Werewolf XXXIX: The Lady of La Rochelle–GAME OVER. - Page 8

hoopsguy · 12-10-2006, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

Much like i expect there to be 3 musketeers, and possibly 4 with dartanion (or whatever is name is)

I only agree with this because it aligns for numbers with the amount of people we had starting the game. Otherwise, I would expect the number of bad guys to couple closely with standard WW ratios rather than stick to the number in a literary work.

st.cronin · 12-10-2006, 05:41 PM

Seriously, though - Fouts is top man right now. I'll switch on to ntndeacon, which makes Fouts and ntn 1-2.

unvote Lonestargirl
vote ntndeacon

Tyrith · 12-10-2006, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

I disagree...in every story ive read about them, they were swordsman. The cardinals guard had marksmen, but the musketeers were swordsman. I, rightly or wrongly, expect the game to follow suite.

Much like i expect there to be 3 musketeers, and possibly 4 with dartanion (or whatever is name is)

This is very, very dangerous. Alan in the LotR game. That's all I've got to say to get my point across, I believe.

BrianD · 12-10-2006, 05:43 PM

Considering how crappy day 1 votes are, I also like the idea of letting the unfortunate early vote-getters have a fighting chance to live. It will still suck for the first person that goes out, but at least it won't be a total railroad job.

BrianD · 12-10-2006, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrith

This is very, very dangerous. Alan in the LotR game. That's all I've got to say to get my point across, I believe.

I didn't get this, can you say more?

Tyrith · 12-10-2006, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

Considering how crappy day 1 votes are, I also like the idea of letting the unfortunate early vote-getters have a fighting chance to live. It will still suck for the first person that goes out, but at least it won't be a total railroad job.

I can certainly agree with this assessment.

Fouts · 12-10-2006, 05:45 PM

For your info - I will NOT be accepting any Day 1 challenges.

ntndeacon · 12-10-2006, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrith

My first vote for that would be ntn.

I admit that I am in general a quiet player. Especially true in the first couple of days in a game. I have made an incisive comment or two along the way.

Tyrith · 12-10-2006, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

I didn't get this, can you say more?

Using outside works to try to discern game rules is very dangerous because the GM probably isn't going to put all that flavor into the game like that. It's drawing conclusions that probably aren't there. We shouldn't read stuff into the situation that isn't there; I think it's a big reason why we end up with random bad lynches sometimes.

st.cronin · 12-10-2006, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

For your info - I will NOT be accepting any Day 1 challenges.

If nobody else changes their vote, I believe you will have no choice.

Blade6119 · 12-10-2006, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

For your info - I will NOT be accepting any Day 1 challenges.

If we put you top two, you dont have a choice

Alan T · 12-10-2006, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

I disagree...in every story ive read about them, they were swordsman. The cardinals guard had marksmen, but the musketeers were swordsman. I, rightly or wrongly, expect the game to follow suite.

Much like i expect there to be 3 musketeers, and possibly 4 with dartanion (or whatever is name is)

I think this goes back to what I was talking about yesterday a bit when I asked if anyone was familiar with this part of the theme/story of the musketeers. I'm not very versed in it, and after no one really replied yesterday I did a bit research on wikipedia. Some comments I have regarding this are:

According to wikipedia:

- There were many many more musketeers than the 3 musketeers + d'Artagnan at one point, they were a fighting company in the royal household
- The "Three musketeers + d'Artagnan" were simply the only ones who didn't turn in their stuff when the musketeers were disbanded by the cardinal later on (as far as I can tell from reading).. but from what I know, this happens after the setting we currently are in for this game.
- THe musketeers were called such because they were the forces armed with -muskets- or guns.

The problem I have is I haven't finished all of the reading, and I still havent figured out how the musketeers were at odds with the cardinal guard before later after this setting in theme, and part of me wonders if it really even matters for the purpose of this game.

So all I can conclude though is that I wouldn't be suprised to see if a musketeer was formidable with a musket. I wouldn't be suprised if a musketeer is formidable with a sword, and I wouldn't be suprised if they all necessarily have to be.

I also feel that since as far as I know, this is before the time of the 3 musketeers, that we might not be locked into those three (or 4) per say.. I might be wrong on that though, but think of games this size 3 or 4 is likely a reasonable guess for wolves anyways to start with so no big deal either way to me.

BrianD · 12-10-2006, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrith

Using outside works to try to discern game rules is very dangerous because the GM probably isn't going to put all that flavor into the game like that. It's drawing conclusions that probably aren't there. We shouldn't read stuff into the situation that isn't there; I think it's a big reason why we end up with random bad lynches sometimes.

OK, I think I remember the situation you are talking about now. These games tend to all blur together for me and I have trouble remembering details from specific games.

Tyrith · 12-10-2006, 05:49 PM

Gonna be gone for a while, at least an hour and a half, maybe as long as until 8 CST or so.

Fouts · 12-10-2006, 05:49 PM

Why not?

Fouts · 12-10-2006, 05:51 PM

Says here I can refuse.

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Challenges – As gentleman often disagree so strongly with one another and at times feel they have been dishonored or greatly offended, you have the gentleman’s right to challenge. Anyone can challenge another to a duel, by calling out the offender and dropping his glove in challenge. The challenged has the right to refuse or accept. A challenge that has been accepted, will result in a duel to 3rd blood at the end of the day round.

dubb93 · 12-10-2006, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

There is a lot of information out there - particularly in the Dubb vs the World stuff from earlier - but I don't feel like I have enough context yet to evaluate it properly.

And that is exactly what I'm going for.

st.cronin · 12-10-2006, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

Why not?

If nobody gets a majority, top two vote getters duel to the death. It's a pretty cool idea, actually!

Alan T · 12-10-2006, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrith

This is very, very dangerous. Alan in the LotR game. That's all I've got to say to get my point across, I believe.

I think in this case, he's wrong anyways. Traditionally the musketeers were called such because they were the company armed with muskets. I see no reason why there can't be an expert gunsman in the group due to that.

But I agree, I learned my lesson that game that theme and WW games don't necessarily always match.

Blade6119 · 12-10-2006, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

Says here I can refuse.

This isnt a challenge were talking about:

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Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Votes are caste each day to lynch. A majority must be reached in order to execute a consensus lynch. If a majority is not reached, then the top two vote recipients will duel to 3rd Blood (death). If there is a tie in votes for the top two vote recipients, the GM will determine the tie breaker and who will duel

In this setting you cannot refuse...were not referring to a challenge, which you can refuse. Were referring to this voting rule, which you cant refuse it would seem.

Fouts · 12-10-2006, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

If nobody gets a majority, top two vote getters duel to the death. It's a pretty cool idea, actually!

Can you point that out in the rules, I can't find it.

dubb93 · 12-10-2006, 05:55 PM

Sorry for my lack of activity today guys, but I do have to work and I'm on my lunch. Tried to skim through the couple pages since last night, but I will be out until the deadline(10pm I get off work.) Wish I could be more active today, but work calls. See ya after 10.

ntndeacon · 12-10-2006, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrith

VOTE NTNDEACON

I don't like the way dubb has acted lately. It seems like one of those things that is going to cause a fight eventually, and I'm afraid he might catch me in it. That is not a game concern, but a personal concern, but I would like to note that the lack of fighting lately has been really nice. That said...sigh, I'm willing to let it go for today, unless he tries to wade into it again.

My concern with ntn is that he has a history of being able to duck pressure for a long time because of the quietness. He can wind up being the kind of UTR player Alan was talking about that gets ignored because of other things or crazy whims. So if I'm not going to vote for the person I really want gone but rather to vote for the person that could cause the most trouble if he was bad, this is where it has to go.

When I have been called out. I have given reasons not to vote for me. Yes, iam quiet. I imagine I will continue to be. I don't like making posts for the sake of just making posts. so especially early when ihave no clue who is a bad guy , I tend to be sparse with my words. I have a feeling that once Ido become evil iwill be rooted out quickly, as Isuspect that I have been an early viewing target of the seer on some occasions because of my quiet nature. I think there are others who would and have caused more damage than I would if and when ibecome bad. (I imagine it will happen eventually if I keep playing. lol)

Fouts · 12-10-2006, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

This isnt a challenge were talking about:

In this setting you cannot refuse...were not referring to a challenge, which you can refuse. Were referring to this voting rule, which you cant refuse it would seem.

Oh ok. I see it now. Again I will state, I will NOT accept any Day 1 challenges.

ntndeacon · 12-10-2006, 06:11 PM

I know that you can go overboard in dealing with the literature. but there were links between LotR and our WW game . Bill Ferny for example. He was malicious in the book (if iremember correctly) And Bill Ferny in the game was evil. One example but Ithink there were others too.

I have seen a link in this game too. I don't know if it is a valid one or not. But I want to share it with you still. Especially if I am to duel later. If iremember the story correctly, one of the musketeers was in training to be a priest. Aramis, I think.

I say this because I think I remember that someone here mentioned they were training to be a priest as well. Ineed to go back and find the post. Cuz Ican't remember who said it.

Fouts · 12-10-2006, 06:12 PM

It appears I killed all the discussion. I did find something in the rules;

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All Cardinals Guard have been relieved of their pistols and muskets. Of course each man has retained a rapier and dagger, as no gentleman would be left unarmed.

So where do the firearms skills come into effect?

BrianD · 12-10-2006, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

It appears I killed all the discussion. I did find something in the rules;

So where do the firearms skills come into effect?

I believe it says duelists are given pistols.

dubb93 · 12-10-2006, 06:13 PM

For time than I thought. I have an hour, but I'm going to do a couple of things.

First off, Barkeep, I'm picking the golve up for right now.

UNVOTE LATHUM

VOTE TYRITH

Personal attacks have no place in this game. What you said in the last page had nothing to do with this game and to be frank, I don't want you in this game as a result. Its a game of werewolf. If I want to get into my "hardass" role and play within the confines of the game I will. Duels are a part of this game, if I want to challenge anyone I want to to one I will. You attacked me, Blade and Fouts on the last page. I have yet to personally attack anyone, ever without cause. In fact, my only blowup I recall was with Fozzie, a game in which I simply removed myself from play b/c he was trolling both me and Blade.

However if the group at large is stating that we can only play this game one way, I will remove myself from this game. I have no interest in keeping the same playstyle from game to game.

Fouts · 12-10-2006, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

I know that you can go overboard in dealing with the literature. but there were links between LotR and our WW game . Bill Ferny for example. He was malicious in the book (if iremember correctly) And Bill Ferny in the game was evil. One example but Ithink there were others too.

I have seen a link in this game too. I don't know if it is a valid one or not. But I want to share it with you still. Especially if I am to duel later. If iremember the story correctly, one of the musketeers was in training to be a priest. Aramis, I think.

I say this because I think I remember that someone here mentioned they were training to be a priest as well. Ineed to go back and find the post. Cuz Ican't remember who said it.

Wow, great catch. That was st.cronin.

ntndeacon · 12-10-2006, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

I have recieved my role. Loyal cardinal guard here. I am apparently studying to be a priest, which I find amusing.

Here is the post Iam referring too.

BrianD · 12-10-2006, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

I know that you can go overboard in dealing with the literature. but there were links between LotR and our WW game . Bill Ferny for example. He was malicious in the book (if iremember correctly) And Bill Ferny in the game was evil. One example but Ithink there were others too.

From my research, I thought Bill was weak and greedy, not necessarily evil. In the game...I was very evil.

Mr. Wednesday · 12-10-2006, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I do remember one time that we had a game with no soothsayer role where someone (maybe it was barkeep? I don't remember who) made the observation closer to the end of the game that checking in everyone had said they were a "villager" except those who were wolves at the start.

Three (or is it four?) straight games (including this one), I've refused to issue the "standard villager" welcome message. Prior to this game, I've been proven to be a good guy in each of them. This game, I claim to be a good guy, but that is yet to be proved.

ntndeacon · 12-10-2006, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

From my research, I thought Bill was weak and greedy, not necessarily evil. In the game...I was very evil.

I don't remember the book that well, as it has been some time. I do remember you being unwilling to share that name. I think that he was the most maligned character from Bree. (I think but am not sure, as Isaid it has been some time since I read it.)

My point is though, that perhaps Alan (and the rest of us) overplayed the connection, there is something to be said for it.

ntndeacon · 12-10-2006, 06:21 PM

I admit this isn't much to go on, but is better than my random vote earlier.

Unvote Brian
Vote St. Cronin

BrianD · 12-10-2006, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

I don't remember the book that well, as it has been some time. I do remember you being unwilling to share that name. I think that he was the most maligned character from Bree. (I think but am not sure, as Isaid it has been some time since I read it.)

My point is though, that perhaps Alan (and the rest of us) overplayed the connection, there is something to be said for it.

There may be something to be made of the connection. I just really hesitate to put too much faith into something like that. People are all going to give their names at some point, and I would be surprised if roles would normally be identifiable by the names. Flavor is good, but people familiar with the setting shouldn't get that advantage. At least that is the way I think it should be. That doesn't mean that is the way it is.

st.cronin · 12-10-2006, 06:24 PM

What does it mean that I am studying to be a priest? Doesn't that actually reinforce my cardinal-ness?

I'm not familiar with the stories, mind you. All I know is what was in my pm. I am loyal to the cardinal, and studying to be a priest.

ntndeacon · 12-10-2006, 06:27 PM

Assuming Iam around tomorrow, I can see going an entirely different way then. But for a day 1 vote, it is something that ican see. I always think that I cant see enough. So I will take what I can.

Lathum · 12-10-2006, 06:28 PM

so could St. Cronin be the turncoat?

ntndeacon · 12-10-2006, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

What does it mean that I am studying to be a priest? Doesn't that actually reinforce my cardinal-ness?

I'm not familiar with the stories, mind you. All I know is what was in my pm. I am loyal to the cardinal, and studying to be a priest.

You may very well be. As i said it is a small thing probably. But since one of the Muskateers in the book was also studying to be a priest, it gives me something to stand on.

Lathum · 12-10-2006, 06:29 PM

Dubb- I enjoy playing the game with you and have never had a problem. SOme of my favorite moments are me abusing you

Fouts · 12-10-2006, 06:32 PM

Best info out there right now is the studying to be a priest statement.

unvote Chief Rum
vote st. cronin

st.cronin · 12-10-2006, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

You may very well be. As i said it is a small thing probably. But since one of the Muskateers in the book was also studying to be a priest, it gives me something to stand on.

You are way off base.

ntndeacon · 12-10-2006, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

You are way off base.

It would not be the first time I was, Cronin. Ivery easily could be wrong.

st.cronin · 12-10-2006, 06:37 PM

If I get lynched because of something that somebody claims they read in a BOOK I am going to be upset. You people are crazy.

st.cronin · 12-10-2006, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

It would not be the first time I was, Cronin. Ivery easily could be wrong.

You are. Go back and read all my posts.

Fouts · 12-10-2006, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

If I get lynched because of something that somebody claims they read in a BOOK I am going to be upset. You people are crazy.

Don't worry, you have a chance to defend yourself in a duel.

st.cronin · 12-10-2006, 06:42 PM

I am going to make it absolutely clear when I run my game that using information gleaned from outside sources (wikipedia, book, movie, etc) will result in that player being removed from the game. I think it's absolute bush.

LoneStarGirl · 12-10-2006, 06:43 PM

I do not have bold on firefox for some reason. I hope you take this Gram

VOTE ST CRONIN

LoneStarGirl · 12-10-2006, 06:44 PM

he voted for me first, and GE and I are sharing a computer and he is making me get off so he can play poker. Ill be on tomorrow morning

BrianD · 12-10-2006, 06:45 PM

I'm assuming this is one of those cases where outside knowledge of the setting is dangerous. People with the Musketeer roles are probably going to be giving out as little info as possible. They never know what details will get them killed, so they usually don't give any out. The fact that Cronin was so happy to give out his interesting "random fact" leads me to believe he is OK.

12-10-2006, 05:41 PM	#352
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Seriously, though - Fouts is top man right now. I'll switch on to ntndeacon, which makes Fouts and ntn 1-2. unvote Lonestargirl vote ntndeacon __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

12-10-2006, 06:24 PM	#386
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	What does it mean that I am studying to be a priest? Doesn't that actually reinforce my cardinal-ness? I'm not familiar with the stories, mind you. All I know is what was in my pm. I am loyal to the cardinal, and studying to be a priest. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

12-10-2006, 06:37 PM	#394
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	If I get lynched because of something that somebody claims they read in a BOOK I am going to be upset. You people are crazy. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

12-10-2006, 06:42 PM	#397
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I am going to make it absolutely clear when I run my game that using information gleaned from outside sources (wikipedia, book, movie, etc) will result in that player being removed from the game. I think it's absolute bush. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

12-10-2006, 05:43 PM	#354
BrianD Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	Considering how crappy day 1 votes are, I also like the idea of letting the unfortunate early vote-getters have a fighting chance to live. It will still suck for the first person that goes out, but at least it won't be a total railroad job.

12-10-2006, 05:45 PM	#357
Fouts College Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California	For your info - I will NOT be accepting any Day 1 challenges.

12-10-2006, 05:49 PM	#364
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	Gonna be gone for a while, at least an hour and a half, maybe as long as until 8 CST or so.

12-10-2006, 05:49 PM	#365
Fouts College Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California	Why not?

12-10-2006, 05:55 PM	#372
dubb93 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2004	Sorry for my lack of activity today guys, but I do have to work and I'm on my lunch. Tried to skim through the couple pages since last night, but I will be out until the deadline(10pm I get off work.) Wish I could be more active today, but work calls. See ya after 10.

12-10-2006, 06:11 PM	#375
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	I know that you can go overboard in dealing with the literature. but there were links between LotR and our WW game . Bill Ferny for example. He was malicious in the book (if iremember correctly) And Bill Ferny in the game was evil. One example but Ithink there were others too. I have seen a link in this game too. I don't know if it is a valid one or not. But I want to share it with you still. Especially if I am to duel later. If iremember the story correctly, one of the musketeers was in training to be a priest. Aramis, I think. I say this because I think I remember that someone here mentioned they were training to be a priest as well. Ineed to go back and find the post. Cuz Ican't remember who said it.

12-10-2006, 06:13 PM	#378
dubb93 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2004	For time than I thought. I have an hour, but I'm going to do a couple of things. First off, Barkeep, I'm picking the golve up for right now. UNVOTE LATHUM VOTE TYRITH Personal attacks have no place in this game. What you said in the last page had nothing to do with this game and to be frank, I don't want you in this game as a result. Its a game of werewolf. If I want to get into my "hardass" role and play within the confines of the game I will. Duels are a part of this game, if I want to challenge anyone I want to to one I will. You attacked me, Blade and Fouts on the last page. I have yet to personally attack anyone, ever without cause. In fact, my only blowup I recall was with Fozzie, a game in which I simply removed myself from play b/c he was trolling both me and Blade. However if the group at large is stating that we can only play this game one way, I will remove myself from this game. I have no interest in keeping the same playstyle from game to game.

12-10-2006, 06:21 PM	#384
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	I admit this isn't much to go on, but is better than my random vote earlier. Unvote Brian Vote St. Cronin

12-10-2006, 06:27 PM	#387
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	Assuming Iam around tomorrow, I can see going an entirely different way then. But for a day 1 vote, it is something that ican see. I always think that I cant see enough. So I will take what I can.

12-10-2006, 06:28 PM	#388
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	so could St. Cronin be the turncoat?

12-10-2006, 06:29 PM	#390
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Dubb- I enjoy playing the game with you and have never had a problem. SOme of my favorite moments are me abusing you

12-10-2006, 06:32 PM	#391
Fouts College Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California	Best info out there right now is the studying to be a priest statement. unvote Chief Rum vote st. cronin

12-10-2006, 06:43 PM	#398
LoneStarGirl College Starter Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Little Rock, AR	I do not have bold on firefox for some reason. I hope you take this Gram VOTE ST CRONIN

12-10-2006, 06:44 PM	#399
LoneStarGirl College Starter Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Little Rock, AR	he voted for me first, and GE and I are sharing a computer and he is making me get off so he can play poker. Ill be on tomorrow morning

12-10-2006, 06:45 PM	#400
BrianD Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	I'm assuming this is one of those cases where outside knowledge of the setting is dangerous. People with the Musketeer roles are probably going to be giving out as little info as possible. They never know what details will get them killed, so they usually don't give any out. The fact that Cronin was so happy to give out his interesting "random fact" leads me to believe he is OK.

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