Werewolf: Hunt for Necromancers - GAME OVER! Post #3469 - Page 8

saldana · 06-19-2006, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Building off the reasons saldana just mentioned I think it more likely for their to be no EGs than 2.

huh (i think barkeep went to the schmidty school of WW (read: is drunk)

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path12 · 06-19-2006, 08:01 PM

OK.

Unvote Anxiety
Vote Swaggs

Out until later. Your pharaoh thanks you.

path12 · 06-19-2006, 08:01 PM

Dola. Crap, no bold:

Unvote Anxiety
Vote Swaggs

saldana · 06-19-2006, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

My evil plan worked then, the plan to undermine barkeep at every corner

dola, i would be careful admitting to anything evil in the middle of day one voting

Barkeep49 · 06-19-2006, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by saldana

huh (i think barkeep went to the schmidty school of WW (read: is drunk)

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If by drunk you mean bored at work ok.

I'm saying this:

Based on all the things you mentioned in your post, I think that it is more likely for their to be no EGs in the game then for there to be two EGs.

Something like this
60% - 1 EG
25% - 0 EG
15% - 2+ EGs

Abe Sargent · 06-19-2006, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

Anxiety, lets follow out your logic a little further here and look at all possible scenerios..

A - 1 Guard
B - 2 Guards
C - 0 Guards

Now A.1 - 1 guard and we do this strat. When they reveal themselves later on, we can verify they are telling the truth. Win for us

A.2 - If we do not do this strat, and they reveal later on, we have no way to be sure if they are still telling the truth or not... We will say this is a Draw

B.1 - Person reveals they are a guard, we do this strat, but they didnt end up being the guard who got the ordered. They end up not being trusted, and we lynch someone that hurts us. Loss for us

B.2 - Person reveals they are a guard, we do not do the strat, the other guard reveals they are the guard, so we end up in a trust war, where likely end up still lynching one of our two guards. Loss for us.

C.1 or C.2 its a draw either way since it does not end up impacting anything..

So in my mind, it only benefits us to go with barkeep's plan here. I can't see any downside from it that wouldn't already be there in the case of multiple guards and a reveal.

I woke up from a nap and read this and had to reread it three times. I knew it was important somehow, I just couldn't wrap my head around it.

Maybe sleep helped, but I think I figured it out. All of this is predicated on the pharoah being a good guy. I just realized that I was reading this again in order to figure it out.

Are we sure that's true?

I just don't think this strategy will work as well as any of us hope it will.

-Anxiety

Barkeep49 · 06-19-2006, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Anxiety

I woke up from a nap and read this and had to reread it three times. I knew it was important somehow, I just couldn't wrap my head around it.

Maybe sleep helped, but I think I figured it out. All of this is predicated on the pharoah being a good guy. I just realized that I was reading this again in order to figure it out.

Are we sure that's true?

I just don't think this strategy will work as well as any of us hope it will.

-Anxiety

I just want to say that if the pharoah is a bad guy he's a crappy pharoah. The guy could change a nation's religion and did. In fact it's thought that the change of religion by Tut's father might have led to Tut being murdered.

Anxiety: You're wrong on the idea that this requires the pharoah to be good. It merely requires them to tell the truth. In the thing game, CW was bad, but continued to tell the truth. The same thing could work here. That said I still think the initial pharoah is likely to be good. 90% likely if I had to put a number on it. Perhaps even higher.

Blade6119 · 06-19-2006, 08:11 PM

So, 3 way tie for vote lead between cronin, swaggs, and bek...who wants to cast the deciding vote(though, none of the 3 in question have their votes on any of their rivals)

Barkeep49 · 06-19-2006, 08:14 PM

Blade: I'm hoping tangle will show up.

Bek: I see you're in the thread and you stated earlier you have some thoughts. Care to share?

With about 2 hours to deadline I am still hoping we'll see some of the 1 vote people coalalesce around our 3 leading candidates.

Abe Sargent · 06-19-2006, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Anxiety: You're wrong on the idea that this requires the pharoah to be good. It merely requires them to tell the truth.

Now that's a good point that I hadn't thought of, and I concede it.

-Anxiety

saldana · 06-19-2006, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Blade: I'm hoping tangle will show up.

Bek: I see you're in the thread and you stated earlier you have some thoughts. Care to share?

With about 2 hours to deadline I am still hoping we'll see some of the 1 vote people coalalesce around our 3 leading candidates.

as much as i hate being the deciding vote on day one, you know i wont let it be a tie....if it comes down to the wire, i will change in order to make sure there is a lynch

Blade6119 · 06-19-2006, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Blade: I'm hoping tangle will show up.

Im giving him a pass on day one with his location, but i will not allow it pas that. Ive seen him be active and this deadline is later then most other games. I hope he shows, but in banking on one of bek, swaggs, or cronin deciding things.

Barkeep49 · 06-19-2006, 08:19 PM

I think saldana is our best hope there.

And I agree Tangle doesn't get a pass past day 1.

Blade6119 · 06-19-2006, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I think saldana is our best hope there.

And I agree Tangle doesn't get a pass past day 1.

Bek is in thread, so im leaning towards him saving his own neck. His vote change that put him in the lead was so perplexing that he might not though.

Bek · 06-19-2006, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Blade: I'm hoping tangle will show up.

Bek: I see you're in the thread and you stated earlier you have some thoughts. Care to share?

With about 2 hours to deadline I am still hoping we'll see some of the 1 vote people coalalesce around our 3 leading candidates.

Earlier i incorrectly voted for someone that had posted and in a effort of self preservation.... and this is day one voting so unfortunately i dont have any validating reason for it besides self preservation
Unvote Bulletsponge
Vote Swaggs

Qwikshot · 06-19-2006, 08:24 PM

Isn't Tangle a completely different time zone though...he's always on a different schedule then everyone else...

Blade6119 · 06-19-2006, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwikshot

Isn't Tangle a completely different time zone though...he's always on a different schedule then everyone else...

UK i thought, so hence why were letting him pass. He usually shows up at night, so were letting it go today(though he has had all weekend...

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Alan T · 06-19-2006, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwikshot

Isn't Tangle a completely different time zone though...he's always on a different schedule then everyone else...

He is either in Europe or Australia. I don't remember which. usually he is in during the day though and misses the deadline if I remember right. He should have been in by now though.. however I don't like to vote away non-voters on day 1 usually.. dunno what happened to them. But anyone who hasnt showed up or participated much past day 1 is going to be considered on day 2 by me.

Barkeep49 · 06-19-2006, 08:28 PM

He is in England. And he often has shown up already. Still want to hear from him. Ever since poor Mark Vaughn was railroaded in his only game I try and give some leeway to our overseas brethren, though not too much

Barkeep49 · 06-19-2006, 08:29 PM

By "he often has shown up already" I mean he's often been around by this time of the lynch.

Blade6119 · 06-19-2006, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

He is in England. And he often has shown up already. Still want to hear from him. Ever since poor Mark Vaughn was railroaded in his only game I try and give some leeway to our overseas brethren, though not too much

I still feel bad about that one, though he did turn out to be a spawn to be fair.

kingfc22 · 06-19-2006, 08:30 PM

What is the reasoning for the current swing towards Swaggs? Is it because he has not checked in?

Qwikshot · 06-19-2006, 08:31 PM

Well, I'm standing by my vote, I was up at 4 AM...so I'm turning in early tonight...happy trails...and see you all tomorrow (I hope).

Barkeep49 · 06-19-2006, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

I still feel bad about that one, though he did turn out to be a spawn to be fair.

Details details

Barkeep49 · 06-19-2006, 08:32 PM

Especially as the reasoning that got everyone there was faulty, in that no one attempted to sabatoge the mission. The dice just rolled really poorly.

Blade6119 · 06-19-2006, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

What is the reasoning for the current swing towards Swaggs? Is it because he has not checked in?

There was a swing to bek for not checking in and not voting, and now bek has voted 3 times...swaggs and tangle have yet to vote/talk, and since tangle in UK were letting him slide and voting swaggs.

saldana · 06-19-2006, 08:52 PM

i'm out for dinner for the next hour...be back before the deadline in case the deadlock comes back.

Tyrith · 06-19-2006, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by saldana

as much as i hate being the deciding vote on day one, you know i wont let it be a tie....if it comes down to the wire, i will change in order to make sure there is a lynch

Don't have to worry about a no-lynch, path's vote is a tiebreaker.

Barkeep49 · 06-19-2006, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrith

Don't have to worry about a no-lynch, path's vote is a tiebreaker.

I don't believe we know that to be true.

Barkeep49 · 06-19-2006, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I don't believe we know that to be true.

My bad. We do know this to be true.

Tyrith · 06-19-2006, 09:08 PM

General Info:
Roles are revealed by moderator/GM upon death.
Lynch every day, Pharoah initially has tie-breaker.
Deadlines: 9PM CST for lynch, 7AM CST for night actions (earlier if possible)

In the rules.

SnDvls · 06-19-2006, 09:19 PM

we'll I'm not moving to create a tie again

Swaggs · 06-19-2006, 09:26 PM

Vote Bek

Barkeep49 · 06-19-2006, 09:28 PM

Hey Swaggs.

So what is it with people showing up with long abscense and simply voting? Did I miss a memo or something? I hate to not be in on what the cool werewolf kids are doing.

Barkeep49 · 06-19-2006, 09:39 PM

I feel like Day 1 has gotten stronger. It has been a boring conclusion though despite the closeness of the vote.

saldana · 06-19-2006, 09:46 PM

so are we tied again...can a brother get a vote count

saldana · 06-19-2006, 09:49 PM

unvote dubb93
vote swaggs

showing up, forcing a tie, and leaving again is about as useless as not showing up

hoopsguy · 06-19-2006, 09:52 PM

Cronin - Anxiety (178), Schmidty (200), Chubby (227)
Schmidty - Cronin (195)
Bulletsponge - Tyrith (196)
Tyrith - Kingfc (276)
Vince - Coffee (220)
Dubb - Saldana (248)
Tanglewood - Lathum (256)
Bek - SnDvls (266), Vince (285), Qwikshot (316), Swaggs (383)
Barkeep - Passacaglia (303)
Anxiety - Alan T (275)
Swaggs - Blade (344), Barkeep (345), Path (353), Bek (365), Saldana (387)

Bad vote - bulletsponge (216)
No votes - Tanglewood

saldana · 06-19-2006, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrith

General Info:
Roles are revealed by moderator/GM upon death.
Lynch every day, Pharoah initially has tie-breaker.
Deadlines: 9PM CST for lynch, 7AM CST for night actions (earlier if possible)

In the rules.

iirc, the pharaoh loses the tie break if he kills an egyptian, so i would rather not have that happen on the first day.

saldana · 06-19-2006, 09:54 PM

dola, bek, if you turn out to be bad, you will be my new day one vote every game, even if you arent palying

saldana · 06-19-2006, 09:54 PM

double dola,

Playing, not palying

Abe Sargent · 06-19-2006, 09:55 PM

I hate it when Im palying.

-Anxiety

saldana · 06-19-2006, 09:55 PM

double dola, hoops you forgot to delete my vote for dubb from your list

Barkeep49 · 06-19-2006, 09:56 PM

Gentlemen this is serious business. No palying around!

Tyrith · 06-19-2006, 09:56 PM

Pharaoh doesn't lose tiebreaker if he kills a friendly, he loses duke if he uses it to kill a friendly.

Side note, let's cement this, just in case.

UNVOTE BULLETSPONGE
VOTE SWAGGS

Blade6119 · 06-19-2006, 09:56 PM

so swaggs is going down with 5 minutes left? Im ok with that result

Abe Sargent · 06-19-2006, 09:56 PM

Broke you dola string - nah ha!

-Anxiety

Barkeep49 · 06-19-2006, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by saldana

double dola, hoops you forgot to delete my vote for dubb from your list

In what world would you be able to pull off a double dola minutes before lynch

?

saldana · 06-19-2006, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Anxiety

Broke you dola string - nah ha!

-Anxiety

bite me

saldana · 06-19-2006, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

In what world would you be able to pull off a double dola minutes before lynch

?

last game i was the only one in the thread at the deadline on one day

06-19-2006, 08:01 PM	#352
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	OK. Unvote Anxiety Vote Swaggs Out until later. Your pharaoh thanks you. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

06-19-2006, 08:01 PM	#353
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Dola. Crap, no bold: Unvote Anxiety Vote Swaggs __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

06-19-2006, 08:11 PM	#358
Blade6119 Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona	So, 3 way tie for vote lead between cronin, swaggs, and bek...who wants to cast the deciding vote(though, none of the 3 in question have their votes on any of their rivals) __________________ *Underachievement* The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower. *Despair* It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black. *Demotivation* Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people. http://www.despair.com/viewall.html

06-19-2006, 08:24 PM	#366
Qwikshot Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: ...down the gravity well	Isn't Tangle a completely different time zone though...he's always on a different schedule then everyone else... __________________ "General Woundwort's body was never found. It could be that he still lives his fierce life somewhere else, but from that day on, mother rabbits would tell their kittens that if they did not do as they were told, the General would get them. Such was Woundwort's monument, and perhaps it would not have displeased him." Watership Down, Richard Adams

06-19-2006, 08:30 PM	#372
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	What is the reasoning for the current swing towards Swaggs? Is it because he has not checked in? __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

06-19-2006, 08:14 PM	#359
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Blade: I'm hoping tangle will show up. Bek: I see you're in the thread and you stated earlier you have some thoughts. Care to share? With about 2 hours to deadline I am still hoping we'll see some of the 1 vote people coalalesce around our 3 leading candidates.

06-19-2006, 08:19 PM	#363
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I think saldana is our best hope there. And I agree Tangle doesn't get a pass past day 1.

06-19-2006, 08:28 PM	#369
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	He is in England. And he often has shown up already. Still want to hear from him. Ever since poor Mark Vaughn was railroaded in his only game I try and give some leeway to our overseas brethren, though not too much

06-19-2006, 08:29 PM	#370
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	By "he often has shown up already" I mean he's often been around by this time of the lynch.

06-19-2006, 08:31 PM	#373
Qwikshot Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: ...down the gravity well	Well, I'm standing by my vote, I was up at 4 AM...so I'm turning in early tonight...happy trails...and see you all tomorrow (I hope). __________________ "General Woundwort's body was never found. It could be that he still lives his fierce life somewhere else, but from that day on, mother rabbits would tell their kittens that if they did not do as they were told, the General would get them. Such was Woundwort's monument, and perhaps it would not have displeased him." Watership Down, Richard Adams

06-19-2006, 08:32 PM	#375
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Especially as the reasoning that got everyone there was faulty, in that no one attempted to sabatoge the mission. The dice just rolled really poorly.

06-19-2006, 08:52 PM	#377
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	i'm out for dinner for the next hour...be back before the deadline in case the deadlock comes back.

06-19-2006, 09:08 PM	#381
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	General Info: Roles are revealed by moderator/GM upon death. Lynch every day, Pharoah initially has tie-breaker. Deadlines: 9PM CST for lynch, 7AM CST for night actions (earlier if possible) In the rules.

06-19-2006, 09:19 PM	#382
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	we'll I'm not moving to create a tie again

06-19-2006, 09:26 PM	#383
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Vote Bek __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

06-19-2006, 09:28 PM	#384
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Hey Swaggs. So what is it with people showing up with long abscense and simply voting? Did I miss a memo or something? I hate to not be in on what the cool werewolf kids are doing.

06-19-2006, 09:39 PM	#385
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I feel like Day 1 has gotten stronger. It has been a boring conclusion though despite the closeness of the vote.

06-19-2006, 09:46 PM	#386
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	so are we tied again...can a brother get a vote count

06-19-2006, 09:49 PM	#387
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	unvote dubb93 vote swaggs showing up, forcing a tie, and leaving again is about as useless as not showing up

06-19-2006, 09:52 PM	#388
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Cronin - Anxiety (178), Schmidty (200), Chubby (227) Schmidty - Cronin (195) Bulletsponge - Tyrith (196) Tyrith - Kingfc (276) Vince - Coffee (220) Dubb - Saldana (248) Tanglewood - Lathum (256) Bek - SnDvls (266), Vince (285), Qwikshot (316), Swaggs (383) Barkeep - Passacaglia (303) Anxiety - Alan T (275) Swaggs - Blade (344), Barkeep (345), Path (353), Bek (365), Saldana (387) Bad vote - bulletsponge (216) No votes - Tanglewood

06-19-2006, 09:54 PM	#390
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	dola, bek, if you turn out to be bad, you will be my new day one vote every game, even if you arent palying

06-19-2006, 09:54 PM	#391
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	double dola, Playing, not palying

06-19-2006, 09:55 PM	#392
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	I hate it when Im palying. -Anxiety __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

06-19-2006, 09:55 PM	#393
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	double dola, hoops you forgot to delete my vote for dubb from your list

06-19-2006, 09:56 PM	#394
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Gentlemen this is serious business. No palying around!

06-19-2006, 09:56 PM	#395
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	Pharaoh doesn't lose tiebreaker if he kills a friendly, he loses duke if he uses it to kill a friendly. Side note, let's cement this, just in case. UNVOTE BULLETSPONGE VOTE SWAGGS

06-19-2006, 09:56 PM	#396
Blade6119 Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona	so swaggs is going down with 5 minutes left? Im ok with that result __________________ *Underachievement* The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower. *Despair* It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black. *Demotivation* Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people. http://www.despair.com/viewall.html

06-19-2006, 09:56 PM	#397
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Broke you dola string - nah ha! -Anxiety __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

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