LXXVII Spawn III: Game Over (See Post 4507) - Page 89

KWhit · 07-17-2008, 08:29 AM

And then there were 7.

KWhit · 07-17-2008, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Argh.

Why are Schmidty and Saldana Exhausted?

Good question.

claphamsa · 07-17-2008, 08:30 AM

killing jackyl ws hard work?

claphamsa · 07-17-2008, 08:31 AM

vote saldana!

lets get this lynchign sytarted.

jeheinz72 · 07-17-2008, 08:33 AM

So we're still looking at 1 starting spawn likely left. Possibly 1 more conversion-type, but are we still operating under the assumption that there is a starting one left?

KWhit · 07-17-2008, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

So we're still looking at 1 starting spawn likely left. Possibly 1 more conversion-type, but are we still operating under the assumption that there is a starting one left?

I am. Yes.

claphamsa · 07-17-2008, 08:36 AM

I dont hink it matters if he was a starter or not. FWIW YMMV

KWhit · 07-17-2008, 08:38 AM

Well, I'm assuming we still ahve the unaware spawn out there somewhere. That could be important to keep in mind.

Schmidty · 07-17-2008, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Argh.

Why are Schmidty and Saldana Exhausted?

Because I guarded the water supply. I sent a pm to BK saying that if I was able to sleep, do that, and if not, guard the water.

KWhit · 07-17-2008, 08:40 AM

Schmidty, what did you do last night?

KWhit · 07-17-2008, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

Schmidty, what did you do last night?

Never mind.

KWhit · 07-17-2008, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Because I guarded the water supply. I sent a pm to BK saying that if I was able to sleep, do that, and if not, guard the water.

Wait. What did you guard last night?

Schmidty · 07-17-2008, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

Wait. What did you guard last night?

The Water Plant, just like I said. That's all I can do, other than guard the cargo.

jeheinz72 · 07-17-2008, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

I dont hink it matters if he was a starter or not. FWIW YMMV

Well, personally I do think it matters. I think it much more unlikely that saldana was a starting spawn than a conversion.

KWhit · 07-17-2008, 08:45 AM

Didn't know if you meant the water plant or the cargo hold when you said guard the water.

jeheinz72 · 07-17-2008, 08:52 AM

So many questions prattling around me head.
First off, I'm not considering KWhit an alternative...yet. Again, if he's bad and considering they have to wipe us all out, that can wait.

With Jackal proven as good, I'm inclined to believe in the trust between he and PB.

Questions

- Why is saldana tired?
- Why are Danny and Clap not tired? (is that a mistake BK?) They should've worked on the beds.
- What was Danny's possible "read" on clap?
- Could saldana have been a starting spawn? If so, why would he perform so well in the missions knowing he'd get heat eventually just for being off the ship so often?
- How many people are going to (justifiably) look my way today?
- If Danny is unaware spawn, the only possibility, then did we just not get a Spawn Aware? If Spawn Aware is a triggered function, my guess is it'd be triggered by being near Spawn once. I'd be the only person left who could be that and I've been near Danny like 7 times
- Why hasn't Danny been getting reads on his daytime work, as BK said he should have been getting?
- Why would the Spawn kill Jackal? (ergo proving him as good, ergo proving PB as likely not lying about the AT and to an extent clap)
- Why not take out Danny who, if good, has some ability to detect spawn, the last such person to be able to do so?
- Could Schmidty be both starting spawn and duplicant? Could he have faked being a duplicant some how, faked clearing RendeR?

Oy vey.

jeheinz72 · 07-17-2008, 08:53 AM

So Schmidty, you're actually not allowed to sleep? Am I reading it right that it was your preference to do so but you weren't allowed to?

jeheinz72 · 07-17-2008, 08:58 AM

Danny, Saldana, Schmidty, Claphamsa, (me)

That's the list of people who it's plausible to vote for today. KWhit and PB I think are barking up the longshot tree far enough that they aren't worth the energy at this time.

Danny - Could have been starting spawn as he has an unverifiable and unproductive ability thus far. Was scanned by Pass, but could be Unaware. Would be a big whiff if we'd be wrong on that one.

Saldana - Seemingly unlikely to be starting spawn, but 45%+ chance he was converted at some point

Schmidty - Unlikely as starting spawn due to duplicant action of clearing RendeR. Would've been a solid conversion attempt after doing so

Claphamsa - Supposed AT member. Has done his work, but wasn't in much of a position to fake (none of us were). Would he really have been so overt about going after me if he was starting spawn? Plus, if he's bad, wouldn't he have screwed up by now?

Me - I'll be honest, I'm not all that cleared if you don't believe Danny. If you do believe Danny though, you should pretty much be sure I'm good having worked with him in close quarters 4-5 times.

Barkeep49 · 07-17-2008, 09:04 AM

Schmidty and saldana are not exhausted. I simply forgot to remove the tags for the security staff. I've also added in the write-up. I woke up exceedingly early today for some reason and so I actually just took a nap after posting the results.

jeheinz72 · 07-17-2008, 09:05 AM

Should clap and Danny be exhausted?

claphamsa · 07-17-2008, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Danny, Saldana, Schmidty, Claphamsa, (me)

That's the list of people who it's plausible to vote for today. KWhit and PB I think are barking up the longshot tree far enough that they aren't worth the energy at this time.

Danny - Could have been starting spawn as he has an unverifiable and unproductive ability thus far. Was scanned by Pass, but could be Unaware. Would be a big whiff if we'd be wrong on that one.

Saldana - Seemingly unlikely to be starting spawn, but 45%+ chance he was converted at some point

Schmidty - Unlikely as starting spawn due to duplicant action of clearing RendeR. Would've been a solid conversion attempt after doing so

Claphamsa - Supposed AT member. Has done his work, but wasn't in much of a position to fake (none of us were). Would he really have been so overt about going after me if he was starting spawn? Plus, if he's bad, wouldn't he have screwed up by now?

Me - I'll be honest, I'm not all that cleared if you don't believe Danny. If you do believe Danny though, you should pretty much be sure I'm good having worked with him in close quarters 4-5 times.

jerk!

claphamsa · 07-17-2008, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Should clap and Danny be exhausted?

that would follow as logical!

jeheinz72 · 07-17-2008, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Schmidty and saldana are not exhausted. I simply forgot to remove the tags for the security staff. I've also added in the write-up. I woke up exceedingly early today for some reason and so I actually just took a nap after posting the results.

BK - Exhausted.

Danny · 07-17-2008, 09:17 AM

Clap and I worked on the beds. I didn't get a spawn report back, however my PM specifically said I enjoyed working with clap and that other enjoyed their sleep. I think it considered us all in the same location and thus I doubt my read on Clap was worth anything.

jeheinz72 · 07-17-2008, 09:18 AM

Argh.

claphamsa · 07-17-2008, 09:21 AM

well
im not a spawn

so youll not get anythign!

claphamsa · 07-17-2008, 09:21 AM

Pass, you stiill counting

Danny · 07-17-2008, 09:22 AM

Vote Saldana

He has the highest % chance of being a spawn out of anyone and is 100% uncleared.

jeheinz72 · 07-17-2008, 09:22 AM

Danny - Do you have the post number of when you revealed as Spawn Aware?

Danny · 07-17-2008, 09:23 AM

Oh and Clap, I am on the west coast, so I was posting at midnight not at 3am

.

Danny · 07-17-2008, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Danny - Do you have the post number of when you revealed as Spawn Aware?

I can find it real quick I'm sure.

claphamsa · 07-17-2008, 09:23 AM

ic ic, you dont have a location listed :P

Schmidty · 07-17-2008, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

So Schmidty, you're actually not allowed to sleep? Am I reading it right that it was your preference to do so but you weren't allowed to?

Apparantly so. I requested to as my first preference, but it still says I'm exhausted, and I didn't even get a PM today from BK.

Danny · 07-17-2008, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Danny

I was unsure if I was going to mention this as I didn't want to give anything away to potential Spawn, but at this point it is probably unspecific enough to be alright.

In my PM last night it said that I could feel the spawn. I don't know if this means I could have a spawnling or I will be gaining a special ability or perhaps it had something to do with working next to Jeheinz.

Post #1237

Schmidty · 07-17-2008, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Schmidty and saldana are not exhausted. I simply forgot to remove the tags for the security staff. I've also added in the write-up. I woke up exceedingly early today for some reason and so I actually just took a nap after posting the results.

Oops. Ok. Disregard my last post.

PurdueBrad · 07-17-2008, 09:34 AM

Jackal was a surprise. I'm getting to the point where I'm willing to go into my COT to look for a candidate. Jackal is an odd kill. KWhit, I'm not accusing you here, but why not kill KWhit if you're the wolves? Seems like an odd move. I'll start here but we'll see what happens:

vote Saldana

Danny · 07-17-2008, 09:34 AM

I need to go to work, I suspect there might be some heat on me today which is fine, but understand I will be out at work until around 4pm eastern, so I would be weary of anyone pushing hard for me while I am not even around.

When I get back I will be happy to address any accusations.

jeheinz72 · 07-17-2008, 09:35 AM

3 quick votes on Sal has me worried.

jeheinz72 · 07-17-2008, 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

I need to go to work, I suspect there might be some heat on me today which is fine, but understand I will be out at work until around 4pm eastern, so I would be weary of anyone pushing hard for me while I am not even around.

When I get back I will be happy to address any accusations.

Just an FYI, I'm not sure I'm going to push for your lynch or not, but I leave today at about 3:30 EST, so if I do, that's the reason, not that you were gone.

PurdueBrad · 07-17-2008, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jeheinz72

3 quick votes on Sal has me worried.

Actually, me too. I didn't even catch those before voting, especially since the other two voters are on my short list as well.

unvote Saldana

jeheinz72 · 07-17-2008, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Post #1237

Yeah, sure looks like you did. That's dang early Day Two. Before it was insinuated that we'd have doubles of a few powers. Plus, I had heat on me from hoops a bit so the benefit of vouching for me perse wasn't much.

I'm pretty confident that you at least didn't start as Spawn. And since I know you didn't go off the ship I think I'll back off...for today.

Danny · 07-17-2008, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Just an FYI, I'm not sure I'm going to push for your lynch or not, but I leave today at about 3:30 EST, so if I do, that's the reason, not that you were gone.

That's fine. I guess the choice right now seems easier to me than others. There is nothing concrete about anyone right now. Saldana is the only player never to be cleared at all and also is has by far the highest % chance of being a spawn. I see nothing wrong with taking a stab at someone from the more cleared list once he is gone.

jeheinz72 · 07-17-2008, 09:42 AM

Vote claphamsa

I still am thinking we had to have more than 1 starting spawn. I think based on gameplay that it's unlikely that Danny, Sal or Schmidty started as spawn. I know I didn't. I'm pretty confident today in the clearings of KWhit and PB.

That leaves clap.

jeheinz72 · 07-17-2008, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

That's fine. I guess the choice right now seems easier to me than others. There is nothing concrete about anyone right now. Saldana is the only player never to be cleared at all and also is has by far the highest % chance of being a spawn. I see nothing wrong with taking a stab at someone from the more cleared list once he is gone.

But do you really think he started as spawn given his mission success?

I'm up in the air as far as clap vs sal, but I think if I'm going off of the assumption that we have a player out there who started as spawn, clap is the only one that makes sense.

claphamsa · 07-17-2008, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Actually, me too. I didn't even catch those before voting, especially since the other two voters are on my short list as well.

unvote Saldana

considering there are only 7 left... i hope you list isnt too long

Schmidty · 07-17-2008, 10:21 AM

No offense to Danny, but I'm sticking to my gut.

Vote Danny

The Jackal · 07-17-2008, 11:12 AM

Kick some spawn ass.

saldana · 07-17-2008, 11:15 AM

working from the fact that i know i am a villager, the jackal kill makes sense to me...he had announced that he would be coming after me today, so him dying, in my perspective, was done to try and frame me up in a "Saldana must be a spawn, and he killed jackal so he couldnt come after him" type of move

i cant argue with the fact that I went off the ship 3 times, but i will point out that i personally am responsible for almost 2/3 of the Crystillium in our hold

i will also point out that I have been exactly where i have said i was going to be every single night of this mission

i also cant argue the point that i have not been scanned/cleared by anyone, except for Chubby, who wasnt really an empath....but to that, I have two points:

saldana · 07-17-2008, 11:23 AM

dola, my two points being

1. it is not for lack of trying that i have not been scanned....i was due to be scanned the day that we lost path and marc....i gave the most clear, concise, and unarguable phrase possible for an empath to scan, well before Chubby had been caught in his lies....i voted for Heinz 2 days in a row to try to get myself read by his gut feeling....basically, i have done everything possible to get myself scanned, as recently as yesterday

2. chubby the spawn did say my statement was true....of course, he didnt really scan it, but he was trying to win a spot in the COT at the time he "cleared" me...at that point, there had already been quite a bit of talk about lynching me....assuming chubby was on the council and knew i am a villager, he had to actually give me a clear in case i was lynched...he would have been stupid to give a false clear to another spawn that might get lynched any day because as soon as I came up spawn, everyone would know he lied.

thats all i got

vote claphamsa

jeheinz72 · 07-17-2008, 11:26 AM

I'm twisting in the wind here.

On one hand, I agree with a lot of what saldana has said, and I think it unlikely that he started as spawn

On the other hand, I'm less than confident in my vote on clap. I mean he's worked with danny 3 times now, 2nd only to me, so if I'm giving up the front on Danny, in a way, I have to give it up on clap.

07-17-2008, 08:30 AM	#4403
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	killing jackyl ws hard work? __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

07-17-2008, 08:31 AM	#4404
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	vote saldana! lets get this lynchign sytarted. __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

07-17-2008, 08:36 AM	#4407
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	I dont hink it matters if he was a starter or not. FWIW YMMV __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

07-17-2008, 09:04 AM	#4419
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Schmidty and saldana are not exhausted. I simply forgot to remove the tags for the security staff. I've also added in the write-up. I woke up exceedingly early today for some reason and so I actually just took a nap after posting the results. Last edited by Barkeep49 : 07-17-2008 at 09:05 AM.

07-17-2008, 09:21 AM	#4426
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	well im not a spawn so youll not get anythign! __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

07-17-2008, 08:29 AM	#4401
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	And then there were 7.

07-17-2008, 08:33 AM	#4405
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	So we're still looking at 1 starting spawn likely left. Possibly 1 more conversion-type, but are we still operating under the assumption that there is a starting one left?

07-17-2008, 08:38 AM	#4408
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Well, I'm assuming we still ahve the unaware spawn out there somewhere. That could be important to keep in mind.

07-17-2008, 08:40 AM	#4410
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Schmidty, what did you do last night?

07-17-2008, 08:45 AM	#4415
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Didn't know if you meant the water plant or the cargo hold when you said guard the water.

07-17-2008, 08:52 AM	#4416
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	So many questions prattling around me head. First off, I'm not considering KWhit an alternative...yet. Again, if he's bad and considering they have to wipe us all out, that can wait. With Jackal proven as good, I'm inclined to believe in the trust between he and PB. Questions - Why is saldana tired? - Why are Danny and Clap not tired? (is that a mistake BK?) They should've worked on the beds. - What was Danny's possible "read" on clap? - Could saldana have been a starting spawn? If so, why would he perform so well in the missions knowing he'd get heat eventually just for being off the ship so often? - How many people are going to (justifiably) look my way today? - If Danny is unaware spawn, the only possibility, then did we just not get a Spawn Aware? If Spawn Aware is a triggered function, my guess is it'd be triggered by being near Spawn once. I'd be the only person left who could be that and I've been near Danny like 7 times - Why hasn't Danny been getting reads on his daytime work, as BK said he should have been getting? - Why would the Spawn kill Jackal? (ergo proving him as good, ergo proving PB as likely not lying about the AT and to an extent clap) - Why not take out Danny who, if good, has some ability to detect spawn, the last such person to be able to do so? - Could Schmidty be both starting spawn and duplicant? Could he have faked being a duplicant some how, faked clearing RendeR? Oy vey.

07-17-2008, 08:53 AM	#4417
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	So Schmidty, you're actually not allowed to sleep? Am I reading it right that it was your preference to do so but you weren't allowed to?

07-17-2008, 08:58 AM	#4418
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	Danny, Saldana, Schmidty, Claphamsa, (me) That's the list of people who it's plausible to vote for today. KWhit and PB I think are barking up the longshot tree far enough that they aren't worth the energy at this time. Danny - Could have been starting spawn as he has an unverifiable and unproductive ability thus far. Was scanned by Pass, but could be Unaware. Would be a big whiff if we'd be wrong on that one. Saldana - Seemingly unlikely to be starting spawn, but 45%+ chance he was converted at some point Schmidty - Unlikely as starting spawn due to duplicant action of clearing RendeR. Would've been a solid conversion attempt after doing so Claphamsa - Supposed AT member. Has done his work, but wasn't in much of a position to fake (none of us were). Would he really have been so overt about going after me if he was starting spawn? Plus, if he's bad, wouldn't he have screwed up by now? Me - I'll be honest, I'm not all that cleared if you don't believe Danny. If you do believe Danny though, you should pretty much be sure I'm good having worked with him in close quarters 4-5 times.

07-17-2008, 09:05 AM	#4420
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	Should clap and Danny be exhausted?

07-17-2008, 09:17 AM	#4424
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Clap and I worked on the beds. I didn't get a spawn report back, however my PM specifically said I enjoyed working with clap and that other enjoyed their sleep. I think it considered us all in the same location and thus I doubt my read on Clap was worth anything.

07-17-2008, 09:18 AM	#4425
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	Argh.

07-17-2008, 09:21 AM	#4427
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	Pass, you stiill counting __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

07-17-2008, 09:22 AM	#4428
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Vote Saldana He has the highest % chance of being a spawn out of anyone and is 100% uncleared.

07-17-2008, 09:22 AM	#4429
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	Danny - Do you have the post number of when you revealed as Spawn Aware?

07-17-2008, 09:23 AM	#4430
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Oh and Clap, I am on the west coast, so I was posting at midnight not at 3am .

07-17-2008, 09:23 AM	#4432
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	ic ic, you dont have a location listed :P __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

07-17-2008, 09:34 AM	#4436
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Jackal was a surprise. I'm getting to the point where I'm willing to go into my COT to look for a candidate. Jackal is an odd kill. KWhit, I'm not accusing you here, but why not kill KWhit if you're the wolves? Seems like an odd move. I'll start here but we'll see what happens: vote Saldana

07-17-2008, 09:34 AM	#4437
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I need to go to work, I suspect there might be some heat on me today which is fine, but understand I will be out at work until around 4pm eastern, so I would be weary of anyone pushing hard for me while I am not even around. When I get back I will be happy to address any accusations.

07-17-2008, 09:35 AM	#4438
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	3 quick votes on Sal has me worried.

07-17-2008, 09:42 AM	#4443
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	Vote claphamsa I still am thinking we had to have more than 1 starting spawn. I think based on gameplay that it's unlikely that Danny, Sal or Schmidty started as spawn. I know I didn't. I'm pretty confident today in the clearings of KWhit and PB. That leaves clap.

07-17-2008, 10:21 AM	#4446
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	No offense to Danny, but I'm sticking to my gut. Vote Danny __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

07-17-2008, 11:12 AM	#4447
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Kick some spawn ass.

07-17-2008, 11:15 AM	#4448
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	working from the fact that i know i am a villager, the jackal kill makes sense to me...he had announced that he would be coming after me today, so him dying, in my perspective, was done to try and frame me up in a "Saldana must be a spawn, and he killed jackal so he couldnt come after him" type of move i cant argue with the fact that I went off the ship 3 times, but i will point out that i personally am responsible for almost 2/3 of the Crystillium in our hold i will also point out that I have been exactly where i have said i was going to be every single night of this mission i also cant argue the point that i have not been scanned/cleared by anyone, except for Chubby, who wasnt really an empath....but to that, I have two points:

07-17-2008, 11:23 AM	#4449
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	dola, my two points being 1. it is not for lack of trying that i have not been scanned....i was due to be scanned the day that we lost path and marc....i gave the most clear, concise, and unarguable phrase possible for an empath to scan, well before Chubby had been caught in his lies....i voted for Heinz 2 days in a row to try to get myself read by his gut feeling....basically, i have done everything possible to get myself scanned, as recently as yesterday 2. chubby the spawn did say my statement was true....of course, he didnt really scan it, but he was trying to win a spot in the COT at the time he "cleared" me...at that point, there had already been quite a bit of talk about lynching me....assuming chubby was on the council and knew i am a villager, he had to actually give me a clear in case i was lynched...he would have been stupid to give a false clear to another spawn that might get lynched any day because as soon as I came up spawn, everyone would know he lied. thats all i got vote claphamsa

07-17-2008, 11:26 AM	#4450
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	I'm twisting in the wind here. On one hand, I agree with a lot of what saldana has said, and I think it unlikely that he started as spawn On the other hand, I'm less than confident in my vote on clap. I mean he's worked with danny 3 times now, 2nd only to me, so if I'm giving up the front on Danny, in a way, I have to give it up on clap.

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