Werewolf LVII: Cathedral (GAME OVER!) - Page 9

Lathum · 10-16-2007, 04:42 PM

Jesus it's slow around here

Lathum · 10-16-2007, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Anxiety

Of course we don't know how much damage, but since we don;t know, it just is prudent to have as few areas to guard as possible. Again , assuming the stated role of the guardian angel is inteh game, but I beleive we shoud operate under that assumption until we have evidence to the contrary.

I don't really agree with this. I think it is better to spread out our work until we know how much damage can be done.

Abe Sargent · 10-16-2007, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Jesus it's slow around here

Yeah. Normally work day is busy around here.

oliegirl · 10-16-2007, 04:50 PM

Ugh.

It's 4:50 and I have NO idea who I'll be casting a vote for tonight. It really doesn't feel like we're any further along than we were this morning.

Anyone care for a discussion????

Mr. Wednesday · 10-16-2007, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I don't really agree with this. I think it is better to spread out our work until we know how much damage can be done.

Not spreading out the work gives fewer targets for sabotage.
Spreading out the work gives fewer opportunities for demons to fake work without sticking out like a sore thumb.

I'm going to work on the artwork again today. I've got some lovely gold statues to finish.

WORK ON ARTWORK

Mr. Wednesday · 10-16-2007, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by oliegirl

Ugh.

It's 4:50 and I have NO idea who I'll be casting a vote for tonight. It really doesn't feel like we're any further along than we were this morning.

Anyone care for a discussion????

Any patterns that stick out about the vote?

Anybody that intentionally created ties later in the voting?

I didn't move my vote after DT's reveal, but I didn't see an actual reveal until it was much too late to do anything, and there were several others who simply felt that it wasn't likely to accomplish much if we shifted (although there is the possibility for a bodyguard role, which could have kept him alive...).

Passacaglia · 10-16-2007, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I don't really agree with this. I think it is better to spread out our work until we know how much damage can be done.

How will knowing how much damage can be done help?

I think it's moot at this point anyway. We've got the wall completed, and if we plan to finish all 5 parts, the Demons can just go after the wall, regardless of what we do.

path12 · 10-16-2007, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Michah – May designate an area to be safe from wolf sabotage each night.

Could this guy guard the whole cathedral? Or just a portion?

oliegirl · 10-16-2007, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

Any patterns that stick out about the vote?

Anybody that intentionally created ties later in the voting?

I didn't move my vote after DT's reveal, but I didn't see an actual reveal until it was much too late to do anything, and there were several others who simply felt that it wasn't likely to accomplish much if we shifted (although there is the possibility for a bodyguard role, which could have kept him alive...).

I don't think one night of votes is enough to distinguish a pattern, and I don't remember any ties, I'd have to go back and check though to be sure on that one. The only thing that I remember from yesterday's vote is RendeR voting at the last minute, which could mean that he's a wolf, or it could just mean that he was busy yesterday.

Hoops has been kinda quiet so far, and he's always a wolf, isn't he?

Lathum · 10-16-2007, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

How will knowing how much damage can be done help?

I think it's moot at this point anyway. We've got the wall completed, and if we plan to finish all 5 parts, the Demons can just go after the wall, regardless of what we do.

I think that information is key.

If their attack whittles us down by a significant amount, say 5 units, we are better off pecking away a few at at time and being able to finish all at once as opposed to finishing one a day.

IMO

Abe Sargent · 10-16-2007, 05:21 PM

I've got and shopping. I'll be back well before ten, but not for a few hours.

Lathum · 10-16-2007, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by oliegirl

Hoops has been kinda quiet so far, and he's always a wolf, isn't he?

is this a joke?

Neon_Chaos · 10-16-2007, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by oliegirl

I don't think one night of votes is enough to distinguish a pattern, and I don't remember any ties, I'd have to go back and check though to be sure on that one. The only thing that I remember from yesterday's vote is RendeR voting at the last minute, which could mean that he's a wolf, or it could just mean that he was busy yesterday.

From peering into the records of days past, I see that in the 243rd entry that the Moneylender tied the count of votes by placing his upon the Novice. The truly decisive vote would be that of our Knight, on the 252nd entry, whose boldness proved to be in the wrong, and led to the demise of the gifted innocent.

oliegirl · 10-16-2007, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

is this a joke?

It was said with a note of sarcasm, yes...why do you ask?

Lathum · 10-16-2007, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by oliegirl

It was said with a note of sarcasm, yes...why do you ask?

because I thought it was funny

Lathum · 10-16-2007, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

From peering into the records of days past, I see that in the 243rd entry that the Moneylender tied the count of votes by placing his upon the Novice. The truly decisive vote would be that of our Knight, on the 252nd entry, whose boldness proved to be in the wrong, and led to the demise of the gifted innocent.

right, because I knew he was the seer.

Neon_Chaos · 10-16-2007, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

right, because I knew he was the seer.

I am not placing blame, good Ser Knight. I am merely pointing out what has been recorded.

Perhaps we should then question the reason why those who were present at the unfortunate reveal of the gifted one were fortunate enough to have listened to his plight, and yet refused, or ignored his claim, choosing to reward his honesty with death?

oliegirl · 10-16-2007, 05:42 PM

Well...since we know Lathum is the Knight and I'm the Page, and part of his "super power" is that he can order me to do things. And since I know I'm a villager, doesn't that also make him a villager?

Question for Barkeep...can a wolf/demon have a power that can be wielded over a villager?

Neon_Chaos · 10-16-2007, 05:46 PM

Might I point out the Bible once again, a passage has intrigued me.

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Azazel – Brutal wolf. If lynched he will be able to kill another player. If killed at night he will kill the player attacking him before he dies.

Doth this passage mean to say that there is one who has the ability, nay, the bravery to attempt and slay demons at night? I pray that this is so, and that the good Lord may guide him to strike fear upon the hearts of the demon hoarde!

Lathum · 10-16-2007, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

I am not placing blame, good Ser Knight. I am merely pointing out what has been recorded.

Perhaps we should then question the reason why those who were present at the unfortunate reveal of the gifted one were fortunate enough to have listened to his plight, and yet refused, or ignored his claim, choosing to reward his honesty with death?

I already pointed out why I didn't switch but I will do it again.

the obvious ploy of a wolf would be to say you are the seer if you are on the block. You can either force the real seer to reveal or save your own ass. And if the person is the real seer they are a goner anyway. I think the better play is take the 1/16 chance you actually were unfortunate enough to hit the seer as opposed to the 1/4 chance of hitting a demon who is lying about being the seer

Neon_Chaos · 10-16-2007, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I already pointed out why I didn't switch but I will do it again.

the obvious ploy of a wolf would be to say you are the seer if you are on the block. You can either force the real seer to reveal or save your own ass. And if the person is the real seer they are a goner anyway. I think the better play is take the 1/16 chance you actually were unfortunate enough to hit the seer as opposed to the 1/4 chance of hitting a demon who is lying about being the seer

What, pray tell, doth saving a donkey serve in this purpose?

RendeR · 10-16-2007, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by oliegirl

Well...since we know Lathum is the Knight and I'm the Page, and part of his "super power" is that he can order me to do things. And since I know I'm a villager, doesn't that also make him a villager?

Question for Barkeep...can a wolf/demon have a power that can be wielded over a villager?

Wouldn't really matter if he were a demon or not Oli, the "power" is more or less the fat that you are his employe/serf/servant and if he orders you to do something, you as a loyal servant, so do.

He could well be a demon, then again, so could yo. it wouldn't have any bearing on that specific ability.

Lathum · 10-16-2007, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

What, pray tell, doth saving a donkey serve in this purpose?

huh?

Neon_Chaos · 10-16-2007, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

huh?

An ass, ser Knight, an ass. I have a plump, round one. It serves me well.

oliegirl · 10-16-2007, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Might I point out the Bible once again, a passage has intrigued me.

Doth this passage mean to say that there is one who has the ability, nay, the bravery to attempt and slay demons at night? I pray that this is so, and that the good Lord may guide him to strike fear upon the hearts of the demon hoarde!

Sounds like it, but he's still a wolf...which means it's going to be a challenge to figure out who he is. I'm guessing it's someone who has been kind of quiet, as lynching him would basically mean the villagers got 2 wolves instead of one.

Lathum · 10-16-2007, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

An ass, ser Knight, an ass. I have a plump, round one. It serves me well.

I still have no idea what you are talking about

st.cronin · 10-16-2007, 05:56 PM

Is Alan's vote for me the only vote?

Neon_Chaos · 10-16-2007, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by oliegirl

Sounds like it, but he's still a wolf...which means it's going to be a challenge to figure out who he is. I'm guessing it's someone who has been kind of quiet, as lynching him would basically mean the villagers got 2 wolves instead of one.

Oh Page, I was merely making an observation that this demon-spawn can be killed at night. It means that there might be a brave sould who can slay demons.

Neon_Chaos · 10-16-2007, 05:57 PM

*soul

Lathum · 10-16-2007, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Is Alan's vote for me the only vote?

i voted early for RendeR

RendeR · 10-16-2007, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

What, pray tell, doth saving a donkey serve in this purpose?

Oh look, our glorious leader hath feigned ignorance. Dear Bishop, thou art a clergimen, you never have to feign ignorance, we all understand your ignorance to be absolute.

oliegirl · 10-16-2007, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

Wouldn't really matter if he were a demon or not Oli, the "power" is more or less the fat that you are his employe/serf/servant and if he orders you to do something, you as a loyal servant, so do.

He could well be a demon, then again, so could yo. it wouldn't have any bearing on that specific ability.

I know, but if him having power over me, who I know is a villager, ensures that he is also a villager then we (or at least I) have the beginning of a CoT.

RendeR · 10-16-2007, 06:02 PM

I'm still a bit baffled by Path's defense of Anxiety, there was never even a hint of a reason given other than "I say so" from path.

Can you give any suggestion of why or how you know anxiety is good path?

RendeR · 10-16-2007, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by oliegirl

I know, but if him having power over me, who I know is a villager, ensures that he is also a villager then we (or at least I) have the beginning of a CoT.

Unless BK comes round and says he couldn't if he were a demon then I think we have to go on the assumption that he could be evil, better the safe move than the blind folly of faith.

Lathum · 10-16-2007, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by oliegirl

I know, but if him having power over me, who I know is a villager, ensures that he is also a villager then we (or at least I) have the beginning of a CoT.

I have power over all the ladies.

st.cronin · 10-16-2007, 06:07 PM

I'd like to save my second action for the cathedral, but will cast a vote if I need to. I'll be around at deadline, I'll sit on that action as long as possible.

Lathum · 10-16-2007, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

I'd like to save my second action for the cathedral, but will cast a vote if I need to. I'll be around at deadline, I'll sit on that action as long as possible.

like RendeR did last night?

RendeR · 10-16-2007, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

like RendeR did last night?

Damnit I was trying to et someting out, but a vote wouldn't have mattered and I put in a work order at the deadline, its not my fault the blody server took 5 minutes to process it =)

st.cronin · 10-16-2007, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

like RendeR did last night?

Well, I wasn't around last night, but wasn't Render on the block? I think its a pretty standard play to hold your vote if you're worried about being lynched. Which, as a matter of fact, I am.

Mr. Wednesday · 10-16-2007, 06:16 PM

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I still have no idea what you are talking about

'Twas a joke about your modern stylings of language. Thou spake of someone "saving their ass", and the good bishop inquired as to the degree of need of saving one's animal.

RendeR · 10-16-2007, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Well, I wasn't around last night, but wasn't Render on the block? I think its a pretty standard play to hold your vote if you're worried about being lynched. Which, as a matter of fact, I am.

{yoda voice} you should be....you SHOULD be...{/yoda voice}

Mr. Wednesday · 10-16-2007, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

I'd like to save my second action for the cathedral, but will cast a vote if I need to. I'll be around at deadline, I'll sit on that action as long as possible.

Nobody "needs to" cast a vote (especially where Barkeep has already indicated that a lynching occurs every day under every circumstance), but failing to cast a vote gives greater weight to the people who have voted, and also raises some suspicion that your point in not casting a vote is to try to avoid leaving a vote trail that calls attention to yourself.

RendeR · 10-16-2007, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

Nobody "needs to" cast a vote (especially where Barkeep has already indicated that a lynching occurs every day under every circumstance), but failing to cast a vote gives greater weight to the people who have voted, and also raises some suspicion that your point in not casting a vote is to try to avoid leaving a vote trail that calls attention to yourself.

So yer saying that if I avoid voting, to avoid leaving a voting trail back to myself, then I've actually just led everyone right to my...self?

st.cronin · 10-16-2007, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

Nobody "needs to" cast a vote (especially where Barkeep has already indicated that a lynching occurs every day under every circumstance), but failing to cast a vote gives greater weight to the people who have voted, and also raises some suspicion that your point in not casting a vote is to try to avoid leaving a vote trail that calls attention to yourself.

Understood. But, as some have pointed out, its not going to be easy to build the cathedral. To do so we'll have to take some risks.

path12 · 10-16-2007, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

I'm still a bit baffled by Path's defense of Anxiety, there was never even a hint of a reason given other than "I say so" from path.

Can you give any suggestion of why or how you know anxiety is good path?

*shrug* I know what I know.

Lathum · 10-16-2007, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

*shrug* I know what I know.

how do you know it is the question?

oliegirl · 10-16-2007, 06:29 PM

Alright guys, I'm out for a while...will be back long before deadline though.

Barkeep49 · 10-16-2007, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by oliegirl

Question for Barkeep...can a wolf/demon have a power that can be wielded over a villager?

Perhaps. I mentioned this on the first day but here's how I did things. I put powers to roles. I then used Random.org for which roles would become angels/demons. Certain roles could not become an angel or a demon (I simply went to the next randomly generated #). Other roles, upon becoming an angel or demon, had their powers reduced.

path12 · 10-16-2007, 06:56 PM

This peon is on the way to Spamalot and will not be around until late, so needs to make a vote.

Problem is who to vote for. I was looking at Alan earlier, but I don't think he'd come out as aggressively as a demon, so for now am considering him a mistaken Liege. I don't really have another good target, just a guess, so that will be my vote.

VOTE SCHMIDTY

Lathum · 10-16-2007, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

This peon is on the way to Spamalot and will not be around until late, so needs to make a vote.

Problem is who to vote for. I was looking at Alan earlier, but I don't think he'd come out as aggressively as a demon, so for now am considering him a mistaken Liege. I don't really have another good target, just a guess, so that will be my vote.

VOTE SCHMIDTY

Path, if you are just taking a shot why not do more work on the cathedral instead?

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path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	This peon is on the way to Spamalot and will not be around until late, so needs to make a vote. Problem is who to vote for. I was looking at Alan earlier, but I don't think he'd come out as aggressively as a demon, so for now am considering him a mistaken Liege. I don't really have another good target, just a guess, so that will be my vote. VOTE SCHMIDTY __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

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