Werewolf LXXII: Chess (Checkmate!)

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

I definitely wouldn't say your stupid (see: Cruise game) but I think your route to getting where you are is a curious one.

This is another situation that feeds into my hypothesis that the more you say in a game, the more likely you are to be lynched.

I think I wouldn't have gotten any suspicion had I just posted my vote and kept my mouth shut.

[hoopsguy]

OK - here comes the reveal (pretty sure I need to do it):

I'm a rook and I have a "block wolf attack" option. One of the nine members in the thread right now can vouch for this. FWIW, this person does not have their vote on me right now and I believe they have some level of trust for me based on our Day 1 PM conversations.

So if you lose me to the lynch then there will be one other person out there with this ability, but I do think that my role has a decent amount of value to the team. Also, by revealing I'm putting a bullseye on me in terms of location - so the knights can come scan me to validate I'm not a wolf over the course of the next turn or two.

[oliegirl]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

hoopsguy (6) - mccollins (177), PurdueBrad (193), RendeR (197), Sonic Youth (286), Neon Chaos (289), The Jackal (387)
The Jackal (5) - claphamsa (179), Narcizo (233), Lathum (277), hoopsguy (290), oliegirl (374)
KWhit (2) - ntndeacon (226), st.cronin (273)
Qwikshot (2) - KWhit (307), Barkeep49 (314)
Barkeep49 (1) - Chief Rum (237)
Render (1) - Anxiety (238)
No Lynch (1) - path12 (386)

Not voted: Qwikshot, jeheinz72

Looks like this is the current vote count, I really think voting Hoops off at this point is a bad idea. Yes, he is a great wolf - but he is also a great villager, and the fact that he voiced his opinion against a No Lynch is a pretty bad reason to vote him off. No where I can move my vote to help Hoops so for now it's going to stay where it is.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

BTW, this is working under the given assumption that we're generically the white team according to the rules until we hear otherwise.

Your rationale with the numbers make more sense now that you spelled them out, although I think counting your chat partner as a lock is probably a mistake.

I was working off of 20 players, not 18. As you have noted, you should clearly be working off at least 19 players.

[KWhit]

Unvote Quikshot
Vote The Jackal

[mccollins]

In the thread at 1:08 pm:

mccollins, Anxiety, hoopsguy, jeheinz72, KWhit, Lathum, Neon_Chaos, oliegirl, path12, PurdueBrad, Qwikshot, The Jackal

[Abe Sargent]

I never like voting forthe best players on Day One just because, because it seems like we are doing the wolves work for them.

[The Jackal]

hoopsguy (6) - mccollins (177), PurdueBrad (193), RendeR (197), Sonic Youth (286), Neon Chaos (289), The Jackal (387)
The Jackal (6) - claphamsa (179), Narcizo (233), Lathum (277), hoopsguy (290), oliegirl (374), KWhit (405)
KWhit (2) - ntndeacon (226), st.cronin (273)
Barkeep49 (1) - Chief Rum (237)
Render (1) - Anxiety (238)
Qwikshot (1) - Barkeep49 (314)
No Lynch (1) - path12 (386)

Not voted: Qwikshot, jeheinz72

[oliegirl]

Originally Posted by oliegirl

Looks like this is the current vote count, I really think voting Hoops off at this point is a bad idea. Yes, he is a great wolf - but he is also a great villager, and the fact that he voiced his opinion against a No Lynch is a pretty bad reason to vote him off. No where I can move my vote to help Hoops so for now it's going to stay where it is.

Believe in this even more now since Hoops reveal...we must have been typing at the same time. Definitely think we need to do things today:

1. Keep Hoops around at least one more night
2. Make sure a knight scans him and gives their results, we have enough bg's/rooks in this game that anyone who needs to be protected can be.

[The Jackal]

I guess I just have to hope that someday people will say "I don't want Jackal off, he's a good villager".

I have been living to the end of almost every game here so I guess this was inevitable.

[Qwikshot]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

OK - here comes the reveal (pretty sure I need to do it):

I'm a rook and I have a "block wolf attack" option. One of the nine members in the thread right now can vouch for this. FWIW, this person does not have their vote on me right now and I believe they have some level of trust for me based on our Day 1 PM conversations.

So if you lose me to the lynch then there will be one other person out there with this ability, but I do think that my role has a decent amount of value to the team. Also, by revealing I'm putting a bullseye on me in terms of location - so the knights can come scan me to validate I'm not a wolf over the course of the next turn or two.

Vote the Jackal (not to be confused with that crappy band Jackyl with a Y

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I am so high rite now

Oooooh, oooooooh, you're the herbalist, aren't you?!?

[jeheinz72]

Vote KWhit

I'm not sure I like the alternatives and something just seems "up" about you KWhit. It's like I get your reasoning, but that reasoning seems retroactively contrived.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Oooooh, oooooooh, you're the herbalist, aren't you?!?

HA

[Neon_Chaos]

Unvote hoopsguy
Vote The Jackal

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

hoopsguy (6) - mccollins (177), PurdueBrad (193), RendeR (197), Sonic Youth (286), Neon Chaos (289), The Jackal (387)
The Jackal (6) - claphamsa (179), Narcizo (233), Lathum (277), hoopsguy (290), oliegirl (374), KWhit (405)
KWhit (2) - ntndeacon (226), st.cronin (273)
Barkeep49 (1) - Chief Rum (237)
Render (1) - Anxiety (238)
Qwikshot (1) - Barkeep49 (314)
No Lynch (1) - path12 (386)

Not voted: Qwikshot, jeheinz72

For future reference, it's RendeR, not Render

[The Jackal]

I understand people are voting for me as an alternative for voting for hoops, but there's honestly no case against me. This is silly.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

I never like voting forthe best players on Day One just because, because it seems like we are doing the wolves work for them.

But we also have an opposing chess team against us.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

I guess I just have to hope that someday people will say "I don't want Jackal off, he's a good villager".

I have been living to the end of almost every game here so I guess this was inevitable.

That seems like you're trying to invent a reason to not be voted off. I mean, it's not that I don't think you're a good villager, I do, but this isn't typically something that would be brought up by oneself

Unvote KWhit

Vote Jackal

[hoopsguy]

FWIW, I'm more suspicious of the people who voted for me as a result of the "No Lynch" position than I am of Jackal. That, and the people who were "tying so we can see movement".

On that list:
mccollins, render, sonicyouth, neon

In order, my suspicion right now is:
1.) SonicYouth
2.) Mccollins
3.) RendeR
4.) Neon (the guy in the group I'm not looking to vote for)

Since none of those three have votes I'm not sure what the chances are of getting a move towards one of them, but those are the guys that I felt were positioning me most aggressively to take a fall today.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Your rationale with the numbers make more sense now that you spelled them out, although I think counting your chat partner as a lock is probably a mistake.

I was working off of 20 players, not 18. As you have noted, you should clearly be working off at least 19 players.

Hoops, appreciate it. Sorry if I came off snippy, having a long day at school. I agree whole-heartedly about my partner, just going for trust until I have reason to believe otherwise, especially since my partner is guaranteed on my team (if I read the rules right) although they still could be a wolf.

Your reveal has me re-thinking strongly although I'll kick myself if we're on opposite teams and I could have voted you out with that power!

[The Jackal]

Clap voted for me for no reason. He said it was because i'm his "love sheep".

Narc voted for me because I flip flopped to no lynch from clap, maybe? But my vote on clap was just a joking response. I'd always intended on voting no lynch.

Lathum voted for me for voting no lynch after he voted no lynch himself.

Hoops voted for me out of some self preservation.

Olie voted for me to try and save hoops.

The other three.. because of this reveal.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

I understand people are voting for me as an alternative for voting for hoops, but there's honestly no case against me. This is silly.

welcome to my wolrd

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by mccollins

But we also have an opposing chess team against us.

And that's true, I admit. Every WW game is different. Still, I try to imagine what I would do if I were a wolf. I'd go after the top tier three players (Lathum, BK, hoopsguy) the first few nights, leave one around to draw suspicion (why are you still alive) then hit the good second tier players. (Like Chief Rum or stcronin). That's my general strategy as a wolf. So axing one of the big three on Day One, even with the altered game, just seems like it helps the wolves for sure. Yes, there is a 50/50 chance he has a different color than me, and thus is a sort of enemy, but even the other color is sort of an ally against the wolves.

[hoopsguy]

To be a little more clear, I want Jackal in a showdown today - but I would prefer it is with one or two other candidates. A runaway on him is brutal if he is a villager and doesn't yield maximum information if he is a wolf. The guys I listed in Post #420 are the ones that I would like to see as part of a showdown scenario.

[PurdueBrad]

unvote Hoopsguy

vote St. Cronin

We're all playing a bit aggressive for a day one but none more-so than St. Cronin. This isn't locked in stone, particularly because I'll be the only one here but it's a bit of a ping. I'm looking through Jackal's posts as well as a few others although I think Jackal asked an important question, why him?

[st.cronin]

I'm a second tier player? That cuts.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I'm a second tier player? That cuts.

I consider myself a second tier player as well, if it helps.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I'm a second tier player? That cuts.

If you're a 2nd tier player I'm an Elventy Billionth tier player.

[The Jackal]

I guess I'll reveal as well. I'm a knight. I realize this puts a huge bullseye on me because the wolves will most likely be looking to kill knights quickly, but maybe a rook can save me (if I somehow survive this lynching). My partner knight may or may not be on me, I refuse to divulge that information because it'd make the pool of players the wolves target much smaller.

I'm voting no lynch. Lynch me if you want.

unvote hoops

[b]vote no lynch[b]

I can only hope that some people see some merit in this, and that maybe I have a couple friendly pawns.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I'm a second tier player? That cuts.

I don't think you are but that earned a vote from me on you, so I guess it's good one way, bad another.

St. Cronin, have you been more 'out there' this day one than usual? If so, why?

[jeheinz72]

I'm so friggin confused right now.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

I consider myself a second tier player as well, if it helps.

It was mock indignation. You have me way overrated.

[The Jackal]

My bad.

vote no lynch

[Qwikshot]

(Puts on Sherlock Holmes cap and puffs from a pipe)

Question 1:

If a player is voted off and he's a pawn, do all his pawns go?

Observation 1:

It is probable that partners could be both villager and wolf.


(more later - puff puff puff)

[PurdueBrad]

Can someone answer this quickly w/o me having to refer to the rules. Can we get a minor victory for beating the wolves and not worrying about the chess game?

[The Jackal]

The Jackal (9) - claphamsa (179), Narcizo (233), Lathum (277), hoopsguy (290), oliegirl (374), KWhit (405), Qwikshot (411), Neon Chaos (415), jeheinz72 (419)
hoopsguy (3) - mccollins (177), RendeR (197), Sonic Youth (286)
KWhit (2) - ntndeacon (226), st.cronin (273)
No Lynch (2) - path12 (386), The Jackal (430)
Barkeep49 (1) - Chief Rum (237)
RendeR (1) - Anxiety (238)
Qwikshot (1) - Barkeep49 (314)
st.cronin (1) - PurdueBrad (426)

[path12]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Oooooh, oooooooh, you're the herbalist, aren't you?!?

[The Jackal]

[quote=Qwikshot;1722188]Question 1:

If a player is voted off and he's a pawn, do all his pawns go?/quote]

Yes.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Can someone answer this quickly w/o me having to refer to the rules. Can we get a minor victory for beating the wolves and not worrying about the chess game?

NM, found it myself. Doesn't seem like it as it would still come down to the kings.

[The Jackal]

vote no lynch

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by path12

Hehe, I knew that you or anyone I was a wolf with would appreciate that!

[The Jackal]

what in the hell, how did that happen

[Qwikshot]

Intersting...

so now there are two reveals...

If The Jackal is a knight, then my suggestion is that he scan hoops this evening and reveal what the scan is...

we may just have two key pieces to start the puzzle...and find out who is who and then who is wolf...

(puff puff)

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Qwikshot

(Puts on Sherlock Holmes cap and puffs from a pipe)

Question 1:

If a player is voted off and he's a pawn, do all his pawns go?

Observation 1:

It is probable that partners could be both villager and wolf.


(more later - puff puff puff)

Absolutely. I mean, I trust my partner, and he's cool and all, but I'm still watching for any slip, you know?

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Can someone answer this quickly w/o me having to refer to the rules. Can we get a minor victory for beating the wolves and not worrying about the chess game?

NO.

Which is why No Lynch was the BEST VOTE. We play the chess game, and let the Wolves figure out who's who, without helping them trim our numbers down.

But nooooooo people wanted to crap on the no lynch vote. Get some information. See voting patterns. No Lynch is stupid.

Well, we now have two reveals on day one.

Whaddya know, we got information afterall.

Unvote Jackal
Vote No Lynch

[The Jackal]

I'll scan hoops, sure. But I'm not going to last until this evening unless people trust me a little here.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

I don't think you are but that earned a vote from me on you, so I guess it's good one way, bad another.

St. Cronin, have you been more 'out there' this day one than usual? If so, why?

I don't think so. Normally on day 1 I place a vote fairly early for whatever reason (sometimes its random, sometimes its genuine suspicion), and then leave it there regardless of what develops. Usually if I have a role I use my day 1 vote as a way of planning some kind of strategy. I used to be very suspicious of people who changed their vote on day 1, but the werewolf culture on this board tends to lead to multiple unvotes on day 1, so I've gone away from that lately.

By the way I just want to point out that neither reveal rules out those players being wolves - they could be truthful reveals, yet still come from a wolf.

[Abe Sargent]

Now I'm just confused. I need air! I'm leaving for a while. be bak in an hour ro so. I've been here too long.

[Abe Sargent]

Everybody's role revealing, and I'm not sure what that means and all of this stuff, so wow.