GAME OVER POST 733 - WW - The Jihad of Muad'dib

[ntndeacon]

The seer did scan Pass and Danny, and RA

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Danny

We may be looking at a seer reveal here. If there are 4 wolves, we are in end game scenario and even if 3, things aren't looking great. If the seer can catch a wolf they have to reveal, but even if they can clear 2 or 3 people, I think it's worth it to reveal as the wolves will have a pretty decent shot at hitting them with a night kill.

Just a note -- we're at 8 players now, so 4 wolves is not a possibility, otherwise we've lost. 3 wolves seems very likely, so if we're wrong here, we lose.

[ntndeacon]

All three were cleared

[Passacaglia]

That's interesting. I had an idea who the seer was, but I guess I was wrong (unless that person comes out and counter reveals). I did notice while looking for vote counts that NTN did say something about RA being good last night, but it didn't seem as strong as the person who I thought I saw dropping hints.

[Passacaglia]

NTN, was it:

Night 1: Passacaglia
Night 2: Danny
Night 3: RA

or

Night 0: Passacaglia
Night 1: Danny
Night 2: RA
Night 3: ???

If it's the first, why did you scan RA after he was lynched? If it's the 2nd, I thought there were no Night 3 actions?

[Passacaglia]

I mean, no Night 0 actions.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by saldana

there were no actions of any kind on night zero

I'm just going off this post -- I could be missing some context, but that seems pretty clear.

[ntndeacon]

Well I had planned to come back closer to the deadline and reiterate the RA love, but got tied up with something and made it back 30 min too late.

[ntndeacon]

it was Night 1: Danny
Night 2: RA
Night last: Pass

[Passacaglia]

Or is it:

Night 1: Passacaglia
Night 2: RA
Night 3: Danny

[ntndeacon]

basically wasn't saying in the order of scanning but the order of alive first

[Passacaglia]

Got it.

[Coffee Warlord]

PRIOR TO PASS SWITCHING VOTES THE FIRST TIME

Packerfanatic -3 (autumn @296, NTNdeacon @304, RA@321)
Raiders Army - 4 (dubb93@300, CW @312, DV @315, Cougar @317)
Autumn - 2 (Packerfanatic @303, Chief Rum @305)
Chief Rum -1 (Passacaglia @307)

PASS SWITCHES, DANNY TACKS ON A 5TH IMMEDIATELY

Packerfanatic -4 (autumn @296, NTNdeacon @304, RA@321, Passacaglia @326)
Raiders Army - 5 (dubb93@300, CW @312, DV @315, Cougar @317, Danny @328)
Autumn - 2 (Packerfanatic @303, Chief Rum @305)

DUBB MOVES, PASS & COUGAR FOLLOW SUIT

Packerfanatic -3 (autumn @296, NTNdeacon @304, RA@321)
Raiders Army - 3 (CW @312, DV @315, Danny @328)
Autumn - 5 (Packerfanatic @303, Chief Rum @305, dubb @332, Passacaglia @333, cougar @334)

That's where it got really, really weird. Massive swing, followed by even more
weirdness - Autumn flip flopping a bunch, pass forcing ANOTHER tie by moving to RA, freeing Autumn for a last minute kick over to RA for the kill, with an easy excuse of 'I didn't wanna kill him, but we have to avoid the tie'.

[PackerFanatic]

UNVOTE PASSACAGLIA

[Passacaglia]

My switch to RA put him in the lead by 2, it did not tie it like CR claimed.

[ntndeacon]

that sounds pretty damning CW.

Vote Autumn

[ntndeacon]

thanks for the correction Pass

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

My switch to RA put him in the lead by 2, it did not tie it like CR claimed.

I stand corrected. I'd edit my post, but that'd be bad.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

I stand corrected. I'd edit my post, but that'd be bad.

i wouldnt recommend it since i am still bent that you didnt run with the roleplay bait i gave you last night

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by saldana

i wouldnt recommend it since i am still bent that you didnt run with the roleplay bait i gave you last night

I CANNOT ROLEPLAY WHEN MY ROLE IS HISTORICALLY INACCURATE.

I am Muad'dib! I should know exactly who is doing what at all times! I should be able to use The Voice and just browbeat all these little non-future-seeing bitches!

GOD. FUCKING. EMPEROR.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by CR

Grrr... okay, Pass, you're starting to annoy me. What's your game here?

Originally Posted by CR to Pass

No, RA. You essentially were a key engineer here in RA ending up with the lynch. Your moves caused confusion, and have done so all game, not just now. If RA comes up good, I am inclined to lynch you sooner than later.

Originally Posted by Pass

I just wanted to see who else would follow dubb on Autumn. I think cougarfreak took the bait. Of course, we'll see what that means eventually. But I'm thinking if RA comes out bad, cougar looks bad for trying to save him.

Originally Posted by CR

Quite the bet there. Your bet isn't just on hanging coug with RA's badness, but your own on his goodness.

Does anyone else find it convenient that CR was the one offed last night?

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by saldana

i wouldnt recommend it since i am still bent that you didnt run with the roleplay bait i gave you last night

(that and I've been distracted at work the last couple days, with not as much time to devote to coming up with fun and entertaining enigmatic flavor comments)

But I repeat. God. Fucking. Emperor. If I cannot simply raise my voice and flood Arakis with the changed waters of life, ending all civilization, I protest.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

(that and I've been distracted at work the last couple days, with not as much time to devote to coming up with fun and entertaining enigmatic flavor comments)

But I repeat. God. Fucking. Emperor. If I cannot simply raise my voice and flood Arakis with the changed waters of life, ending all civilization, I protest.

historically inaccurate huh...you ain't seen nothing yet!!!

and the God. Fucking. Emperor should freaking know what to say when Shai Hulud goes by!!!!

[Chief Rum]

Ghost post:

I feel like I am watching two geeks cracking a joke that is way, way over my head.

[Autumn]

I can buy ntn's reveal. I am pretty sure Danny is good myself. I am only a vanilla villager but I dropped hints starting day one that I was the seer, figuring maybe I could get myself night killed and spoil the wolves' night. Obviously they didn't pick up on it or didn't buy it.

But Danny obviously did pick up on it, and several times mentioned that he wasn't going to vote me (which I'm surprised nobody jumped on). The fact that Danny thought I was hinting at being the seer, but nobody night killed me, suggests very strongly to me that Danny is good.

He is the only one who clearly knew what I was hinting though, so that's all I got from that.

I would not be surprised at all to find that Pass is the cunning. I know when I'm a cunning I do anything I can to draw just enough attention for a scan, and he's certainly done that.

I'm not particularly keen on voting someone who's been scanned though while there's at least two other wolves out there.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

PRIOR TO PASS SWITCHING VOTES THE FIRST TIME

Packerfanatic -3 (autumn @296, NTNdeacon @304, RA@321)
Raiders Army - 4 (dubb93@300, CW @312, DV @315, Cougar @317)
Autumn - 2 (Packerfanatic @303, Chief Rum @305)
Chief Rum -1 (Passacaglia @307)

PASS SWITCHES, DANNY TACKS ON A 5TH IMMEDIATELY

Packerfanatic -4 (autumn @296, NTNdeacon @304, RA@321, Passacaglia @326)
Raiders Army - 5 (dubb93@300, CW @312, DV @315, Cougar @317, Danny @328)
Autumn - 2 (Packerfanatic @303, Chief Rum @305)

DUBB MOVES, PASS & COUGAR FOLLOW SUIT

Packerfanatic -3 (autumn @296, NTNdeacon @304, RA@321)
Raiders Army - 3 (CW @312, DV @315, Danny @328)
Autumn - 5 (Packerfanatic @303, Chief Rum @305, dubb @332, Passacaglia @333, cougar @334)

That's where it got really, really weird. Massive swing, followed by even more
weirdness - Autumn flip flopping a bunch, pass forcing ANOTHER tie by moving to RA, freeing Autumn for a last minute kick over to RA for the kill, with an easy excuse of 'I didn't wanna kill him, but we have to avoid the tie'.

Which is why I don't encourage people to make moves like Pass's.

I flipped because otherwise I was going to get killed. I think just about any villager would do that. RA had time to reveal if he was a roled villager. I also made clear that I did not want to vote him, and tried my best to stay on PF. I flipped back because I didn't have time to think the vote through and felt like Pass might be pulling one over on me. Which he may well have been. I'm fine with people putting the eye on me, but I'd also like to consider what it would mean for PF to be a wolf, who saved him?

[Autumn]

It was
4- PF
5- RA
2- Autumn

Why does Dubb jump from RA to me at that point? Why do Cougar and Pass follow? Pass clearly was willing to jump anywhere to get us closer to a tie. But I'm not sure why Dubb and Cougar jumped off of RA.

[Autumn]

Reading back through last night I'm finding it hard to vote anywhere but for Pass, despite him being scanned. He is quite clearly willing to vote for absolutely anyone, and I don't see the reasoning behind most of his switches unless he's trying to tie things up or just make things a mess.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Just a note -- we're at 8 players now, so 4 wolves is not a possibility, otherwise we've lost. 3 wolves seems very likely, so if we're wrong here, we lose.

I count 9 players left.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by saldana

historically inaccurate huh...you ain't seen nothing yet!!!

and the God. Fucking. Emperor should freaking know what to say when Shai Hulud goes by!!!!

I'm not feeling all that motivated to bless the damn Maker these days, bucko.

[Danny]

vote pass

Checking in on phone. This is not my typical vote as pass was scanned, but the only logical reason for his behavior is being the cunning wolf. Out of the list of unscanned players, I would look back at DV and cougarfreak

[Danny]

vote pass

Checking in on phone. This is not my typical vote as pass was scanned, but the only logical reason for his behavior is being the cunning wolf. Out of the list of unscanned players, I would look back at DV and cougarfreak

[Danny]

And yes there are 9 players left. I may switch vote cause as I said its against the percentages and the way I normally vote. Quick player analysis

Coffee- cleared
Ntn - likely seer
Danny - scanned as good
Pass - scanned as good

Players left
Autumn
Cougar
Darth
Packer
Dubb

Not much to read on dubb one way or the other so far, but I think packer is a villager. I'd likely vote cougar if voting off of that list

[Coffee Warlord]

So here's the deal. I had it between DV and NTN as seer. Both were dropping subtle 'I'm the seer' vibes. With NTN revealing, that places DV and Autumn, who he was trying to hint at a seer clearing there, directly in my sites.

I'm very tempted to off DV today and test my theory.

[Coffee Warlord]

Which if I'm right, and both Autumn and DV are wolves, damn, my prescient power has returned.

[Danny]

If that really posted all those times then I think that puts pass at like 8 votes lol

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Which if I'm right, and both Autumn and DV are wolves, damn, my prescient power has returned.

And if it's Autumn, DV, AND Pass, you all better just bow down right now.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Danny

If that really posted all those times then I think that puts pass at like 8 votes lol

Thanks dude.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I count 9 players left.

Yes, your counting skills are apparently much better than mine. Thanks. That's good -- I can't imagine 4 wolves, so that gives us a little bit of breathing room here. But not really, if there's a brutal.

[Autumn]

I'll admit, right now I don't have a clue, other than suspecting Pass is the cunning. I guess I would vote DV out of that list, just because I remember having him on my list of suspicious characters, but I don't remember exactly why.

[Danny]

I could get behind a dv vote as well

[Autumn]

In my defense I'd like to point out that I held off from switching to RA as long as I could. If I was a wolf I would have switched to him right away and kept myself out of contention.

[Autumn]

I'm basically with you Danny, I'm strongly tempted to vote Pass even though that might not be the most sensible thing to do. I can't really explain his behavior any other way though than that he's the cunning or the traitor.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Which is why I don't encourage people to make moves like Pass's.

I flipped because otherwise I was going to get killed. I think just about any villager would do that. RA had time to reveal if he was a roled villager. I also made clear that I did not want to vote him, and tried my best to stay on PF. I flipped back because I didn't have time to think the vote through and felt like Pass might be pulling one over on me. Which he may well have been. I'm fine with people putting the eye on me, but I'd also like to consider what it would mean for PF to be a wolf, who saved him?

I'm not sure that my switching made a material difference, to be honest. RA was on top before I did anything, and ended up on top. And hey, I was only a small part of the chaos last night -- other people switched votes pretty often, too. But that's beside the point of this game. Anyway, I just realized this wasn't the post I meant to reply to. I'll go back and quote that one.

[ntndeacon]

By the way Oh Mighty Muad'dib. Just to be historically accurate mind you. Might isuggest that you have nevwer been God Emperor, but the father of that illustrious being.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I can buy ntn's reveal. I am pretty sure Danny is good myself. I am only a vanilla villager but I dropped hints starting day one that I was the seer, figuring maybe I could get myself night killed and spoil the wolves' night. Obviously they didn't pick up on it or didn't buy it.

But Danny obviously did pick up on it, and several times mentioned that he wasn't going to vote me (which I'm surprised nobody jumped on). The fact that Danny thought I was hinting at being the seer, but nobody night killed me, suggests very strongly to me that Danny is good.

He is the only one who clearly knew what I was hinting though, so that's all I got from that.

I would not be surprised at all to find that Pass is the cunning. I know when I'm a cunning I do anything I can to draw just enough attention for a scan, and he's certainly done that.

I'm not particularly keen on voting someone who's been scanned though while there's at least two other wolves out there.

I didn't pick up on your seer hints, but I picked up on Danny reading you seer hints -- when he said he won't be voting for you, I was pretty sure he was the seer (that's who I was referring to earlier). And since I thought Danny scanned you, that's why I jumped from voting you Day 1 to trying to save you Day 3.

Thank God for the ntn reveal though -- I was *this* close to fake revealing as the seer, and saying who I thought Danny scanned, and hoping you guys would pick up on the fact that I was trying to save the real seer.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I didn't pick up on your seer hints, but I picked up on Danny reading you seer hints -- when he said he won't be voting for you, I was pretty sure he was the seer (that's who I was referring to earlier). And since I thought Danny scanned you, that's why I jumped from voting you Day 1 to trying to save you Day 3.

Thank God for the ntn reveal though -- I was *this* close to fake revealing as the seer, and saying who I thought Danny scanned, and hoping you guys would pick up on the fact that I was trying to save the real seer.

Also, I thought you were with me in thinking Danny was the seer -- you said something about me noticing the right things in this game. After reading your post now, you must have thought that I had picked up that you might be the seer, not Danny,

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I'm basically with you Danny, I'm strongly tempted to vote Pass even though that might not be the most sensible thing to do. I can't really explain his behavior any other way though than that he's the cunning or the traitor.

What behavior do you want me to explain? I'm not sure what I've done that's been questioned (other than "he's acting fishy"). I'll do my best to explain it -- I think I've done a little with my last couple posts, and now that I'm not trying to keep my "Danny as the seer" thoughts a secret, I can be totally open now.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Also, I thought you were with me in thinking Danny was the seer -- you said something about me noticing the right things in this game. After reading your post now, you must have thought that I had picked up that you might be the seer, not Danny,

That's right, you said something about feeling good about me, and so I figured you had gone back and noticed my hints.

Pass, while we have ended up with the same results, you have to admit that your moves were a bit unorthodox last night particularly. I think you're going to have to give us some explanation as to why anyone but the cunning would switch around like that.

[Autumn]

I don't have time to go back and read the posts again, but if you look through last night, Pass, you switched votes, then when Chief switched votes you switched again. It certainly looks like you're either trying to confuse the vote or cause a tie.