Werewolf CXVIIIb XTreme - WOLVES WIN

[PackerFanatic]

Originally Posted by Danny

Keep in mind when he posted that, he wasn't going to get lynched, he only got lynched once Spleen showed back up after he said he probably wasn't going to be able to.

I could see a wolf doing that, but then you'd think they would have taken out the priest so it still appeared he was a villager.

This is true - Spleen was in the lead when bhlloy made his last post, and Spleen's vote was 2 minutes prior to deadline. Spleen had said he may not be back before deadline, so bhlloy likely thought he was safe and left JAG as the kill. Then he got lynched and Narc wasn't around to change it (since obviously I would have found out bhlloy was indeed a wolf).

I believe your reveal as well, Zinto, and feel even better about voting Narc today.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Danny

Autumn, a little help?

The wolves are the bad guys.

[PackerFanatic]

I think the only other option for the remaining wolf is Danny, and that would be a stretch to me. I think we got this locked down with Narc.

[Zinto]

If there is only one wolf right now(I have my fingers crossed) and Narcizo is not the wolf then Danny is the clear choice for the lynch tomorrow. I am going to assume that I am not going to make it through the night since if I do the village is going to win. So Packer and Spleen remember this post.

[PackerFanatic]

Glad we are on the same page, Zinto :-D

[Zinto]

In this scenario where Bhlloy and Narcizo where wolves I am wondering if Jag was the sorcerer since he was really against any lynch of Bhlloy or Narcizo.

[PackerFanatic]

Very true, Zinto - he steered very clear of bhlloy all day yesterday.

[Danny]

But did the sorcerer know the wolves identities?

[Danny]

it looks like not, but the sorcerer could have scanned chubby and found out he was the seer

[Zinto]

Not sure. I am not sure how much help the sorcerer would be if they didn't but then again I did not read the rules very carefully

[Zinto]

Well this is where I stand for now and I have over thought everything so I am going to step away for a while and try not to think about anything that is going on in this game.

[PackerFanatic]

Duh - sorcerer doesn't know. He just looks for the seer (which, IMO, seems kind of odd to have a non-killing role being able to search for them)

[spleen1015]

Based on the input offered by Zinto, I think Narcizo is the right choice. I don't think I would have revealed though.

If both wolves are still out there, then the games ends with the lynch if the lynch is a villager. If the lynch doesn't end the game, then there is only 1 wolf left.

Going into Night, the wolves knowing who you are Zinto guarantees you're the NK, otherwise they can't win tomorrow because you won't get lynched. I think I would have rather left them guessing with the NK in the hopes that you weren't the target.

As long as we get it right today though, I don't think have anything to worry about.

[Narcizo]

OK I think we have a chance now. There's only a wolf left then, or two wolves and Packer is on the level. I still lean towards Danny being the wolf but honestly I don't know. I just can't bring myself to believe that Packer is a villager.

If I'm a wolf, why on earth would I reveal as the seer and not, you know, the priest and take my luck with Packer today and hope the sorceror is around? Not only that but I clear the most likely contender in a me vs someone show down? Way to give myself wriggle room. And how do I know the seer isn't dead?

I know that if you kill me we're almost certain that we lose. The only way events make sense to me is if Packer is the sorceror. If you guys are looking at me and Packer then that's fair enough but you need to take out Packer first or he and the wolf win the game.

My view of things. Mau is a wolf. Packer votes for him because he doesn't know that. Yesterday it looks like Packer is going down so he fake reveals as the priest, hoping that Chubby or I or someone else who wasn't going to be around was the priest. Bhlloy is lynched but the wolf realises that Packer must have been lying or he would have revealed mau as a wolf.

Why is Packer still alive? Why let the person who could reveal Bhlloy as the wolf live? I can see you're thinking that Narc isn't around so he couldn't get the order in. Every GM I've played with has let any wolf place a new kill order. So not only does Bhlloy meekly go to his death as a wolf, he decides not to kill the person who's going to reveal him as a wolf.

If there's two wolves left then I guess you guys have won, if Packer is a villager. I know if I get lynched I die.

Unvote Danny
Vote Packer

I'm back in a while to answer your questions.

[PackerFanatic]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Why is Packer still alive? Why let the person who could reveal Bhlloy as the wolf live? I can see you're thinking that Narc isn't around so he couldn't get the order in. Every GM I've played with has let any wolf place a new kill order. So not only does Bhlloy meekly go to his death as a wolf, he decides not to kill the person who's going to reveal him as a wolf.

Of course he could have switched the vote - but I don't think he thought he was actually going to die. By the time he realized it (if he was even around in the two minutes prior to deadline that Spleen changed), he was already dead and it was too late.

I still cannot figure out why he wouldn't have switched earlier - but I guess he didn't figure things would swing back to him like they did.

[Danny]

Narcizo, your post is very well thought out and reasoned and it's difficult for me to disagree with you.

My gut is telling me to vote Packer and your post is probably the most reasoned out thought process I've seen. It also likely means Spleen would have to be the last wolf.

[Danny]

Or from your perspective, me or Spleen.

[Danny]

Vote Packerfanatic

I know I said I would stack my vote with Zinto and I probably still will at the end of the day, but I'm now leaning toward Narc telling the truth.

I just still can't fathom why bh would not have put a kill order in for Packer if he was a wolf.

My guess now is the wolves were Spleen and Mau with Packer as the sorcerer.

[Autumn]

packerfanatic - spleen1015 (343), narcizo (414), Danny (418)
narcizo - packerfanatic (362), zinto (398)

[Danny]

Hmm, from my point of view, maybe I should vote Spleen. If I am going along with Narc's thought process either Spleen or I would have to be the wolf

[Zinto]

The only problem with what Narcizo has said is earlier he said he scanned Packer good and I just don't see a scenario where there is a cunning wolf in this game.

[Danny]

Unvote Packer
Vote Spleen

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Zinto

The only problem with what Narcizo has said is earlier he said he scanned Packer good and I just don't see a scenario where there is a cunning wolf in this game.

Packer could be the sorcerer

[Danny]

I guarantee there is no cunning wolf, Autumn is not one to leave that out of the rules.

[Danny]

And if Narc was going to fake reveal, why would he not say he found a wolf? It's not like he could be proved wrong.

[Zinto]

And this is where it gets difficult if we are to believe Narcizo then either Danny or I am the last wolf since he cleared Spleen and Packer. So if you believe Narcizo then your best bet would to be to vote for me Danny.

[Danny]

Oh yeah thats right, well crap

[Danny]

I forgot he cleared Spleen

[Danny]

Unvote Spleen

[Danny]

I'm back to choosing Narc or Packer

[Zinto]

So in this situation Narcizo's vote makes no sense right now. He would have to stay on you or claim that I was lying and vote for me. There is no way that Packer or Spleen are wolves if he is the seer.

[PackerFanatic]

It was never stated that the sorcerer would come up as good, so if Narc actually is telling the truth, then I am good (granted I don't believe him, but I do know that I am good)

[Danny]

From Narc's perspective why would he not continue voting for me or Zinto? Lynching me and then ZInto would guarantee him a win.

[Danny]

Vote Narcizo

[Danny]

Alright, I think if there are two wolves left, we are screwed either way, so let's just say there is one wolf left.

I think we have a good shot if that is the case

[Danny]

I'm not changing my vote because if Narc was telling the truth, that would mean Zinto or I would have to be the last wolf 100%, and I just don't see Zinto being a wolf.

[Danny]

Especially since he revealed Hunter. It's possible Jag was the hunter, but that would be risky for Zinto there with him having no suspicion on him at all and Spleen or I capable of being the hunter.

[Danny]

And you know what, Narc is too good of a player to vote for Packer since he could guarentee the village a win by lynching me and then Zinto if necessary.

[spleen1015]

Post 321 dooms you Narc.

You said in that post that you scanned PackerFanatic and he came back villager. Then you end up voting for him? I think you forgot all of the lies you were spinning and messed up.

UNVOTE PACKERFANATIC
VOTE NARCIZO

[Danny]

btw if Narc is telling the truth, it would have to be 100% Mau was a wolf and would he have voted his fellow wolf like that day 1? In this game? I doubt it.

[spleen1015]

I think this is right after all of Danny's unvoting and voting.

318 - 23:23 - Danny votes Narcizo(1)
324 - 04:26 - Narcizo votes Danny (1)
331 - 08:20 - Danny unvotes Narcizo(0)
337 - 08:37 - Danny votes PackerFanatic(1)
343 - 08:52 - spleen1015 votes PackerFanatic(2)
360 - 09:05 - Danny unvotes PackerFanatic(1)
362 - 09:09 - PackerFanatic votes Narcizo(1)
398 - 12:36 - Zinto votes Narcizo(2)
414 - 13:41 - Narcizo unvotes Danny(0), votes PackerFanatic(2)
418 - 14:12 - Danny votes PackerFanatic(3)
422 - 14:17 - Danny unvotes PackerFanatic(2), votes spleen1015(1)
429 - 14:20 - Danny unvotes spleen1015(0)
434 - 14:22 - Danny votes Narcizo(3)
439 - 14:30 - spleen1015 unvotes PackerFanatic(1), votes Narcizo(4)

1 - PackerFanatic - Narcizo(414)
4 - Narcizo - PackerFanatic(362), Zinto(398), Danny(434), spleen1015(4)

[spleen1015]

A correction

318 - 23:23 - Danny votes Narcizo(1)
324 - 04:26 - Narcizo votes Danny (1)
331 - 08:20 - Danny unvotes Narcizo(0)
337 - 08:37 - Danny votes PackerFanatic(1)
343 - 08:52 - spleen1015 votes PackerFanatic(2)
360 - 09:05 - Danny unvotes PackerFanatic(1)
362 - 09:09 - PackerFanatic votes Narcizo(1)
398 - 12:36 - Zinto votes Narcizo(2)
414 - 13:41 - Narcizo unvotes Danny(0), votes PackerFanatic(2)
418 - 14:12 - Danny votes PackerFanatic(3)
422 - 14:17 - Danny unvotes PackerFanatic(2), votes spleen1015(1)
429 - 14:20 - Danny unvotes spleen1015(0)
434 - 14:22 - Danny votes Narcizo(3)
439 - 14:30 - spleen1015 unvotes PackerFanatic(1), votes Narcizo(4)

1 - PackerFanatic - Narcizo(414)
4 - Narcizo - PackerFanatic(362), Zinto(398), Danny(434), spleen1015(439)

[Danny]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

I think this is right after all of Danny's unvoting and voting.

As long as where my vote ends up is ok .

[PackerFanatic]

Originally Posted by Danny

btw if Narc is telling the truth, it would have to be 100% Mau was a wolf and would he have voted his fellow wolf like that day 1? In this game? I doubt it.

And mau is 100% NOT a wolf. And like Spleen just pointed out - Narc voted for me after having supposedly cleared me. Obviously fishy.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by Zinto

So in this situation Narcizo's vote makes no sense right now. He would have to stay on you or claim that I was lying and vote for me. There is no way that Packer or Spleen are wolves if he is the seer.

I don't know if Danny or you are the wolf - I'm pretty certain that Danny is but I don't know 100% I haven't really registered that you revealed as the hunter and what it meant. Everyone was talking me vs Packer. I know I'm a villager and if you lynch me we are very likely to lose. I'm acting in self-defence.

[Danny]

From my perspective, there are only three possible wolf combinations,

Narc and Bhlloy, Zinto and Mauboy or Narcizo and Packer.

[Zinto]

I am pretty sure this is where my vote is staying and with Narcizo leaving soon there will be little to no discussion going on until the deadline I think it is best if we vote for nightfall.

Vote Nightfall

[Danny]

The first one seems the plausible with the third the most unlikely.

[PackerFanatic]

Was just about to do the same, Zinto.

VOTE NIGHTFALL

[Danny]

I'll take my chances

Vote Nightfall