WW LXXXIII Marvel Universe - Game Over! Rebel victory! - Page 89

GhostRider · 10-20-2008, 10:23 AM

I can definitely say that I trust Punisher, even if I wasn't on his team before. He didn't siphon points nor did he use the power that he can use towards teammates.

Punisher · 10-20-2008, 10:24 AM

I wasn't aware it would be announced...though I think you made mention of it before now that I think of it. I understand.

I just figured with our powers combined we could form Voltron or something.

NickFury · 10-20-2008, 10:24 AM

Go get them guys!

GhostRider · 10-20-2008, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Scarlet Witch

huh?

In other words, as a protection against the Shadow King outing all the Rebels, isn't it possible that the puppetmaster (Hoops) has made it so that the puppetmaster cannot control all or some of the wolves? That's what I meant by checks and balances, a way to limit the power from being too powerful.

Scarlet Witch · 10-20-2008, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fantastic

Also vision claims to have fully fought off the shadow king and Scarlet witch claims to have partially fought off the shadow king.

Up until now no one had any signs of fighting him off at all.

Oh, right -- I shouldn't have said I have no information on the Vision. He was right that he fully fought off the Shadow King. So to speak -- it was more like the Shadow King couldn't figure out how to possess his mind, since he didn't have one.

Punisher · 10-20-2008, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by GhostRider

I can definitely say that I trust Punisher, even if I wasn't on his team before. He didn't siphon points nor did he use the power that he can use towards teammates.

Yeah, about the grenade...I might as well come clean at this point.

When I complained about how craptacular that grenade was...it was explained to me at that point I could toss the grenade AT teammates, not necessarily MY teammates.

Thus, my huge interest in Cable and Spidey possibly being teammates. I figured I could toss the grenade at them, Spidey could possibly dodge it with his Spidey Sense.

Seems like a moot point at this juncture. Cable, Vision, Mags, and or Scarlet won't be tag teaming up any time soon.

Mr.Fantastic · 10-20-2008, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Teams:
Heroes may form "teams" by mutual declaration within the thread. Team benefits include:
1.) Receive a bonus when teammates act together on Mission Actions and Galactus Actions, larger bonuses for more participants
2.) Opportunity for enhanced communication if certain in-game parameters are met
3.) One extra point of damage delivered if two teammates deliver attack posts with back-to-back posts in the thread (post #101, post #102). This is cumulative (post #103 for a 3rd teammate)
4.) Some powers may be more effective in team environment
5.) Opportunity for additional rewards based on duration of team
6.) Opportunity for team sabotage at any time. Can be completed in one of two ways, will be known publicly either way:
- siphon energy from team during night cycle, saboteur gains 1/2 of energy (rounding down) from every teammate in addition to their own energy
- can 100% negate actions of all teammates on a Mission Action or Galactus Action

Teams can be formed and broken up at any time. The declaration of a team must be agreed upon in the thread. The team should be announced in bold, with the name of the team and all member of the team. Additional benefits may become available for teams who remain together for a sustained period of time.

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Scarlet Witch · 10-20-2008, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by GhostRider

In other words, as a protection against the Shadow King outing all the Rebels, isn't it possible that the puppetmaster (Hoops) has made it so that the puppetmaster cannot control all or some of the wolves? That's what I meant by checks and balances, a way to limit the power from being too powerful.

I suppose. I'm not sure such a check is necessary, though, because I don't exactly buy the idea that he's just some happy-possessing-guy who wants to help us find rebels.

Punisher · 10-20-2008, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fantastic

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Yeah, I hear ya. Good call, though I really would have liked to form Voltron and swing that energy sword or whatever it was at Vision.

Punisher · 10-20-2008, 10:29 AM

Can we form a team during the day, attack, and disband?

Scarlet Witch · 10-20-2008, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fantastic

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I guess the good thing about that is that we haven't had a mission in a while, anyway.

Punisher · 10-20-2008, 10:31 AM

For the record, I really hate that grenade. Still lame. Not sure two rebels would hook up on a team at any point, unless it was end-game and they wanted to rub it in our noses.

Punisher · 10-20-2008, 10:33 AM

[ooc]Doom once said I was under the radar. I now have the most posts in the game. Wish that was a victory condition.[/ooc]

Punisher · 10-20-2008, 10:42 AM

DISSOLVE TEAM "WE HATE REBELS"

Apparently the risk outweighs the reward...though I think we'll find in the end the four of us are good guys.

Punisher · 10-20-2008, 10:42 AM

DISSOLVE TEAM "WE HATE REBELS"

Forgot to bold.

Scarlet Witch · 10-20-2008, 10:52 AM

So...is there any way we can think of to get around Cable's bodyslide thing? My thinking is that maybe it lets him switch bodies with someone. Anyone have other ideas what it might do?

Punisher · 10-20-2008, 10:54 AM

Some sort of avoid being attacked ability.

Mr.Fantastic · 10-20-2008, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Scarlet Witch

So...is there any way we can think of to get around Cable's bodyslide thing? My thinking is that maybe it lets him switch bodies with someone. Anyone have other ideas what it might do?

From his comment, it sounds like it prevents him from being lynched. I would assume it does not redirect attacks on him elsewhere otherwise as a bad guy he would welcome attacks and have not said that. I assume it just nullifies the attacks or takes him completely out of the picture for the day, or day/night. Since he did it first thing in the morning, I assume timing on it was essential as well. I had previously asked Hoopsguy about my negative portal how it would work if someone attacked me and then I went through. He said any attacks prior to using it would still count but any afterwards wouldn't count. I assume due to how and when he used it, that behavior is similar for him. With my negative portal, once myself or someone else was out of play, they were out of play.

Punisher · 10-20-2008, 10:57 AM

I'll get this party started, I might as well. I've already attempted to attack two of us today.

ATTACK VISION

Mr.Fantastic · 10-20-2008, 11:15 AM

I am trying to think things through.. Obviously Scarlet Witch seems to be trying to protect Vision from a lynch. It seems obvious to me that I'll join Punisher on the attack there. I'm just trying to think of ways to contain the Scarlet witch for today/tonight to make sure she doesn't do something regretable in the mean time.

Spiderman, any chance you can web her today to prevent any further mishap on her part? If we can keep her contained, we can lynch Vision today, Cable tommorrow when he comes back and try to keep Scarlet witch tied up.

Punisher · 10-20-2008, 11:20 AM

My option for limiting Scarlet Witch is limiting and wouldn't be effective.

In fact, at this point, it's probably not a bad idea to have me used as a guard.

Mr.Fantastic · 10-20-2008, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Punisher

My option for limiting Scarlet Witch is limiting and wouldn't be effective.

In fact, at this point, it's probably not a bad idea to have me used as a guard.

According to my notes, I think the only people who can guard right now are Spiderman and Ghost rider? Everyone else guarded yesterday and thus can turn it down for today. I would rather Spiderman web scarlet witch than use him to guard perhaps.

Punisher · 10-20-2008, 11:22 AM

I was a guard yesterday?

Mr.Fantastic · 10-20-2008, 11:22 AM

I guess technically, I can order Magneto to guard me and Magneto can order Ghostrider to guard him if we wanted to though.

Mr.Fantastic · 10-20-2008, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Punisher

I was a guard yesterday?

I have written down that you guarded Magneto last night. Maybe my notes are wrong.

Punisher · 10-20-2008, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Magneto

ORDER PUNISHER TO GUARD MAGNETO

There's still some Dr. Pepper left at the HQ from my lovely evening with Fury.

Looks like I was. Forgot about that. I still say I'm a great choice as a guard.

Spider-Man · 10-20-2008, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fantastic

I am trying to think things through.. Obviously Scarlet Witch seems to be trying to protect Vision from a lynch. It seems obvious to me that I'll join Punisher on the attack there. I'm just trying to think of ways to contain the Scarlet witch for today/tonight to make sure she doesn't do something regretable in the mean time.

Spiderman, any chance you can web her today to prevent any further mishap on her part? If we can keep her contained, we can lynch Vision today, Cable tommorrow when he comes back and try to keep Scarlet witch tied up.

No, I don't want to web anyone today (or guard). I want to use my spider beacon again tonight to follow someone. Hopefully I get lucky and can catch someone else in the act.

Of course, if I don't get guarded, I am likely a dead man by night kill tonight anyway.

Punisher · 10-20-2008, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Spider-Man

No, I don't want to web anyone today (or guard). I want to use my spider beacon again tonight to follow someone. Hopefully I get lucky and can catch someone else in the act.

Of course, if I don't get guarded, I am likely a dead man by night kill tonight anyway.

Again, I don't think we can send a guard for you. You might as well use that web, webslinger.

Punisher · 10-20-2008, 11:26 AM

Wait, can't we oust a Prelate?

Spider-Man · 10-20-2008, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Punisher

Again, I don't think we can send a guard for you. You might as well use that web, webslinger.

Why not?

Punisher · 10-20-2008, 11:27 AM

You're not a Prelate, Spidey.

Scarlet Witch · 10-20-2008, 11:27 AM

The only reason I have to avoid attacking the Vision is:

1. He's a Prelate, which means attacking him is rolling the dice in a sense since if he's good, it might be 1-1 and we're dangerously close to losing.
2. He wasn't lying about the Shadow King. If the Shadow King started talking through me, would that prove I was telling the truth? I don't know if he will, but it might be fun if he did.

Spider-Man · 10-20-2008, 11:27 AM

There is nothing in the rules (that I see) that disallows a prelate ordering someone to guard me.

Spider-Man · 10-20-2008, 11:28 AM

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Guard Action:
- only ordered by Prelates
- precludes use of other "special actions" during day/night cycle
- when ordered by Prelate, the order will dictate both the player who will guard and the person they will protect. Example - "Prelate Silver Surfer orders Wolverine to guard Captain America"
- when a player is on guard duty, they become the target of a night attack in place of the person they are protecting. Example - Wolverine takes an attack intended for Captain America (as well as any attacks targeted at Wolverine, if he is not protected by another player)
- a Prelate can "bluff" the order. If this is the intent, the Prelate must PM the moderators to inform them of his intention. This must take place during the day phase. The moderator will convey this information to the player ordered to guard at the start of the night cycle, allowing them the option to take an alternative night action. However, the “pseudo-ordered” player does miss out on the chance to participate in Mission Actions or Galactus Actions as a result of the bluff. The penalty for the Prelate is that they sacrifice the option to issue Guard actions for the remainder of the game.

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Punisher · 10-20-2008, 11:28 AM

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Voice of the Madri

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- the masses of players can stage a revolt against a prelate by popular vote. Apoc and the 1st Prelate are immune to this, but all others are potentially vulnerable to this. All prelates below the disgraced prelate move up a rank and a new prelate is inserted immediately in the 5th Prelate role. This is separate from an attack - just a straight "vote" option that is available. The Prelates (and Apocalypse) are not part of this vote. Can only be exercised once per three days.

Interesting. Anyone up for it?

Mr.Fantastic · 10-20-2008, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Punisher

You're not a Prelate, Spidey.

A prelate can order someone to guard a non-prelate, but then I can't have myself guarded. For obvious reasons that would be even worse for us, so that is why I can't put any protection on Spiderman.

If Vision or Magneto wanted to do so, they could order someone to guard spiderman tonight

Spider-Man · 10-20-2008, 11:28 AM

I meant to bold this part:

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Guard Action:
- only ordered by Prelates
- precludes use of other "special actions" during day/night cycle
- when ordered by Prelate, the order will dictate both the player who will guard and the person they will protect. Example - "Prelate Silver Surfer orders Wolverine to guard Captain America"
- when a player is on guard duty, they become the target of a night attack in place of the person they are protecting. Example - Wolverine takes an attack intended for Captain America (as well as any attacks targeted at Wolverine, if he is not protected by another player)
- a Prelate can "bluff" the order. If this is the intent, the Prelate must PM the moderators to inform them of his intention. This must take place during the day phase. The moderator will convey this information to the player ordered to guard at the start of the night cycle, allowing them the option to take an alternative night action. However, the “pseudo-ordered” player does miss out on the chance to participate in Mission Actions or Galactus Actions as a result of the bluff. The penalty for the Prelate is that they sacrifice the option to issue Guard actions for the remainder of the game.

Punisher · 10-20-2008, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Spider-Man

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Didn't notice that before, either.

However, we're still at a bottleneck with Mr. F clearly wanting to protect himself, and who can blame him. Vision can't be trusted, and Magneto isn't too far off that path either.

Honestly, if Vision can't be trusted, I feel Mags can...this is challenging.

Mr.Fantastic · 10-20-2008, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Punisher

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Interesting. Anyone up for it?

Who are you looking to oust out of curiosity? I am immune to it, but if enough people wanted to, they could remove Vision or Magneto from power.

I guess theoretically if people wanted to attack Vision today and oust Magneto from power, I wouldn't need a guard tonight and I could order a guard for spiderman instead. Since if I am night killed, we lose the last trusted person, but you keep alive someone who can perhaps find the next rebel, which my powers don't allow for.

Spider-Man · 10-20-2008, 11:31 AM

Anybody have Cable's voting / attack history available?

Punisher · 10-20-2008, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fantastic

Who are you looking to oust out of curiosity? I am immune to it, but if enough people wanted to, they could remove Vision or Magneto from power.

I guess theoretically if people wanted to attack Vision today and oust Magneto from power, I wouldn't need a guard tonight and I could order a guard for spiderman instead. Since if I am night killed, we lose the last trusted person, but you keep alive someone who can perhaps find the next rebel, which my powers don't allow for.

It's almost like you're reading MY mind.

Mr.Fantastic · 10-20-2008, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fantastic

Who are you looking to oust out of curiosity? I am immune to it, but if enough people wanted to, they could remove Vision or Magneto from power.

I guess theoretically if people wanted to attack Vision today and oust Magneto from power, I wouldn't need a guard tonight and I could order a guard for spiderman instead. Since if I am night killed, we lose the last trusted person, but you keep alive someone who can perhaps find the next rebel, which my powers don't allow for.

The more I think about it, this solution would address PUnisher's need to "punish" someone.. err I mean punish prelates...

It would address Scarlet Witch'es concern about Magneto

It would address Spiderman's concern about being guarded.

The only person to lose from this really would be (well Vision when he is lynched) and myself who likely ends up dying tonight. Maybe I have a trick up my sleeve though for anyone who tries it

Mr.Fantastic · 10-20-2008, 11:33 AM

Spiderman, can you follow me and see who attacks me if you do follow me at night? If so we could attack Vision, oust magneto, I order a guard for spiderman, and spiderman follows me tonight. I might be sacrificed, but it would get you the last rebel out there on a silver platter.

Punisher · 10-20-2008, 11:34 AM

VOTE TO REMOVE MAGNETO AS A PRELATE

Spider-Man · 10-20-2008, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fantastic

Spiderman, can you follow me and see who attacks me if you do follow me at night? If so we could attack Vision, oust magneto, I order a guard for spiderman, and spiderman follows me tonight. I might be sacrificed, but it would get you the last rebel out there on a silver platter.

I'm not sure. Gonna ask the mods a question about that.

Spider-Man · 10-20-2008, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fantastic

Spiderman, can you follow me and see who attacks me if you do follow me at night? If so we could attack Vision, oust magneto, I order a guard for spiderman, and spiderman follows me tonight. I might be sacrificed, but it would get you the last rebel out there on a silver platter.

Actually, I don't think I need to wait for an answer to that. I don't believe that would work.

Spider-Man · 10-20-2008, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fantastic

Who are you looking to oust out of curiosity? I am immune to it, but if enough people wanted to, they could remove Vision or Magneto from power.

I guess theoretically if people wanted to attack Vision today and oust Magneto from power, I wouldn't need a guard tonight and I could order a guard for spiderman instead. Since if I am night killed, we lose the last trusted person, but you keep alive someone who can perhaps find the next rebel, which my powers don't allow for.

So we would end up with zero prelates? Which I guess theoretically would end the possibility of them winning the game based on that win condition?

Because no new prelates can be created, correct?

Mr.Fantastic · 10-20-2008, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Spider-Man

Actually, I don't think I need to wait for an answer to that. I don't believe that would work.

Hmm.. well like I said once there are no other prelates, the only value I add is as the last trusted member. I don't have special abilities to find the rebels and you may. So it might be worthwhile to guard you tonight, but I can't do that if there are other prelates around. Too risky that it might cause us the game.

Punisher · 10-20-2008, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Spider-Man

So we would end up with zero prelates? Which I guess theoretically would end the possibility of them winning the game based on that win condition?

Because no new prelates can be created, correct?

That's the way I'm seeing it.

Mr.Fantastic · 10-20-2008, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Spider-Man

So we would end up with zero prelates? Which I guess theoretically would end the possibility of them winning the game based on that win condition?

Because no new prelates can be created, correct?

Correct, now Doom is dead, no more prelates can be made.

10-20-2008, 10:23 AM	#4401
GhostRider H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Sep 2008	I can definitely say that I trust Punisher, even if I wasn't on his team before. He didn't siphon points nor did he use the power that he can use towards teammates. __________________ A thousand souls to burn. Look into my eyes, your souls are stained by the blood of the innocent, feel their pain. A spirit of vengeance...fighting fire with fire. I am the devil's bounty hunter.

10-20-2008, 10:24 AM	#4402
Punisher High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	I wasn't aware it would be announced...though I think you made mention of it before now that I think of it. I understand. I just figured with our powers combined we could form Voltron or something. __________________ I've got a bad rap as a senseless killer. Let me point out that I am a very sensible killer.

10-20-2008, 10:29 AM	#4410
Punisher High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	Can we form a team during the day, attack, and disband? __________________ I've got a bad rap as a senseless killer. Let me point out that I am a very sensible killer.

10-20-2008, 10:31 AM	#4412
Punisher High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	For the record, I really hate that grenade. Still lame. Not sure two rebels would hook up on a team at any point, unless it was end-game and they wanted to rub it in our noses. __________________ I've got a bad rap as a senseless killer. Let me point out that I am a very sensible killer.

10-20-2008, 10:33 AM	#4413
Punisher High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	[ooc]Doom once said I was under the radar. I now have the most posts in the game. Wish that was a victory condition.[/ooc] __________________ I've got a bad rap as a senseless killer. Let me point out that I am a very sensible killer.

10-20-2008, 10:24 AM	#4403
NickFury H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Oct 2008	Go get them guys!

10-20-2008, 10:42 AM	#4414
Punisher High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	DISSOLVE TEAM "WE HATE REBELS" Apparently the risk outweighs the reward...though I think we'll find in the end the four of us are good guys. __________________ I've got a bad rap as a senseless killer. Let me point out that I am a very sensible killer.

10-20-2008, 10:42 AM	#4415
Punisher High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	DISSOLVE TEAM "WE HATE REBELS" Forgot to bold. __________________ I've got a bad rap as a senseless killer. Let me point out that I am a very sensible killer.

10-20-2008, 10:52 AM	#4416
Scarlet Witch High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	So...is there any way we can think of to get around Cable's bodyslide thing? My thinking is that maybe it lets him switch bodies with someone. Anyone have other ideas what it might do?

10-20-2008, 10:54 AM	#4417
Punisher High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	Some sort of avoid being attacked ability. __________________ I've got a bad rap as a senseless killer. Let me point out that I am a very sensible killer.

10-20-2008, 10:57 AM	#4419
Punisher High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	I'll get this party started, I might as well. I've already attempted to attack two of us today. ATTACK VISION __________________ I've got a bad rap as a senseless killer. Let me point out that I am a very sensible killer.

10-20-2008, 11:15 AM	#4420
Mr.Fantastic High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	I am trying to think things through.. Obviously Scarlet Witch seems to be trying to protect Vision from a lynch. It seems obvious to me that I'll join Punisher on the attack there. I'm just trying to think of ways to contain the Scarlet witch for today/tonight to make sure she doesn't do something regretable in the mean time. Spiderman, any chance you can web her today to prevent any further mishap on her part? If we can keep her contained, we can lynch Vision today, Cable tommorrow when he comes back and try to keep Scarlet witch tied up.

10-20-2008, 11:20 AM	#4421
Punisher High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	My option for limiting Scarlet Witch is limiting and wouldn't be effective. In fact, at this point, it's probably not a bad idea to have me used as a guard. __________________ I've got a bad rap as a senseless killer. Let me point out that I am a very sensible killer.

10-20-2008, 11:22 AM	#4423
Punisher High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	I was a guard yesterday? __________________ I've got a bad rap as a senseless killer. Let me point out that I am a very sensible killer.

10-20-2008, 11:22 AM	#4424
Mr.Fantastic High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	I guess technically, I can order Magneto to guard me and Magneto can order Ghostrider to guard him if we wanted to though.

10-20-2008, 11:26 AM	#4429
Punisher High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	Wait, can't we oust a Prelate? __________________ I've got a bad rap as a senseless killer. Let me point out that I am a very sensible killer.

10-20-2008, 11:27 AM	#4431
Punisher High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	You're not a Prelate, Spidey. __________________ I've got a bad rap as a senseless killer. Let me point out that I am a very sensible killer.

10-20-2008, 11:27 AM	#4432
Scarlet Witch High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	The only reason I have to avoid attacking the Vision is: 1. He's a Prelate, which means attacking him is rolling the dice in a sense since if he's good, it might be 1-1 and we're dangerously close to losing. 2. He wasn't lying about the Shadow King. If the Shadow King started talking through me, would that prove I was telling the truth? I don't know if he will, but it might be fun if he did.

10-20-2008, 11:27 AM	#4433
Spider-Man n00b Join Date: Oct 2008	There is nothing in the rules (that I see) that disallows a prelate ordering someone to guard me.

10-20-2008, 11:31 AM	#4440
Spider-Man n00b Join Date: Oct 2008	Anybody have Cable's voting / attack history available?

10-20-2008, 11:33 AM	#4443
Mr.Fantastic High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	Spiderman, can you follow me and see who attacks me if you do follow me at night? If so we could attack Vision, oust magneto, I order a guard for spiderman, and spiderman follows me tonight. I might be sacrificed, but it would get you the last rebel out there on a silver platter.

10-20-2008, 11:34 AM	#4444
Punisher High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	VOTE TO REMOVE MAGNETO AS A PRELATE __________________ I've got a bad rap as a senseless killer. Let me point out that I am a very sensible killer.

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