Maximum Football???

[MJ4H]

You know I just HAVE to bust out this picture now:

[Tasan]

Originally Posted by sabotai

Wow, he sounds really excited about the game. Who wrote this article...

Joseph Lieberman
Public Relations and Marketing Manager

Guess what he gets paid to do.

Doesn't he have better things to do, like write and vote on Senate legislation or something?

Okay, sorry for the political reference there, continue the brilliant thread!

[IwasHere]

Alright boys who had 3 yrs 2 months and 7 days in the office pool?

[Apathetic Lurker]

Originally Posted by JeeberD

Lurking, apathetically, mind you... just didn't have the oompf to sign up previously. To apathetic I guess. Just because I re-upped in 2004(as AP) didn't mean I wasn't hanging out here for loooooong time before .

My HD crashed , then I moved to a different provider when mine went out of business so I let my phatguy account just go by the wayside(2001?)
been lurking since Jims first game went on the market. I remember someone telling me about it and I got it, then that same week found the old boards.I think it was about 2 months after Jim first released FOF1.

hoped that cleared up the "confused" thingie

[Apathetic Lurker]

Originally Posted by sovereignstar

Yes, it's written poorly, but it makes no sense that way.

Thank you , my english lit perfessors will be thrilled wit the way I have progressed since those youthful days of college when I could actually write coherently

sure, pick on the fat, handicapped foreign kid...


making me defend my writing prowess(or lack thereof) will indubitably force an increase in my post count past 200 this year.or before maxfb comes out.
odds are 50-50

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by Apatheric Lurker

First of all, from what I read over at the Matrix forum and the faq i am understanding this thing is gonna be a "football" simulator NOT an "NFL" simulator. If Dave said it was nfl or cfl based then yes all the concerns brought up about salary cap ,draft,finances etc are very valid.But he didn't. I persoally think that finances are very important but it's his call. It's his damn game afterall. Maybe someone will get a plugin financial simulator out there.

The reason this game is getting bashed so hard is because its last release date was a year or so ago (I forget the exact timeline, but I'm sure someone will correct me), and it was all "finished" and ready to go, but it was held up because Matrix wanted a career mode. Now that everybody is finding out how little substance there is to "career mode", they're trying to figure out what the holdup was.

Seriously, I've added on this form of "career mode" to someone else's sim in about 2 or 3 months programming on the side during college (attending full time) back when I had very little programming experience. So if the game was "finished" over a year ago, what exactly has been going on for the last year? And if he's really spent a year adding so little, how good could the rest of the game really be?

That's why everyone is having so much fun with the listed feature set for "career mode".

[Apathetic Lurker]

Originally Posted by gstelmack

The reason this game is getting bashed so hard is because its last release date was a year or so ago (I forget the exact timeline, but I'm sure someone will correct me), and it was all "finished" and ready to go, but it was held up because Matrix wanted a career mode. Now that everybody is finding out how little substance there is to "career mode", they're trying to figure out what the holdup was.

Seriously, I've added on this form of "career mode" to someone else's sim in about 2 or 3 months programming on the side during college (attending full time) back when I had very little programming experience. So if the game was "finished" over a year ago, what exactly has been going on for the last year? And if he's really spent a year adding so little, how good could the rest of the game really be?

That's why everyone is having so much fun with the listed feature set for "career mode".

I gotta agree that 1 whole year for what is called "career mode" by dave is way over the top. I have little programming experience my self but if forced to do it might be able to knock off something in 3-5 months.My problem is that certain individuals here think that any football game MUST have all the features of the NFL even in a game that is a generalized version of fooball. Dave screwed up somewhere along the line and now him and Matrix are running around blowing smoke up everyones asses, but,as it plainly states over there , Maxfb is not an "NFL" game. If it was I would be the first to slam dave and co for the missing stuff I want and need in a specialized game like fof or tpf. But I am willing to see what the finished product(whenever it comes out)can or cannot do before slamming it mercilessly.

[KWhit]

Another outstanding post by the MF developer over at the forums, in response to someone who said "Yeah, some people want this game to fail. That's too bad, because there is room for more games."

Originally Posted by David Winter - Developer of MaxFootball

I have definately come to except this as true.

I'm sure many of these people are just angry because they predicted this game would never be released and now we're only a day or two away from that happening. And I think the fact this game is being released before the game they have hitched their wagons to is ticking them off as well.

I certianly see the same 4 or 5 people that have glommed on to other games (because some how they feel they have become friends with the developer) get all upset in various forums (and here) because I'm doing something their developer of choice can't do. Probably the only reason people come here and say "This persons game can do such and such and yours doesn't.."

This game isn't going to please everyone.. I certainly understand that. But it has become very obvious to me that many people that whine and complain (and no, I'm not implying anything about you Maruaders ) simply do so to make the game they have developed some strange emotional attachment to seem better.

It's in this thread:
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1059743

[MizzouRah]

I don't want anyone to fail, especially someone who has the desire to program anything, but I do wonder how much fun the forums will be when the game is released.

I can't find much at all about a game that is about to be released, a few screenshots and a features list? Maybe some posts??

Should definitly be a fun release. Who knows, maybe the game will surprise some of us?

[Tigercat]

As another human being, I hope he succeeds. But he is a cocky guy(and not even funny) with a limited dream and no understanding of the details required to bring the best realization of that dream to life. Its kinda sad really, but people on this thread just enjoy watching because he moons people out the window of his car while its stuck on cinder blocks in his front yard.

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by KWhit

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1059743

This guy sure does have a winning personality, doesn't he?

[Ben E Lou]

I think druez is right about him having a burr up his butt about canadian Football. Who in the WORLD would list that *before* our version in a feature list, as if that's going to draw more people???

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

I think druez is right.

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

I think druez is right about him having a burr up his butt about canadian Football. Who is the WORLD would list that *before* our version in a feature list, as if that's going to draw more people.

You had me up until the 'druez is right' part.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Yeah, who would put Canadian football ahead of Arena Football?

[JeeberD]

Originally Posted by KWhit

No kidding! Where the hell is the QOTM when we need it?!?!?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Who knows, maybe the game will surprise some of us?

By being released you mean?

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

By being released you mean?

touche Jon, touche

[Eaglesfan27]

Interesting that he says in a post in that thread that he came very close to cancelling the whole project "several times" in the past few weeks.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by David Winter - Developer of MaxFootball
I have definately come to except this as true.

I'm sure many of these people are just angry because they predicted this game would never be released and now we're only a day or two away from that happening. And I think the fact this game is being released before the game they have hitched their wagons to is ticking them off as well.

I certianly see the same 4 or 5 people that have glommed on to other games (because some how they feel they have become friends with the developer) get all upset in various forums (and here) because I'm doing something their developer of choice can't do. Blah, blah, blah ...
This game isn't going to please everyone.. I certainly understand that. But it has become very obvious to me that many people that whine and complain (and no, I'm not implying anything about you Maruaders ) ... blah blah blah

Clearly, "spelling" is not what he's referring to.

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

Yeah, who would put Canadian football ahead of Arena Football?

Hello???? Doug Flutie. 87 million passing meters. C'mon.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Originally Posted by Dutch

Hello???? Doug Flutie. 87 million passing meters. C'mon.

[digamma]

It's really sort of astounding how much this guy doesn't get it.

That said, I'm almost embarrassed to admit I have a perverse interest in seeing what this game is like.

[astrosfan64]

I must buy this game. It is going to be worth the 29.99 or whatever to give me unlimited ammo to rip the game a new one. Once, I'm a paying customer I've earned the right to complain and complain and complain.

People pay money to watch Nascar crashes, isn't this the same type of thing?

[Eaglesfan27]

Good luck getting any patches. After all, he was "within an inch" of cancelling the project several times over the last few weeks.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

I think druez is right

Oh no! The Seventh Sign! It is all over! The end has come!

[Toddzilla]

Originally Posted by Apatheric Lurker

hoped that cleared up the "confused" thingie

No, I'm still confused as to what the fuck "apatheric" means.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Oh no! The Seventh Sign! It is all over! The end has come!

Time to really put a monkey in most of your wrenches...

Jason K. (druez) and I have been in constant communication (I mean almost daily) for at least three months or so with no real serious disagreements about anything important.

[Toddzilla]

I may be new to this debate, but what kind of scumbag developer rips people who criticize his game based on the information he's made available by saying "You are not qualified to pass judgement on my game yet - wait until it comes out, pay me money, and then you can complain."??? WTF? Someone should bite him on the face.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Toddzilla

Someone should bite him on the face.

[Bee]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

Time to really put a monkey in most of your wrenches...

Jason K. (druez) and I have been in constant communication (I mean almost daily) for at least three months or so with no real serious disagreements about anything important.

I'm impressed....putting a monkey in a wrench has to be much more difficult than putting a wrench in a monkey (although neither sounds pleasant).

[Noble_Platypus]

It appears we are infamous

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm...3&mpage=2&key=

[quote]You obviously have a disdain for other football games and for the people who enjoy them.

This is complete nonsense or better simply a lie. When you look at some other forums like the infamous FOF boards you will see bashing about the game and even the developer is part of the campaigning against MF.

BTW KWhit is a hardcore FOF-fan. He has 4.367 posts on the FOF boards

[QuikSand]

Thank you all for reinstating this as one of my favorite threads ever.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by David Winter (referring to KWhit)

Perhaps you've been lurking, but based on the 4 posts reported by your name I will guess you have not been around for the duration of development.

Was the internet even around for the entire duration of development?

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Was the internet even around for the entire duration of development?

I guess he could use that argument on just about everybody.

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

Time to really put a monkey in most of your wrenches...

Jason K. (druez) and I have been in constant communication (I mean almost daily) for at least three months or so with no real serious disagreements about anything important.

About what?

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

About what?

The text sim we're co-developing.

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

The text sim we're co-developing.

LOL.

[MizzouRah]

I am disappointed in you SD.

I'm also disappointed Charmin with aloe was sold out last night, so take that FWIW.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

LOL.

What's so funny?

[Toddzilla]

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

I'm also disappointed Charmin with aloe was sold out last night, so take that FWIW.

ZOMG! I had the EXACT same thing happen to me last night too - no lie. I had to drive 20 minutes to the Giant across town to get my Charmin Plus. I love that stuff. It's funny how the topic of a chapped asshole came up in the Maximum Football thread. Coincidence? I think NOT.

[kentontrace]

This is the first I've heard about this game - went to the sites to check it out - but I dont think it will live up to the hype - so I'll just stick with my FOF and UF sims

[Surtt]

This guy is a tool.

Clearly when the game comes out and flops,
he is going to blame everyone else for torpedoing his superior game.

[Bee]

Originally Posted by Surtt

This guy is a tool.

Clearly when the game comes out and flops,
he is going to blame everyone else for torpedoing his superior game.

Or just not admit it flopped.

[Arctus]

From the matrix game boards, in response to the following:

I think as long as the game doesn't have any major bugs that halts league play like Total Pro Football did and the Ratings work then people can come up with good rosters.

There is nothing that any of us is aware of. The import/export system works as far as I know. And heck even if that is not to your liking all you have to do is send the leaguedata file around.

Scary.

[Bee]

Looking at the board over there, I found it a little comical about the discussion about the lack of trading in the game. Basically, the case was made that it's not important since there is very little trading in the NFL. Ummm....wasn't the case made previously that this wasn't designed to be an NFL sim and that's why so many other things were left out?

[ice4277]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

Thank you all for reinstating this as one of my favorite threads ever.

Between this and the LSG/GE thread, we may be entering a new Golden Era at FOFC.

[Solecismic]

[quote=Noble_Platypus]It appears we are infamous

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm...3&mpage=2&key=

You obviously have a disdain for other football games and for the people who enjoy them.

This is complete nonsense or better simply a lie. When you look at some other forums like the infamous FOF boards you will see bashing about the game and even the developer is part of the campaigning against MF.

BTW KWhit is a hardcore FOF-fan. He has 4.367 posts on the FOF boards

(replying essentially to the person from the MF forum who posted that out of context there)

No. I'm not campaigning against MF. I've mentioned that I have a lot of respect for someone building a graphics engine on his own. I've shown him a lot more respect than he's shown for any of the text-sim developers.

All indie developers expand on the genre in their own ways. I poked a little fun in response to his comments that he exceeded FOF back in 1990, which is ludicrous - FOF would greatly exceed the memory capacity of any PC built at that time.

I studied graphics design in school. I often draw on my own, some of it makes it into my games. I am not a good drawer or modeller. The MF screen shots show things I'm never going to be able to do on my own. I know what it takes to do what he's doing and I certainly respect that.

I hope people support his game. He has his genre, and it's very different from the one I'm looking to fill. He also has no idea what it's like to really take some heat from customers. Changing his phone number because someone called him and asked about the release date? Posting that he considered cancelling the product several times in recent weeks? That makes me worry.

But I'm rooting for him. We need more indie developers, especially now when the popularity of consoles has just about eliminated any chance we have of putting our games on store shelves.

[SirFozzie]

We're rooting for him, we hope he succeeds. But with his ongoing circus and veiled potshots at other sims/other gamers in the sim (free hint, the sports-sim market is small enough already, no need to reduce it further by insulting a good portion of the market).. there's a growing hope that he flames out spectacularly, to become a cautionary tale told to developers who, in Texas terms.. are all hat and no cattle.

[KWhit]

Hell, I'd love for MF to be the best game I've ever played. If it turned out to be a GM/coach simulation with a solid game engine and a graphical display of the game, I'd be ecstatic.

But the numerous posts that David has made belittling other games and the potshots he's taken at the games' developers is childish. It seems that he has a persecution complex.