Werewolf 107, Terror at Blizzcon, Basic Game, GAME OVER, HORDE WINS

[J23]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Yupyup! I was just about to say "Why are we following the advice of someone who we think is a wolf? Are we that easily swayed?"

If you're refering to spreading out the votes to force out the warlock, we're following the plan because it makes sense. If everyone is tied at 1 a piece, then whoever is lynched had the warlock voting for them, so we lynch them tomorrow. Trading 1 villager (today's lynch target) for 1 wolf tomorrow (warlock) is definately worth it considering that we outnumber the wolves.

If there are late moves to throw off the plan, then I, and many others, would likely look a lot harder at the people making those moves.

[J23]

Hrm, just in case...

Lathum, can the warlock role choose not to use his minion's voting power?

The description doesn't say anything about having an option, but the thought crossed my mind and wanted to make sure.

[MartinD]

Originally Posted by Autumn

If RealDeal does not change his vote, we could have MartinD vote me instead of EF (I think RealDeal voted for EF, right?). That should get things back in line.

Happy to go along with this - just be aware that I'll be offline from about 5.30 or 6 US Eastern time (the time difference strikes again...)

I'm just in for a brief look (am just back from my training run - only 13 weeks to London!), so will make the appropriate unvote/vote in a wee bit.

[Autumn]

ONe wrinkle I'll add -- we don't know that there is necessarily a warlock in the game. So the wolves might be happy to go along with this as it will simply waste a day's voting.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by J23

Hrm, just in case...

Lathum, can the warlock role choose not to use his minion's voting power?

The description doesn't say anything about having an option, but the thought crossed my mind and wanted to make sure.

the Warlock does not have that option.

[CrimsonFox]

can the priest PLEASE bring danny back

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

can the priest PLEASE bring danny back

That would be pretty sweet.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

can the priest PLEASE bring danny back

the priest needs to save his rez for the mage....at least until he reveals and either gives us who to trust or who to lynch...if the mage goes down and then gets rezzed, he will still be able to give us the results of his scans.

[CrimsonFox]

I don't know...Danny seems to be oozing wisdom more than any mage

[J23]

Completely agree w/ saldana in this. Building a COT would be nice, but we'll get just as big of a COT rezzing the seer, plus scan results. The only way I could see using it now is if something wacky happened w/ the voting to make the priest think they were going to be killed.

[CrimsonFox]

I can't believe I'm saying this but, I'm siding with dubb right now. I don't think listening to something EF wants to do right now is a good idea.
I'm not gonna screw up the plan, but remember EF is a target please.

I also think there is validity in keeping an eye on realdeal/golden eagle. I think they are wolves.

[CrimsonFox]

oh yeah...vote saldana

[J23]

Originally Posted by Danny

Darth plays much tighter as a wolf than he is so far this game. He is either a villager or feeling much more comfortable. It's enough for me to not vote that way.

Oozing? He's a good player, but I'll take a seer any day of the week with the cunning already having been killed.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by J23

I'd be careful declaring anyone a villager at this point without a seer stepping forward with a scan or a display of a villager power.

I'm also not sure why I'm in the "who the hell knows" bucket when I was the first one to vote Darth yesterday and didn't move it off when I had all day to do so.

I've only declared clap as villager and I stand behind that because of how he tried to nail darth and stick to the plan.

I put you in the "who the hell knows" category because I really haven't detected anything about your posts, neither good nor bad. dubb and autumn's moves confused me but yours really I get no read on. That's all. Nothing damning. Nothing saving.

[J23]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

I've only declared clap as villager and I stand behind that because of how he tried to nail darth and stick to the plan.

I'd have to look back, but I remember that Clap was trying to force the tie yesterday to narrow down the warlock, but Autumn threw it off in the last minute.

[CrimsonFox]

Here's a question. How do werewolf kills work? Do all the wolves "vote" on a killamongst the pack? Do just ONE of them vote?

[Autumn]

CF, they decide amongst themselves. They have to come to a decision and put in the order to Lathum by deadline. It's possible if some of them aren't in thread, they might leave it up to one of them to do.

[KWhit]

Whoa.

All this talk of rezzing Danny is worrying me. We have to save that for the seer.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Whoa.

All this talk of rezzing Danny is worrying me. We have to save that for the seer.

Well, that's good unless the priest gets killed before the seer, or the priest gets outed and night killed. Sure, saving the seer is the optimum play, but the safe play would be rezzing Danny, meaning the wolves are down 0-1 and we have a CoT, leaving the wolves to have to decide whether to get seer hunting or knock off the circle (and giving the BG someone to guard).

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Well, that's good unless the priest gets killed before the seer, or the priest gets outed and night killed. Sure, saving the seer is the optimum play, but the safe play would be rezzing Danny, meaning the wolves are down 0-1 and we have a CoT, leaving the wolves to have to decide whether to get seer hunting or knock off the circle (and giving the BG someone to guard).

Yeah, I know. And I see what you're saying. But I have just been in too many games (it seems like every one I've played in lately) where the seer has died without leaving us any indication of who he scanned (see EF last game, and I think the seer did the same thing in the game before that).

[GoldenEagle]

I am not a big fan of the plan because there are too many unknowns. We are essentially wasting an important day of voting history. It is the day after a wolf has been killed and voting history will be important to us down the road.

It also takes just one person who has a gut read to deviate from the plan and fuck everything up.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Yeah, I know. And I see what you're saying. But I have just been in too many games (it seems like every one I've played in lately) where the seer has died without leaving us any indication of who he scanned (see EF last game, and I think the seer did the same thing in the game before that).

BTW, I am NOT advocating the seer to do anything to reveal or jeopardize himself, though. I just like the idea of having the priest around as a backup plan if the seer gets offed before we learn anything from him.

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

It also takes just one person who has a gut read to deviate from the plan and fuck everything up.

Then they die tomorrow.

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

Then they die tomorrow.

It still seems risky for a role that may or may not be in the game. It is a good idea in theory but its probably not going to work. If there is no warlock, then the wolves are laughing at us right now.

[J23]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

I am not a big fan of the plan because there are too many unknowns. We are essentially wasting an important day of voting history. It is the day after a wolf has been killed and voting history will be important to us down the road.

It also takes just one person who has a gut read to deviate from the plan and fuck everything up.

We might be missing out on voting history for the day, but I think people's reactions to the plan are/will be pretty telling. As a villager, there is no way you should not want to sacrifice 1 villager today for a sure wolf tomorrow especially since we have a priest to rezz the seer if we get extremely unlucky.

By doing this, we either force the hand of the wolves to throw off the tie, or we find out who the warlock is. Either way, we learn a great deal from today if all of the villagers get behind the plan.

[J23]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

It still seems risky for a role that may or may not be in the game. It is a good idea in theory but its probably not going to work. If there is no warlock, then the wolves are laughing at us right now.

If there is no warlock, there would be no lynch, and we'd lose 1 day of history, you're right. If there is a warlock, then we kill a wolf, or force the wolves to try to sabotage the plan to save them.

[J23]

As of 426, here's today's voting:

(284) Render votes for EF
(322) EF votes for Render
(329) Schmidty votes for EF
(349) Poli votes for CF
(354) Autumn votes for EF
Plan comes together
(364) PB votes for Render
(365) RealDeal votes for EF
(366) J23 votes for PB
(367) Saldana votes for Kwhit
(368) Clap votes for RealDeal
(373) Jackal votes for Poli
(379) Autumn unvotes EF, votes for GE
(380) Poli unvotes CF, votes for MartinD
(382) EF unvotes Render, votes for CF
(384) MartinD votes for EF
(391) Spleen votes for Schmidty
(398) Kwhit votes for Clap
(412) CF votes for Saldana

Vote totals are EF at 4, lots at 1

Render, Schmidty and RealDeal are the only ones not following the plan so far.

I'm out until shortly before deadline most likely. I really hope I don't have to come home to move my vote because we can't all get behind this.

[Poli]

I can tell this isn't going to work. I just can't wait to see who decides to pull the trigger.

[Poli]

Of course, I'm not opposed to seeing EF fall today and we put this plan into action tomorrow. Chances are we'll have two fewer players and the chances that we can execute the plan tomorrow are greater, statistically speaking.

[KWhit]

I hope to be back online between 8-9, but I am on Daddy duty tonight by myself so you never know.

[saldana]

fyi all, i will probably not be back until after the deadline, or very close to it.

[GoldenEagle]

I am just expressing my object to the plan and my doubts that is going to work. I will go along with it if everyone does.

It will be nice to come back and say, see I told you this was not going to work.

[RealDeal]

Just to be clear, I think the warlock plan is good, just not when we have to coordinate more than a dozen votes. If I happen to survive to when we are down to 5-6 people, I'll gladly participate. At this point, however, I just want to play the freaking game.

[Lathum]

FYI the vote for EF by Dubb in post 284 does not count, Render is responsible for making his own vote

[Poli]

FYI, lathum is a hater.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Poli

FYI, lathum is a hater.

Only the Vols

[Lathum]

Vote Count

EF-3-Realdeal (365), Schmidty (329), MartinD (384)
CF-1-EF (382)
Sal-1-CF (412)
Kwhit-1- Sal ( 367)
Clap-1-Kwhit (367)
Realdeal-1-Clap (398)
GE-1-Autumn (379)
PB-1-J23 (326)
Render-1-PB (364)
Schmidty-1-Spleen (391)
Poli-1-Jackal (373)
MartinD-1-Poli (380)


No Vote- Render, GE

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Only the Vols

At least you know my team. You're such a vanilla fan I don't even know who you root for.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Poli

At least you know my team. You're such a vanilla fan I don't even know who you root for.

Not sure about college, but I think he is a Jets fan for the pros.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Poli

At least you know my team. You're such a vanilla fan I don't even know who you root for.

Originally Posted by Danny

Not sure about college, but I think he is a Jets fan for the pros.

I hate you both

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I hate you both

:highfive:

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by KWhit

I've read all of your posts. very closely, in fact. And when you say "hey, we're in a better position now because of what I did" four times, it comes across as someone who is trying to "spin" the outcome of last night to their favor.

One more time, and slowly this time.

I NEVER TOOK CREDIT FOR THE END RESULT!!!!

I did say that we are in better shape than we would have been with the other plan. It doesn't take a genius to see that.

Funny how you are trying to twist my words around. In each of those quotes I clearly say that I messed up and did not try to claim any kind of responsibility for what happened on the positive side. But it is plain and simple: I did what I did and we are in a better position. Without one event the others don't happen.

Now we have not only voting history to look at but we can try to disect what any of the scrambling after my move meant.

To be honest I would think that the wolves would be the ones pissed the most about what I did...

[MartinD]

I should have been in bed 20 minutes ago, so just doing what's needed.

VOTE AUTUMN

Will see how things work out in the morning...

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by RealDeal

Just to be clear, I think the warlock plan is good, just not when we have to coordinate more than a dozen votes. If I happen to survive to when we are down to 5-6 people, I'll gladly participate. At this point, however, I just want to play the freaking game.

That is playing the game...

Why wait until the game may be beyond the point of no return? Your plan only works if the warlock is the last one left. If there are 2 wolves left and you try that it is game over and the wolves win.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by MartinD

I should have been in bed 20 minutes ago, so just doing what's needed.

VOTE AUTUMN

Will see how things work out in the morning...

Don't you need to unvote first?

[GoldenEagle]

I will go along with the plan for now, but again I have documented my concerns.

VOTE J23

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

That is playing the game...

Why wait until the game may be beyond the point of no return? Your plan only works if the warlock is the last one left. If there are 2 wolves left and you try that it is game over and the wolves win.

I think he means why not let each person play their own game instead of being bullied into being told what to do, as which is happening. However it might also be a good defense for a wolf. I do agree that this "telling everyone how to vote stuff" is getting a bit heavy-handed especially when it means someone's butt on the line. The wolves are getting a free kill AND a free lynch tonight.

[Lathum]

Vote Count

EF-3-Realdeal (365), Schmidty (329), MartinD (384)
CF-1-EF (382)
Sal-1-CF (412)
Kwhit-1- Sal ( 367)
Clap-1-Kwhit (367)
Realdeal-1-Clap (398)
GE-1-Autumn (379)
PB-1-J23 (326)
Render-1-PB (364)
Schmidty-1-Spleen (391)
Poli-1-Jackal (373)
MartinD-1-Poli (380)
J23- 1- GE (446)

No Vote- Render

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

Then they die tomorrow.

WHich tells us nothing really, except that human nature ESPECIALLY INTERNET human nature is resistant to being told what to do. No guarantees of catching a wolf.

[CrimsonFox]

unvote saldana
vote Eaglefan