Werewolf L Kate Beckinsale - day 7, deadline Thursday 10pm Eastern Time

[JHandley]

Cartman, I get what you're saying. But, if there's another no lynch tonight, I'm seriously giving up on the village

[cartman]

Well, absent another breakthrough post, I'm going with:

VOTE NEON CHAOS

[JHandley]

If we surmise that the wolves can convert villagers to wolves, then wouldn't it make sense for them to tap inactive players? I don't think that BK is being aggressive, just premature. There's no reason to kill Alan yet, but there may and probably should be reason to kill him tomorrow or day 4.

[cartman]

I'm out until after the 9pm cutoff. I'm going out for more late night punishments with my cousins up here in Fort Worth...

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE BARKEEP

[tanglewood]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Here's Alan's reason. He was basically insisting on throwing away his vote. Either he believed in a lynch or he didn't. He acted on neither. His vote could have had an impact, but he chose to have it have none.

The problem I see with this is that I think there is no way a wolf would make up such a pm message and tell everyone the way Alan has on day 2 of a game. It makes no sense. I think there is a fair chance that Alan has been converted and he himself may not realise it at this point, but I am pretty sure that he was a good guy on day 1, so analysing day 1 actions as a reason to vote for him doesn't make sense.

[Alan T]

This is what I see the votes at currently:

5 - Neon Chaos - KWhit (344), RendeR (348), JHandley (388), Schmidty (393), Cartman
3 - Barkeep49 - Lathum (349), Antmeister, Daddytorgo
2 - Alan T - Barkeep49 (328), Gonzo (356)
1 - RendeR - path12 (282)
1 - Lathum - Dodgerchick (326)
1 - Antmeister - Chief Rum (395)

Not voted: LoneStarGirl, Telle, Alan T, Neon_Chaos, tanglewood


So another vote or two for barkeep, and his life might be in my hands!

[Barkeep49]

Another vote or two for me and I'd switch to Neon out of self preservation. At this point, I am tempted to argue that Lathum's full throated agreement with Alan about Alan being good leads me to think that Lathum is more likely evil now, though I still think Alan is a threat to us down the road.

[tanglewood]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Another vote or two for me and I'd switch to Neon out of self preservation. At this point, I am tempted to argue that Lathum's full throated agreement with Alan about Alan being good leads me to think that Lathum is more likely evil now, though I still think Alan is a threat to us down the road.

Alan could well be a threat. But not for the reasons you were attacking him. So now to me your switch off ont someone else looks dodgy too. I am this close to voting for you. But I am not sure if you are a wolf or you are just playing a bit lazy. And I don't consider you as someone who plays a lazy game of WW, Barkeep.

[LoneStarGirl]

Okay guys I just got back from umpiring, I only have 10 minutes. Can anybody give me a run down?

[JHandley]

What's dodgy about switching to Neon to keep himself from being lynched?

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by tanglewood

Alan could well be a threat. But not for the reasons you were attacking him. So now to me your switch off ont someone else looks dodgy too. I am this close to voting for you. But I am not sure if you are a wolf or you are just playing a bit lazy. And I don't consider you as someone who plays a lazy game of WW, Barkeep.

Lazy? Man I don't get how what I've done has been lazy.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by tanglewood

Alan could well be a threat. But not for the reasons you were attacking him. So now to me your switch off ont someone else looks dodgy too. I am this close to voting for you. But I am not sure if you are a wolf or you are just playing a bit lazy. And I don't consider you as someone who plays a lazy game of WW, Barkeep.

Why is Alan a threat then? I mean Alan is always a threat as an excellent bad guy, but is there more to it than that for you?

[tanglewood]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Lazy? Man I don't get how what I've done has been lazy.

Lazy in a logical sense.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by tanglewood

Lazy in a logical sense.

Really? You think that something strange happening to Alan last night is more likely good than evil? That's the basis of my argument.

As for against Lathum, I just wanted to get it out there. It's always easy to trust people as a wolf.

[DaddyTorgo]

LSG - Barkeep thinks Alan has been converted/was a wolf. Lathum+Alan think Barkeep is playing very unlike himself and is a wolf. wolves are likely hiding in the pile on neon chaos

[Telle]

Been busy with the little one's birthday party all day and trying to catch up with the posts.. but we're getting close to deadline..

VOTE BARKEEP49

[tanglewood]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Why is Alan a threat then? I mean Alan is always a threat as an excellent bad guy, but is there more to it than that for you?

Alan is a possible good guy unknowingly converted bad because of his pm he recieved. I do not think he was orignially a bad guy, nor thinks he is a bad guy (at least as of now) because if so he had no reason to reveal the pm as he did, when he did. Your logic of attacking him for his vote on day 1 thus does not make sense. He was almost certainly a good player on day 1, regardless of what his is now or could be tomorrow.

[Barkeep49]

UNVOTE ALAN T
VOTE NEON CHAOS


*sigh*

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by tanglewood

Alan is a possible good guy unknowingly converted bad because of his pm he recieved. I do not think he was orignially a bad guy, nor thinks he is a bad guy (at least as of now) because if so he had no reason to reveal the pm as he did, when he did. Your logic of attacking him for his vote on day 1 thus does not make sense. He was almost certainly a good player on day 1, regardless of what his is now or could be tomorrow.

I have actually argued that his being converted was the most likely scenario. However, I find his flat out accusation against Gonzo to be far more out of character for him than anything I've done.

[RendeR]

unvote neon chaos

vote barkeep

[Alan T]

Hmm

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

LSG - Barkeep thinks Alan has been converted/was a wolf. Lathum+Alan think Barkeep is playing very unlike himself and is a wolf. wolves are likely hiding in the pile on neon chaos

I have not read page 8 or 9, so this vote I am about to make is off of what little I have read and this post from Daddy. I totally agree that I think wolves are probably hiding in the Neon pile on, and there is probably a wolf that had a 'throw away vote' but if we are deciding to vote between Alant and Barkeep, and Alant got met by somebody last night, I kind of want to see what happens to alant over the next couple of days. I saw the word transformation mentioned, and I don't really know what that means, but I doubt a conversion happened on day 1.

So vote barkeep

[Alan T]

Quite a pile up on Barkeep at the end there.

Vote Neon_Chaos

[LoneStarGirl]

If Barkeep is not a wolf then I am sorry and I think we should look at those who pushed so hard for his lynching, in tomorrow's vote

[tanglewood]

I am ambivilant about lynching Neon Chaos. He is very unlikely to be a wolf, as even people who are busy will make time for a couple of posts minimum if they recieve a role pm. However he currently is adding nothing so is not that big a loss arguably.

However, I would rather have an inactive villager as a buffer of some sort than not try and hunt possible bad guys, therefore:

Vote Alan T

The pm has me suspicious. I don't see many ways losing your memory could be a good thing.

[Alan T]

Lets see what tanglewood does here

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Quite a pile up on Barkeep at the end there.

Vote Neon_Chaos

I dont understand why you didn't vote for him? Your vote here is like you are trying to save Barkeep. And you both are such good players that y'all might have been arguing for us to think you are on different sides when in fact you are on the same team.... This is suspicious

[tanglewood]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Quite a pile up on Barkeep at the end there.

Vote Neon_Chaos

So after all that, and you get in a position where you could force a Barkeep lynch, you vote someone else?

[Barkeep49]

We get a no lynch by my count.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by tanglewood

So after all that, and you get in a position where you could force a Barkeep lynch, you vote someone else?

Yep.. pretty much.

Anytime I see a 5 person run on someone without a great reason, especially with a ton of votes at the end, makes me think its not a wolf.

[st.cronin]

deadline

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

I dont understand why you didn't vote for him? Your vote here is like you are trying to save Barkeep. And you both are such good players that y'all might have been arguing for us to think you are on different sides when in fact you are on the same team.... This is suspicious

Why would you want to see what happens to Alan in a couple of days when that is more likely to be bad than good and either way we won't likely know? I mean if he is turning bad he isn't too likely to tell us, and further is likely to claim that it was something innocent or good.

[Barkeep49]

Man a no lynch is just awful. I mean I'm glad to be around and all but we're now two days in with no lynch. That blows. It would have been better for me to die so you can all see again how my playing differently is no different than how I think in at least every game since we've resumed people have accused me of playing differently.

[st.cronin]

updated vote count:

7 - Neon Chaos - KWhit (344), RendeR (348), JHandley (388), Schmidty (393), cartman (402), Barkeep49 (419), Alan T (424)
6 - Barkeep49 - Lathum (349), Antmeister (397), DaddyTorgo (405), Telle (417), RendeR (421), LoneStarGirl (423)
1 - Alan T - Gonzo (356), tanglewood (426)
1 - RendeR - path12 (282)
1 - Lathum - Dodgerchick (326)
1 - Antmeister - Chief Rum (395)

Not voted - Neon Chaos

Do I have the numbers right?

[tanglewood]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

We get a no lynch by my count.

I have it Neon Chas 5 votes to 4 for you.

[Barkeep49]

Also, I'd point out that for two days now Alan has hinted at one thing all day long (No lynch D1, me D2) and then found a last minute reason to go in another direction. Alan if you are human, I don't think those stunts do the village any good.

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Yep.. pretty much.

Anytime I see a 5 person run on someone without a great reason, especially with a ton of votes at the end, makes me think its not a wolf.

Where are you getting 5 people from? I see me Telle and Render. And I haven't been here all day, haven't even read the last 2 pages of the thread nor did I see Render's vote for BK, so it was really a 2 person run on him.

[tanglewood]

Hmm, maybe I missed a bunch of votes somewhere...

[RendeR]

Cronin, you have me voting twice, my vote should be on barkeep.

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by tanglewood

Hmm, maybe I missed a bunch of votes somewhere...

Counting isn't your strong suit, its okay

[Barkeep49]

cronin: I get your vote count if you don't count Render's vote as not following the rules. Otherwise I get 6-6.

[tanglewood]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

updated vote count:

7 - Neon Chaos - KWhit (344), RendeR (348), JHandley (388), Schmidty (393), cartman (402), Barkeep49 (419), Alan T (424)
6 - Barkeep49 - Lathum (349), Antmeister (397), DaddyTorgo (405), Telle (417), RendeR (421), LoneStarGirl (423)
1 - Alan T - Gonzo (356), tanglewood (426)
1 - RendeR - path12 (282)
1 - Lathum - Dodgerchick (326)
1 - Antmeister - Chief Rum (395)

Not voted - Neon Chaos

Do I have the numbers right?

You have Render voting for both Barkeep and Neon Chaos. He changed to Neon Chaos.

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Cronin, you have me voting twice, my vote should be on barkeep.

Damn, so that would be a no lynch.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

Where are you getting 5 people from? I see me Telle and Render. And I haven't been here all day, haven't even read the last 2 pages of the thread nor did I see Render's vote for BK, so it was really a 2 person run on him.

Antmeister, Daddytorgo, Telle, Render, Lonestargirl all voted barkeep to blow it open while only Cartman and barkeep went a different direction.

I watched all day to see what happened, and even egged it on to see who came in with votes.

All arguements today aside, I understand Barkeep's viewpoint and just think he's wrong about how to handle my situation is all. I don't think Barkeep would be arguing the way he did if he was a wolf (despite what i said earlier today), and I think Barkeep is a good player whom the wolves would like to get rid of.

I see no reason for that many people to jump on him for speaking his mind, while letting someone who hasn't contributed anything at all go for another day.

[tanglewood]

Originally Posted by tanglewood

You have Render voting for both Barkeep and Neon Chaos. He changed to Neon Chaos.

Sorry, he changed to Barkeep. As per his won words I guess...

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

Damn, so that would be a no lynch.

Yeah, i am pretty stunned by Alan T's vote after all that yacking. I expected his vote to be on barkeep as well and shifted to him based on the ongoing conversation.

Stupid ties.

[JHandley]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

Damn, so that would be a no lynch.

And another missed vote from Neon.

[DaddyTorgo]

that's an interesting fustercluck there

[st.cronin]

Thanks guys, I thought I had made an error.

Ok, the result of today's discussion is

NO LYNCH

pms coming... my connection is slower than a turtle right now, so be patient