Werewolf XXXIX: The Lady of La Rochelle–GAME OVER.

[st.cronin]

Those of you with votes on me would be well advised to move them. I have a potentially powerful role which I cannot reveal.

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

I do not have bold on firefox for some reason. I hope you take this Gram

The bold tags are [ b ] and [ /b ] (without the spaces). I always type them in since disabling javascript disallows me from using any board buttons.

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by BrianD

I'm assuming this is one of those cases where outside knowledge of the setting is dangerous. People with the Musketeer roles are probably going to be giving out as little info as possible. They never know what details will get them killed, so they usually don't give any out. The fact that Cronin was so happy to give out his interesting "random fact" leads me to believe he is OK.

So, we should ignore this evidence, and focus on the other players that are leading the voting? Are the reasons people are voting for me better than cronin saying he is studying to be a priest?

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Those of you with votes on me would be well advised to move them. I have a potentially powerful role which I cannot reveal.

Interesting. I'll give you a day or two.

unvote st. cronin
vote Chief Rum

[Tyrith]

Cronin saying that he's a priest is one of those typical shreds of evidence that we use to lynch people, and they are almost never right. And I agree with him that this outside information is bush league. None of this information was volunteered until after the votes were already on.

Also, when it comes to dubb, I don't think you can just pick up the glove

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Fouts

So, we should ignore this evidence, and focus on the other players that are leading the voting? Are the reasons people are voting for me better than cronin saying he is studying to be a priest?

Not really, no. With the info Cronin gave, I would position him at a hair toward the good side of neutral. Most everyone everyone else is still right at neutral.

[hoopsguy]

Cronin, do you have a current vote count?

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

You are. Go back and read all my posts.

I just got done doing precisely this. I think i see what you are saying. I said previously it might not be a good point. it still makes me somewhat suspicious. but iwill back off. and go back to my random vote.
Unvote St. Cronin
Vote Brian

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by BrianD

Not really, no. With the info Cronin gave, I would position him at a hair toward the good side of neutral. Most everyone everyone else is still right at neutral.

So, who do you find the most guilty right now?

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Cronin, do you have a current vote count?

compiling now ... give me a minute

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Fouts

So, who do you find the most guilty right now?

I really don't have a most guilty right now. I'm thinking St. Cronin and Tyrith won't get my vote today, and I probably won't vote for Dubb. Beyond that, I have no clue.

[path12]

Well this has been a pretty meta day.

Until he answers Alan's question,

VOTE IZULDE

He's misdirecting.

[BrianD]

Fouts, I do realize that I have been arguing against the only people that are giving us any possible reason to vote for them, but I keep hoping to find some subtle clues to use rather than clues which seem too obvious to be giving out. I don't know if it helps us at all, but that is what I am trying to do.

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

Cronin saying that he's a priest is one of those typical shreds of evidence that we use to lynch people, and they are almost never right. And I agree with him that this outside information is bush league. None of this information was volunteered until after the votes were already on.

Also, when it comes to dubb, I don't think you can just pick up the glove

Actually the info was volunteered, because I was unsure if I was going to be able to share it later. I probably would not have used it that early if I had not thought I was about to be in a duel and possibly die. I do not neccesarily agree it is bush league. I am sorry but if I know something of the story. Iam going to use it if it helps. I imagine if we have a porthos, or D'artangnon, they will be on the side of the musketeers. should that be the only thing we look at no of course not, but when I don't know anything about anything as is the case in most WW games on day one. whether I have a random vote on some villager (as is probable) or a vote on a villager for a related book I have read. There isn't a lot of difference.

[st.cronin]

(4) Fouts - ChiefRum (194), Alan (261), Jonathan (264), Izulde (314)
(3) Ntndeacon - Tyrith (301), DaddyTorgo (310), St.cronin (352)
(2) Dubb - Barkeep (120), Lathum (160)
(2) St.cronin - Anxiety (209), LoneStarGirl (398)
(1) Lonestargirl - , Blade (273)
(1) Hoopsguy - Coffee Warlord (271)
(1) Tyrith - Dubb (378)
(1) Chief Rum - Fouts (404)
(1) BrianD - ntndeacon (408)
(1) Izulde - path12 (412)

Please check my work for errors.

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by BrianD

Fouts, I do realize that I have been arguing against the only people that are giving us any possible reason to vote for them, but I keep hoping to find some subtle clues to use rather than clues which seem too obvious to be giving out. I don't know if it helps us at all, but that is what I am trying to do.

Yeah, that seems to be the only way to get an edge. The obvious clues aren't really clues usually.

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by BrianD

Fouts, I do realize that I have been arguing against the only people that are giving us any possible reason to vote for them, but I keep hoping to find some subtle clues to use rather than clues which seem too obvious to be giving out. I don't know if it helps us at all, but that is what I am trying to do.

Thats fine. I think people are watching you two now, which is good enough for me. st.cronin saying he has a potentially powerful role screams night 1 kill or bad guy. You sorta sticking up for him is different, as I have you pegged as a loner type or neutral type of player in WW (for the most part).

[ntndeacon]

And Ipretty much assume we will get a villager in general on day one.

[Alan T]

This is the vote count I have as of #413:

(4) Fouts - ChiefRum (194), Alan (261), Jonathan (264), Izulde (314)
(3) Ntndeacon - Tyrith (301), DaddyTorgo (310). St.Cronin (352)
(2) Dubb - Barkeep (120), Lathum (160)
(2) St.cronin - Anxiety (209), Lonestargirl (398)
(1) Lonestargirl - Blade (273)
(1) Hoopsguy - Coffee Warlord (271)
(1) Tyrith - Dubb (378)
(1) BrianD - Ntndeacon (408)
(1) Chief Rum - Fouts (404)
(1) Izulde - Path (412)

[Fouts]

NTN, how are you with a pistol?

[ntndeacon]

I guess we will find out soon enough Fouts.

[hoopsguy]

I'm not inclined to vote for NTN, Dubb, or Cronin today for various reasons:
- NTN coming forward with a legitimate idea that no one else seems to have considered.
- Dubb clearly seems to have an agenda. I expect this to sort itself out over next couple of days, for better or worse
- Cronin says he has a non-vanilla role. I'm not inclined to pressure him for a reveal on this during Day 1. Again, probably sorts itself out sooner rather than later

So I'm then looking at the one-vote people. I'm not going to self-vote; would not ever do this. So that leaves five people for a semi-random vote.

I'll choose Izulde for the (relatively) quiet player whose agenda I can't discern so far.

VOTE IZULDE

[Fouts]

unvote Chief Rum
vote Izulde

[Fouts]

I'm good with voting for any of the 4 who voted for me. Plus this makes it 4-3-3, who's dueling who? Hmm?

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Fouts

Thats fine. I think people are watching you two now, which is good enough for me. st.cronin saying he has a potentially powerful role screams night 1 kill or bad guy. You sorta sticking up for him is different, as I have you pegged as a loner type or neutral type of player in WW (for the most part).

You have me pegged as a loner type or neutral type of player in WW games in general, or in this one specifically?

[st.cronin]

unvote ntndeacon
vote Izulde

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by BrianD

You have me pegged as a loner type or neutral type of player in WW games in general, or in this one specifically?

In general, you usually keep from backing anyone. I'm probably thinking of specific roles (wizard, Umbrella), but thats what sticks in my mind.

[Tyrith]

That's quite a run there. Do we want it to be Fouts-Izulde or ntn-Izulde? I'm okay with either, but if I should shift my vote or not. Thoughts?

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

That's quite a run there. Do we want it to be Fouts-Izulde or ntn-Izulde? I'm okay with either, but if I should shift my vote or not. Thoughts?

My thoughts are that I am a good guy, and will not duel anyone.

[Alan T]

Current vote total:

(4) Fouts - ChiefRum (194), Alan (261), Jonathan (264), Izulde (314)
(3) Ntndeacon - Tyrith (301), DaddyTorgo (310). St.Cronin (352)
(3) Izulde - Path (412), Hoopsguy (421), Fouts (424)
(2) Dubb - Barkeep (120), Lathum (160)
(2) St.cronin - Anxiety (209), Lonestargirl (398)
(1) Lonestargirl - Blade (273)
(1) Hoopsguy - Coffee Warlord (271)
(1) Tyrith - Dubb (378)
(1) BrianD - Ntndeacon (408)

No vote: Mr.Wednesday, Sndvls

I assume when the rules say majority vote it requires one person to have 11 votes today otherwise it goes to duel. In the rules it says if there is a tie for the top two vote getters the GM will determine the tiebreaker and who will duel.

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by Fouts

My thoughts are that I am a good guy, and will not duel anyone.

This could be a hint...I don't know, just pointing it out.

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Fouts

In general, you usually keep from backing anyone. I'm probably thinking of specific roles (wizard, Umbrella), but thats what sticks in my mind.

Interesting. I can see that view. I tend to play pretty cautious and not stick up for people unless I know they are good, but I've been trying to take a more active role lately. Why let Alan, Blade and Hoops have all the fun?

[Alan T]

Sorry, with cronin's switch this is vote count now:

(4) Fouts - ChiefRum (194), Alan (261), Jonathan (264), Izulde (314)
(4) Izulde - Path (412), Hoopsguy (421), Fouts (424), St.cronin (426)
(2) Ntndeacon - Tyrith (301), DaddyTorgo (310).
(2) Dubb - Barkeep (120), Lathum (160)
(2) St.cronin - Anxiety (209), Lonestargirl (398)
(1) Lonestargirl - Blade (273)
(1) Hoopsguy - Coffee Warlord (271)
(1) Tyrith - Dubb (378)
(1) BrianD - Ntndeacon (408)

No vote: Mr.Wednesday, Sndvls

[ntndeacon]

alright, in self preservation...
Unvote Brian
Vote Izulde

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by BrianD

Interesting. I can see that view. I tend to play pretty cautious and not stick up for people unless I know they are good, but I've been trying to take a more active role lately. Why let Alan, Blade and Hoops have all the fun?

I agree! I love when people are more active

[BrianD]

Alan, I haven't voted yet either.

[ntndeacon]

sorry did not see that iwasn't still in second place.

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

This could be a hint...I don't know, just pointing it out.

A hint that I am a coward? Maybe.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I've already forgotten if Izulde had anything interesting to say. Regardless, I feel better there than with Fouts, ntn, dubb, or st.cronin, so Izulde it is.

VOTE Izulde

[Fouts]

Hmm, Izulde should be here sticking up for himself.

[Tyrith]

We have to be careful and make sure we don't accidentally outright lynch Izulde :P

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by BrianD

Alan, I haven't voted yet either.

Ok, my bad. Added you in then. So we have 3 people who havent voted yet.

One interesting note though that Im not sure if anyone has caught other than me..

I've been all game on Izulde's case for ignoring my question about his abilities.. well those obviously are his marksmanship ability... So this late run on Izulde now has changed the duel from ntn vs fouts to izulde vs fouts.

If we are to believe Izulde in being an excellent sharpshooter, then did this run just seal fouts' doom if this is the way it ends? As he might have possibly had a chance in a duel vs ntn, will he be severely outclassed now by Izulde?

[Alan T]

dola, what I mean is if anyone else caught on to that, it might be a way to get someone lynched passive agressively by making sure they go up against someone unbeatable in a duel. THen later they can say "well I didn't vote for them!"

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by Fouts

A hint that I am a coward? Maybe.

You're smart enough to understand how the rules work....okay.

I think we have to consider that Fouts might be hinting a role here. Related to Alan's inquiry, by voting Izulde are we condemning Izulde to his death? Or are we going to get ntn shot by izulde instead? I don't have any answers, but this might mean something.

[ntndeacon]

that is a possibility Alan, but do we really know about Either of thier abilities. if I had poor abilities, imight let it be know how wonderful iam with this or that, to keep people away from dueling with me.

[LoneStarGirl]

Okay, GE busted and went upstairs so i can have the computer for awhile. Under our firefox, the /b or whatever you do, doesn't work. I always have to get under internet explorer, it sucks. I have had to read 7 pages and its hard to keep up and pinpoint a player to pick. Are we trying to get a majority? Or a pluarality? I will change my vote off of st cronin if somebody has a good suggestion as to were to put it

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

that is a possibility Alan, but do we really know about Either of thier abilities. if I had poor abilities, imight let it be know how wonderful iam with this or that, to keep people away from dueling with me.

The only flaw with this assessment is that you can turn down a duel. Theoretically there aren't any other guns out there for night engagement stuff, so if you're bad there's no real reason to say otherwise unless you're forseeing this exact scenario. And while it's possible there are guns out there at night, it's more likely to be someone just flat out shooting someone than a gunfight, because a gunfight requires more guns and is thus more complicated. I don't really buy this too much, although I have to admit it's possible.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

that is a possibility Alan, but do we really know about Either of thier abilities. if I had poor abilities, imight let it be know how wonderful iam with this or that, to keep people away from dueling with me.

Well the frustrating thing for me so far this game is I didnt really understand what benefit there was to either Izulde or Dubb revealing their great abilities. I only saw all kinds of ways it could be used against us rather than help us at least to start the game.

I guess this is an example of a way.. its very possible Izulde was lying, as that is one of the scenerios I laid out originally is that it was a bluff.. However telling the truth, or just perceived to be telling the truth, it might be used in the same way.

Maybe the huge run on Izulde suddenly after I spent all weekend griping about him is completely coeincidental though.

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Well the frustrating thing for me so far this game is I didnt really understand what benefit there was to either Izulde or Dubb revealing their great abilities. I only saw all kinds of ways it could be used against us rather than help us at least to start the game.

I guess this is an example of a way.. its very possible Izulde was lying, as that is one of the scenerios I laid out originally is that it was a bluff.. However telling the truth, or just perceived to be telling the truth, it might be used in the same way.

Maybe the huge run on Izulde suddenly after I spent all weekend griping about him is completely coeincidental though.

Part of you has to hope it's coincidental in case he comes up good, because if he dies today and is good, what happens tomorrow?

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

The only flaw with this assessment is that you can turn down a duel. Theoretically there aren't any other guns out there for night engagement stuff, so if you're bad there's no real reason to say otherwise unless you're forseeing this exact scenario. And while it's possible there are guns out there at night, it's more likely to be someone just flat out shooting someone than a gunfight, because a gunfight requires more guns and is thus more complicated. I don't really buy this too much, although I have to admit it's possible.

to switch games on you a sec. wasn't there a character in the Tombstone game that had to accept a shootout if called on. The Dentist ithink. couldn't it be possible to have a hotheaded Cardinal guard who has to accept a duel, and couldn't that same guardsman suck at dueling?