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Hmmm.. The last few games Saldana has played in (since he had his child), he's been kind of quiet I guess from what I have seen at least. I don't know if I have read anything more into that than normal. I think last game he was actually a bit more vocal than this game and he was a wolf. As for his play yesterday, with everything up in the air, I don't really know that we learned much since the majority of people either didn't vote or voted Cronin. Only people who didn't vote cronin and voted someone else was Cronin and path, and I already spoke about that. Lathum I feel a bit funny about, maybe it is just the way he is presenting himself. Like I said earlier I don't want to flat out come out and say who I trust the most or distrust the most because I have to decide where to pass my necklace (even though you seem to be doing a good job of trying to get that info out of me which is a bit worrisome to me). If I had to say though, right now Lathum is one of the ones I am getting the weirdest vibe from. I remember yesterday he seemed to have mirrored my vote alot, and I always get suspicious of people who are going along with me too much (or buddying up without buddying up to me so to speak). If I remember right, he did that with his voting. I woudln't say Lathum is my top suspect, but I don't think I have horrible problems placing a vote on him to get him talking today. |
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A couple quick observations:
There are at least two wolves left, as we had two kills last night. At least one wolfsbane leaf (probably more), which as akin to a bodyguard, is out there. Also, if the are wolf scanner's out there, we need to start letting folks know who they were used on and what the results are. The wolf scanner is equivalent to being seer for the night, without having the worry of revealing your results, as it passes to someone else afterwards. |
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I will go ahead and place this vote out here since she has to leave, and I want to do it where she can respond to it and not after she goes.. I haven't really heard enough from other people yet, so this could change, but wanted to confront her with this vote before she goes..
Vote Lonestargirl My reasoning: Came out firing at ntndeacon, whom if Ardent is good, really moves up in my eyes, if Ardent is bad, then is still neutral in my eyes. However in LSG's point of view, she has stated she feels ardent is good (which I don't necessarily agree with), however if she feels that way, she should feel better about ntn than voting him first thing. Also LSG claimed to have a wolf scanner (which Path and Cronin also claimed to have had the same first day), but didnt use it or provide us any info from it. Finally I made it clear I didn't want to really come out and say who my candidates to receive my protection necklace would be, but in response she's been trying to go down the line asking me about all kinds of people in a way that feels a bit troublesome to me, as in trying to fish who might be protected tonight or who to prevent from getting it. |
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Also, I'm curious to know if anyone has effectively used a wolfsbane leaf. It would be good information to put out, as it would let us know if the wolves have attempted both double-knight kills already.
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I am assuming that I would have received notification if attacked, so I don't think I was a target of attack on night 1 or I would have been told I fought it off from my necklace. Right now this is what I have: 1. Alan T - Has Wolfbane necklace, no report of wolf attacks to have fought off. Received new item 3. Lathum 5. path 6. Lonestargirl - Had wolf scanner night 1, didnt use it and lost it. Received Wolfbane necklace then lost it this morning 8. Render 9. saldana 12. ardent enthusiast - Received new item, no item usage or anything else to tell us. 13. Swaggs - Had wolfsbane leaf and psychic link night 1. Tried to contact hoops + someone else last night) 14. ntndeacon 15. Golden Eagle |
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FWIW, I was told after using the ident switch on the first day that I couldn't use an item on the 2nd.
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Swaggs, are you saying you were able to contact two people with the psychic link or that you contacted hoops and gave away the leaf to someone else?
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For me you can say: Used wolf scanner night 1 on Ardent, came up wolf. Started with another unused (as yet) item and received another item last night.
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I do think I have the kinks worked out though and should have fewer mistakes moving forward.
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06-28-2007, 10:19 AM | #413 | |
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06-28-2007, 10:22 AM | #414 |
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Hmm LSG disappeared without responding to my charges against her. I hope she comes back before she leaves. Her actions this morning are pretty troubling to me so I wanted some responses for them.
I also would love if anyone could either vouch for or condemn Ardent today. That would help tie up alot for us in regards to how i feel about ntn and swaggs. Render I don't know if it fully ties up my concern about as he had some odd day 1 actions too in addition to yesterday. |
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06-28-2007, 10:31 AM | #416 |
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I had a wolfsbane leaf the first night and gave it to a still living player last night, I recieved and item that I have not used as yet.
I did respond fairly quickly after the lynching last night, however its not to be devious but simply thats when I was able tog et online and check things after my tennis amtch last evening. I find LSG's constant questioning to be very suspicious and I am also pondering the whole Ardent/path situatoin. For the time being I'm going to follow my instincts and : VOTE LONESTARGIRL |
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I hope folks don't take me not voting against me. I can understand it as being used to duck a revenge vote early on (when everyone is looking for the slightest reason to vote for someone), but yesterday, we clearly had 2-3 folks to vote for. I was going to vote for cronin early on and then, after Path's reveal that ardent was a wolf, was looking at ardent, but wanted to hear from ardent before making a vote. But, I never got a chance because I got home late.
If I were a wolf, I could have just as easily voted for cronin or (if I was a wolf, especially) voted for AE and then blamed it on path if he came up clean upon the lynch. |
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I'm hoping Ardent was scanned last night also. I got no message that I was.
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Well today has been rather quiet so far, and with complete lack of information to go on. If I count correctly, the vote count is:
Lonestargirl 2 Saldana 2 And several people haven't checked in yet. |
06-28-2007, 12:31 PM | #420 |
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Well, I'm going to be away from the computer for awhile, so I am going to get a vote in early today. I should be back in time to make a change if someone makes a compelling argument while I am gone.
As of now, I am going to go with Alan on LSG. She did appear to be fishing for name from Alan pretty hard this morning. Could be nothing, but there is little to go on right now. Vote LSG |
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I'm not sure how I feel about the LSG thing. It didn't seem out of character for her, and it seems a reach to all of a sudden have a rush on someone who really hasn't been much of a focus to date..
I'll have to go back through the last couple days, but I'm slammed on a project right now so it will have to wait until later.
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I am not really suprised that there has been a run on her suddenly due to her disappearing suddenly once I confronted her this morning while she had just been here asking me questions, combined with the complete lack of any other kind of information whatsoever.
Coming into today my thought was to find out information one way or another about Ardent and take it from there even if it meant lynching him. The one thing that is a bit discomforting for me is the two people who hopped on my vote today are once again Swaggs and Render, this time they didn't do it at the same time though. I wonder if there is any real big reason for that though. So far we havent heard from saldana, ntn, lathum, and Goldeneagle (who has been around, but hasn't posted anything yet) so I am hoping one of them has some information for us. |
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the thing Iam confused about is how many different Wolf scanners and psychic links and wolfsbane leaves we have runningh out there
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06-28-2007, 01:19 PM | #424 |
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Oh I recieved an item as well last night after having my leaf sent randomly to someone.
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In her defence LSG did unvote me after your defence of me Alan. So I imagine Iam willing to give her a touch of lea way.
Just so y'all know how I stand with folks from more trusted to least trusted: trust a good deal: path AE trust somewhat: Alan Render dont trust or mistrust: GE LSG Lathum distrust a little: saldana Swaggs |
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ntn and lsg, not sure what exactly it is i am doing to earn your mistrust...perrhaps it that we havent played alot together, but my standard procedure is to keep my mouth shut and watch for the first couple days, hope to live long enough to notice something, and then rip off a list of wolves...it has been a very successful strategy for me in the past....which is why i rarely live very long in these games (i dont think either of you were playing during my streak of day/night 1 exits)
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So far this is what I have for actions:
1. Alan T - Has Wolfbane necklace, no report of wolf attacks to have fought off. Received new item 3. Lathum 5. path - used wolf scanner night 1 on ardent. Started with another yet unused item night 1. Received new item last night 6. Lonestargirl - Had wolf scanner night 1, didnt use it and lost it. Received Wolfbane necklace then lost it this morning 8. Render - wolfbane leaf first night, gave it to someone else last night. Received new item last night. 9. saldana - Received leaf last night 12. ardent enthusiast - Received new item, no item usage or anything else to tell us. 13. Swaggs - Had wolfsbane leaf and psychic link night 1. Tried to contact hoops + someone else last night) 14. ntndeacon - Sent leaf to someone else and received a new item last night. 15. Golden Eagle So far there is no sign of LSG's wolf scanner from night 1. If LSG told the truth, then someone else out there got it randomly night 1 to be able to use it last night. .. so either: 1) GE or Lathum got it and havent checked in yet with the information 2) Someone who already checked in got it but didn't say so for some unknown reason 3) LSG is lying about having it at all. I don't know if this was answered before, but I remember someone asking it.. Can wolves use an item in addition to performing the night kill? |
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dola- I just got home and am checking in. I was already gone when the results were posted.
I have a suspect that I will be posting soon. For now I am keeping my item to myself also. |
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Ok, so I decided to go back through all of the posts LSG has made to try to see if I am overreacting to today's actions from her and perhaps convincing myself to go in a wrong direction. I'm trying to stay open minded, but going back through everything, I see too many inconsistancies in her story.. I just don't know if I feel strong enough about anyone else at this point.
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Just noting she was one of the people who jumped on DT on day 1. Quote:
This quote is interesting considering Chief died that night, and she makes sure about her starter items to find out what she should do to which barkeep answers her. (ie: if she needs to use the wolf scanner or not that she supposedly had at this point) Quote:
Ok here, she states that she did not use any items night 1 but she probably will night 2... Even though today she states she didnt have the item any more and it was taken away night 1 for not being used? Quote:
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Same as the last one, backs Ardent even though this post by itself isnt really anything that seems way out there to me. Quote:
This one smells weird to me, and I remember responding to it even. After everything yesterday, I think I as well as others made the case why Path seemingly is the most trusted where Ardent is still a big question mark. Yet she tries to point everyone away from Ardent and scan Path, whom I really don't see a way where both Path and Cronin were wolves after yesterday and the obvious scan would be ardent. Quote:
So here is a different story about night 1 where she now says she had a third wolf scanner on night 1 (in addition to Path and Cronin's claim, even though I don't know if we have a way to prove that Cronin did even have one at this point) So if she had lost it after night 1, she wouldn't have said on day 2 that she still had it. Quote:
Here coming out at ntn, whom I already explained why I felt this was off. If you trust Ardent like she does, then ntn would be the person who you would put support behind not try to lynch. Quote:
Here is where she starts digging for info about people for an unknown reason after I stated that I didn't want to be too open on who I trust the most today in order to try to be mysterious about where my necklace goes to keep the wolves guessing. Quote:
Here once again trying to frame Path in a bad light which to me just doesn't seem likely at all and quite a reach. Quote:
Her changing her vote after I explained why I didnt understand it from her point of view at all. Asking me for my thoughts of more people. Quote:
And finally once again joining in with Ardent on a pick with whatever unknown Trust I do not know. |
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OK, I am suspiscous of Render right now.
Missing the vote to me wasn't that big a deal , we all have lives. There are a couple of things that stand out to me. 1. He played very differently last game. He was joking around alot last game and this game has been alot quieter and buisness like. 2. Was the second vote day 1 on DT, like that theory or not he was. Swaggs then pointed out he over the top tried to defend himself. 3. He jumped on LSG right after AlanT did. This vote also tied it up and took pressure off Saldana which could give us a link. If Render is a wolf it is concievable Saldana is also. VOTE RENDER I'll be out until close to the deadline but if new info comes out I'll change my vote if needed. |
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dola- He also voted for her AFTER Alan pointed out she may be gone for the day...
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I find it somewhat hilarious from my end that I'm not trusted. I can somewhat understand it, I mean, Path did point at me and say I was bad. Couldn't I have simply pointed at someone else, say any villager (assuming I'm a wolf, I'd know which are which)say I ident switched with that villager, and bought both cronin and myself a day?
I understand where you might question me still, but it's kind of frustrating...it's like I feel that some of our biggest thinkers are either in on the wolf thing or not thinking it all the way through.
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That's a good point about Render as well, Lathum.
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I didn't follow the last game very closely, but didn't he get a lot of pressure last game? That would certainly explain being quieter now.
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Alan, I just want to tell you that if you are giving your necklace away today that I don't need it. I'm not sure I come to the same conclusion as you do here, but I can see why you did. Without remembering the order of votes, I think her Cronin vote is a point in her favor, unless it was after there was no doubt.
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I think she helped put him away.
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I dont think her vote on cronin tells us anything
remember AE shared his Identity switching thing around post 184-189 So I would not give her too much credit for that. |
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i noticed his change in behavior too...and he was acting bizzare in that game way before he took any heat at all...he was barely posting, much like this game, but when he did, there was an air of relaxation to it...he turned up as a villager...i did think maybe the change was because the goofiness got him lynched, but i also thought his defense was a bit strong. still not sure where i want to go yet, but i am leaning towards render...i guess most of it will depend on whether i need to go with a self preservation vote. |
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I tend to agree with Alan's reasoning more than Lathum's here, so....
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Actually, it was posts 284-289. Her vote made it a 2 vote margin. There was much more piling on after that, so while I don't think that clears her by any stretch, it's not like she just jumped on at the end. Just for the record, before Ardent checked in the vote was: Ardent 3, path 1, cronin 2. The votes after Ardent revealed the ID switch went like this: Ardent votes Cronin. AE 3, P 1, C 3 Saldana votes Cronin. AE 3, P 1, C 4 LSG votes Cronin. AE 3, P 1, C 5 Pass votes Cronin AE 3, P 1, C 6 Cronin switches Ardent AE 4, P 0, C 6 Alan switches Cronin AE 3, C 7 Lathum switches Cronin AE 2, C 8 GE votes Cronin AE 2, C 9 So it was still very much undecided when she voted. I find those last three votes more interesting than LSG's. Note, I'm not trying to sway anyone or claim that she is good. What I am saying is that I'm looking elsewhere.
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FWIW, my list would stand like this right this minute, from sorta trust to sorta don't trust.
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I goofed on the post numbers. thanks for the assist there. I did not mean to imply she was piling onto a breakaway vote. I do believe that she saw the writing on the wall. And got in early to not appear suspicious. Assuming you believe AE...and he made a convincing case...then there was going to be a change over to croning by a lot of folks. now obviously there is more than one wolf so I have no problem with other people being looked over strongly. |
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As a couple of you have noted I have inded been more reserved this game. Everyone jumped on me for being a goofball in the willy-wonka game, I mean Cmon it was WILLY WONKA =)
But anyway, I find it hard to post anything in defense of one's self in these games that doesn't appear in some way over the top, and thereby, suspicious, the game is all about reading between the lines and all that. So vote your guts and vote your logic, however you feel you should. Its a good thing I'm wearing my +5 Elven Plate mail bikini |
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No pixplzkthx.
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Kind of a letdown day with no solid information released today.
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Everyone has checked in, right? And nobody had a scanner to use last night as LSG suggested someone should?
I think anyone using a scanner/crystal ball should reveal the result. Any info helps us here. I'm concerned we're heading into a villager/villager thing today.
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