POTUS 2016 General Election Discussion Thread

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by digamma

Well a tie is bad for DJT but what debate are you watching? One is speaking in specifics. One is talking about bad hombres. Big league.

I am thinking in terms of impact on undecideds and those considering not voting. Substance doesn't really have much to do with that. "Wow. She said it. she's gonna take our guns, keep abortion legal, and let the Mexicans stay and he's gonna do the opposite. I don't like him, but I guess I oughta vote for him."

On those issues, I am seeing him convince nevertrumpers and nose holders why they "should" vote for him. I don't think specifics matter there.

[tarcone]

Good job by HRC on her economic plan.

[RedKingGold]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

I am thinking in terms of impact on undecideds and those considering not voting. Substance doesn't really have much to do with that. "Wow. She said it. she's gonna take our guns, keep abortion legal, and let the Mexicans stay and he's gonna do the opposite. I don't like him, but I guess I oughta vote for him."

On those issues, I am seeing him convince nevertrumpers and nose holders why they "should" vote for him. I don't think specifics matter there.

Undecideds who would think this way are not truly undecideds though. If you are referring to Trump fleers who will come back to the flock, then yes.

[RedKingGold]

Originally Posted by tarcone

HRC stunned by the $250000 open border comments. Pivots to Trump wanting Putin to influence the election. Nice try. Didnt work.

Mellow Trump is punching HRC in the balls. And HRCs responses are not real good.

Interesting so far. I see Trump ahead. HRC cannot win a debate that is mudslinging. She needs to go back to the 1st debate plan.

Did you actually care to read the email that Matthews was quoting from, or does that even really matter?

[tarcone]

Though she does play fast and loose with stats. As all do.

[tarcone]

Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Did you actually care to read the email that Matthews was quoting from, or does that even really matter?

As HRC said "I was talking an energy plan, a grid for all of the hemisphere"?

Is that it?

So I want my energy tied to Socialist Venezuela, that hates the USA? No

Im a nationalist. Not a globalist. Pretty simple.

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by tarcone

Though she does play fast and loose with stats. As all do.

Dude, seriously, you're calling her the one who plays fast and loose and supporting the guy who makes up the most preposterous statements, then denies that he ever said them, then after he's called on it, blames others for rigging the system. That's as close a comparison as apples and manhole covers.

[RedKingGold]

Originally Posted by tarcone

As HRC said "I was talking an energy plan, a grid for all of the hemisphere"?

Is that it?

So I want my energy tied to Socialist Venezuela, that hates the USA? No

Im a nationalist. Not a globalist. Pretty simple.

So, your answer is "no". Thanks.

[tarcone]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

Dude, seriously, you're calling her the one who plays fast and loose and supporting the guy who makes up the most preposterous statements, then denies that he ever said them, then after he's called on it, blames others for rigging the system. That's as close a comparison as apples and manhole covers.

I dont think Im supporting Trump.

But when HRC says Obama cut the deficit by 2/3rds, sounds like playing with stas, maybe Im wrong.

Of course, you blind HRC supporters are best at putting others down.

Typical.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Is it just me or is Chris Wallace looking very very nervous?

Sounds like his voice is wavering every now and then.

[RedKingGold]

Originally Posted by tarcone

I dont think Im supporting Trump.

But when HRC says Obama cut the deficit by 2/3rds, sounds like playing with stas, maybe Im wrong.

Of course, you blind HRC supporters are best at putting others down.

Typical.

You poor victim you.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Undecideds who would think this way are not truly undecideds though. If you are referring to Trump fleers who will come back to the flock, then yes.

Yes, I have always operated under the assumption that in this election, a much-higher-than-usual number (perhaps a plurality) of the undecideds are deciding between The Republican, a third party, and not voting.

[Ben E Lou]

Dola: they may not be truly "undecideds" by surely some of them are responding to polls as undecideds, no?

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Holy shit. Did Trump really say, "Bad hombres?"

If Biden can pull out "malarkey" every now and then, I'm willing to give Trump "bad hombres."

[tarcone]

Originally Posted by RedKingGold

So, your answer is "no". Thanks.

You go. Its awesome HRC takes millions of dollars from foreign governments and tells them what they want to hear. And you play it off as what should happen.

So, yeah, Im not wasting my time reading HRC getting caught. Maybe the Fox moderator isnt as smart as you when he called her out. Of course you probably have read everything HRC has ever written.

The professional journalist moderating the debate was just making shit up.
Got it.

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by tarcone

Im a nationalist. Not a globalist. Pretty simple.

How did that work for Herbert Hoover?

[tarcone]

Originally Posted by RedKingGold

You poor victim you.

Ah, yes. Attack others with your feelings. A beautiful liberal tactic. Well played, sir. Well played.

[digamma]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

I am thinking in terms of impact on undecideds and those considering not voting. Substance doesn't really have much to do with that. "Wow. She said it. she's gonna take our guns, keep abortion legal, and let the Mexicans stay and he's gonna do the opposite. I don't like him, but I guess I oughta vote for him."

On those issues, I am seeing him convince nevertrumpers and nose holders why they "should" vote for him. I don't think specifics matter there.

I don't disagree with this.

Well maybe until the women answer.

[RedKingGold]

Originally Posted by tarcone

Ah, yes. Attack others with your feelings. A beautiful liberal tactic. Well played, sir. Well played.

It's just facts man. Sorry that knowledge hurts your feelings.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by digamma

I don't disagree with this.

Well maybe until the women answer.

Hey, nobody has more respect for women than him.

Nobody.

#WhatOnEarth

[tarcone]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

How did that work for Herbert Hoover?

"Many history teachers claim that Herbert Hoover was a “do-nothing” passive president who allowed the Great Depression to happen. Quite the opposite is true. Far from being an advocate of laissez-faire, Hoover was an extremely interventionist president. Hoover actually intervened in the economy more than any prior president.

Herbert Hoover’s interventionist policies prolonged the Great Depression. He doubled federal spending in real terms in just four years. One of Hoover’s first acts as president was to prohibit business leaders from cutting wages. He also launched huge public works projects such as the San Francisco Bay Bridge, Los Angeles Aqueduct, and Hoover Dam. Hoover signed the Smoot-Hawley tariff into law in June 1930 which raised taxes on over 20,000 imported goods to record levels. He raised the top income tax rate from 25 percent to 63 percent and the lowest income tax rate from 1.1 percent to 4 percent in 1932. Despite what most of us have been taught, there was nothing laissez-faire about Hoover.

In the 1932 election, Franklin Delano Roosevelt (FDR) criticized his opponent Hoover of presiding over “the greatest spending administration in peacetime in all of history.”

Sounds like Clintons plan, doesnt it?

[tarcone]

Originally Posted by RedKingGold

It's just facts man. Sorry that knowledge hurts your feelings.

Yes, knowledge that you believe. My knowledge of the issue is different.

My feelings arent hurt. It takes more than name calling by liberals to hurt my feelings. It all you got. Shout down those that disagree with you. Call them racist, sexist. same play, different theme.

[tarcone]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

Hey, nobody has more respect for women than him.

Nobody.

#WhatOnEarth

Yeah, he blew that one. At least say, yeah, I screwed up there. I love me a good woman. At least he would have been more believable.

[Ben E Lou]

Trump doubling down on "rigged system" and refusing to pledge to accept the results.

[tarcone]

Wallace has been the best moderator of the 3 debates.

[tarcone]

HRC hammering Trump on the rigged issue.

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by tarcone

Many history teachers claim that Herbert Hoover was a “do-nothing” passive president who allowed the Great Depression to happen. Quite the opposite is true. Far from being an advocate of laissez-faire, Hoover was an extremely interventionist president. Hoover actually intervened in the economy more than any prior president.

Herbert Hoover’s interventionist policies prolonged the Great Depression. He doubled federal spending in real terms in just four years. One of Hoover’s first acts as president was to prohibit business leaders from cutting wages. He also launched huge public works projects such as the San Francisco Bay Bridge, Los Angeles Aqueduct, and Hoover Dam. Hoover signed the Smoot-Hawley tariff into law in June 1930 which raised taxes on over 20,000 imported goods to record levels. He raised the top income tax rate from 25 percent to 63 percent and the lowest income tax rate from 1.1 percent to 4 percent in 1932. Despite what most of us have been taught, there was nothing laissez-faire about Hoover.

In the 1932 election, Franklin Delano Roosevelt (FDR) criticized his opponent Hoover of presiding over “the greatest spending administration in peacetime in all of history.”

Sounds like Clintons plan, doesnt it?

Point being that internationally the idea that we allow the world to just go off on it's own, without committing resources to it. I was speaking in regard to international relations. The world moved on and our diplomacy was completely hands off. It ultimately lead to the rise of Germany, and many conflicts world wide.

International diplomacy says that we need to spend money in areas that may seem like wasted money, but it's extremely important for the order of the world.

You can't simply pull out and let the chips fall where they may because you are a nationalist and that nationalism is the only thing that matters.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by tarcone

HRC hammering Trump on the rigged issue.

Yeah, and I've been seeing that one as a bipartisan issue. I think she hurt him on that one.

[RedKingGold]

Originally Posted by tarcone

Wallace has been the best moderator of the 3 debates.

I agree.

[Ben E Lou]

Heh. HRC campaign staff earned a tip just now.

Trump on losing the Emmy tonight: "I should've won." #DebateNight

Trump on losing the Emmy in 2012, 2013, and 2014: pic.twitter.com/EQsmBStnC0

— Hillary Clinton (@HillaryClinton) October 20, 2016

[sabotai]

Clinton is getting in a lot of good hits, but then she ruins it a bit by not stopping. Got to finish on the cymbal crash, Hillary! (Yeah, I turned it on. I'm a masochist I guess.)

[cartman]

In an interview next year, Trump is going to look an interviewer in the eyes and say "I never ran for President"

[kingfc22]

"I'll see at the time"...really. This guy is a lunatic who won't even say if he will accept the result of a US election.

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by tarcone

Wallace has been the best moderator of the 3 debates.

By far.

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

"I'll see at the time"...really. This guy is a lunatic who won't even say if he will accept the result of a US election.

And they didn't press him or call him on it.

[sabotai]

So now the Iraqi army is in cahoots with Hillary and trying to help her win the election. That's the only reason they are fighting for Mosul right now.

[tarcone]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

Point being that internationally the idea that we allow the world to just go off on it's own, without committing resources to it. I was speaking in regard to international relations. The world moved on and our diplomacy was completely hands off. It ultimately lead to the rise of Germany, and many conflicts world wide.

International diplomacy says that we need to spend money in areas that may seem like wasted money, but it's extremely important for the order of the world.

You can't simply pull out and let the chips fall where they may because you are a nationalist and that nationalism is the only thing that matters.

There were a lot of issues that led to World War 2. After WW1, England and France were the big dogs. Not the USA. We didnt have the ability to do anything. And England and France crippled Germany and pissed off Japan.
This led to WW2. Not a hands off approach by the USA.

The conflicts that happen in the world will happen with or without the USA. The Middle East has been a mess for thousands of years. In fact, Britain made it worse by imposing borders on the area. France started in Viet Nam long before we got there. They got their asses handed to them just like we did.

The only thing that holds the Middle East together are strong armed leaders. This is the reason Daddy Bush stopped before taking Hussein out. And it was Son Bushes biggest mistake, besides going into Iraq, was taking Hussein out.

International diplomacy is way too expensive. Im in favor of shutting down our military bases world wide. Im in favor of putting our military on our borders.

The Billions or Trillions of dollars saved would make our country much stronger.

[PilotMan]

Why is Trump's mike louder than either Wallace or Clinton?

[digamma]

Trump doesn't look as orange tonight. And needs a haircut. Are we sure this is the same Trump? Many people are saying that.

[tarcone]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

Why is Trump's mike louder than either Wallace or Clinton?

Fox in charge. Clinton got the mic advantage earlier. Trump gets it tonight.

[tarcone]

Trump is right about Aleppo and Assad. He needs to stay. Otherwise you get Iraq 2.
Then again it would be Russias cross to bear and dump lots of money into to. Maybe taking Assad out wouldnt be a bad idea.

[jbergey22]

Trump "I have more respect for women than anyone." -Quote of the year

[SirFozzie]

All three debates have gone kinda the same way..

Beginning of the debate, Trump manages to not be awful

D Supporters: WTF, C'mon Hillary, make him rage! You need to be prodding!
R Supporters: YES! Finally, his advisors got through to him. Now pound Clinton, but don't go overboard!

About a half hour in, D supporters are getting a bit worried, and R supporters are feeling the hope.

Then Trump's limit is reached. He makes an out of left field comment.

D Supporters: Oooh, I like this.
R Supporters: No! That was just a bobble. get back on track, get back on track..

Trump continues to devolve, prodded into a rage and getting gibberishy-word salad/y

D: This is the Trump we came to see!
R: I want to pour bleach in my eyes right now.
(Breitbart): THIS IS OUR PRESIDENT! HE'S FOR US! HE'S LIKE US! WE'D ALL BE INCOHERENT WITH RAGE ON STAGE TOO!

[Jas_lov]

Syria, Russia, Iran and ISIS are smart. We are dumb. Vote for me, folks.

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by tarcone

The only thing that holds the Middle East together are strong armed leaders. This is the reason Daddy Bush stopped before taking Hussein out. And it was Son Bushes biggest mistake, besides going into Iraq, was taking Hussein out.

International diplomacy is way too expensive. Im in favor of shutting down our military bases world wide. Im in favor of putting our military on our borders.

The Billions or Trillions of dollars saved would make our country much stronger.

Putting your head in the sand the ignoring world events puts the planet at risk. It's a much bigger cost than a few trillion dollars.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

All three debates have gone kinda the same way..

Beginning of the debate, Trump manages to not be awful

D Supporters: WTF, C'mon Hillary, make him rage! You need to be prodding!
R Supporters: YES! Finally, his advisors got through to him. Now pound Clinton, but don't go overboard!

About a half hour in, D supporters are getting a bit worried, and R supporters are feeling the hope.

Then Trump's limit is reached. He makes an out of left field comment.

D Supporters: Oooh, I like this.
R Supporters: No! That was just a bobble. get back on track, get back on track..

Trump continues to devolve, prodded into a rage and getting gibberishy-word salad/y

D: This is the Trump we came to see!
R: I want to pour bleach in my eyes right now.
(Breitbart): THIS IS OUR PRESIDENT! HE'S FOR US! HE'S LIKE US! WE'D ALL BE INCOHERENT WITH RAGE ON STAGE TOO!

2nd debate Trump started horribly then recovered.

[tarcone]

Its funny how you minimze what Trump says. I dont think he is saying :we are dumb" I think it is more "Obama and Clinton are dumb"

Guess what? Thats what his supporters want. And, as someone said earlier, what he needs to do to get his flee-ers back. Which he needs badly.

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by tarcone

Trump is right about Aleppo and Assad. He needs to stay. Otherwise you get Iraq 2.
Then again it would be Russias cross to bear and dump lots of money into to. Maybe taking Assad out wouldnt be a bad idea.

Support Assad until the area becomes stable, negotiate a peaceful transfer of power. Assad cannot stay and get help. It's one or the other. Trump wants us out and then he says that Russia gained land during a cease fire. Was he suggesting that we engage in open conflict against Russian aggression?

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

Putting your head in the sand the ignoring world events puts the planet at risk. It's a much bigger cost than a few trillion dollars.

Putting our boots in the sand has not made us safer and it still cost us a few trillion dollars.

[Ben E Lou]

Did he jsut say "such a nasty woman?"