Werewolf Xtreme III --- Game Over (Result in Post 434)

[The Jackal]

I'm pretty sanguine on timmae being truthful here, and I'm still leaning Telle as VV which leaves me with leaves me with render and CF

I had assumed CF was the sorcerer which it seems like was actually brit, so now his game is just confusing to me

render has skated by without much attention since he was involved in the d1 voting, which in retrospect i kind of wish we'd put more towards him d2

[CrimsonFox]

so what do you think of each of the remaining people jackal?

[The Jackal]

they both put late votes on CW, CF's originally was going to be the 3rd vote so at that point he could have been hoping render wouldn't switch

[The Jackal]

I mean, I guess I still have to consider the scenario that timmae got the lucky priest reveal, which throws a lot into question in terms of the voting record

[The Jackal]

it's bath and bed time for the kids i'll think about it a bit more and come back later, it's not the end of the world if I go down because I'm pretty sure we'd have one more shot, but i'll run through everyone again when I get back

timmae -- probably priest, maybe lucky wolf
telle -- probably villager, maybe a lucky slow play / late save at the d1 deadline
cf -- thought he was sorcerer, maybe a wolf, but being the 3rd vote on CW looks good if timmae is legit
render -- being the 4th vote on CW also looks good if timmae is legit

assuming timmae is legit, I'm guessing one of cf/render bought some credit by being one of the late votes on CW, and possibly even left timmae alive to reinforce that credit? it's not a bad move

[JAG]

Day 3 Voting as of Post 405:

1 The Jackal - CrimsonFox (386)

[timmae]

vote jackal

[The Jackal]

vote CF

[The Jackal]

I'm gonna watch the flyers but definitely seems like timmae and CF have their minds made up.. telle/render let me know if you have any questions

[EagleFan]

Let's Go Flyers!

[EagleFan]

[Coffee Warlord]

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by timmae

Render, can you explain why you think the hunter is still alive? I think it is possible that the hunter was NK'd (or lynched if you don't believe me yet).

I have zero evidence either way, I' assuming the best and that he's alive for the time being.

Originally Posted by timmae

Thoughts on Render.

I have a tough time overall with him as past games we have been at odds almost from D1 both times. I think it was 2. Anyways, he seems to me like a player that goes by tone, feel and syntax if that makes sense at all. Less Data Geek and more "aha, gotcha". Probably not fair but that's my take. Anyways, my reads on him have been absolutely more gut feel from my side because of that. When he pushed I pushed type thing. At the end of it all, I get the sense he is villager. He has pushed for info, stated hwhen something doesn't seem right and hasn't seemed to care much about how he has been viewed.

Leaning village here.

This is exactly how I play, almost always.

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

hmmmm render DID do THIS
coulda been insurance but that was at a time when I think the wolves could have won

I was wrong on Timmae, plain and simple. When given evidence enough to move my vote, i did so.

Originally Posted by The Jackal

I'm pretty sanguine on timmae being truthful here, and I'm still leaning Telle as VV which leaves me with leaves me with render and CF

I had assumed CF was the sorcerer which it seems like was actually brit, so now his game is just confusing to me

render has skated by without much attention since he was involved in the d1 voting, which in retrospect i kind of wish we'd put more towards him d2

With only 2 wolves, there is no way I would have voted for my teamate when it was a one vote swing. if i were a wolf I absolutely would have been forced to switch to keep him alive.

As I am not a wolf, history is what it is.

[RendeR]

I absolutely have been inactive today. I apologize profusely to you all. I am working now and just remembered to check in. totally my fault.

[Telle]

2 The Jackal - CrimsonFox (386), timmae (407)
1 CrimsonFox - The Jackal (408)

[Telle]

So my next report invention is going to have to be the vote count as of a given post. Since I don't have that yet, I'm going to try to manually figure out what the vote count was when things suddenly swung heavily towards Coffee.

Btw, the consensus at this point seems to be that timmae is legit. I'm not personally comfortable with that conclusion but admit that I'm possibly just being paranoid.

[JAG]

Day 3 Voting as of Post 417:

2 The Jackal - CrimsonFox (386), timmae (407)
1 CrimsonFox - The Jackal (408)

[RendeR]

I'm going to cote CrimsonFox, my reasoning is weak, I admit, but last game he was a key good guy and he was quiet as a mouse. this game he's been bouncing off the walls.

Also, its a key vote move to have the earliest vote on someone in this ruleset, because ties are broken by the oldest vote. CF placed the first vote today by a long margin.

Perhaps padding the tiebreak safety net a bit for himself?

VOTE CRIMSONFOX

[Telle]

End of Day 2
As of post #304, 9:19pm (with JAG's official count in post #308)
4 timmae - Coffee Warlord (186), RendeR (230), Telle (293), The Jackal (299)
2 Coffee Warlord - timmae (228), EagleFan (236)
1 EagleFan - CrimsonFox (304)

timmae reveals as Priest at 9:42pm in post #310

No vote movement until 9:55pm when CF attempts to vote Coffee but doesn't unvote in post #327
RendeR almost simultaneously votes Coffee in post #328

9:57pm CF unvotes and votes Coffee posts #330/331

[Telle]

Originally Posted by Telle

End of Day 2
As of post #304, 9:19pm (with JAG's official count in post #308)
4 timmae - Coffee Warlord (186), RendeR (230), Telle (293), The Jackal (299)
2 Coffee Warlord - timmae (228), EagleFan (236)
1 EagleFan - CrimsonFox (304)

timmae reveals as Priest at 9:42pm in post #310

No vote movement until 9:55pm when CF attempts to vote Coffee but doesn't unvote in post #327
RendeR almost simultaneously votes Coffee in post #328

9:57pm CF unvotes and votes Coffee posts #330/331

This paints both Render and CF in a very good light (assuming timmae is the Priest as he says he is). timmae was the vote leader by a two-vote margin. He revealed but people didn't immediately jump off him. Then with five minutes to go, both Render and CF move from timmae to Coffee, who has since been identified by timmae as a wolf. If either of them is a wolf and made that move, not knowing that another would be moving their vote too, then they had nothing to gain from it.. the likely result would have still been the Priest dead and nobody to say that they voted for a wolf last-second and must therefor be a good guy. There was not likely any panic that maybe everyone would move their votes, since more than ten minutes had gone by and we were still all trying to decide whether or not to trust timmae and it wasn't exactly looking good.

So at this point, I think my only option is to

VOTE The Jackal

[Telle]

3 The Jackal - CrimsonFox (386), timmae (407), Telle (420)
2 CrimsonFox - The Jackal (408), RendeR (418)

[RendeR]

since neither CF or myself could have known the other was literally voting at the same time the other was, and no sensible wolf os going to break a tie in FAVOR of lynching a wolf teamate, this leads me to believe that perhaps CF is not the other wolf.....thoughts?

[RendeR]

Are we all assuming telle is ok then? and if so, why?

[JAG]

Day 3 Voting as of Post 423:

3 The Jackal - CrimsonFox (386), timmae (407), Telle (420)
2 CrimsonFox - The Jackal (408), RendeR (418)

[Telle]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Are we all assuming telle is ok then? and if so, why?

timmae laid out his rationale upthread

[RendeR]

UNVOTE

VOTE THE JACKAL

[timmae]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Are we all assuming telle is ok then? and if so, why?

She highlighted that CF's last vote that lynched CW was not legit allowing him to cast the deciding vote. Clears both I think.

[RendeR]

After thinking over yesterdays vote more, this is where I'm at.

[Telle]

Originally Posted by RendeR

UNVOTE

VOTE THE JACKAL

Band-waggoner. Well if we don't win when we lynch The Jackal then we can go for you tomorrow

[RendeR]

You can but you'll lose totally then.

[JAG]

Deadline

[Telle]

Originally Posted by RendeR

You can but you'll lose totally then.

Honestly, if it's not The Jackal, then we're likely screwed anyways. All current info points to him, but that's LARGELY based on accepting what timmae has been saying as truth. If timmae isn't who he says he is, we lose with this lynch and there is no tomorrow.

[JAG]

Final Day 3 Voting:

4 The Jackal - CrimsonFox (386), timmae (407), Telle (420), RendeR (426)
1 CrimsonFox - The Jackal (408)

[JAG]

You have decided that The Jackal is the lynch for today. He is killed.

The werewolves have been eliminated. The village has won!

[timmae]

Yay for the village! Awesome game peeps.

Thanks for running this JAG. It was.... interesting.

[JAG]

Thanks for playing all. A very nice job by the village, a lot of good work put in by folks.

Your cast of characters:

1 seer - mauchow / EagleFan
2 priest - timmae
3 hunter - CrimsonFox
4 villager - Telle
5 villager - RendeR
6 villager - Autumn
7 werewolf - The Jackal
8 werewolf - Coffee Warlord
9 sorceror - britrock88

[RendeR]

Wooohoo!

[timmae]

Holy crap, disnt see that coming. EF didnt have a N1 peep.I guess so didnt claim. Wow. I lucked into my entire worldbuild. Mind blown.

[RendeR]

Telle runs the next game in a couple weeks

[Telle]

What were the two seer scan results?

[Telle]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Telle runs the next game in a couple weeks

Eh... I don't think so

[The Jackal]

Playoff hockey distracted me there but I don't think it would have mattered much -- EF being the seer slightly vindicated my waffled decision between NKing EF/timmae, I suppose. Good game village!

[JAG]

EF actually told me he was thinking about making a post near night deadline with his information (that timmae was his N0 scan), but timmae was able to convince people without the help which was crucial. The wolves I believe were offline or occupied at the time of the big day 2 reveal so they couldn't react, which was probably in the end what sealed the deal.

[The Jackal]

I was around for timmae's reveal but was hoping it wouldn't shift to CW so quickly. I don't think he was able to be there though

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Telle

What were the two seer scan results?

Only one, since mau missed the N1 scan. N0 = timmae not wolf.

[timmae]

So the late reveal helped us... hell yes!

[The Jackal]

Thanks again for the game JAG, although I had some BS going on in life I had fun and would enjoy playing some more

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by timmae

So the late reveal helped us... hell yes!

you played a very solid game, kudos

[The Jackal]

I probably should have done a fake seer reveal or something, clearly hunter wouldn't have helped too much

[JAG]

Speculation thread has been opened to all in case anyone wants to have a look.

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