Werewolf CLX - Atlantic City - GAME OVER

[Autumn]

After yesterday's embarrassment the residents of Atlantic City are worried about sending another innocent man or woman to jail. But the pressure is on also to clean up the city. Just yesterday the town was written up in the New York Times for having a brothel operating in 500 yards of a school building. Something has to be done.

You dig up what you hope is damning evidence on Fontisian and send it to the police. They do the rest in a daring multi-team raid on her condo. The first thing they find is a plane ticket from Vegas, not all that unusual here. Also a lot of hair care products. But when they uncover a load of stolen casino chips and a suitcase full of unmarked bills they think maybe they've found something. The DA holds a press conference claiming they've caught a member of the Vegas crime family, once thought to be finished. It seems they only went underground, to Atlantic City.

Fontisian was a member of the Vegas Mafia! She'll be locked up for a good long time.

[Coffee Warlord]

A cookie for Jackal. And now we lynch him.

[InBlue]

I'd like to point out that this still doesn't clear Jackal and Brit from suspicion - they could be from the opposing family.

[Autumn]

DAY TWO WINNING BIDS

Mick "Stones" McGee - $800
Donna Black Investigations - $1100
Cookie's Ladies - $0
Sandy Back Messenger Service - $0
Casino2Casino Wire Transfer - $0
Eternity Investments - $0
Freddie von Maur, Casino Manager - $160

BLACKMARKET SERVICES - HIRE AT YOUR OWN RISK
The Money Hole - $0
Joe "Creaky" Reitzler - $1000
"Smiling Jane" Smith - $0
Jameson Gundy, DA - $0

[Autumn]

Time to start betting. Get your lynch bet in by 9 am EST.

[DaddyTorgo]

WOO!!! WE GOT A MAFIOSO!!!

[The Jackal]

Like I said I'm all for voting Brit tomorrow, just didn't want to die with that info, now it is dinner time!

[JAG]

1 down, bunch to go. If you're a villager, good work Jackal.

[Autumn]

I believe I have processed everything. If you disagree, please PM me.

[Coffee Warlord]

I disagree, but not because you're wrong.

[Coffee Warlord]

Bar's gonna be rather high for seers, huh.

[mauchow]

I wonder who won't put a bet in for brit...

[mauchow]

Ugh.. just realized I missed my bet.

Fudge.. same thing happened tonight as last night. Son is pushing his sleep further abd further back with the sun going down later... grrr..

Lots of things missed out..

[Zinto]

Dang, I didn't really pay attention when I was reading last night, so I thought the deadline was at 10 EST.

[Danny]

Wait bets are due by morning deadline right?

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Time to start betting. Get your lynch bet in by 9 am EST.

Ahem.

[murrayyyyy]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Time to start betting. Get your lynch bet in by 9 am EST.

What is Mau talking about?

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by murrayyyyy

What is Mau talking about?

Well, you can't expect me to answer everything ;-)

[Coffee Warlord]

I wouldn't normally suggest this, but I'm wondering...if we assume a good guy got the BG, does the seer reveal so we know where to place the guard?

Though if the BG got bought by baddies, that would be unpleasant.

[Coffee Warlord]

Though as it's getting later at night, I'd worry about the bg not even seeing the message till it's too late.

[mauchow]

I meant bid for services

[path12]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

I wouldn't normally suggest this, but I'm wondering...if we assume a good guy got the BG, does the seer reveal so we know where to place the guard?

Though if the BG got bought by baddies, that would be unpleasant.

That second part is the problem I think. I don't believe that is worth the risk.

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

brit, InBlue, I don't suppose either of you can offer up anything about the Ladies being purchased or if you're a villager who purchased the nightkill and stashed it, are you? Narc was asking about that, and I think if those were villager bought, we could use that information.

If after all we receive no notice from the purchasers of those, I am going to presume those are mafia-bought. While I think this game has gotten off to a slow start post-wise, I would guess that those who bought the services are fully invested in the game and will have checked in by now.

I had the ladies sent to me, though you all know that already. Admittedly, however, this is the first point in time I've seen anyone ask about the ladies.

Originally Posted by JAG

I wanted to slow play this information so we could get something out of this day rather than a rush onto a player, especially when we don't know for sure that this is damning information.

I purchased the Cookie Ladies yesterday and sent them to britrock. Why brit? He had a singleton vote yesterday and was one of two players who didn't get additional votes after their initial one (not counting whoever path switched off of). I also thought he was a bit off his normal self (though he obviously seems pretty busy and it could just be that). I also felt pretty strongly that he didn't buy the seer based on the price paid for the seer. Obviously the fact that he was unable to use services last night coupled with the 'no night kill without the BG being purchased' looks fairly suspicious for him, especially when he didn't come out and mention his night with the ladies or that he bought the night kill with his first post today. I confirmed with Autumn that even if he didn't purchase a service he would still be aware that the service was used against him.

So either we had a stroke of really good luck here or what I mentioned early in the day regarding mafia-on-mafia night kill happened and brit was in the wrong place at the wrong time. I think the coincidence of no night kill when he was prevented from using services, his initial check in post lacking the information about what happened yesterday evening, and the reasons I gave for sending him the ladies in the first place are pretty good reasons to vote his way today.

Unvote murrayyyyy
Vote britrock

As JAG says in here, I am plenty busy. I've worked 9-1 for the past two days, and am still at work now, so I'm also exhausted.

Originally Posted by InBlue

I'd like to point out that this still doesn't clear Jackal and Brit from suspicion - they could be from the opposing family.

And even if I had had the time/capacity earlier in the day to think coherently about revealing that the ladies were sent my way... this was a damned if I do/damned if I don't situation. I knew that there was no NK, and that I had the ladies sent to me. In truth, I've barely done anything in this game. But that lack of action from my quarters can be painted to make me look awfully suspicious.

[path12]

Originally Posted by InBlue

I'd like to point out that this still doesn't clear Jackal and Brit from suspicion - they could be from the opposing family.

Yeah, but Jackal just gave us a bad guy. That gains him, if not trust, at least not my vote for now.

[Narcizo]

Day One

#103 11:13 mauchow votes fontisian (1)
#104 00:40 path12 votes Zinto (1)
#105 07:58 narcizo votes britrock (1)
#114 09:40 Jackal votes Coffee (1)
#133 13:57 Coffee votes DaddyTorgo (1)
#134 14:25 JAG votes Coffee (2)
#136 15:45 Bullet votes JAG (1)
#138 16:01 fontisian votes Bullet (1)
#140 16:11 Darth Vilus votes JAG (2)
#142 16:51 Path unvotes Zinto (0), votes Bullet (2)
#144 16:53 InBlue votes JAG (3)

#145 16:56 Chief votes Bullet (3)
#146 17:18 Brit votes DT (2)
#152 19:07 Zinto votes DT (3)
#155 19:49 DT votes COffee (3)
#163 20:16 Danny votes Coffee (4)
#178 20:32 murra5y votes JAG (4)
#184 20:40 InBlue unvotes JAG (3), Votes DT (4)
#191 20:46 JAG unvotes Coffee (3), votes Bullet (4)
#193 20:52 DT unvotes Coffee (2), votes Bullet (5)

1 Fontisian -------- mauchow (103)
1 Britrock88 ------- narcizo (105)
2 Coffee Warlord - The Jackal (114), danny (163)
4 DaddyTorgo ----- Coffee Warlord (133), britrock88 (146), zinto (153), Inblue (184)
3 JAG -------------- bulletsponge (136), Darth Vilus (140), murrayyy (178)
5 bulletsponge ---- fontisian (138), path12 (142), chief rum (145), JAG (191), daddytorgo (193)

[Narcizo]

Day Two

#247 13:19 mauchow votes murra5y (1)
#253 14:10 murra5y votes mau (1)
#261 14:56 Narcizo votes mau (2)
#262 15:04 JAG votes Darth Vilus (1)
#264 15:10 mauchow unvotes murra5y (0), votes DV (2)
#269 15:25 JAG unvotes DV (1), votes murra5y (1)
#274 15:53 Coffee votes Danny (1)
#275 15:54 path votes mau (3)
#298 18:45 DV votes mau (4)
#301 18:52 murra5y unvotes mau (3), votes path (1)
#302 18:53 fontisian votes DV (2)

JAG reveal

#304 19:02 JAG unvotes murra5y (0), votes britrock (1)
#306 19:11 fontisian unvotes DV (1), votes britrock (2)
#309 19:24 Coffee unvotes Danny (0), votes DV (2)

Jackal reveal

#311 19:25 Jackal votes fontisian (1)
#314 19:30 Coffee unvotes DV (1), votes fontisian (2)
#316 19:34 Zinto votes fontisian (3)
#317 19:34 murra5y unvotes Path (0), votes fontisian (4)
#320 19:40 mau unvotes DV (0), votes fontisian (5)
#324 19:44 Chief votes fontisian (6)
#331 20:03 InBlue votes Britrock (3)
#333 20:05 Danny votes Britrock (4)
#343 20:56 DT votes Britrock (5)

3 Mauchow ------- narcizo (261), path12 (275), darth vilus (298)
5 britrock88 ------ JAG (304), fontisian (306), InBlue (331), danny (333), daddy torgo (343)
6 fontisian -------- The Jackal (311), coffee warlord (314), zinto (316), murrayyyyy (317), mauchow (320), chief rum (324)

[Narcizo]

I think we can talk about people who get my trust of not being Vegas-mob. I put Jackal, DV (fonti voted) and mau (voted fonti yesterday) in that group. So it seems a low percentage play to chase those three tomorrow. Don't actually think there's anything that says that Brit can't be Vegas, to be honest.

On the other hand there's InBlue, Danny and DT who all look strange with their Britrock votes. If anything, perversely, I think Danny's vote makes him more likely to be on the non-Vegas team. I don't see him trying to save fontisian were he on the same team as her in that position. Then again I have difficulty seeing Danny voting Britrock were he village. I can easily see a new player voting to try and save fontisian on the other hand, so I think InBlue looks pretty bad based on the vote.

I think it is pretty dodgy that Brit didn't reveal that he had been visited by the ladies. It seems the most logical thing for a villager to do. Then again it was obviously going to come out one way or the other so I don't see why a wolf-Brit wouldn't reveal it either. Makes me believe his explanation to some degree.

[Narcizo]

I'm having a bit of trouble getting my head round a villager getting the nightkill for $350. That's a third of the standard starting money. I can't really fathom that neither team bid more than that. Then again I think wolf-Jackal/Jackal's team would probably target someone other than fontisian if they had a nightkill and there was no bodyguard. Puts Jackal just under Jag in my circle of trust.

For reasons I don't really want to express I kind of trust Danny as well. Were Danny a wolf then I'd expect something to happen that didn't. Admittedly there's a lot of what-ifs and maybes attached to that trust so it's far from being more than a vague level of trust but there it is.

[JAG]

I agree about InBlue Narc. Looking at your voting before reading your commentary, he was one that stuck out to me as well.

[Narcizo]

Oh yeah, I guess mau leaving his vote on fontisian despite her not really being a candidate yesterday probably shouldn't earn him a fantastic amount of trust on the Vegas side - normally it would actually be the opposite. Mau claimed he missed the vote and bid on fontisian. I don't think its impossible for wolf-mau to vote a team-mate early on day one. If he's planning on being around then it's easy to shift the vote off near deadline for whatever reason. So I don't really think I want to flood mau in a wave of Vegas-trust. And he was acting pretty defensively yesterday to the extent of attaching his vote to the nearest trusted villager in defence 5 hours before the deadline.

[Narcizo]

missed the vote = missed the deadline.

[fontisian]

Originally Posted by JAG

She was one that stuck out to me as well.

Fixed that for you.

[JAG]

Next time we get a new player, my first question is going to be what gender they are.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

On the other hand there's InBlue, Danny and DT who all look strange with their Britrock votes.

Though I would point out that InBlue voted DT to 4 D1, so it's unlikely they're working together unless she was willing to put that vote down because she knew DT would switch off to self-protect. It would be a pretty bold vote switch at that late point from me to a teammate though.

[JAG]

#155 19:49 DT votes COffee (3)
#163 20:16 Danny votes Coffee (4)
#178 20:32 murra5y votes JAG (4)
#184 20:40 InBlue unvotes JAG (3), Votes DT (4)
#191 20:46 JAG unvotes Coffee (3), votes Bullet (4)
#193 20:52 DT unvotes Coffee (2), votes Bullet (5)

Looking at that sequence, I feel pretty confident there is no connection between InBlue and DT. That doesn't mean one of them couldn't be working with font though.

[InBlue]

Here was my logic when voting for Britrock:
Brit was already suspicious, because of JAG's reveal. Then came Jackal's reveal, condemning fontisian. That meant font/Jackal could have gone two ways: Jackal is village/telling the truth and font is mafia, or Jackal is lying and font is innocent (which would still make brit suspicious, because they could be working together.)
So if you added up all the "suspicion points" from that, font would have one, Jackal would have one, and brit would have two.
Logic -> britrock. Simple.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by britrock88

I had the ladies sent to me, though you all know that already. Admittedly, however, this is the first point in time I've seen anyone ask about the ladies.



As JAG says in here, I am plenty busy. I've worked 9-1 for the past two days, and am still at work now, so I'm also exhausted.



And even if I had had the time/capacity earlier in the day to think coherently about revealing that the ladies were sent my way... this was a damned if I do/damned if I don't situation. I knew that there was no NK, and that I had the ladies sent to me. In truth, I've barely done anything in this game. But that lack of action from my quarters can be painted to make me look awfully suspicious.

While I somewhat agree about the damned if you do damned if you don't sentiment, as a villager in your position I would not hesitate to reveal that I had been sent the ladies and did not buy the NK.

[InBlue]

Actually to clarify: font/Jackal could have both been mafia, but on different teams. So even now that we know font was mafia, Jackal could still have been lying and just gotten lucky.

[Autumn]

15 minutes to get your bet in, if you have not.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by JAG

#155 19:49 DT votes COffee (3)
#163 20:16 Danny votes Coffee (4)
#178 20:32 murra5y votes JAG (4)
#184 20:40 InBlue unvotes JAG (3), Votes DT (4)
#191 20:46 JAG unvotes Coffee (3), votes Bullet (4)
#193 20:52 DT unvotes Coffee (2), votes Bullet (5)

Looking at that sequence, I feel pretty confident there is no connection between InBlue and DT. That doesn't mean one of them couldn't be working with font though.

Yeah, you misunderstood me. I didn't mean that both were on the same team, but that both bore looking at. I just think InBlue's vote is more suspect than DT's, given HER newness and the timing of the votes. Then again maybe InBlue has played a lot werewolf/mafia somewhere else and we're doing her a disservice, as my case against her is based on her newness.

[JAG]

I didn't misunderstand, I was just throwing that out there based on what I said.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by InBlue

Here was my logic when voting for Britrock:
Brit was already suspicious, because of JAG's reveal. Then came Jackal's reveal, condemning fontisian. That meant font/Jackal could have gone two ways: Jackal is village/telling the truth and font is mafia, or Jackal is lying and font is innocent (which would still make brit suspicious, because they could be working together.)
So if you added up all the "suspicion points" from that, font would have one, Jackal would have one, and brit would have two.
Logic -> britrock. Simple.

Except the case against fontisian was a lot stronger than the case against britrock at the time you voted. I know its easy for me to sit here in the bright light of day and say that but it really is.

JAG's case against Britrock was built on Britrock possibly having the nightkill. As soon as Jackal came out and said that they had got the nightkill the case against Britrock boiled down to him not revealing that he'd been spending the night with the ladies. Unless Jackal was lying to save Brit. But if Jackal was lying lynching Britrock wouldn't really help - we'd still need to lynch fontisian to see if Jackal was on the up and up, because Brit being wolf still wouldn't prove that Jackal is a baddy.

[Narcizo]

Ooo! This is exciting. It's been ages since I've been around at a deadline of any sort. Not since Neon Chaos and Passa's games I think.

[Narcizo]

Bit worried the $1100 tag means that the wolfies got the seer but I guess someone might have started the game with more money or might have bet on Bullet.

[Autumn]

Bets are closed.

[Autumn]

Another beautiful morning in Atlantic City. The sky is blue, the gulls are calling. It's a shame more people don't vacation here. Though perhaps that man crying in the street and saying he'll pay them back could be part of the reason.

You grab the newspaper on the way to the casino. There's stories about the arrests, of course. But it seems nothing else happened last night.

[Autumn]

Day Three begins. Services will be posted shortly.

[JAG]

Ha, awesome. Two days, no night kills.

[Narcizo]

Aye - I'm guessing that the bodyguard did his job last night although another nightkill attempt on a wolf would be nice.

[Autumn]

The following services are available today. Send your bid in by 9 pm EST.

DAY THREE SERVICES FOR HIRE

Mick "Stones" McGee - Hired muscle for the guy who wants some protection
Donna Black Investigations - When you need somebody checked out
Cookie's Ladies - Send somebody a "friend" to entertain them through the night
Sandy Back Messenger Service - When you need to send a message fast
Casino2Casino Wire Transfer - When you want to send a buck to a friend
Friends4Life Dating Service - Find someone to spend your time with

BLACKMARKET SERVICES - HIRE AT YOUR OWN RISK
The Money Hole - money lending for the desperate gambler
Joe "Creaky" Reitzler, hitman - they say that Creaky will make a guy disappear for you
"Stumpy" Jones, thug - this guy delivers a lesson with his fists, one it takes a while to recover from
Trayvon Michaels, crooked cop - he doesn't mind helping make someone look dirty