POTUS 2024 - Harris vs Trump - General Election Discussion

[Ben E Lou]

He had two backpacks of ceramic tile hanging from the fence. It looks like they were a makeshift shield and he was going to try to shoot from between them. Latest indications are that he never fired a shot. The Secret Service was one or two holes ahead of Trump clearing the area and spotted him. When they fired, he ran.

[Ben E Lou]

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[RainMaker]

I won't post in here anymore. The same 5 guys can continue the Blue MAGA circlejerk. It's not a big deal. You'd think after most of you humiliated yourselves pretending Biden was of sound mind all year, you would question your political instincts. But it looks like you all memoryholed that and just pretend this is what you wanted the whole time.

Then again, most of you changed your beliefs in January 2021 and will do it again on January 2025 if Trump wins.

[Ksyrup]

These fucknuts are trying to win the election for Trump. He's already got a HOF persecution complex and is the biggest whiner/complainer/professional victim in the world.. Adding multiple assassination attempts is only going to help him.

[thesloppy]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

I won't post in here anymore.

Certainly don't do anything on my account, I was just weighing in on how useless blocking is.

[Ksyrup]

Assuming this is him and accurate, it appears he was a Trump supporter who soured on Trump and became Tulsi Gabbard fan. Maybe he was hoping to eliminate Trump and Gabbard steps in? Who the hell knows.

So the suspect is apparently Ryan Routh.

> He is very pro-Ukraine
> He was disavowed by Ukrainian militia
> He voted for Trump in 2016
> He was also pro-Tulsi

Why is it always their own?? pic.twitter.com/7Mw8I1sktK

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[Ben E Lou]

His Twitter account is…wow.

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Fun fact: he’s registered to vote right here in Greensboro!

[Ben E Lou]

https://voterrecords.com/voter/46985875/ryan-routh

[GrantDawg]

Those are some crazy eyes, man.

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[Ben E Lou]

Arrested here in 2002…and had a fully automatic weapon on him: MAN WITH GUN BARRICADES SELF INSIDE BUSINESS

[Ben E Lou]

He’ll be painted by the right as having TDS, as there are some really strong anti-Trump tweets, but it seems clear that dude was pretty deranged long before Trump would have become the focus of said derangement.

It appears that he had moved to Hawaii, and he may have gone to Ukraine recently, but it’s still a bit unsettling that this dude was here, lived in our part of town, was that unhinged, and with access to automatic weaponry.

[Edward64]

Consider the source but there apparently are witnesses. Looking forward to Guilfoyle's reaction (or not). So much drama!

Donald Trump Jr. is 'caught kissing' glamorous Palm Beach socialite Bettina Anderson during brunch date without fiancée Kimberly Guilfoyle | Daily Mail Online

Donald Trump Jr. is 'caught kissing' glamorous Palm Beach socialite Bettina Anderson during brunch date without fiancée Kimberly Guilfoyle

[Thomkal]

Like Father, like son, how sweet

[Atocep]

I can't believe he's been seen with a childless cat lady.

[thesloppy]

How many Republican politicians would have to get shot by Republican voters before gun control would be considered?

[Ghost Econ]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Donald Trump Jr. is 'caught kissing' glamorous Palm Beach socialite Bettina Anderson during brunch date without fiancée Kimberly Guilfoyle

The put the emPHASis on the wrong syLABle.

[Lathum]

Of course a Trump lacks the manners to take their hat off in a restaurant

[Ghost Econ]

RFK Jr says he faces federal investigation for beheading whale | Robert F Kennedy Jr | The Guardian

Not weird.

Also, do you think RFK, Jr. thinks 1994 was really only 20 years ago?

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

He’ll be painted by the right as having TDS, as there are some really strong anti-Trump tweets, but it seems clear that dude was pretty deranged long before Trump would have become the focus of said derangement.

It appears that he had moved to Hawaii, and he may have gone to Ukraine recently, but it’s still a bit unsettling that this dude was here, lived in our part of town, was that unhinged, and with access to automatic weaponry.

"He's a Republican!" "No, he's a Democrat!"....No, he is mentally ill with easy access to guns.

[Ben E Lou]

Is there some sort of "intent to assassinate" crime? I know that if it was an automatic, they've got him on that for sure, but if he never fired and never pointed it at anyone, what other charges are available?

[Ksyrup]

"I got bored and was just attempting to skeet shoot golf balls out of the air."

[albionmoonlight]

A lot of attempt crimes require the defendant to take a "substantial step" toward completing it. We might have that here.

Also, I'm sure he's guilty of trespass and other ticky-tack things that would normally not matter but will allow them to slow-walk his processing to keep him in the system for evaluation, etc.

[Ghost Econ]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

...but it’s still a bit unsettling that this dude was here, lived in our part of town, was that unhinged, and with access to automatic weaponry.

I hate to tell you, but he's not the only one that fits that description in this part of the country.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

Is there some sort of "intent to assassinate" crime? I know that if it was an automatic, they've got him on that for sure, but if he never fired and never pointed it at anyone, what other charges are available?

If he never pointed the gun at anyone, Florida is an open carry state.

[thesloppy]

This really is the strangest of political times, where an assassination attempt is practically just another crazy event to get shoved out of the news half-a-day later, by whatever the next crazy event will be.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by cartman

If he never pointed the gun at anyone, Florida is an open carry state.

He was still a good guy with a gun! He was protecting Trump, as far as anyone knows! No one even gave him a chance to prove he was a bad/mentally unstable guy with a gun. Whatever happened to a presumption of innocence, especially when exercising an unassailable, God-given right?

This country sucks, I tell you.

[cartman]

just goes to show how monumentally stupid these "constitutional carry" laws are

[Ben E Lou]

Possession of a firearm by a felon
Possession of a firearm with an obliterated serial number

[Dutch]

The Secret Service doesn’t shoot at everybody with a gun, but they shot at this guy. Probably because he was in an ambush stance, waiting for Trump to get into his sights. I would imagine that takes a lot of wind out of the sails of anyone suggesting he was “just a dude with a gun, open carrying”.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Dutch

The Secret Service doesn’t shoot at everybody with a gun, but they shot at this guy. Probably because he was in an ambush stance, waiting for Trump to get into his sights. I would imagine that takes a lot of wind out of the sails of anyone suggesting he was “just a dude with a gun, open carrying”.

I don't think you are permitted to violate the Constitutional rights of 2A advocates by taking the wind of out their sails.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Dutch

he was “just a dude with a gun, open carrying”.

But until he takes the shot that is exactly what he was...

[thesloppy]

Open carry and openly brandishing aren't the same thing.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by thesloppy

Open carry and openly brandishing aren't the same thing.

by all accounts he wasn't even spotted with the rifle.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by thesloppy

Open carry and openly brandishing aren't the same thing.

Not when it comes to penises. That's what the cops told me anyways.

[Lathum]

Two more schools in Springfield evacuated for bomb threats.

I can not wait until the current GOP is buried and all the swamp creatures crawl back into the bowels they emerged from 9 years ago

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Lathum

by all accounts he wasn't even spotted with the rifle.

Is this certain? I just read the criminal complaint and its not clear on this point. It says that the agent saw "what appeared to be a rifle poking out of the tree line." Doesn't indicate one way or the other if he was holding it.


On another note, the docs also say he was there from roughly 2AM until the time of the shooting. That might be the answer to the "how did he know Trump would be there" question that I keep hearing pundits talking about. Maybe he just assumed Trump *might* be playing golf there because...Sunday and Trump....and just got there when it was dark and waited.

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I can not wait until the current GOP is buried

Careful, tiger, that’s the kind of crap Ryan Roush was saying on the internet.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Dutch

Careful, tiger, that’s the kind of crap Ryan Roush was saying on the internet.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

Is this certain? I just read the criminal complaint and its not clear on this point. It says that the agent saw "what appeared to be a rifle poking out of the tree line." Doesn't indicate one way or the other if he was holding it.


On another note, the docs also say he was there from roughly 2AM until the time of the shooting. That might be the answer to the "how did he know Trump would be there" question that I keep hearing pundits talking about. Maybe he just assumed Trump *might* be playing golf there because...Sunday and Trump....and just got there when it was dark and waited.

From everything I’ve seen he fled the scene and was captured. Granted who knows what’s accurate and I agree on the whole “how did he know” Trump being on The golf course on a Sunday is basically a given.

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

Is this certain? I just read the criminal complaint and its not clear on this point. It says that the agent saw "what appeared to be a rifle poking out of the tree line." Doesn't indicate one way or the other if he was holding it.


On another note, the docs also say he was there from roughly 2AM until the time of the shooting. That might be the answer to the "how did he know Trump would be there" question that I keep hearing pundits talking about. Maybe he just assumed Trump *might* be playing golf there because...Sunday and Trump....and just got there when it was dark and waited.

The picture of the rifle does show it poking through a chain linked fence, so I could see where the question could come from that. No reports to add, but I’m fairly confident that a USSS member would have seen a person or saw the rifle moving before firing. It’s daylight, it’s not a covered
fence…so working through the scenario from the USSS POV, seems logical that they saw a threat. Might even have seen the scope
glint in the sun as he moved it around.

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by Lathum

From everything I’ve seen he fled the scene and was captured. Granted who knows what’s accurate and I agree on the whole “how did he know” Trump being on The golf course on a Sunday is basically a given.

Looks like a beautiful course.

[stevew]

Does Trump golf before or after church on Sunday

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by stevew

Does Trump golf before or after church on Sunday

I don’t know man, but the waterfalls coming over the cliffs and the island greens look truly enchanting. I’d like to play there some day. As I get older and have given up so many sports, golf is still on the board, though I hardly have time for it now, but it’s encouraging to see him still playing (and so well). Im looking forward to find the time to one day to hit the links regularly.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Dutch

The picture of the rifle does show it poking through a chain linked fence, so I could see where the question could come from that. No reports to add, but I’m fairly confident that a USSS member would have seen a person or saw the rifle moving before firing. It’s daylight, it’s not a covered
fence…so working through the scenario from the USSS POV, seems logical that they saw a threat. Might even have seen the scope
glint in the sun as he moved it around.

It will be interesting to know if there was a challenge before the shot. Meanwhile, they have the gun charges. I imagine there is a possibility of greater charges after they complete the investigation.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

It will be interesting to know if there was a challenge before the shot. Meanwhile, they have the gun charges. I imagine there is a possibility of greater charges after they complete the investigation.

If the gun was pointed at Trump like some articles suggest, I doubt the Secret Service would challenge before shooting.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

If the gun was pointed at Trump like some articles suggest, I doubt the Secret Service would challenge before shooting.

I thought Trump was two holes away.

[Ben E Lou]

Heh. Apparently dude went to two high schools:
1. The one that is a 4-minute drive from our house, where we're zoned to attend.
2. The one that our oldest currently attends because of the IB program there.


Some folks in Nextdoor here are saying that local news stations have been knocking on doors to see if they can find people who knew him. If the NW GSO address for him that someone posted in there is correct, it's probably less than a mile from my house as the crow flies, and is on one of my semi-common running routes.

[miked]

Originally Posted by Dutch

I don’t know man, but the waterfalls coming over the cliffs and the island greens look truly enchanting. I’d like to play there some day. As I get older and have given up so many sports, golf is still on the board, though I hardly have time for it now, but it’s encouraging to see him still playing (and so well). Im looking forward to find the time to one day to hit the links regularly.

Looks like the best way to hit the links regularly is to be elected president.

United States presidents who played golf: Joe Biden, Donald Trump

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Meanwhile, they have the gun charges. I imagine there is a possibility of greater charges after they complete the investigation.

In the charging docs the writer (I think it was an FBI agent) goes wayyyy out of his/her way to go into a fairly detailed (relative to the short length of the document) discussion about how because that type of gun isn't made in Florida, it's highly likely that he brought it across state and/or federal borders. It sure makes it look like the person who wrote the document believes that they've got something to charge him with in that arena as well.

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I thought Trump was two holes away.

It was definitely reported at one point yesterday as being "two holes away," but everything I've heard today indicates the gun was spotted while clearing the hole immediately ahead of Trump. But no indication either way that he ever pointed it at Trump, nor even at the Secret Service. (So, yeah, maybe it was just sitting there poking through the fence and he was nearby and not holding it at the time. If so, maybe that's why he's alive...)

[JPhillips]

Rich Lowry let his racist side out on a video interview.