Small game - Return of Werewolf Xtreme (Game over! Result in Post 401)

[mysfit]

Well,

Shoveler is the default lynch as the vote now stands

for whatever that's worth

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by mysfit

Well,

Shoveler is the default lynch as the vote now stands

for whatever that's worth

Yeah, another reason I voted right away, just in case there ended up being a tie.

[mysfit]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

This morning I had Grover in as my scan, but switched to Autumn. However I'm thinking it likely now that the other wolf is someone currently voting for Autumn.

Assuming that, which I am not convinced btw, I'd say cheekimonk

He and timmae moved fairly quickly off me

[The Jackal]

There's certainly the chance that the wolves believed strongly that I was the seer early on today and expected I might have scanned Shoveler, and setup say Grover to vote him so that he'd draw less attention if I did reveal. Has to be considered, but it's the more unlikely scenario.

[cheekimonk]

Not gonna happen, Jackal, and I'm not sure why you pull that right now. I'm the seer and Shoveler was my N0 clear (could be sorcerer, but absolutely no wolf). timmae was my N1 scan and clear as well. Going after Shoveler was a bad choice.

unvote Autumn
vote Jackal

[The Jackal]

Let me lay out the only plausible situation where I'm lying, that I can think of, before the wolves come around to it:

It'd be if I was the sorceror and scanned shoveler as the seer. But that play only really makes sense if Shoveler didn't have any heat. Heck, he might have been lynched anyways today even if I hadn't revealed. Hopefully you guys can see that it doesn't make sense, either.

[timmae]

unvote autumn
vote shoveler

I don't mind the reveal. I was surprised we didn't have it sooner with the wolf hit but I understand the delay. Jackal would have been on my NK shortlist if I was a wolf. I guess Jackal will be singing "I'm dying tomorrow".

[The Jackal]

hah, well, cheeki is either the other wolf or the sorceror. I'd guess the sorceror

[The Jackal]

thanks for clearing that up, cheek

[timmae]

hot damn... now we have action.

unvote shoveler

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by cheekimonk

I'm not sure why you pull that right now

Because there's no plausible situation in which your reveal makes sense after mine unless you are the sorceror. Why would I do that with no pressure on me? If I was the sorceror, the only explanation would be that I was trying to get the seer lynched, but in your scenario, you are the seer. Nice try.

[timmae]

I need to commute home and my wife has a physical therapy apt for her surgery tomorrow so I won't be home until shortly before lynch. I'll try to log on while she is at PT but I am not sure. You lying bastages!!

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by timmae

hot damn... now we have action.

unvote shoveler

I respect wanting to think things out, but if Shoveler doesn't get lynched tonight I'm going to be super disappointed.

[timmae]

Hints fellas? Post numbers please..

[Shoveler]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

I respect wanting to think things out, but if Shoveler doesn't get lynched tonight I'm going to be super disappointed.

I'm going to be super disappointed if I get lynched. I am not a wolf, so you cannot be the seer.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by timmae

Hints fellas? Post numbers please..

I mentioned the seer a few times, trying to sound villagery, since I didn't want to be a N1 target. CR saved me from that, anyhow.

Post 122 is where I say that if it's between Brit and CR, I'm going CR. But that doesn't really do anything for me, since I'm the only one that knows he was actually not a wolf.

[The Jackal]

And I mean, my vote right after the night results were run should be pretty telling, as well.

[cheekimonk]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

hah, well, cheeki is either the other wolf or the sorceror. I'd guess the sorceror

Assuming we believe you. Your bad luck I rolled Shoveler for my N0 clear. With Shoveler clear I can only guess you're protecting Autumn. If we buy your claim on Shoveler, it's game over for the village tonight with a mislynch AND Jackal being either wolf or sorcerer.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by cheekimonk

Assuming we believe you. Your bad luck I rolled Shoveler for my N0 clear. With Shoveler clear I can only guess you're protecting Autumn. If we buy your claim on Shoveler, it's game over for the village tonight with a mislynch AND Jackal being either wolf or sorcerer.

So you are positing that I'm a wolf partner of Autumn, and decided to put my neck on the line to save him? Again, not plausible.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by cheekimonk

Autumn or Shoveler...I could go either way with the info so far (which is almost zilch this game).

Why would you say something like this if you knew Shoveler was good?

[The Jackal]

All implausible. Thank you for outing yourself. Let's lynch Shoveler and move on.

[Shoveler]

Its more likely that you are the sorcerer and realize we are narrowing down the good reads. Therefore you want to promote a mislynch and win with evil tomorrow.

[cheekimonk]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

So you are positing that I'm a wolf partner of Autumn, and decided to put my neck on the line to save him? Again, not plausible.

Well, just as votes start moving to Autumn you spring a false claim on Shoveler. But you're right, what do we know 100% about Autumn? I wasn't going to reveal so early and I was swinging votes off Shoveler best I could. I would rather we go with the surefire baddie which is you.

Shoveler is NOT wolf, folks. You lynch him we lose. Jackal is definitely scum and you need to get on him now because I won't have a chance tomorrow.

[cheekimonk]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

Why would you say something like this if you knew Shoveler was good?

Explained above. I wasn't going to reveal at this point and was moving the momentum to Autumn. You made it an all or nothing scenario. I'd rather see a move to you now, but everyone needs to absolutely move off Shoveler.

[mysfit]

Originally Posted by cheekimonk

Autumn or Shoveler...I could go either way with the info so far (which is almost zilch this game).

Yeah

not really feeling it that you actually cleared Shoveler here

If you are the seer and you had that info you SHOULD have started trying to steer the group here

Now maybe the wolves are Jackal and Autumn

But I don't think so. You moved off voting for me way too easily. Then you HAPPEN to be able to EXACTLY counter Jackal's claim AFTER you posted something which in essence was contradictory to your claim of Shoveler being cleared?

Your evidence for voting on me was thin at best. Even less evidence to move off me.

Maybe Jackal is lying, but I really don't believe you at this point, too many inconsistencies and bad vibes

[mysfit]

Originally Posted by cheekimonk

Well, just as votes start moving to Autumn you spring a false claim on Shoveler. But you're right, what do we know 100% about Autumn? I wasn't going to reveal so early and I was swinging votes off Shoveler best I could. I would rather we go with the surefire baddie which is you.

Shoveler is NOT wolf, folks. You lynch him we lose. Jackal is definitely scum and you need to get on him now because I won't have a chance tomorrow.

The vote was tied and Shoveler was up for the lynch. In fact Shoveler was trying to clear himself and Autumn.

[cheekimonk]

Unfortunately, votes were staying on Shoveler so I had to get them off him without revealing myself. But you'll notice I said "info" in my post. I was hoping some could see that AND that I went Autumn. It wasn't ideal and I had other cards to play tonight if needed. Thanks to Jackal, they aren't.

[Autumn]

Knowing that I'm good and was a strong lynch possibility, no way a wolf Jackal fakes a claim there instead of just pushing the vote to me. So i am absolutely sure Jackal's hte real deal. cheeki pushing shoveler just before clearing him doesn't ring true.

vote shoveler

[Autumn]

rather

unvote
vote shoveler

[mysfit]

Originally Posted by cheekimonk

Unfortunately, votes were staying on Shoveler so I had to get them off him without revealing myself. But you'll notice I said "info" in my post. I was hoping some could see that AND that I went Autumn. It wasn't ideal and I had other cards to play tonight if needed. Thanks to Jackal, they aren't.

I did notice that

However you have done NOTHING to inspire confidence in me towards you

Why did you wait for my moves before trying to get people off Shoveler?

You make no sense.

[mysfit]

Jackal and Autumn

or

Shoveler and Cheekimonk

[Shoveler]

Well I cant guarantee that I will be available here once my wife gets home. Same deal as last night unfortunately. But I think I've said what I need to.

Jackal is most likely the sorcerer, lynching me drops the total to 5 players with 3 evils. I assume he has revealed himself now to prevent getting accidently night killed by the wolves.

What better way to signal you are the sorcerer are than to call out a wolf that isn't a wolf.

Do what you must.. This game is difficult without the reveal, so you'll have to do what your instincts feel is best.

But you should either lynch me, or lynch jackal.. the voting should give you a roadmap going forward if this doesn't end the game tonight.

[mysfit]

Originally Posted by Shoveler

Well I cant guarantee that I will be available here once my wife gets home. Same deal as last night unfortunately. But I think I've said what I need to.

Jackal is most likely the sorcerer, lynching me drops the total to 5 players with 3 evils. I assume he has revealed himself now to prevent getting accidently night killed by the wolves.

What better way to signal you are the sorcerer are than to call out a wolf that isn't a wolf.

Do what you must.. This game is difficult without the reveal, so you'll have to do what your instincts feel is best.

But you should either lynch me, or lynch jackal.. the voting should give you a roadmap going forward if this doesn't end the game tonight.

I'm sorry for the difficulties you and your wife are having

[JAG]

Day 2 votes as of post 383

Shoveler 3 - The Jackal (224), Grover (258), Autumn (379)
Jackal 2 - Shoveler (342), cheekimonk (355)
Autumn 1 - mysfit (316)

[mysfit]

unvote Autumn

[Grover]

Looking at all of the evidence before us, I think it is likely that the wolf team is Shoveler-Cheeki.

[cheekimonk]

Originally Posted by mysfit

I did notice that

However you have done NOTHING to inspire confidence in me towards you

Why did you wait for my moves before trying to get people off Shoveler?

You make no sense.

With so few players in this game, the margin of error for swinging votes is small. Your actions are magnified and I have no way of predicting you at all. But things were getting uncomfortable for me around Shoveler knowing he's village.

[mysfit]

VOTE SHOVELER

[mysfit]

It wouldn't be the first time I've been fooled if I am wrong but I just can't trust cheeki at this point.

I'm a little suspicious of the timing of Jackal's reveal but...

[cheekimonk]

Just not enough people to swing here. The game will be over tonight, anyway.

[timmae]

vote jackal

[Grover]

Originally Posted by cheekimonk

Just not enough people to swing here. The game will be over tonight, anyway.

Convince me, cheek.

[Autumn]

I was going to wait to clear things up so the game wouldn't get boring but I don't want to risk a mislynch.

I am The Priest. The real priest. If you look back at my first post after game started it startd with the word "God" as a hint.

Because of this I know that Chief was a bad guy, and clearly he was the Sorceror since the wolves took him out for us. I also checked Brit when he was lynched and he was a vanilla villager, so Jackal's story holds up.

Since I know at least two of the people up for lynch when jackal revealed were villagers, I know ther'es no reason a wolf would make that fake claim. Jackal's clearly our real seer, and so Shoveler and Cheeki are the bad guys. Case closed, sorry guys.

[timmae]

unvote jackal
Vote shoveler

[The Jackal]

Well I did not see that coming, awesome.

[JAG]

Day 2 votes as of post 394:

Shoveler 5 - The Jackal (224), Grover (258), Autumn (379), mysfit (387), timmae (393)
Jackal 2 - Shoveler (342), cheekimonk (355)

[Shoveler]

You can quote me on this, you are going to be very disappointed when you lynch me.

[JAG]

Deadline

[JAG]

Final Day 2 vote:

Shoveler 5 - The Jackal (224), Grover (258), Autumn (379), mysfit (387), timmae (393)
Jackal 2 - Shoveler (342), cheekimonk (355)

[JAG]

You lynch Shoveler.