WW 103? - 42 Attempts (Game Over - Conspirators Win)

[EagleFan]

The following people have been invited to tomorrow's (day two) meeting:

Danny
Telle
GoldenEagle
JAG
J23
Kwhit
PurdueBrad


Hitler himself will also be attending the meeting and may or may not be named in that list.

[Lathum]

I feel left out

[Abe Sargent]

GoldenEagle + Danny should make for a fun meeting

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I feel left out

+1

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

We actually don't want a limited number. The wolves know who is cleared, too. So if the cleared need to be around Hitler, that narrows their choices on who to go after.

I'm not sure what you mean. You mean it would be better if he could invite everyone to the meeting?

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I'm not sure what you mean. You mean it would be better if he could invite everyone to the meeting?

No, just that, let's say he scheduled a meeting and it were just he and Danny, we would sorta know who Hitler was. Hitler can hide in numbers.

Of course, all this is moot because EagleFan basically just stated that Hitler will be in attendance but that he may or may not be present on the above list.

[Autumn]

Oh I see Chief. Yeah, I hadn't thought about the "hitler attending" aspect of it.

[The Jackal]

That's a bizarre meeting list. But who am I to question Hitler!

[PurdueBrad]

I LOVE me some Ronnie Brown! Just took first place in my $ fantasy league thanks to the final TD, won by 2 points.

Anyway, never thought I would say these words but, look forward to meeting with Hitler. I'm honored (?!?).

[Abe Sargent]

I love watching the Dolphins tonight, they manned up at the end, and I loved that drive, and I loves me some Pat White. Plus I liked the orange

[Darth Vilus]

Holy S**t, 6 pages to read through! that's not as bad as it could have been though. To respond to GE, why was I the best candidate? I voted early becasue I had work as I had previously stated. This night deadline is very problematic with work, I will most likely have to vote early every day with the possible exception on thursday, im not sure about that yet.

So it doesn't seem like a terrible day one, coulda been better but at least we didnt lose anyone truly important (no offense to anyone). No problem with danny's duke, woulda been pissed if he killed the seer but it's all good. Didnt really think that woman (yeah i hold grudges sometimes) had a role. I'll reread everything before i vote tomorrow though i have some suspicions at the moment.

And FWIW I'm a vanilla nazi but me saying that really doesn't matter.

Heil Hitler!

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Darth Vilus

Didnt really think that woman (yeah i hold grudges sometimes) had a role.

Not cool.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Not cool.

agreed. don't be a tool DV

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Darth Vilus

Didnt really think that woman (yeah i hold grudges sometimes) had a role.

That's pretty messed up if you're talking about LSG. She's a person, not just a "woman", and this is just a game. And her husband is in this game.

Have fun, but don't be a dick.

(If I'm misunderstanding you, I'm sorry)

[EagleFan]

Hopefully DV's comment was not meant the way it sounded. I have zero experience with DV though so I don't know. Please keep things civil within the game. As we are in the interim without a Mod hopefully we can continue to keep things as calm as possible.

If I misread that, I apologize, but there isn't much to go on but the wording.

[Darth Vilus]

I'll apologize if u want but she attacked my character a few games ago. I never got an apology

[Darth Vilus]

anyone remember that? and why is everyone jumping down my throat, what did i say that was derogatory? explain this to me please

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Darth Vilus

I'll apologize if u want but she attacked my character a few games ago. I never got an apology

I don't know what happened before, but let it be something revealing of the other person. You're better than to retaliate.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

+1

You both were vocally against lynching LSG anyway, so your opinion is not surprising. I am sure it is heavily dependent on who was the target.

As I've admitted the results did not turn out well, but your claims of "selfish" are a bit ludicrous. I made a gut play with a couple minutes left in the deadline (the same as AlanT did last game actually) based on my read. I thought it was going to be beneficial for the village. Maybe it wasn't in the end, but I didn't make the play for myself.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

GoldenEagle + Danny should make for a fun meeting

I like to bring cookies, so perhaps that will help.

And not from anyone specifically, but am I the only who thought of that Hitler downfall video with him ranting against my decision?

[GoldenEagle]

By the way if I was a wolf, I would be tripping on each other trying to convert Danny. I don't know the exact rules on conversion, but we really can't assume he is cleared. He may have been converted last night.

Right?

[Danny]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

By the way if I was a wolf, I would be tripping on each other trying to convert Danny. I don't know the exact rules on conversion, but we really can't assume he is cleared. He may have been converted last night.

Right?

This is an odd post. Not anyone can be converted. There is a specific character/player who can be. And that's not me. Also, there was an actual night kill, so we know a conversion did not take place.

[Danny]

The convert is Erwin Johannes Eugen Rommel

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Danny

This is an odd post. Not anyone can be converted. There is a specific character/player who can be. And that's not me. Also, there was an actual night kill, so we know a conversion did not take place.

Agreed, it is a little odd.

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by Danny

This is an odd post. Not anyone can be converted. There is a specific character/player who can be. And that's not me. Also, there was an actual night kill, so we know a conversion did not take place.

I just remember seeing something about a convert. I didn't read the specifics (even stated that in my post). Now that I have read up, I see what you are talking about.

I guess you are cleared, but I have a feeling you will not be alive for too much longer.

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by Darth Vilus

anyone remember that? and why is everyone jumping down my throat, what did i say that was derogatory? explain this to me please

If I remember correctly, she made a comment about the way that you play. There was nothing personal about it.

Your comment was more sexist. You implied that we don't need any women to be playing this game. On the contrary, there are several good women players who partake in WW. Telle is one of the best overall players, IMO.

[J23]

Well, not the best day 1 result, but not the worst. I'm not sure I like using the Himmler card on day1, but as Danny mentioned, if it had hit a wolf, everyone would be cheering. At least now everyone knows Danny isn't a traitor, and there is a bodyguard function at least. We also have more information to analyze day 1 voting with by having 4 known villagers.

[Autumn]

Let's talk about lynch targets today. I stayed on Darth yesterday and I think given all the movement from him he may still be a worthwhile target. Chief would also tell us a lot about yesterday. Chief and JAG followed Danny onto LSG, if that means anything. That's all I have at the moment.

[Schmidty]

Just wanted to let everyone know that I'll be at work without internet from 12 pm EST until 5 pm EST, so I won't be around at all early afternoon.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Just wanted to let everyone know that I'll be at work without internet from 12 pm EST until 5 pm EST, so I won't be around at all early afternoon.

No PORN?!?!?!?!?

[Lathum]

I am thinking about KWhit unless he shows up sometime soon with an excuse. I think he is a great player, but it seems like he has missed votes in games pretty often.

[Abe Sargent]

Vote KWhit

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Let's talk about lynch targets today. I stayed on Darth yesterday and I think given all the movement from him he may still be a worthwhile target. Chief would also tell us a lot about yesterday. Chief and JAG followed Danny onto LSG, if that means anything. That's all I have at the moment.

Personally, I'm less inclined to vote for Chief or Darth today because I think we gain more information in the long run by targeting different people than continuing to vote the same people over and over (without good reason of course).

From my point of view, Hitler has picked two sure villagers for the meeting (Danny and myself), so that's good. I was trying to see if we can tell anything from the results of the meeting to either clear (if successful) or target people attending the meeting (if it was sabotaged), but from the bits and pieces EagleFan has dropped, it seems like we may be able to tell:

The greater the number of invitees, the greater the reward if successful but also the greater the chance for sabotage or worse.

A successful meeting will add to the Nazis powers for Night 2. The negative effects of failure may not be immediately noticable.

The unknown quantity is what makes the meeting a success or failure, does it have to be 100% non-conspirators to succeed or can we have succes with only 1 conspirator?

Anyway, my feeling is we'll learn something about the attendees based on how the meeting goes, so I'd rather vote for someone who was not invited. So barring any further information, my vote will be for one of Abe, Lathum, Jackal, Autumn, Schmidty, PB, ntn, or bulletsponge.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by JAG

Anyway, my feeling is we'll learn something about the attendees based on how the meeting goes, so I'd rather vote for someone who was not invited. So barring any further information, my vote will be for one of Abe, Lathum, Jackal, Autumn, Schmidty, PB, ntn, or bulletsponge.

I disagree with this. I wold rather look at the people who had movement on the day 1 vote.

I don't think it is right to lessen the pool of candidates based on a list one person made who as far as we know doesn;t know the true alligience of the people he selected.

He could just as easily selected conspititors. I would rather continue the momentum and building voting records from D1 or vote KWhit, who hasnt been active.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I am thinking about KWhit unless he shows up sometime soon with an excuse. I think he is a great player, but it seems like he has missed votes in games pretty often.

Why would a missed vote (especially on day one) indicate wolfishness? And I had a couple of votes on me anyway, so obviously I would have wanted to vote if I could have.

But the reason for my missed vote was that I was unexpectedly away from my computer for a lot longer than I thought I would be. We went out last night with friends to dinner and I thought we'd be back well before 10. Didn't happen.

Sorry about that, guys and gals.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Danny

Final Day One Vote

KWhit 2 - Darth Vilus (80), PurdueBrad (105)
Lathum 1 - DaddyTorgo (96)
Darth Vilus 2 - Autumn (91), Telle (219)
Chief Rum 5 - ntndeacon (92), bulletsponge (110), GldenEagle (213), LoneStarGirl (221), Danny (223)
DaddyTorgo 7 - Lathum (102), J23 (106), hoopsguy (113), Abe Sargent (125), Scmidty (153), The Jackal (163), Chief Rum (230)
LoneStarGirl 1 - JAG (193)

No vote: KWhit

Looking at this, the only real interesting thing I see is the late-ish run on Chief Rum. What's interesting about it is that we know LSG and Danny were good, and the leading vote-getter was DT who is also good. So it's not like people were moving to CR to try to save DT. But things did get pretty close there for a bit. It's likely that we had a villager/villager thing going on there, but some pressure on CR today might tell us some interesting things about yesterday's vote.

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by JAG

Personally, I'm less inclined to vote for Chief or Darth today because I think we gain more information in the long run by targeting different people than continuing to vote the same people over and over (without good reason of course).

From my point of view, Hitler has picked two sure villagers for the meeting (Danny and myself), so that's good. I was trying to see if we can tell anything from the results of the meeting to either clear (if successful) or target people attending the meeting (if it was sabotaged), but from the bits and pieces EagleFan has dropped, it seems like we may be able to tell:





The unknown quantity is what makes the meeting a success or failure, does it have to be 100% non-conspirators to succeed or can we have succes with only 1 conspirator?

Anyway, my feeling is we'll learn something about the attendees based on how the meeting goes, so I'd rather vote for someone who was not invited. So barring any further information, my vote will be for one of Abe, Lathum, Jackal, Autumn, Schmidty, PB, ntn, or bulletsponge.

I was leaning this way as well. I will be voting for someone not at the meeting. I haven't checked that with the people that moved yet, but if we have both things happening with one person, that might be where my vote goes.

[Autumn]

There was a lot of interest in having a second candidate there towards the end, as people didn't feel wolfy about DT. The fact that LSG got pushed, and didn't quite make it, and then Chief, and almost made it, makes me wonder. Were people trying to get votes away from KWhit or Darth, the other two contenders at that point? I think Chief, Darth or KWhit are ones to look at, to me.

I can see your point also, JAG, but I think it pays to follow up on the vote history we have. Eventually we'll come back to it, better to clear it up now then wait three days.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I disagree with this. I wold rather look at the people who had movement on the day 1 vote.

I don't think it is right to lessen the pool of candidates based on a list one person made who as far as we know doesn;t know the true alligience of the people he selected.

He could just as easily selected conspititors. I would rather continue the momentum and building voting records from D1 or vote KWhit, who hasnt been active.

Alright, I don't want to be dense, but how do you propose we use our momentum to further build voting records from D1? If you think there's a clear candidate, I'm willing to listen.

Your point that Hitler 'could just as easily selected conspirators' is true, but obviously Hitler wants the meeting to succeed, so we would expect he tried to pick villagers. If that role that can PM Hitler once a day is in the game, presumably that player is in the meeting. Anyway, I still think we'll know something about the group from the meeting based on what the results of the meeting are. If the meeting fails, we vote that group relentlessly until we find at least one conspirator. If the meeting succeeds, it doesn't automatically clear the group, but I would rather look at other candidates for the time being.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Why would a missed vote (especially on day one) indicate wolfishness? And I had a couple of votes on me anyway, so obviously I would have wanted to vote if I could have.

But the reason for my missed vote was that I was unexpectedly away from my computer for a lot longer than I thought I would be. We went out last night with friends to dinner and I thought we'd be back well before 10. Didn't happen.

Sorry about that, guys and gals.

K

unvote KWhit

[KWhit]

The other thing that jumps out at me here is Telle's late throw away vote. Her vote on Darth came with just 4 minutes left before deadline, but was a pretty meaningless vote for someone who was not really in the running. That bothers me.

[Telle]

Originally Posted by KWhit

The other thing that jumps out at me here is Telle's late throw away vote. Her vote on Darth came with just 4 minutes left before deadline, but was a pretty meaningless vote for someone who was not really in the running. That bothers me.

At the time I wasn't caught up in the voting and thought he had the second-highest number of bids on him. I didn't see that people had moved off of him until afterwards.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

As of Post 201:

KWhit 2 - Darth Vilus (80), PurdueBrad (105)
Lathum 1 - DaddyTorgo (96)
Darth Vilus 1 - Autumn (91)
Chief Rum 2 - ntndeacon (92), bulletsponge (110)
DaddyTorgo 6 - Lathum (102), J23 (106), hoopsguy (113), Abe Sargent (125), Scmidty (153), The Jackal (163)
Autumn 1 - LoneStarGirl (108)
LoneStarGirl 3 - Danny (179), Chief Rum (188), JAG (193)

Yet to vote: GoldenEagle, KWhit, Telle

This is the vote totals that Telle should have known about when she made her post below. She admits that she wasn't caught up on posts from the last page, so she possibly wouldn't have known about GE's vote on CR (not included in the above). But she should have been aware of what is listed above.

Originally Posted by Telle

I've been logged in but have been away from the computer.. almost forgot about the vote as I got busy with something else. I'm not quite caught up on this page, but need to get a vote in before the deadline.

vote Darth Vilus

But she places a vote on the 5th top vote getter (really tied for 5th). Why?

I don't like late throw away votes. Right now, I'm looking suspiciously at her and Chief Rum.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Telle

At the time I wasn't caught up in the voting and thought he had the second-highest number of bids on him. I didn't see that people had moved off of him until afterwards.

Originally Posted by Telle

At the time I wasn't caught up in the voting and thought he had the second-highest number of bids on him. I didn't see that people had moved off of him until afterwards.

Note: I didn't see that until after I made post 393.

That's possible. I'll need to look at the vote history.

[Telle]

And also when I mentioned that I wasn't caught up on "this page" I was actually referencing the previous page.. as an additional page had been added as I was typing my post.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Telle

At the time I wasn't caught up in the voting and thought he had the second-highest number of bids on him. I didn't see that people had moved off of him until afterwards.

Yeah, that makes some sense, I guess.

CR moved off DV at post 188 and JAG moved off at post 193.

Hmmm...

Anyone have any reasons they can give for the change of heart from DV to LSG that happened late yesterday? That seemed pretty random when I read through it earlier.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Telle

And also when I mentioned that I wasn't caught up on "this page" I was actually referencing the previous page.. as an additional page had been added as I was typing my post.

Yeah. That makes me feel better. Actually, it wouldn't have made much sense for a wolf or a villager to vote for DV at that point anyway (unless they weren't totally up to date on the vote count, as you say).

[KWhit]

Telle, do you (or anyone else) have a list of vote history with unvotes and moves and stuff?

If so, would you mind sharing?

[Autumn]

I do, KWhit, I'll see if I can post it. I had to correct it a few times, so it may need some external examination.

[JAG]

You're in luck, I was just working on this:

Day 1:

(32) Schmidty votes Jackal - Jackal 1
(49) Danny votes GE - Jackal 1 GE 1
(80) Darth votes KWhit - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 1
(86) Abe votes Lathum - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 1 Lathum 1
(87) Lathum votes Schmidty - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 1 Lathum 1 Schmidty 1
(89) JAG votes Darth - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 1 Lathum 1 Schmidty 1 Darth 1
(91) Autumn votes Darth - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 1 Lathum 1 Schmidty 1 Darth 2
(92) ntn votes Chief - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 1 Lathum 1 Schmidty 1 Darth 2 Chief 1
(96) DT votes Lathum - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 1 Lathum 2 Schmidty 1 Darth 2 Chief 1
(102) Lathum unvotes Schmidty, votes DT - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 1 Lathum 2 Darth 2 Chief 1 DT 1
(105) PB votes KWhit - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 2 Lathum 2 Darth 2 Chief 1 DT 1
(106) J23 votes DT - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 2 Lathum 2 Darth 2 Chief 1 DT 2
(108)LSG votes Autumn - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 2 Lathum 2 Darth 2 Chief 1 DT 2 Autumn 1
(110) bulletspong votes Chief - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 2 Lathum 2 Darth 2 Chief 2 DT 2 Autumn 1
(113) hoopsguy votes DT - Jackal 1 GE 1 KWhit 2 Lathum 2 Darth 2 Chief 2 DT 3 Autumn 1
(122) Danny unvotes GE - Jackal 1 KWhit 2 Lathum 2 Darth 2 Chief 2 DT 3 Autumn 1
(125) Abe unvotes Lathum, votes DT - Jackal 1 KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 2 Chief 2 DT 4 Autumn 1
(129) Chief votes Darth - Jackal 1 KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 3 Chief 2 DT 4 Autumn 1
(153) Schmidty unvotes Jackal, votes DT - KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 3 Chief 2 DT 5 Autumn 1
(163) Jackal votes DT - KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 3 Chief 2 DT 6 Autumn 1
(179) Danny votes LSG - KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 3 Chief 2 DT 6 Autumn 1 LSG 1
(188) Chief unvotes Darth, votes LSG - KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 2 Chief 2 DT 6 Autumn 1 LSG 2
(193) JAG unvotes Darth, votes LSG - KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 1 Chief 2 DT 6 Autumn 1 LSG 3
(213) GE votes Chief - KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 1 Chief 3 DT 6 Autumn 1 LSG 3
(219) Telle votes Darth - KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 2 Chief 3 DT 6 Autumn 1 LSG 3
(221) LSG unvotes Autumn, votes Chief - KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 2 Chief 4 DT 6 LSG 3
(223) Danny unvotes LSG, votes Chief - KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 2 Chief 5 DT 6 LSG 2
(230) Chief unvotes LSG, votes DT - KWhit 2 Lathum 1 Darth 2 Chief 5 DT 7 LSG 1