen who is known for eating every meal at the school cafeteria actually manages to send money home to his mom.

He is leaving early for the NFL, and told me about a month ago, "family gets a new house the day I get my signing bonus. I will uy myself a house if I am good enough to sty 3 years in the league. Until then I will rent an apartment. He is a good, good kid. He came to Clemson an absolute thug and selfish piece of shit, and he would tell you the same thing. He was absolutely heart broken by the game and the comment is a bit out of context. But if you stop and think about it, he just spent a week at the Westin in Ft. Lauderdale...that's equivalent of rich to the world he came from.

Just curious CU - what's your relationship with all these guys? I've seen a couple of posts from you in this vein..

[Matthean]

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[molson]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

no neither team is any good, but Clemson is better than VT.

Syracuse must be better than all three then, since they blew out West Virginia by 26.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by molson

Syracuse must be better than all three then, since they blew out West Virginia by 26.

I think your TE is still wide open in the secondary...

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Just curious CU - what's your relationship with all these guys? I've seen a couple of posts from you in this vein..

Well, I am very close to the program I played there and I am very close friends with 2 coaches. On top of that, a vey good friend of mine runs their rivals.com site. Since I was not working this year, and with my existing relationship, he asked and I agreed to help do some quasi-reporting this year. I went to weekly press conferences and media events and that grants some access to players etc.

I typically spend 2-3 days in Clemson around the athletic compound for one reason or another a week.

Still being relatively young i guess I am more approachable than some to them, and my background gives me some credibility in their eyes. As such I have developed several friendships amongst current players.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

think this board is full of folks smart enough to get it, unlike some others, but to be clear.
Allen grew up in a 4 room house (not 4 bedroom, 4 rooms) shared by two families. At Clemson he has things like TV, Air Conditioning, etc. And Yes athlets at every school get housing allowances and book stipends as part of their scholarship packet. Allen who is known for eating every meal at the school cafeteria actually manages to send money home to his mom.

He is leaving early for the NFL, and told me about a month ago, "family gets a new house the day I get my signing bonus. I will uy myself a house if I am good enough to sty 3 years in the league. Until then I will rent an apartment. He is a good, good kid. He came to Clemson an absolute thug and selfish piece of shit, and he would tell you the same thing. He was absolutely heart broken by the game and the comment is a bit out of context. But if you stop and think about it, he just spent a week at the Westin in Ft. Lauderdale...that's equivalent of rich to the world he came from.

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

So I should be heartened that I was virtually certain it was something along these lines the minute I heard the quote?

I'd wager the same quality of life improvement occurs for at least 25% of athletes who come from the Southeast (I omit the others simply because I'm not familiar enough with the backgrounds associated with some of the pipeline schools in other regions).

Dammit, CU, why you gonna make me have to stick up for Clemson TWICE IN THE SAME SEASON???!!!

But yeah, I'm with Jon. Seems like an absolute no-brainer there.

[cartman]

I know Brent Musburger has been doing this a long time, but why is EVERY FRIGGIN' STATEMENT HE MAKES SO GAWDDANG DRAMATIC!!??

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by cartman

I know Brent Musburger has been doing this a long time, but why is EVERY FRIGGIN' STATEMENT HE MAKES SO GAWDDANG DRAMATIC!!??

This is exactly why I've never been a big fan of Musburger.

[EagleFan]

Another 9-6 game? It's going to take the first half just to shake the rust off the offenses.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

This is exactly why I've never been a big fan of Musburger.

+infinity.

[cartman]

He just gave a perfect example. 9 minutes left in the first quarter, and the punt "is a key moment in the game". Like nails on a blackboard.

[EagleFan]

Compare punters? Seriously? The 59 yard punt was with plenty of room to hit a 59 yard punt, the 33 yard punt was trying to pin the other team inside the 20. Apples to Oranges Brent...

[EagleFan]

That didn't look like a good sign for that kid.

[cartman]

That had to have been a cramp. If it was his hammy, he would have gone down like he'd been shot.