NFL 2022-23 Season Thread

[Solecismic]

So, when they play on Amazon, do they replace the quarterbacks with cheap knockoffs from China?

Though I suppose that's what Trubisky has looked like all season. It's actually on here, being a local game, and looks great since it's on broadcast, but the delay seems longer than usual - get plays over NFL.com about a minute earlier than on TV.

[Ksyrup]

Ha, I completely missed the end of the game last night. About 3 minutes left, I took the dogs out. I missed the Steelers FG. When I came back in it was 40 seconds and Browns ball. So I turned it off and went to sleep. I figured it didn't matter because I thought the score was still 23-14.

I talked to my boss this morning and he was pissed - he was going to win $250 on Draft Kings until the lateral play with no time left resulted in a defensive TD. I was like, "What are you talking about?" And then he explained it to me. Crazy. Example #12,684 for why I don't bet.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Crazy. Example #12,684 for why I don't bet.

It is funny to listen to some of these gambling podcasts where the guys put so much work into it and say things like "Since he has taken over as the starting QB they are 7-2 against the spread as home favorites when the kickoff temperature is 45 degrees or colder."

And then the bet is won or lost on some stupid lateral. Or the kicker missing a pointless XP with 2 seconds left or something equally random and unpredictable.

Betting analysis is 95% window dressing for everyone except for the very very few folks who are actually professional gamblers.

[Lathum]

I lost a pretty good chunk of change because apparently they don't kick the PAT in that situation anymore.

Curious what your bosses bet was. The consensus line was Browns -5.5. They were up 6 at the time of the fumble so it really shouldn't have mattered unless he took a different number like Steelers +6.5. I had the in game over 46.5 and of course it landed on 46.

You really can't beat the NFL. The lines are so dialed in.

[henry296]

It sounds like it may have been a DFS loss. I had a few double-ups go south on the defensive TD.

[miked]

I had CLE DEF in my fantasy league, so that last TD was clutch as it was a fumble and TD. Was going to be a sad score until that.

[Sweed]

My parlay went down. Killed the 45.5 under leg

[Lathum]

This didn't really work out so well for the last guy


Justin Herbert remains unsure if he can play, may get painkilling shot in ribs - ProFootballTalk

[JPhillips]

If the Bengals lose today they will have very little chance at a playoff spot. It will suck if both Cincy teams are out of it before the first month of the season is over.

[albionmoonlight]

Man, Darnold is totally out of it. Just missing open guys. Don't know if it is mental or physical or if this is just who he is. But he's non-functional as an NFL QB.

[JPhillips]

I bet there was good money to be made on Samaje Perine in game 3 being the first Bengals first half TD.

[Carman Bulldog]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Man, Darnold is totally out of it. Just missing open guys. Don't know if it is mental or physical or if this is just who he is. But he's non-functional as an NFL QB.

Do you mean Baker Mayfield?

[Coffee Warlord]

I'm quickly losing my faith in Justin Fields as ever being a legitimate passing QB.

[bhlloy]

Originally Posted by Carman Bulldog

Do you mean Baker Mayfield?

Nah, he’s watching Darnold play Madden at home on the couch.

[bronconick]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

I'm quickly losing my faith in Justin Fields as ever being a legitimate passing QB.

Well, he's an Ohio State quarterback so...

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by Carman Bulldog

Do you mean Baker Mayfield?

Yes. Short Darnold.

Jameis and the Saints are playing worse. This is a sadness game.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by bronconick

Well, he's an Ohio State quarterback so...

Bears playcalling is showing hints they don't trust Fields at all either. I get this team has very very few offensive weapons, and a questionable line (though honestly, I think the line has looked better than expected), but it honestly looks like Fields's accuracy has regressed from last year, and he's not seeing receivers.

[SirFozzie]

What in the actual..... Tua back on the field after what looked like an obvious concussion including dizziness and falling down????????

[rjolley]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Bears playcalling is showing hints they don't trust Fields at all either. I get this team has very very few offensive weapons, and a questionable line (though honestly, I think the line has looked better than expected), but it honestly looks like Fields's accuracy has regressed from last year, and he's not seeing receivers.

This has been my feeling as well. The coaches don't seem to trust Fields to make the reads and throws. Game isn't on here, but I've heard they've run the ball multiple times on 3rd and 5+. You don't do that with a QB you trust.

Then again, we did have a coach try a 64 yd FG with Russell Wilson at QB, so.....

[Thomkal]

Man, Buffalo's really struggling with the heat in Miami

[Solecismic]

The question with Fields is how much playing time do you give a quarterback before you give up? He's only on his 13th start, but he's not developing at this point.

They gave Trubisky a lot more time than that, and as Pittsburgh is learning right now, you need a quarterback who doesn't give you security by constantly checking down rather than making good decisions.

Fields won't check down, but he locks on instead and is a turnover machine. He gives you the added dimension of a dangerous runner, but that's why you have running backs and, so far in the history of the NFL, there have only been a handful of quarterbacks who have mastered the art of dangerous running and winning and having more than a brief career. But they aren't turnover machines.

You look at them statistically, and you wonder how it's happening. I feel like I'm close to figuring this out, but there's still a missing piece. This is why I watch Baltimore every chance I get. Fields is not, so far, Lamar Jackson (though they have a similar build). Jackson is a dangerous passer in the red zone. Fields isn't.

Then you look at Trey Lance (another big guy who can run) and the injury last week, and you wonder why any team would want its quarterback to ever voluntarily act as a running back.

My sense is that Fields is an excellent example of the Ohio State quarterback curse (and that C.J. Stroud will end the curse) and by the end of this season, the Bears will be wondering whether to draft another one or go all in on Garoppolo (if he stays healthy, he's a franchise guy).

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

The question with Fields is how much playing time do you give a quarterback before you give up? He's only on his 13th start, but he's not developing at this point.

You have to wonder how much is too much with change and a developing QB. New head coach, new OC, new QB coach, new offense, changes to his throwing motion, changes to his footwork, ect.

I saw a qb last year that could make all the throws accurately. He locked onto his receivers, was slow with his reads, ect. It's expected of rookie qbs and how good a qb can be largely rests on how much they can improve in those areas. Right now fields is struggling with very basic, simple throws.

[miami_fan]

Can the media go hard on the narrative that Josh Allen won't be a real quarterback unless he stops doing all this running around? His running ability is killing the Dolphins today.

[Solecismic]

There are many moving parts to this analysis. The quarterbacks who have that running dimension tend to develop more quickly. Change in offense is to be expected in the game of football. You have the entire off-season and camp to study and learn.

Those who aren't yet proficient tend not to turn the ball over a lot. That might not be a correctable problem. It's the checkdown guys where the light sometimes comes on like that (hasn't with Trubisky, and it's probably time to permanently assign him to backup roles). I want to get a longer look at Tua soon, because it looks like that light just came on, and it might be more than the Tyreek Hill acquisition.

[Coffee Warlord]

Fields first 3 games this year.

8/17, 121yds (gross 105), 2tds 1int
7/11, 70yds (gross 48), 0tds, 1int
7/16, 99 yds (gross 82), 0td 2int

That's Johnathan Quinn / Craig Krenzel territory there.

[sabotai]

I'm sure instincts kick in and it's hard to overcome that, but it always surprises me when I see a player cut upfield when the clock is under 10 seconds and they're out of timeouts.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Look at the box score, you figure the Bills won in a blowout

[QuikSand]

Bills ran 90 plays to the Dolphins 39, by my quick count. Insane.

[NobodyHere]

Detroit is gonna Detroit

And last week everyone wanted Frank Reich fired and now Colts fans seemed to have forgotten about that.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Look at the box score, you figure the Bills won in a blowout

Perhaps, but I think one clue is that Allen threw it 63 times. That wouldn't be the case in a blowout.

[larrymcg421]

Are people finally willing to admit they were wrong about Tua?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Are people finally willing to admit they were wrong about Tua?

He isn't very good. He has 2 all pro receivers to bail him out of his routinely bad throws.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by Lathum

He isn't very good. He has 2 all pro receivers to bail him out of his routinely bad throws.

LMAO that statement must be a joke.

[larrymcg421]

3rd & 22 - Tua connects with Waddle - NFL Week 3 2022 - YouTube

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

LMAO you are a joke.

Really dude? You call me a joke because I have a different opinion?

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Really dude? You call me a joke because I have a different opinion? Go fuck yourself you know it all prick.

Your opinion is not based in reality. I don't even actually think you believe what you said. You just don't want to admit you were wrong.

But fair enough, I amended my initial post to say your statement was a joke.

[Lathum]

Every catch Hill had last week. Almost every ball was either a screen pass, a 4 yard out, thrown short or behind and he was bailed out. He is an NFL QB, of course he is going to make some throws, but he is still inaccurate and IMO not very good.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Your opinion is not based in reality. I don't even actually think you believe what you said. You just don't want to admit you were wrong.

But fair enough, I amended my initial post to say your statement was a joke.

Fair enough. I amended my statement calling you a know it all prick.

[larrymcg421]

I still don't see "routinely bad throws". The one deep ball was underthrown, but Hill didn't bail him out. He just had to slow up a little. The other deep ball was on the money. So was the one to Waddle today in a crucial situation (after undergoing a concussion) on 3rd and 22. He also threw a dart to Cracraft, splitting three Bills defenders for the first TD today.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

I still don't see "routinely bad throws". The one deep ball was underthrown, but Hill didn't bail him out. He just had to slow up a little. The other deep ball was on the money. So was the one to Waddle today in a crucial situation (after undergoing a concussion) on 3rd and 22. He also threw a dart to Cracraft, splitting three Bills defenders for the first TD today.

Like I said, he is an NFL QB, he is going to make some awesome throws. I see no level of consistency. I want him to succeed. I love the guy and would love for that franchise to be resurrected.

Maybe I am just influenced by all the hype coming out of college

[larrymcg421]

What really irritates me is I was defending Tua last year by talking about how poor his supporting cast was and people kept saying that didn't matter. It's the QB's job to win or lift the team up or whatever other warrior bullshit people buy into about NFL QB's. And now Tua is playing well and people are still shitting on him by saying he's only doing it because of his supporting cast.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

What really irritates me is I was defending Tua last year by talking about how poor his supporting cast was and people kept saying that didn't matter. It's the QB's job to win or lift the team up or whatever other warrior bullshit people buy into about NFL QB's. And now Tua is playing well and people are still shitting on him by saying he's only doing it because of his supporting cast.

I don't recall saying that but if I did it was wrong of me.

I get defending your guy on this board, I did it with Eli for years.

Hell, in 2015 people gave me shit for saying DeGrom was the best pitcher in baseball.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Solecismic

There are many moving parts to this analysis. The quarterbacks who have that running dimension tend to develop more quickly. Change in offense is to be expected in the game of football. You have the entire off-season and camp to study and learn.

Those who aren't yet proficient tend not to turn the ball over a lot. That might not be a correctable problem. It's the checkdown guys where the light sometimes comes on like that (hasn't with Trubisky, and it's probably time to permanently assign him to backup roles). I want to get a longer look at Tua soon, because it looks like that light just came on, and it might be more than the Tyreek Hill acquisition.

Field's footwork has changed a lot this year. I'm not sold on it being for the better. As I mentioned, given time last year he was putting the ball where he wanted with touch, accuracy, velocity, or whatever was needed. He can't hit anything now. The only throw I saw today that used the same footwork as last year was on his last throw of the game it was just a little 10 yard throw out to his RB but it looked natural and was accurate.

This roster isn't close to winning right now so I don't think Jimmy G is the answer. IMO you have to go back to the draft if Fields doesn't turn it around and Eberflus might get them enough wins to drop them out of the top 5 and within range of getting a top QB.

The level of ineptitude required for a franchise to struggle as much offensively as the Bears have year after year, decade after decade is unfathomable.

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by Atocep

The level of ineptitude required for a franchise to struggle as much offensively as the Bears have year after year, decade after decade is unfathomable.

I beg your pardon, sir. Recent discussions in this very forum point to the Bears' dominance.

Originally Posted by QuikSand

The Bears are 5-0, and you'd have to be including some carryover impressions from previous years to conclude anything but the Bears are playing the best of anyone in the NFL right now.

...(from 2006)

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

I beg your pardon, sir. Recent discussions in this very forum point to the Bears' dominance.



...(from 2006)

I'm not sure what it says when we go back to the Rex Grossman years as a high point for the Bears offensively.

[Atocep]

While on the subject of quarterbacks, I'm a homer on this but I always throught Geno was a better QB than he got credit for while playing for those awful Jets teams. Advanced stats had him grading out better than the numbers indicated at the time.

I don't think he's a top qb by any means, but he does throw it pretty well and with accuracy. He's making less boneheaded plays than he has in the past, but will still make the occasional play you can't explain.

I'm interested to see how the season plays out for him, but based on what I've seen so far he'd be a top 3 all time qb for the Bears right now.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by Atocep

I'm not sure what it says when we go back to the Rex Grossman years as a high point for the Bears offensively.

I still have Lovie drawling out "Rex Grossman is our quarterback" week after week etched into my skull.

[stevew]

Hey. So that Ass punt. Why didn’t Miami just take a safety in the first place?

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by stevew

Hey. So that Ass punt. Why didn’t Miami just take a safety in the first place?

Because a safety means the Bills only needed a FG. A punt means they still need a TD.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Maybe I am just influenced by all the hype coming out of college

Is there a bar that Tua can reach individually that will ever overcome that hype?

I have not seen as much of Tua as others have but he looks like a average to good NFL QB. Jimmy G-esque. He is capable of throwing for about 3800-3900 yards with a great play caller and a great support system. He is also going to take shots down the field that are going to hang there. He is going to thrive in an offense that ask him to throw in the 0-15 yard range most of the time. He is capable of quarterbacking your team to the lead in the 4th quarter of the Super Bowl and maybe even win it. But I don't think anyone would be shocked if the Dolphins drafted someone with Trey Lance-esque physical gifts to replace him.

If the bar for Tua is putting up better numbers than Justin Herbert with at least one 60 yard in the air TD pass a game because Tua was taken before him, Tua will fail to meet that standard IMO