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Thanks, SD! I had no clue. I saw the ability to do some sort of .txt outputs related to your team, but I didn't know these other outputs were automatically generated.
It's not a total solution, but this goes a long way toward making the game playable, at least.
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With that raw data in text file format, it would seem that a utility writer could do something nice with it if Clay doesn't do a full-fledged Almanac.
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Is there a way to alleviate the amount of smugness that seems to yield from some of those doing the previewing in the game.
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That would suck. I want the league to work "normally" while I fast-sim the league's history. Then, I'll take over a team and play out a career. I'm fairly certain that trades occur during this, though, because while I'm fast-simming, my team page comes up at the end of the season every year, and some of the news stories are about trades being made. However, if there is no real free agency and stuff like that during fast-simming, that would be disappointing.
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Well, perhaps. As far as competitive balance goes, it doesn't appear that we're any worse off now than many other periods in baseball history. In the Bill James Historical Baseball Abstract the author uses a competitive balance metric (which is unfortunately not published in the book) and calculates competitive balance through the decades. Here's how they fall (the higher the number, the more competitively balanced): 1870's: 21% 1880's: 24% 1890's: 27% 1900's: 30% 1910's: 36% 1920's: 34% 1930's: 31% 1940's: 34% 1950's: 34% 1960's: 40% 1970's: 45% 1980's: 56% 1990's: 57% Now, this measure seems to be based primarily on the regular season win-loss gaps between teams, so it doesn't necessarily reflect the realistic chances of winning a World Series for all teams - for example, in much of the 60's the Yankees and Dodgers dominated the playoffs. Still, as we've seen over the last 20 years, there has been quite a distribution of World Series champions. Even since the resurgence of the Yankees in '95, they've not won the World Series since 2000. As for the games' finances, while individual things like free agency and the amateur draft have altered things in a big way, I'm not sure the overall effect is necessarily all that different. If you look at attendence figures over the history of baseball, there have always been radical differences between the most successful and the least successful teams. Keeping in mind that for much of baseball history, attendence was the biggest revenue factor, I'm not so sure that the current huge disparity between the Yankees and a team like the Devil Rays is any more pronounced than the difference between the Yankees and the St. Louis Browns in the 1930's (the Yankees outdrew the Browns by a better than 8:1 ratio in that decade). The Yankees themselves have undergone periods of mediocrity. Why did the Yankees not dominate the 1980's? Partly because Steinbrenner didn't spend as much, mainly because the management of the team was so lousy. Who's to say that the management of the Yankees may not suffer again in the future, or that Steinbrenner (or his eventual replacement) will continue to spend outrageously? Quote:
Contrary to popular belief, the Yankees aren't involved in bidding for every free agent. Who set the tone for free agent spending this offseason? The financially strapped Arizona Diamondbacks. Yes, certain teams don't get involved in bidding for the high-profile free agents, but those certain teams aren't always the same each season. Also in the Bill James Historical Baseball Abstract was the following prediction for the future of baseball: Quote:
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Take that for what it's worth, but a differing opinion to consider. Now, what does all this mean for BBM? First off, we have to decide how much we want the game to mirror reality, and how much we want it to deviate from reality to provide a more satisfying gaming experience (knowing that these two goals aren't always the same). A major issue here is that the primary crux of the game, the financial aspect, is modeled on current conditions. As such, it's somewhat difficult to match historical trends unless the game system is flexible enough to handle multiple possible financial systems and change them over time to match reality, i.e. not introducing the amateur draft until the mid-1960's and free agency in the mid-1970's. Secondly, if Bill James is correct and competitive balance issues will eventually be addressed within the game, this will undoubtably be some kind of financial solution such as increased revenue sharing which will be a modification from how the game is currently set-up. Should BBM try and anticipate these possible changes and incorporate them into how the game progresses through the future? Should some kind of revenue sharing system be included in the game that kicks in when payroll disparity passes a certain ratio? Should any city that gets to a certain size be granted an expansion team or have another team move there (as ought to happen with the New York/New Jersey area)? For my part, while I want the game to feature challenging scenarios, I also want the game to feel immersive. If the Yankees are always making the playoffs and never have any down periods, and if it's not just the Yankees but the Mets and the Dodgers also then I'm going to lose that sense of immersion. I don't want the Yankees to always win and the Devil Rays to always suck - I want the possibility of some variation in expected outcomes, for the Yankees to suffer some 8-10 season periods of mediocrity, for the Devil Rays to have some brief shining moments where smart management leads to on-field success, a new stadium and increased revenues that allow them to compete for a wild card for a decade. |
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when you do multiple season simming, it gives you a message saying all teams will be cpu controlled. so no trades between AI teams and human team for multiple seasons sim but i would love an option if you sim a week, month that the sim will stop if there a trade offer by the cpu. |
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An example of what the Simulator does...
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i did a 100 year sim from 2005 to 2106. Everything at default
World Series Wins American League NY Yankees won 62 times Anahiem Angels won 6 times Toronto Blue Jays won 2 times Boston Red Sox won 1 time National League Los Angeles Dodgers won 16 times New York Mets won 7 times Atlanta Braves won 3 times Houston Astros won 1 time Washington Nationals won 1 time San Fransico Giants won 1 time |
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Hey, but at least the Red Sox won once!
Seriously, that's a bit of a problem...
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Sounds about right if things keep moving in their current direction.
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Meet your 2011 Yankees!!
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Do players sometimes play well into their 40s?
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There is more of an ebb and flow to teams succeeding and failing. For instance, the Yankees started off strong but fell away because they went into the red. They then bounced back and got a roll on. The most successful team, based on average season record, was Boston who ran off 9 consecutive seasons of 100+ wins. Least successful was Tampa Bay who started off OK but then had 12 consective seasons with fewer than 70 wins ( or 15 straight <71 ). I don't think this is the most elegant solution but it comes a little closer to modelling how a successful franchise could stumble. It usually means that a team has overspent and has gone into the red. They usually need a couple of seasons of fiscal responsibility to correct this. I started with the default rosters for 2005 - I think initial success plays a part in future revenue streams when the cities are equalized. I have never been a fan of equalizing ( especially when I ran a Mogul online league ) but I can see it playing a part if someone wants to give "the little guy a chance". |
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I hate the Yankees as much as anyone, but this is hyperbole. The Yankees have been resurgant since 1995. Since then, they've won 4 World Series - that's 4 in the last 10 years. They haven't won it since 2000. The success of the late-'90's Yankees was as much to do with wise management of their resources as it was spending a ton of money. In fact, it's really only been in the last 4-5 years that the Yankees spending has gotten ridiculous, and it's served to prolong the playoff appearences of an aging team, but nothing more. George is going to flip his lid sooner rather than later and do something dumb like fire Cashman and/or drive Torre away. There's no guarantee that he'll hire better people to replace them. George spent a lot of money willy-nilly in the '80's too but it didn't do him much good. At some point the same thing is going to happen again to the Yanks, and they'll have a down cycle. The idea that the Yankees will dominate MLB for the next 100 years to the tune of winning 60% of the World Series titles is exaggeration. |
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If someone has a chance and time can you please sim 100 years starting 2005 to 2106 and Use Equalize Cities
and list who won how many world series and compare it to my default setting above. http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/f...&postcount=419 Let's see if NY Yankees win 62 World series in 100 years again with Equalize cites Enabled easiest way in the game is goto news, Finance, and change one header to World Series won. thanks. i be at work tommorrow, so wont have the beta with me. Last edited by jbmagic : 03-09-2005 at 01:53 AM. |
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Jeter and Renteria in the minors?! Todd Helton in "A" Ball?! Sigh.
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Of course, the hope would be that Helton would just retire rather than play in A ball. As I said, retirements of guys like Helton has been mentioned to Clay. But really, I don't see it as a big deal--unless Helton is blocking a youngster from playing down there. It's not like him being in single-A actually has an impact on anything important. Plus, an apparent bug has been uncovered where undrafted rookies are not going into the FA pool--leaving room on rosters for guys like Helton. I'm optimistic that once that bug gets fixed, leagues will get significantly younger.
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I understand your reasoning, but I have yet to see that in ML baseball. Maybe it's coming eventually... However, I'd really like to see logic built-in for the team to not only keep high-priced players on the major league roster, but also in the day-to-day lineup (unless the guy is batting .100). We know we've seen that hundreds of times in the past - the expensive players get precedence in roster moves as well as setting the lineup.
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It's the same discussion we had about FOF's AI rosters and the amount of turnover on them. AI teams usually only keep 15-20 players from one year to the next, but it appears that it actually makes the game a little harder--because they keep their stars. I'd rather keep the challenge and sacrifice the realism in this case.
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Yeah, I think SD is right. Jeter and Renteria are in AAA only because they had the money to sign BJ Upton. Otherwise, they'd be "forced" to play one (or both) of them in the majors. Still, it makes no sense - in real life, they'd trade one or both of them in a deal where they swallow the contracts. It's awfully hard to replicate on the computer what Derek Jeter represents to the franchise, but of course, they wouldn't screw with him at all in real life.
I can't run a test league until tonight, so undoubtedly someone will beat me to it, but if it takes equalizing the cities to get some sort of realism, then I'll deal with it. I'd still like some recognition of small/large markets, but I don't want anything near this drastic of an effect. Oh, and was anyone else struck by the fact that in 2011, Mark Prior and Josh Beckett will only be 30, and Albert Pujols only 31? Wow. Finally....looking at 21c's equalized cities test run - what I wouldn't give to see the Yankees lose 121 games in 2007!
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No matter how you play this game, it looks like the difficulty level settings are going to be:
Easy Medium Hard Difficult Mogul Devil Rays
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I like 21c's universe that has the White Sox winning 5 World Series in the next 50 years. (Sigh) If only...
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Dola--but everyone who is objecting to the Yankees and other big-market teams dominating the game so thoroughly is correct. That's just ridiculous. I mean, look at baseball history...since 1920 or so, the Yankees have been the dominant team. They've won 26 World Series since 1920, so that's 84 years, 26 titles. Over a 100 years, that would be roughly 31 titles. 62 is just freakin' nuts.
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OK. Here we go. Started in 2005, equalized cities, ran 100 seasons.
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This game is proof-positive that the Chicago teams should be better than they are.
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Are those the real payrolls? When you equalize cities, does that tend to deflate contracts?
Also, once you equalize, do the cities slowly gain back their big market, small market characteristics, or do the cities remain "equalized?"
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3. No. Even in 2105, all cities have the following: Population: 1,000,000 Region Population: 3,000,000 Per Capita Income: $22,500 Stadium Capacity: 50,000 What DOES change over time is fan loyalty--which is based on ticket prices, TV contracts, and how well you do on the field. In the current league, it ranges from A+ (St. Louis) to D- (Toronto). Looking over this, I have realized that there's something else that you can do (which I did not) to further "equalize" your start: Under Tools-->Advanced Tools, you can choose to "reset team grades"--which sets every team's starting fan loyalty at B-. Without doing this, all teams begin 2005 with differing fan loyalty ratings--even with cities equalized.
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Thanks. I think I like the idea of leaving differing fan loyalties, at least if I'm going to pick up with the "real" MLB in 2005. I want there to be some difference between NY and KC, just not to the tune of 62 championships in 100 years.
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Can you edit city data?
If so, someone who really wanted to could go through and balance it somewhere between the equalized status and the default status and probably get results that some folks are looking for. |
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You are told a team's "fan base" rating when you cycle through it to potentially pick it at the beginning of the game. I had always just assumed that this was a text version of the "Fan Loyalty" rating. Obviously, this isn't the case. Looking around, the following teams are +/- 10% or more...
FANATIC (+20%) Boston DEVOTED (+15%) St. Louis LOYAL (+10%) New York Yankees INDIFFERENT (-10%) Detroit Florida New York Mets Tampa Bay Texas
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Thanks for the Equalize Cities test.. Seems like if you have that enabled, it gives more teams a chance to win the world series with any team. with it on , it feels like you have a chance to build a team and win a world series. IF you dont use Equalize cities, than NY Yankees will dominate too much 63 championship in 100 years. And only very few teams has a chance to win a world series. i think that needs to be tweak. No team in any sport will have a run winnning 60% championship wins in 100 years . |
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I confess, I might have missed soem important detail along the way in this thread. Do I have this correct? - BM06 players will perform differently based on the handedness of their opposing pitcher/hitter - For real players imported into the game from a database, this "split" will be a constant - For fictional players generated in the game, this "split" will be a variable - Despite this, the game does not allow a team to set different lineups based on the handedness of the pitcher - Nor does the game allow any sort of pitcher specializtion (a slot especially to face batters of certain handedness) To those who are fully into all this -- Is that a fair summary of how handedness is treated in the current version of this game? |
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I hate to beat the drum on this one - but are the Yankees, with the astronomical payroll, the only teams doing this? Do other teams have a large contract guy playing in the minors? If that's the case (and therefore there's no logic to prevent this) then yes, there will be additional challenge when playing a team that can afford it, and less of a challenge when it comes to a team like the Royals (who can't afford to stick a $10 million contract in the minors). Again, there should be some roster/lineup logic that takes into account salary...just a slight modifier - it's really no big deal.
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