WW LXXIV Killer Kittens on Mount FujiMori day (GAME OVER- KITTENS WIN)

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I disagree. My thinking was the PB was a wolf, and JE was protecting him -- the reason I had my vote on hoops, only to switch it later, was to see what would happen with the heat on PB.

on day 1? suuuuuuuuuuure.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Late vote switching on day 1 is stupid for a villager (unless you're looking to protect yourself). I've argued this before.

I agree. That crap pisses me off.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Ok, so a tie = no lynch.

Fair amount of scattered votes, one no vote, and lots of late movement. I think we still may have gotten something to look at but no way to verify.

[EagleFan]

Looks like I miised a lot and it looks like we have some good moves to analyze for day one. Even with the no lynch that should make for a good bit of day one data.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

on day 1? suuuuuuuuuuure.

I didn't say it was the best theory, but at the time I didn't want to bandwagon PB -- I wanted to keep it close, and to make it so that PB had to choose one of the two to vote for -- in case we were wolf/villager/wolf.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by KWhit

I agree. That crap pisses me off.

PING: Chess

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

That may be, but even as a villager, I'm always looking toward the next day. If Lathum and I were trying to save hoops, why would we vote for different people?

unvote hoops was all that mattered.

As I suggested earlier, I thought it was highly probable that a tie would lynch both leading vote-getters. By splitting your votes, you let the villagers decide which of the kittehs to give the ax.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

You argue and argue, then decide to not decide!

Send in ur night actions... you have until 2! but if I get them all before then Ill push it otu now!

Clap- Your game and your choice, but we had a stretch a while back where the GM would run the night phase early if they had all the actions and it created all kinds of problems.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

That may be, but even as a villager, I'm always looking toward the next day. If Lathum and I were trying to save hoops, why would we vote for different people?

moar funny pictures

[oliegirl]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Don't worry -- if you're a dog, you're slathered in catsup.

Wouldn't that make him a Weiner Dog then????

LOL!!!

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by mccollins

unvote hoops was all that mattered.

As I suggested earlier, I thought it was highly probable that a tie would lynch both leading vote-getters. By splitting your votes, you let the villagers decide which of the kittehs to give the ax.

How did the villagers get to decide that?
How do you know those two are kittehs?
I don't like to play "if I were a wolf, why would I?" but I'm going to. Maybe it's because I'm being lumped in with Lathum that's making me do it. But you really think that if Lathum, me, and hoops were wolves, that Lathum and I would vote for hoops, knowing he's a guy who gets a lot of Day 1 votes, only to unvote him simultaneously five minutes to deadline?

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I didn't say it was the best theory, but at the time I didn't want to bandwagon PB -- I wanted to keep it close, and to make it so that PB had to choose one of the two to vote for -- in case we were wolf/villager/wolf.

Yeah, worked well, I ended up having to choose both.

[jeheinz72]

It's my experience that close votes like this almost certainly mean that we had a wolf in the targets somewhere. I'd frankly be shocked if one of those 3 isn't a wolf. Hence why I'm prone to late vote switches like that as a villager, kinda like a mini-duke. If I'm vanilla as I am this game, I'll take a shot figuring worst-case I miss and at least I'm not roled when I die later.

I was going to break the tie, but I couldn't figure out who was exactly tied when I got back from smoking at like 8:58. I was pretty sure my only option to break was to switch to PB and frankly of the 3 people up there, I'd rank him last as far as actually thinking he's the wolf. But I couldn't count up the votes quick enough anyways so I wasn't sure.

As far as me protecting PB, well, whatever, I wasn't. I don't really have a "defense" against it, but I wasn't, I'm as kitteh as kitteh can be. Go ahead and lynch me if that's a problem.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by mccollins

unvote hoops was all that mattered.

As I suggested earlier, I thought it was highly probable that a tie would lynch both leading vote-getters. By splitting your votes, you let the villagers decide which of the kittehs to give the ax.

Unvote hoops is all that mattered?

Um, no. Not when there was a 3 way tie.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Late vote switching on day 1 is stupid for a villager (unless you're looking to protect yourself). I've argued this before.

I disagree, movement causes other people to move and can smoke someone out later on.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

moar funny pictures

If there's a comment for me to reply to here, I can't read it.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Clap- Your game and your choice, but we had a stretch a while back where the GM would run the night phase early if they had all the actions and it created all kinds of problems.

oh really? Ill hld off till 2 then
thanks for the heads up!

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

If there's a comment for me to reply to here, I can't read it.

Basically I think Cronin is calling you out as a dog.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

It's my experience that close votes like this almost certainly mean that we had a wolf in the targets somewhere. I'd frankly be shocked if one of those 3 isn't a wolf.

.

what 3 are you talking about?

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Yeah, worked well, I ended up having to choose both.

Actually no, this is wrong. I made the Hoops choice although that apparently didn't matter as Mccollins had unvoted Cronin and then I didn't have a choice but to switch to Cronin. So basically somewhere in all that movement, people basically attempted to take my choice away.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

It's my experience that close votes like this almost certainly mean that we had a wolf in the targets somewhere. I'd frankly be shocked if one of those 3 isn't a wolf. Hence why I'm prone to late vote switches like that as a villager, kinda like a mini-duke. If I'm vanilla as I am this game, I'll take a shot figuring worst-case I miss and at least I'm not roled when I die later.

Except that invariably 3-4 people end up thinking the same thing and all hell breaks loose right at deadline - ending in a tie.

I hate the late vote switches for no reason.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Yeah, worked well, I ended up having to choose both.

The point is that he took responsibility away from you. Both of your votes were completely self-defense, so you never really had to choose which of the two you thought was a wolf. There was a LONG time where it was 4-4-4, but you didn't "choose" until a few minutes after mccollins changed things up. Of course, from your POV, once mccollins did that, that's of course what you should have done -- but I think it's significant that mccollins created that situation, and you didn't do anything until he did that.

[st.cronin]

Pass - you were either suspicious of hoops or not. If you thought that one of PB or me was a wolf, then you should have picked one of us. By voting hoops, all you did was make it less likely that either PB or me would get lynched. I just don't see any way your play can be read as villager friendly.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Lathum

what 3 are you talking about?

Hoops, PB and Cronin.

[DanGarion]

You people talk to much.

Anyway I'm still new to the game and figuring out. I figured I'd just pick Lathum since he said he was a wolfie, what more reason so I need. He looks guilty...

[claphamsa]

Wow, not a single vote for me on day 1! thats been a loooong time!

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Except that invariably 3-4 people end up thinking the same thing and all hell breaks loose right at deadline - ending in a tie.

I hate the late vote switches for no reason.

True, but if it's a tie with no movement anyhow...

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Unvote hoops is all that mattered?

Um, no. Not when there was a 3 way tie.

Yes, on the theory that in that scenario hoops was a dog and the other two were kittehs. The other dogs in the scenario, Pass and Lathum, unvote their dog-mate and then they don't care which of the other two get lynched since they are both villagers to them.

Again, it's just a theory for the scenario.

[Passacaglia]

Okay, we've got two hours until night is over. I'm going to put out a distrust list in case we get killed, and I suggest others do the same:

1. PurdueBrad
2. mccollins
3. jeheinz72

This is an ordered list.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Basically I think Cronin is calling you out as a dog.

Crikey -- and my whole theory was predicated on trusting him. That's worrisome.

[st.cronin]

Pass - it was a picture of a husky and a tiny kitteh. Caption reads: um hai i tink i found a dog

[jeheinz72]

I can't see a scenario, short of an ill-advised Seer-ish reveal where I'm not voting for one of the 3 vote getters today or Passacaglia.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by mccollins

Yes, on the theory that in that scenario hoops was a dog and the other two were kittehs. The other dogs in the scenario, Pass and Lathum, unvote their dog-mate and then they don't care which of the other two get lynched since they are both villagers to them.

Again, it's just a theory for the scenario.

thats just Ludicrous.

If me, hoops and Pass were all dogs do you really think we would approach day 1 that way, cmon.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Okay, we've got two hours until night is over. I'm going to put out a distrust list in case we get killed, and I suggest others do the same:

1. PurdueBrad
2. mccollins
3. jeheinz72

This is an ordered list.

1. mccollins
2.
3.
4.
5.
6. jeheinz
7. PB

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Pass - you were either suspicious of hoops or not. If you thought that one of PB or me was a wolf, then you should have picked one of us. By voting hoops, all you did was make it less likely that either PB or me would get lynched. I just don't see any way your play can be read as villager friendly.

In the end, my vote was recorded as being on the guy I thought was a wolf. I don't think it's any less likely that PB gets lynched because I had my vote on hoops before that.

[KWhit]

I think the top of my distrust list would be mccollins and st.cronin right now.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Lathum

thats just Ludicrous.

If me, hoops and Pass were all dogs do you really think we would approach day 1 that way, cmon.

I agree now after some more discussion since the deadline, but I was just trying to explain my previous comments.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by dangarion

You people talk to much.

Anyway I'm still new to the game and figuring out. I figured I'd just pick Lathum since he said he was a wolfie, what more reason so I need. He looks guilty...

Welcome to WW! Yeah, it can get hectic close to deadline, but that's part of the fun!

[EagleFan]

Haven't seen enough yet so no CoT list but a possible distrust list based on late moves:

jeheinz
PurdueBran
mccollins

I want to add cronin to that list but can't find a reason yet (I guess I can't let go of that first game when you fooled me on the last day of the game and then ripped my throat open with your wolfish fangs).

No particular order though.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Haven't seen enough yet so no CoT list but a possible distrust list based on late moves:

jeheinz
PurdueBran
mccollins

I want to add cronin to that list but can't find a reason yet (I guess I can't let go of that first game when you fooled me on the last day of the game and then ripped my throat open with your wolfish fangs).

No particular order though.

Late moves?

I didn't make a late move, so why am I on that list?

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

In the end, my vote was recorded as being on the guy I thought was a wolf. I don't think it's any less likely that PB gets lynched because I had my vote on hoops before that.

I'm sorry. That sounds completely inane to me.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

1. mccollins
2.
3.
4.
5.
6. jeheinz
7. PB

So am I 2nd and or are there mystery people in spots 2-5.

[Alan T]

Looks like a fun deadline. Just popped in for a second, now out again. If I live through tonight I'll give my thoughts for where my vote will go based on that deadline finish.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

So am I 2nd and or are there mystery people in spots 2-5.

You and PB are a very very very very distant 2nd and 3rd to me.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

You and PB are a very very very very distant 2nd and 3rd to me.

OK that makes sense.

Since you here and if you don't mind me asking, what's your "case" against me?

Just figure since I"ve shown up on 2 lists I should know what attack the dogs are making against me.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

He's getting my vote tomorrow, barring something interesting happening.

I'll beat ya to the punch:

Day 2
Vote Coffee Warlord

(Again, I've never played with you so I'm not sure how to take your almost moderator-like role in the voting. It felt very heavy handed as if you were attempting to orchestrate things. Just let people vote.)

[jeheinz72]

17, so what do we think, 3 wolves or 4?

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by mccollins

I'll beat ya to the punch:

Day 2
.)

It's not Day 2 yet, 89 more minutes.

[hoopsguy]

Well, I'm glad to be around although not all that thrilled with how the no-lynch went down. Color me surprised that Clap had that as his tie-breaking mechanism.

I'm still swamped at work, but I'll definitely catch up with this over the weekend. If someone has time, putting together a complete vote record for today would probably be helpful.

Example:
Player A votes Player B (post #100)
Player C votes Player A (post #101)
Player A unvotes Player B, votes Player C (Post #102)

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by mccollins

I'll beat ya to the punch:

Day 2
Vote Coffee Warlord

(Again, I've never played with you so I'm not sure how to take your almost moderator-like role in the voting. It felt very heavy handed as if you were attempting to orchestrate things. Just let people vote.)

And to me, your reasoning/analysis has either been 1) bordering on the insane, 2) exceptionally wolfish.

'Just letting people vote' is worthless. You HAVE to push people, force debates, push buttons, scoop the litterbox, etc etc etc. I have no role, and when I have no role, I'm going to call people out and push buttons, right or wrong, until I get killed.