Werewolf LVI - Upstairs, Downstairs - GAME OVER, Guests WIN!

[path12]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

It appears it is just a vote adder and shouldn't be taken as anything more than that....is that what I'm understanding?

That's how I'm understanding it. Which in my mind means that the motive of the person presenting it is as important as the person they are targeting with it.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Let me just say I disapprove of anyone playing any games which might prevent them from playing here . And that it's probably worth having a seperate thread if people want to continue a discussion along these lines rather than clogging up this game thread.

~BK, YFWWM

Aren't you dead?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by ArlingtonColt

I don't understand how I could have any doubt on who I said I am. Eaglefan proves it with his death (only he would know my role...) I was gonna attack with my shiny new weapon tonight, but looks like i may have to guard myself just in case.

If you decide to use your weapon might I suggest it be on someone who isn't an unchallenged guest.

(this is precicly why PurdueBrad needs to come forward)

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

well if I would have known the true result of evidence I would have told you to hold yours.


I thought it really was evidence that pointed the true guilt of someone not just an item that adds 2 votes to someone.

Please someone correct me if I'm wrong in this thinking, but that is what I have taken away from w/ Perg.'s explination.

It appears it is just a vote adder and shouldn't be taken as anything more than that....is that what I'm understanding?

es, it holds no other value or meaning in the game, its like a DRAW TWO in UNO....

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by path12

That's how I'm understanding it. Which in my mind means that the motive of the person presenting it is as important as the person they are targeting with it.

DING DING DING

Now my question is why, in what was already a runaway vote, did both alan and DT decide to pile on 4 more? HMMM?

[path12]

Originally Posted by Lathum

If you decide to use your weapon might I suggest it be on someone who isn't an unchallenged guest.

(this is precicly why PurdueBrad needs to come forward)

Again, why? The more Brad clarifies whatever it is he has to clarify, the better idea the up and down teams get about who they need to target.

If there is some flaw in my logic, please let me know.

[RendeR]

Anyone got an updated count? is is 10-3 or 12-3??

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by RendeR

DING DING DING

Now my question is why, in what was already a runaway vote, did both alan and DT decide to pile on 4 more? HMMM?

okay not questioning DT on this at all as it was his neck on the line and at the time was 8-3 with 5 outstanding votes so I understand his "motive" but bottom line is it's the right move. Alan's just might have been a way to keep everyone honest.

I still believe you are bad RendeR with what I saw last night and what has been presented to us today by Lathum & NTN, I just can't put too much stock into the evidence factor now.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by path12

Again, why? The more Brad clarifies whatever it is he has to clarify, the better idea the up and down teams get about who they need to target.

If there is some flaw in my logic, please let me know.

How can you even question that?

So are we better off with Brad being killed with that information at night?

[path12]

Originally Posted by RendeR

DING DING DING

Now my question is why, in what was already a runaway vote, did both alan and DT decide to pile on 4 more? HMMM?

Well, yeah, I think that's what I wondered about. I still have a tough time picturing you as anything but a team member though.....SnDvls argument strikes me as more solid than yours.

So basically I'm down with supporting a better candidate if one comes along.

[Lathum]

i'm out before the deadline ends.

[SnDvls]

Peregrine - I can play this weekend, but will be limited on Saturday (ASU football game and swim lessons for the little one) Sunday should be okay for a while...I'd prefer a pause, but will do whatever

[path12]

Originally Posted by Lathum

How can you even question that?

So are we better off with Brad being killed with that information at night?

We're certainly better off without the Downstairs or Upstairs people being able to pinpoint who each other are.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Lathum

i'm out before the deadline ends.

does this mean you'll be back before deadline or that you are out for the night

[path12]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Anyone got an updated count? is is 10-3 or 12-3??

Might as well be 7 billion to 1.

[RendeR]

Well seing as how you're lying through your fangs, the fact that "you're not buying it" makes perfect sense. Of COURSE you're not buying it, you can't back down because then you admit your lying.

As for DT, true, I can see the self preservation thing, but my problem lies within the combination of the two, Alan has no excuse for piling on 2 wothless votes, no matter his excuse of "use it or lose it" DT and ALan have gone back and forth enough already for me to see a real connectoin there, good bad or otherwise they're playing at an agenda that can't be a good thing for anyone involved.

I don't expect YOU to change your mind as thats akin to admitting you told the reverend mother you screwed her poch, but hopefully my next post will convice any and all others that *I* am on the up and up.

[SnDvls]

it's 14-1 with 4 votes from "evidence"

still 5 outstanding votes

[RendeR]

Fine fine, here it is:

I am the Private Investigator: My role has the ability to do a couple things:
A) each night I can trail 1 player and watch precisely what they do during a single night phase. This is how I saw SNDVls, I was heading toward Telle's location to tail her for the night (huba huba) when I saw him come down the hall all 'psycho' knife weidling and bloody.

B) During the lynch voting I have the ability to save a Guest from getting selected from the tied vote. basicaly I give info to the Constable and he selects the other player, in the case of Guest vs Guest its still random.

However, as my role is entirely bsaed upon secrecy, I am now defunct as a PI and am a generic Guest. Since everyone knows what I am now My abilities no longer work.



So, go ahead, lynch me, but you're letting a very obvious liar get away with murder, quite literally.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Fine fine, here it is:

I am the Private Investigator: My role has the ability to do a couple things:
A) each night I can trail 1 player and watch precisely what they do during a single night phase. This is how I saw SNDVls, I was heading toward Telle's location to tail her for the night (huba huba) when I saw him come down the hall all 'psycho' knife weidling and bloody.

B) During the lynch voting I have the ability to save a Guest from getting selected from the tied vote. basicaly I give info to the Constable and he selects the other player, in the case of Guest vs Guest its still random.

However, as my role is entirely bsaed upon secrecy, I am now defunct as a PI and am a generic Guest. Since everyone knows what I am now My abilities no longer work.



So, go ahead, lynch me, but you're letting a very obvious liar get away with murder, quite literally.

BAHHHHHHWAAAAAAHAAAAAAA!!!!!

that's quite a story

so you know who everyone is then as you get to choose in a guest vs guest...so who is upstairs and who is downstairs then? and our final guest would be whom?

your teammates did you no justice or service today sorry RendeR it was nice playing with you.

[path12]

Peregrine, can evidence votes be switched or cancelled?

[SnDvls]

dola - I think I actually used that role as a wolf too once

[Peregrine]

Originally Posted by path12

Peregrine, can evidence votes be switched or cancelled?

No, once the evidence is presented it remains for good or ill.

[path12]

Originally Posted by RendeR

However, as my role is entirely bsaed upon secrecy, I am now defunct as a PI and am a generic Guest. Since everyone knows what I am now My abilities no longer work.

This is the part of your description that strikes me as strange. What do you mean by generic?

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

dola - I think I actually used that role as a wolf too once

Methinks thou doth protest too much.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by path12

This is the part of your description that strikes me as strange. What do you mean by generic?

neither an upstairs member nor a downstairs member, just a regular Guest as those that are listed in the rules.

And to answer SNDvla: I am not allowed to divulge who the teams are, its the limitation of the role.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by RendeR

neither an upstairs member nor a downstairs member, just a regular Guest as those that are listed in the rules.

And to answer SNDvla: I am not allowed to divulge who the teams are, its the limitation of the role.

So who's side are you on then? what are you victory conditions?

so of the 8 unknown people you are saying then that you are the last guest and PurdueBrad (who claims he is also a guest) is lying and he is an up/down stairs member?

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

So who's side are you on then? what are you victory conditions?

so of the 8 unknown people you are saying then that you are the last guest and PurdueBrad (who claims he is also a guest) is lying and he is an up/down stairs member?

I win if the Guests win after day 4, and as I just said I can't tell you anything about PB's role. I can't differentiate PB for you, I know the Guests and I know the two teams of antagonists, I do NOT know specificaly which teams the antagonists are on I only know the 8 names. I do not know the identity of the supporters either, they are secret even to me.

[path12]

Originally Posted by RendeR

neither an upstairs member nor a downstairs member, just a regular Guest as those that are listed in the rules.

And to answer SNDvla: I am not allowed to divulge who the teams are, its the limitation of the role.

OK. In other words, we have 8 team roles and 11 guest roles. Coincidentally, we have 19 players. You are saying that we have 8 team roles, only 10 of the 11 guest roles, and your new generic role.

I hear Occam's Razor in my head.

[path12]

Originally Posted by RendeR

neither an upstairs member nor a downstairs member, just a regular Guest as those that are listed in the rules.

And to answer SNDvla: I am not allowed to divulge who the teams are, its the limitation of the role.

Dola, the other thing that strikes me is that now that you really don't have the role anymore, you wouldn't have the limitation about divulging, either. It's not like your powers haven't already been taken away.

Sigh. I don't see much alternative.

VOTE RENDER

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by path12

Dola, the other thing that strikes me is that now that you really don't have the role anymore, you wouldn't have the limitation about divulging, either. It's not like your powers haven't already been taken away.

Sigh. I don't see much alternative.

VOTE RENDER

Its not an optional thing, for game balance I was told I cannot divulge anything, but really path, look at your lists, you already know exatly what I know. Why does me not writing the names on the thread make a diference at this point?

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by path12

OK. In other words, we have 8 team roles and 11 guest roles. Coincidentally, we have 19 players. You are saying that we have 8 team roles, only 10 of the 11 guest roles, and your new generic role.

I hear Occam's Razor in my head.

my point exactaly

[path12]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Its not an optional thing, for game balance I was told I cannot divulge anything, but really path, look at your lists, you already know exatly what I know. Why does me not writing the names on the thread make a diference at this point?

I understand your point. Like I mentioned earlier, in hindsight I think the role reveals were a really bad move and wish that I for one hadn't done it. But I just see too many odd things about your claim to buy it, least of which the potential game-wrecking power of it (if we hadn't been all gung-ho on the mass reveal thing).

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

my point exactaly

Please do not edit other peoples text sndvls, its VERY misleading.

And I'm technically a guest. Not sure what my status seperate from anyone is supposed to mean. I win if the guests win after day 4.

Frankly I'm still astounded that today went this way, you're all easily fooled.

[DaddyTorgo]

I used it because of the point that there were votes that could be moved that would have put me on the block, so I wanted to put it out of reach

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

I used it because of the point that there were votes that could be moved that would have put me on the block, so I wanted to put it out of reach

Yeah i understood your vote. THe worst part of this is that you'l never know for sure because of the no reveal thing. No way to verify my story and then yer stuck with a murderer who is now a very trusted member of your group.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Yeah i understood your vote. THe worst part of this is that you'l never know for sure because of the no reveal thing. No way to verify my story and then yer stuck with a murderer who is now a very trusted member of your group.

nah...because if you don't come up upstairs or downstairs we lynch SunnyD tommorrow

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

nah...because if you don't come up upstairs or downstairs we lynch SunnyD tommorrow

*laughs*

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

nah...because if you don't come up upstairs or downstairs we lynch SunnyD tommorrow

You do realize that I "will not" come up as anything when you lynch me, right?


So yer saying Sndvls is DoooooooMMMmmmmmMMmmed.

[oliegirl]

OK...think I'm caught up...I had said earlier I'd vote with AlanT, so I am...however if he turns out to have misled us, then I'll be voting for him tomorrow, as I think all who have voted for RendeR today should...

VOTE RENDER

I'm pretty much gone for the night, busy day tomorrow- I may not be able to check in until mid afternoon, but I'll make sure I get on before deadline...since we haven't been told differently I'm assuming that we are on a regular schedule for the weekend?

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Please do not edit other peoples text sndvls, its VERY misleading.

And I'm technically a guest. Not sure what my status seperate from anyone is supposed to mean. I win if the guests win after day 4.

Frankly I'm still astounded that today went this way, you're all easily fooled.

the hell are you talking about??? I quoted him direct

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

the hell are you talking about??? I quoted him direct

Nevermind, You quoted the one above the post I thought you did. my bad!

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Nevermind, You quoted the one above the post I thought you did. my bad!

all right it's all good then

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

all right it's all good then

tell me that after they lynch you tomorrow since they won't get any info from lynching me



REVENGE!

[RendeR]

cmon peri =) lets have it....

[Peregrine]

After some back and forth, the votes end up heavily in favor of Render. In the end, the Inspector agreed with you all that the evidence was damning. Render was hauled away and will trouble you no more.

Night actions are due in by midnight. Remember, if you took two actions last night you are exhausted and will sleep both phases tonight!


Lathum
RendeR - voted out, Day 2
Gonzo
ArlingtonColt
Neon_Chaos
PurdueBrad
RPI-Fan
Barkeep49 - shot to death - The Vicar
EagleFan - stabbed to death - The Daughter
MrBug708
St. Cronin
Oliegirl
ntndeacon
SnDvls
DaddyTorgo
Chief Run
Alan T
Telle - stabbed to death - The Cook
Path12

[Peregrine]

We're now looking for one replacement player! Let me know if you know someone who is interested. RPI-Fan has had to drop out.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by path12

Interested to know what you think of it -- it's one of my long list of things to see right now.

My wife and I both liked it. She isn't really into "Westerns" that much, I usually enjoy some of them enough. I thought it was an interesting story and was ok. Not best movie ever, but both of us enjoyed it.

I'm pretty easy going though and like most movies, so I am not the best person to judge movies based off of however, so your mileage may vary

[Lathum]

hmmm, not much happened after I left.

I still think now is the time for PurdueBrad to reveal.

[Peregrine]

Just a note, it will probably be a while before I can process all the orders, hopefully I'll get it all sorted out by tomorrow morning

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by Peregrine

At this point I'm fine to play through the weekends. If anyone can post that won't be able to do it at all, that would be helpful. Obviously if the majority of you can't or don't want to then we can pick things up on Monday.

I will not be able to do this. I am moving this weekend.