WW Amazing Race - Game Over (Moles Win & Team Reebok Wins)

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by mckerney

I can also see mauboy's play as an attempt to draw the seer out, along with being a last ditch effort to save himself. When he did it he looked like a sure bet to get lynched, and unless I missed something he was vague enough that if the seer did come forward he could try to argue he was claiming a role though he never said it was seer.

Very perceptive

[Lathum]

dola- no sarcasm meant in the above comment, that is solid thinking

[The Jackal]

before you all go and automatically lynch me, try and conceive of the fact that lathum is often a N1 target (hell he bought the BG last game), that we're both vet players and that we won the first leg of the race..

is that so hard to believe lathum, you really think i'm selling you out? awful.

[Lathum]

FWIW Jackal I feel terrible about it, I was really excited to be partnered with you and am genuinely disappointed it came to this.

[The Jackal]

yeah well.. you're throwing away both parts of the game, i'm not a wolf, and for you to believe 100% i'm a wolf because of what happened is ludicrous.. we won the first leg, you're a common N1 target, we're a strong team.. of course mau was the likely NK target which is why the wolves would think he'd be protected, so they went after a good villager instead who would have little chance of being blocked. think about it, man.

[The Jackal]

did mau reveal his scan already? i assume i wasn't scanned. have mau scan me tonight, block him, this is nuts.

[The Jackal]

i'm going to bed, i'm happy to answer anything tomorrow, but you guys should see that this in no way makes me a wolf because of the scenario that played out. i understand why it could arouse lathum's suspicion but it's perfectly explainable. disappointing.

[The Jackal]

it's a damn good thing the flyers won in OT or i'd be SUPER pissed at you right now, lathum.

[bhlloy]

So Lathum... why did you openly share this info with Jackal with no idea if he was a wolf or not?

[bhlloy]

This is a fricking awesome game btw guys. You don't realize until you actually play. So many possible scenarios after just one day...

[ntndeacon]

Until something is shown differently...
Vote Jackal

[Autumn]

So far I'm buying Lathum's story, and not The Jackal's. And that's saying something!

VOTE THE JACKAL

[hoopsguy]

Glad you are having fun, bhlloy.

By the way, we don't normally get handed a wolf on the first day

[Darth Vilus]

yeah Mau, who did you scan and what did they come up as?

[Darth Vilus]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

yeah well.. you're throwing away both parts of the game, i'm not a wolf, and for you to believe 100% i'm a wolf because of what happened is ludicrous.. we won the first leg, you're a common N1 target, we're a strong team.. of course mau was the likely NK target which is why the wolves would think he'd be protected, so they went after a good villager instead who would have little chance of being blocked. think about it, man.

I know you're mad (I would be too) but he's not throwing away both parts, as long as you two aren't eliminated you can still participate in the race part.

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Man, so much for trying to provide interesting detail -- that sucked. We'll make it up tomo, Zinto!

Weird Day 1, I'll look at it more tomorrow.

Hahah I know right we will just have to get it tomorrow. As they say the old turtles always win the race.

Sorry I was not here for the deadline but I am about to read up on what happened and then post some thoughts tonight or tomorrow.

[The Jackal]

there is no story to buy.. this was a random lucky shot for the wolves, though it's not that random considering what i've already laid out. but hey, i wasn't sure i wanted to be in this game anyways. got excited about winning the first leg for nothing! i'll be lynched, lathum will be nightkilled, we're out. i'm not going to be able to convince anyone i'm telling the truth because the wolves lucked out so hard. enjoy the game!

lathum.. this relationship is not going to make it, sorry!

vote jackal

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Darth Vilus

I know you're mad (I would be too) but he's not throwing away both parts, as long as you two aren't eliminated you can still participate in the race part.

I'm going to be lynched and he's going to be nightkilled.. that's eliminated

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

So Lathum... why did you openly share this info with Jackal with no idea if he was a wolf or not?

roughly 75% chance he isn't so why not, it could help me during a lynch vote, especially with me not being able to be on much between 9-10.

Originally Posted by bhlloy

This is a fricking awesome game btw guys. You don't realize until you actually play. So many possible scenarios after just one day...

It really is, glad you are having fun!

[Danny]

Jackal, your scenario is possible, but it's not the more likely of the two scenarios and barring any other info, it's hard to not vote your way.

[Lathum]

I keep trying to find a different scenario, but why on earth would the wolves target me unless they knew I was the body guard and assumed I wouldn't be guarding myself.

[Darth Vilus]

jackal, you have to be eliminated in the race portion! If you're both killed in the werewolf part that doesn't count as eliminated!

either way a jackal lynch helps us way more than anyone else at the moment

[Lathum]

I strongly suggest a seer scan of Saldana

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Darth Vilus

jackal, you have to be eliminated in the race portion! If you're both killed in the werewolf part that doesn't count as eliminated!

either way a jackal lynch helps us way more than anyone else at the moment

i guess you're right, i misread the beginning. still, i don't feel particularly motivated to win the race after my teammate sold me down the river.

[The Jackal]

and i understand that you're going to lynch me. there's nothing i can offer up as proof, my scenario is less likely. only thing i could have going for me is people reading my posts and thinking i'm telling the truth. but i'd probably vote for me too. oh well. going to be a day of a wasted vote with no history to go off of, followed by a likely NK of the bodyguard.

[The Jackal]

besides, my "story" isn't a story, it's a statement of fact. lathum has decided that since he told me he's the BG and he was attacked, chances are heavily in favor of me being part of the wolf team, and the wolves deciding that he'd probably protect the seer that came out. i can't really argue with that, but to think it's so unlikely that he'd be targeted randomly by the wolves N1 is assinine. i don't know where i'm going with this, doesn't sound like anyone is gonna listen.

[The Jackal]

maybe mau scanned me. that'd be sweet. but it seems more likely that he scanned one of the other people on the block.

[hoopsguy]

Jackal, I'm at the very least listening enough to wait and see if Mauboy has scan info to share with us. I don't see any reason to rush into the vote before hearing from him.

[The Jackal]

my argument about the wolves targeting us because we were leading the race was mostly based off me thinking that you get eliminated from the race if both people are lynched and/or NKed, so i guess that's pretty defunct. but still, it's certainly caused a rift, and as lathum noted to me recently, they're laughing their asses off right now!

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Jackal, I'm at the very least listening enough to wait and see if Mauboy has scan info to share with us. I don't see any reason to rush into the vote before hearing from him.

Yeah.. apparently quite a few people felt the need to rush.

[The Jackal]

I'd plead harder for a mau scan tonight to clear me, but I don't have a role or anything, so it's probably not worth it. Might as well scan someone who you have a chance of nailing as a wolf.

[Darth Vilus]

Hey i'll switch if anything better comes up, no problem. i want to hear from Mauboy before he's killed off and his info becomes useless

[The Jackal]

Yeah I guess my only shot at this point is mau finding a wolf with his scan, then choosing to scan me tomorrow night. That'd be some sweet reverse luck right in the wolves' faces.

[The Jackal]

Oh, but of course there's a cunning, so I wouldn't be 100% cleared. Fudge. Hey, I'll do what I can tomorrow to help out.

[The Jackal]

dear lathum,

you better top kobe's apology present if you want to have any chance of winning the race after this

-jackal

[Lathum]

hmmm, could Sal be the cunning fishing for a scan.....

[The Jackal]

hell, there's also still the chance that mau isnt even the seer, isnt there? i haven't reviewed it closely, but wouldn't be a crazy play for a wolf to claim seer on D1 when they were about to be lynched. best case the seer comes out right away to dispute (which the seer should never do on D1, having scanned no one), worst case the wolf lives at least another day or two.

another point in my defense column!

[The Jackal]

though an argument could be made either way on that one, because lathum could still decide to guard him not knowing if he was the seer, and the wolves would still know lathum was the BG if i was one, so nevermind. this is gonna be a tough cucumber to pickle.

[Darth Vilus]

Originally Posted by Lathum

hmmm, could Sal be the cunning fishing for a scan.....

It's possible but why would he give up one of his team members day 1? A team member who wasn't really even in the runing to belynched? Doesn't sound very smart to me

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Darth Vilus

It's possible but why would he give up one of his team members day 1? A team member who wasn't really even in the runing to belynched? Doesn't sound very smart to me

The combo of giving up a wolf and a clear scan could take you a long way. That being said, it would be a very meta-gamey way to get there, and knowing Sal I would be amazed if this was the case.

[Darth Vilus]

Again it's possible but I'm not inclined to believe it. I just think that the wolves have had really bad luck so far. martinD screwed up his PM, they tried to kill lathum and failed, we might have had one on the block with Mauboy1, imagine having a day like that.

I'd say they're fighting an uphill battle at the moment.

[The Jackal]

one last point of contention before i go to sleep. even if lathum had been NKed (presuming he had switched to mau), he'd still be able to talk in the thread, right? it would be a terrible play for me/wolves to go after him N1, knowing we knew exactly who he was and could take him out later in the game, especially if he was telling me who he was guarding. knowledge like that in the pocket is the kind of stuff that wins you games down the road, trying to eliminate N1 would be a silly maneuver.

[The Jackal]

Obviously I'm refusing to go down without at least somewhat of a fight here, so I'll take the silly self-vote away

unvote jackal

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

one last point of contention before i go to sleep. even if lathum had been NKed (presuming he had switched to mau), he'd still be able to talk in the thread, right? it would be a terrible play for me/wolves to go after him N1, knowing we knew exactly who he was and could take him out later in the game, especially if he was telling me who he was guarding. knowledge like that in the pocket is the kind of stuff that wins you games down the road, trying to eliminate N1 would be a silly maneuver.

This actually brings up an interesting point. Usually in WW when you are dead no more talk about the game. How is this approached now?

[Darth Vilus]

First of all he would still be allowed to talk in the thread, just not about the WW part. EF can confirm that i believe.

Second, Lathum wouldn't tell you who he was guarding in case you were a wolf, he wouldn't have a way of knowing you were trustworthy or not without a seer scan. and even then there's the cunning, nobody can really trust their partners for the WW part.

[Darth Vilus]

Originally Posted by Darth Vilus

First of all he would still be allowed to talk in the thread, just not about the WW part.

This is just speculation on my part, i don't know for sure.

[The Jackal]

It's true, I could never be sure if he was telling me the truth, and I wouldn't expect him to tell the truth all the time especially if I was uncleared. But still. However, if dead players are no longer allowed to reference the WW part, another fighting point of mine is defunct, sigh.

[The Jackal]

From the first page -

Players are free to continue to participate in all discussions within the thread until they are eliminated from both portions of the game.

[Darth Vilus]

it makes sense though right? if you die in the WW portion why would you still be able to talk about it? other than being weird it gives an advantage to the village

[The Jackal]

Trying to eliminate Lathum N1 if I was a wolf would have been a boneheaded play, instantly outing myself, as has happened. Just think about it a little. Again, I don't have a role or anything, but lynching me is a waste, especially if its a runaway.