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Oh my. It's just as easy to point out the Mark Few's and the Jaime Dixon's as it is to point out the Steve Lavin's and the Quinn Snyder's |
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Just the opposite. Coach Anderson refused to pay a dime as he does with all recruits. Two days later, Snaer committed to Florida State. It's not hard to connect the dots. FWIW........That's the give and take with Anderson. He's going to run a clean program, even at the cost of losing prime recruits that other coaches would have landed. You'll see a lot of top 50-150 recruits that he targets, but he'll often look good with a top 25 recruit only to see him lose out at the last minute. Last edited by Mizzou B-ball fan : 04-08-2009 at 09:16 AM. |
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I disagree totally with the Mark Few and Jamie Dixon comparison. Both of those guys learned how to recruit the right way under Monson and Howland. There was no funny business going on under either of those guys. |
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Didn't see it mentioned here, but DeMarcus Cousins has verbally committed to Kentucky.
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Looks like we got our answer on Jarrid Famous. He's going to put off his decision date and visit Arizona on April 17th. Villanova also plans to visit Famous. From the Tampa newspaper..........
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Fixed that for ya. Just like steroids in baseball, I think it is fairly unwise to say that any program under any coach is void of any funny business.
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Howland and Monson both have very clean recruiting records. There's a big difference between those guys and coaches like Coach K and Coach Cal, which is the comparison that was made. I'm assuming you're just not aware of much that goes on behind the scenes. |
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So you're saying that Josh learned the wrong way under Lute? |
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Are you prepared to bet your house that Howland or Monson have not ever committed a recruiting violation? Read my post again. I did not accuse either coach of any sort of violation nor did I say that K or Cal had clean records. What I said based on the archaic rules of the NCAA, it is unwise to say that any program under any coach is completely clean. It has been said before and it will be said again because it is true. If the NCAA decided to land on campus and go over any program with a fine tooth comb, there is a very good chance they will find a violation under current NCAA rules Finally, despite the cleanliness of the records and the behind the scenes "dirt" of K and Cal, they all have one thing in common. None have been specifically CAUGHT doing any funny business by the NCAA.
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As to his recruiting ethics, the guy was coaching AAU teams in Texas during the summer back when he was a grad student at Arizona. He knows a ton of high school coaches and was instrumental in landing a ton of kids for Arizona as an assistant (and later Memphis). In fact, the success he had as an assistant at Arizona was the reason Cal brought him on. So, I don't think you can say Cal influenced his recruiting or even Lute did. He was setting up scouting reports as a teenager and a born salesman. |
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dola, here's a sports illustrated article on him from 2005 when he was a 25-year old assistant. If you think Calipari "showed him the ropes" on recruiting, you're crazy:
At age 25, hoops-obsessed Arizona assistant Josh Pastner - 02.03.03 - SI Vault Quote:
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Snaer didn't even have Missouri in his final two so I'm not sure why you're so hellbent on attacking Hamilton. In the last few weeks, I've seen you make numerous attacks on other programs such as Texas, Memphis, and now Florida State. Are you truly this bitter? I know it's been a rough patch for the Tigers basketball team these last few years, but I would think you'd be happy with the success Mike Anderson had this year. Instead you spend a lot of time trying to downplay the success of other programs. Be happy for your program. Sheesh man.
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Wasn't Quin's biggest recruiting violation that he had illegal contact with players via cell phone? Isn't that the same thing Kelvin Sampson got hit with? I don't buy the young coach argument given that Sampson clearly isn't a young coach and he was reprimanded twice for the same activity.
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Some pretty naive comments here. Much like the tax code, I'm sure there's not a single coach that hasn't violated some rule accidentally. With that said, you obviously don't have a full awareness of how recruiting and reporting it works in the NCAA. Quin Snyder is the perfect example. Quin thought he was a pretty smart guy and tried to rally support with a few other B12 coaches to report some violations by Roy Williams at Kansas. Roy caught wind of it and dumped Quin and his recruiting practices on its head, resulting in the fallout at Mizzou, culminating in Quin's "resignation". It's like a mafia family. You're fine as long as you don't cross the Godfather(s). If you do, you'll pay for it. The Godfather may take a hit, but you could lose your life. That's reality in college athletics. |
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Snaer shopped around for the highest dollar whether you know it or not. His 'handler' approached the Mizzou staff two days before he signed with Florida State to see if their stance/"offer" had changed. Melvin Watkins told him no and that's where it ended. I've said this before and I'll say it again. Count yourself as blessed that you don't know the inner workings of recruiting and just how nasty it can be. It would ruin college basketball for most people. |
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Mike Anderson would not. I can also tell you with great certainty that Norm Stewart and Quin Snyder would win at any cost and 'played the game'. I'm not sure Coach Anderson could if he even wanted to at Missouri. The scrutiny following the Snyder debacle is very intense. They've doubled the compliance officer count. The donor dollars are tracked at a level not previously seen. The only thing that Mike Anderson has done that even resembles 'playing the game' is that he set up via an organizer a AAU tourney last year at Mizzou Arena. It was a failure. The organizers lost several thousand dollars and a couple of teams pulled out when the coaches found out that they wouldn't be receiving 'appearance fees'. Those guys expected money for showing up. |
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Why would he go to Missouri for an "offer" if they weren't even one of his top two schools? That's where you're losing me. That'd be akin to me being hungry for a cheeseburger, but going to Subway to check their prices on a sandwich.
And if this story were true then why didn't Missouri report it? A number of other colleges have reported supposed violations and the NCAA investigated the situation. Doesn't mean they'd be caught, but it certainly bears investigating if this story is true. Could this stuff happen? Certainly. Would you know about it? I doubt it. I was friends with a number of college basketball players so I know what does and doesn't happen. Mike Anderson is a good guy, but he's a college basketball coach and knows the business he got into. He's no better or worse than most college coaches. Quote:
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Mike Anderson could get away with plenty if he wanted to...compliance officers or not. How do you think MU would track "donor dollars" that are under the table? Do you they have hidden chips on the dollar bills given to athletes? When a booster sets up a family with a property or car do you really think they call the compliance office to make sure it's ok?
I guarantee you Mike Anderson "plays the game" or else he would never have gotten into coaching college basketball. Do you think he just sat there learning from Nolan Richardson at Arkansas and didn't pick any of this stuff up? You're Mike Anderson is holier than thou shtick is you being naive. Anderson is one of the good guys, but that doesn't mean he isn't above playing the game. Just look at how he played Georgia and Missouri for more money last month. Don't be naive. Every coach in college athletics knows what they are getting into. Quote:
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I'm not going to get into a battle about who knows what. I stand behind my statement that is exactly how it all went down and that happens many times over in college athletics. Some coaches will play at any cost, while others take the higher road. I couldn't disagree more that some coaches are not better or worse than their peers. That has no basis in reality. Quote:
That's business and has nothing to do with recruiting which is the conversation at hand. Last edited by Mizzou B-ball fan : 04-09-2009 at 09:32 AM. |
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You don't want to get into a battle, but aren't afraid to throw kids like Snaer and coaches like Hamilton under the bus without any factual evidence. Nice! Representing Missouri well.
If Anderson knew about Hamilton and Snaer and did not report it then he's not the man you're suggesting he is. Why wouldn't they take this to the NCAA unless Anderson and company had something to hide. None of your stories make sense. Quote:
Yes it is business, but so is college basketball recruiting. If Anderson has shown himself willing to do what it takes to get a big raise why wouldn't he be willing to do the same to land recruits? Thus far you haven't shown me how Mike Anderson takes care of his business any differently than any other coach in America. Last edited by the_meanstrosity : 04-09-2009 at 09:34 AM. |
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Your building on the assumption that Hamilton has not been reported to the NCAA. I disagree with that assertion. |
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So what do you consider 'breaking the rules'? There are absolute rules and then there are loopholes that all coaches exploit which are not violations. If you're referring to those things, then your absolutely right that Coach Anderson maximizes his opportunities in that regard. If you're talking about paying players or representatives, then my point remains that he has never done that at Mizzou. It is a good point you bring up though. There is a grey area which is permissible but some people consider it iffy which sometimes gets confused with a recruiting violation which is often cut and dry. |
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Nobody has released anything about researching Snaer's status at FSU and he's been committed for almost five months now. You can disagree with my assertion, but again you have no facts to back up any of your stories.
Anderson's players have had their share of off the court troubles during his tenure at Missouri. I'm not saying they were Anderson's fault, but at least one of those guys (Lyons) was suspended twice in a span of two seasons. For a coach who claimed he was going to take a hard stance against off court issues, he sure didn't back it up. Hence why I'm not likely to believe your "holier than thou" arguments regarding Anderson. |
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And how do you know he hasn't done that at Missouri? He landed a pretty good player in Michael Dixon who was woo'ed by some good recruiters at other schools (Capels at OU, Pitino at Louisville, Williams at Marquette). You've got Dewitt who was recruited by your buddy Hamilton at Florida State. Did Anderson offer more money than Hamilton? How exactly is Anderson beating these other schools for recruits if they are handing out money as you're suggesting...and Anderson isn't? I'm sorry, but none of your story makes sense. If this were true then Anderson would never land a quality player like Dixon.
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I don't care how many boosters you know or how good your info is, you have no idea about what has occurred with each individual recruit in his tenure. That goes for every fan who knows boosters at every school. I can't believe that every guy out there who buys a player for his school brags about it to his friends, who continue to spread the word. To say unequivocally that he or the school has never, or will never, break an "absolute rule" is naive. |
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Unfortunately, this is his standard M.O. with just about every subject he gets involved with on this board.
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A coach isn't judged on a hard stance against off the court issues by whether bad things occur or not. He's judged by how those situations are handled. Coach Anderson booted two players last year. He suspended a few others. This year's class has had no off-the-court issues and he's recruiting to avoid those issues moving forward. I'd say he backed it up extremely well. Quote:
Michael Dixon is a lifelong Mizzou fan along with his family. The only thing that would have kept him from going to Mizzou was a Snyder-Hansborough situation where the program went on probation and he didn't want to be a part of that. DeWitt will probably not be attending Mizzou. The clearinghouse will likely reject him and he will be attending a Juco. Quote:
Simply incorrect. I never stated any mention of Texas as a dirty recruiter. I also did not say that 'every school but Missouri is dirty'. Furthermore, I've said that the previous two Missouri coaches were very dirty. I've only cited three instances thus far in this thread and they were coaches, not programs. Coach K, Coach Cal, and Hamilton are all dirty recruiters. At least represent what I've stated fairly. |
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Actually, Leo Lyons was suspended this season for an arrest on traffic charges and failing to pay fines from 2006. Now this isn't a big issue, but combine this with being suspended for the fight outside of a club last year then you can understand why I don't take Anderson's "hard line" stance so seriously. Two suspensions in two years with the second one being one home game against a struggling Colorado team at home. On the other hand he kicked a 10 mpg Butterfield off the team for two suspensions yet kept his leading scorer Leo Lyons on the team for his two suspensions. Again, I don't buy that Mike Anderson is any different from any other college coach.
And you can't count Hannah as being "kicked" off the team as he was likely never going to be healthy enough to play before his senior season ended and at least wouldn't be back before the end of February. I liked how Horton, who was uninjured in the fight, stayed on the team, but an injured Hannah was kicked off the team. Again, not buying that Anderson is some moral compass for head coaches. He's like every other head coach in college basketball. I've given you two examples of Anderson's "hard line" stance being softened for certain players which is what most coaches in the country do. Anderson is a good guy, but he's no different than any other coach. I can't speak on Dixon though I know he wanted to play close to home. Even if he were a Tiger fan, he was still looking at a number of other programs. If he were such a lock as you're suggesting then he would have committed long before he did. I never suggested you claimed Texas was dirty. I simply said you had recently made negative comments about their program. You were also very negative on Memphis earlier in this thread. You have a history of taking shots at other universities. Claiming "previous coaches" were dirty is easy to do after the fact. If I remember correctly, you were pretty high on Quin during his tenure at Missouri. And as for your "sources", you're the same guy I remembering claiming Mike Alden was gone from Missouri a few years ago. You pretty much killed all your credibility with that one "story". Quote:
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Amen Arles. Every college coach who recruits knows that may have to do some things they'd normally never do. It's the business of college athletics and as we all know it can get ugly.
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Mike Anderson and Leonard Hamilton are having hardcore gay anal sex right now in my living room. I don't need mysterious sources to tell me that. I have my own eyes, a director of photography, a gaffer, and CBS News here. Beat that, hotshots.
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Shopped for the highest dollar amount? Why would a top player from Socal pick a school in Missouri with no basketball history? Because he had a swell relationship with Anderson? I also like how you claim to know how his recruitment went. Sure, some random poster who probably gets his "premium" information from insidemizzou.com freely and without filter, yet the NCAA and everyone else just pretends like nothing is going on? If the recruitment of a kid from Socal is crystal clear to someone from Missouri, it should be one hell of a juicy story for any news company to break. Hell, even Scout.com would love to break a story like that. I'll agree with you that Snaer's recruitment is dirty, but I'm not sold it's as dirty as some of these kids are (Cousins, Sidney, Stephenson), but unless you're intentionally being obtuse, even you don't buy your own crap. Last edited by MrBug708 : 04-10-2009 at 02:15 AM. |
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If he were the son of Anderson then he'd be driving while intoxicated on his way to play for his dad, lol.
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I'm pretty convinced MBBF would have delivered the same line for Snyder back in the day that he's delivering about Anderson now.
That's not to incriminate Anderson, but MBBF seems pretty willing to recite the current company line once he's declared his loyalties.
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Oh I'm sure he would. Most of those guys on the Tigerboard loved Quin during his tenure at Missouri. Heck, he even defended Quin's violations by suggesting Quin did nothing different than what Coach K did at Duke and suggested Quin was only caught because he was a young head coach. His point was then trounced on when veteran coach Kelvin Sampson was penalized for doing the same thing. MizzBB is your classic college basketball fan. He loves his team and sees them in the best light possible. It's not a crime, but he expects us all to see Missouri athletics in the same light and that's just not going to happen.
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Leo forgot to pay a parking ticket for $30. Most thought a suspension for that was even a bit much, but feel free to build it up if you'd like. Alden was 2 hours from being fired on the day he hired Anderson. That's been reported many times over. It's not a secret in any way. |
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We have little to discuss here. The level of infractions between those two situations aren't in any way comparable. Sampson's infractions were much more blatent, though this should not be taken as a defense of what Snyder did in any way. |
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He's killed his credibility numerous times, in many creative ways. It almost needs to be its own thread, a running tab of how many times he has been wrong when so sure he was right.
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