The Official 2016-17 NBA Regular Season Thread

[PineTar]

Now on par with the NFL in terms of crap showcase. Shameful really.

[LloydLungs]

I get nobody wants to risk injury in an All-Star game but honestly, I don't think you're really risking anything by putting out some low baseline level of effort defensively. You only have to do enough to make an all-star have to do some all-star level things to score. That's not much, and that would be plenty. Standing there and just flailing stupidly at an offensive player as he zooms past you just ruins the game. Jimmer Fredette could score 40 in this game.

The NBA is tremendous right now, this is not really an important issue, but true all the same. Nice to see the home towner Anthony Davis get the MVP, although it was basically prearranged. The level of defense dictates that the offense of the winning team can decide who it wants to get the MVP -- they have complete control.

[jbergey22]

It was awful 10 years ago so I can only imagine by the score it is a complete monstrosity of crap by now.

[Groundhog]

We needed the West team to trade Westbrook to the East, then it might have been a little competitive. Maybe.

But yeah, I don't think I've watched an All-Star game in over a decade. It was bad enough walking through the lunchroom at work an hour ago and seeing 10 seconds of it on the TV.

[wustin]

Marc Stein on Twitter: "Buddy Hield, Tyreke Evans, Langston Galloway and a future first- and second-round to Sacramento for DeMarcus Cousins, league sources say"

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by wustin

Marc Stein on Twitter: "Buddy Hield, Tyreke Evans, Langston Galloway and a future first- and second-round to Sacramento for DeMarcus Cousins, league sources say"

Philly is the big winner of this trade.

[wustin]

How in the world did Ainge and Boston not beat that deal. Pelicans got away with robbery on that.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by wustin

How in the world did Ainge and Boston not beat that deal. Pelicans got away with robbery on that.

Vlade is the worst executive in the NBA.

EDIT: The Pelicans get a top 15-20 player in exchange for 3 bench players plus a 1st and 2nd round pick. Philly's chance of landing in the top 3 increase slightly and they'll be competing with the Nets for the 1st overall pick next year thanks to the Kings.

[wustin]

Kings are also sending Omri Casspri to NO. Also I'm pretty sure that 1st pick is protected.

[Groundhog]

Apparently the pick has some protection, but it is expected Sacramento will keep the pick... Either way, if this was NBA 2K17 I'd be filling a bug report after that atrocious deal.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by wustin

How in the world did Ainge and Boston not beat that deal. Pelicans got away with robbery on that.

I'd guess either we're one of the teams who thought Boogie's attitude wasn't worth it at any price, the Kings didn't bother calling every team, or maybe we really did feel DeMarcus was serious about not re-signing with whomever traded for him? Idk, this is a shocker.

[wustin]

Oh god I just remembered the Sixers have the right to swap picks with the Kings this year if the Kings have a top 10 pick.

Sixers have a legit shot at a top 3 pick now LOL

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by wustin

Oh god I just remembered the Sixers have the right to swap picks with the Kings this year if the Kings have a top 10 pick.

Sixers have a legit shot at a top 3 pick now LOL

They also have the Kings 1st next year.

[rjolley]

Originally Posted by wustin

Oh god I just remembered the Sixers have the right to swap picks with the Kings this year if the Kings have a top 10 pick.

Sixers have a legit shot at a top 3 pick now LOL

The 76ers get the Kings' first rounder if it's top 10, the Bulls get it if it's not.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Atocep

They also have the Kings 1st next year.

No, it's for 2019. It's unprotected! Tonight's big winner is Philly.

[RainMaker]

Basically the Kings could get the first 2 picks in this year's draft and lose them both (swap their own with Philly and the Pels pick is top-3 protected).

[Atocep]

Apparently the Lakers wouldn't give up Ingram to get him.

[Groundhog]

Although I don't think Ingram will ever be as good as Cousins is right now, I don't think it makes sense for the Lakers bringing in Cousins when the rest of their roster is a big WIP.

[bhlloy]

Originally Posted by rjolley

The 76ers get the Kings' first rounder if it's top 10, the Bulls get it if it's not.

The article I read on ESPN disagrees - Kings keep theirs if it's in the top 10, so it's very likely they have two lottery picks this year. I don't think it's nearly as bad a deal for the Kings as everyone is making out if that is true. Were they ever going to win anything with Boogie? At least this way they have a shot at two good young players, with Cousins they were probably locked into the 12-14 range and losing the pick for sure, and rolling out the same roster next year.

As for the Pelicans, I think it's a great move for them too, but this will be one of the more interesting "is there any way in hell that works" I've seen in a long time.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Seeing ESPN rumor/report that Kings will waive Matt Barnes to clear roster space.

The same article notes that he's in the first year of a 2-year $12.5m contract so that left me wondering ... does waiving him give them a cap hit next year? Or is there some leftover amnesty provision for them to use on that or ???

[Qwikshot]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

The article I read on ESPN disagrees - Kings keep theirs if it's in the top 10, so it's very likely they have two lottery picks this year. I don't think it's nearly as bad a deal for the Kings as everyone is making out if that is true. Were they ever going to win anything with Boogie? At least this way they have a shot at two good young players, with Cousins they were probably locked into the 12-14 range and losing the pick for sure, and rolling out the same roster next year.

As for the Pelicans, I think it's a great move for them too, but this will be one of the more interesting "is there any way in hell that works" I've seen in a long time.

It's a pick swap meaning Sixers get the best of the two picks (meaning if Sac is better it becomes the Sixers and the Sixers pick becomes the Kings).

2019 is unprotected.

Sixers have the Lakers pick (top 3 protected) and if it doesn't transfer this year, it's unprotected next year.

Sixers are in a really good place; shame Hinkie was forced out.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Seeing ESPN rumor/report that Kings will waive Matt Barnes to clear roster space.

The same article notes that he's in the first year of a 2-year $12.5m contract so that left me wondering ... does waiving him give them a cap hit next year? Or is there some leftover amnesty provision for them to use on that or ???

They could either stretch that money over several years or get Barnes to agree to a discount so he can go to a contender. (Fwiw it's a player option for next year, but that doesn't really matter in this scenario.)

Originally Posted by bhlloy

The article I read on ESPN disagrees - Kings keep theirs if it's in the top 10, so it's very likely they have two lottery picks this year. I don't think it's nearly as bad a deal for the Kings as everyone is making out if that is true. Were they ever going to win anything with Boogie? At least this way they have a shot at two good young players, with Cousins they were probably locked into the 12-14 range and losing the pick for sure, and rolling out the same roster next year.

76ers have swap rights on that Sacramento pick, so the Kings will get the worse of their pick & Philly's. (Unless Sacramento goes on a run & the Bulls get it outside the top 10.)

This draft is great, but it's still not 14 deep with good players (the consensus is a drop off after 8-9 right now, though still also a deep draft for teams in the 20's/30's), so even assuming the Pelicans miss the playoffs (and I'd say that's about 50/50) calling a pick in the 12-14 range a lottery pick is stretching it - especially because in the remote chance the Pelicans hit a lottery ball the Kings hilariously allowed the Pelicans to top-3 protect it!

[stevew]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Seeing ESPN rumor/report that Kings will waive Matt Barnes to clear roster space.

The same article notes that he's in the first year of a 2-year $12.5m contract so that left me wondering ... does waiving him give them a cap hit next year? Or is there some leftover amnesty provision for them to use on that or ???

There's a stretch provision now where you can take a future year(s) salary and split it over double the years plus one. In this case they will likely be taking hits of 2M each vs the cap in 17-18, 18-19, 19-20

[rjolley]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

The article I read on ESPN disagrees - Kings keep theirs if it's in the top 10, so it's very likely they have two lottery picks this year. I don't think it's nearly as bad a deal for the Kings as everyone is making out if that is true. Were they ever going to win anything with Boogie? At least this way they have a shot at two good young players, with Cousins they were probably locked into the 12-14 range and losing the pick for sure, and rolling out the same roster next year.

As for the Pelicans, I think it's a great move for them too, but this will be one of the more interesting "is there any way in hell that works" I've seen in a long time.

Yeah, should've been clearer with that, but others corrected.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by stevew

There's a stretch provision now where you can take a future year(s) salary and split it over double the years plus one. In this case they will likely be taking hits of 2M each vs the cap in 17-18, 18-19, 19-20

Good Lord, no wonder I didn't know.

Thanks.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Good Lord, no wonder I didn't know.

Thanks.

Don't worry, Vlade & the Kings management team didn't know either when they made that ill fated deal with Philly to clear cap space!

Kings GM Vlade Divac says he received a better DeMarcus Cousins trade offer 2 days ago

What a mess. It seems obvious the Kings management jumped on the first deal offered once Vivek gave the OK before he changed his mind.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Don't worry, Vlade & the Kings management team didn't know either when they made that ill fated deal with Philly to clear cap space!

Kings GM Vlade Divac says he received a better DeMarcus Cousins trade offer 2 days ago

What a mess. It seems obvious the Kings management jumped on the first deal offered once Vivek gave the OK before he changed his mind.

Vivek also believes Buddy is the next Steph apparently.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Vivek also believes Buddy is the next Steph apparently.

He said that last spring, who knows what he believes now!

I also believe it was a year before that he said Nic Stauskas shot like Steph & had size like Klay.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Los Angeles Lakers put Magic Johnson in charge, fire Mitch Kupchak, Jim Buss


I'm NOT wishing ill health on anybody or anything of the sort but ... who gets sister Buss' shares in the event of her death? Has she got any kids or anything? Or would her shares revert to the brother she just deposed?

Talk about things REALLY getting interesting then, oy.

edit: I ask about this here 'cause I wondered if someone might recall how the ownership split went when their father died.

[Atocep]

I can't see Magic doing well when it comes to personnel decisions. Buss and Kupchak needed to go, but this doesn't really improve things IMO. The Lakers are miles behind every other organization's analytics department and this doesn't change that.

[JonInMiddleGA]

As for my question, this article from last year mostly seems to cover what I wondered about. The six siblings each have 11%, a total of 66% in a trust that prohibits them from selling shares individually. That likely means that the shares would stay in the trust upon any death & each siblings share of control would simply increase. What I'd forgotten was the role of the other four siblings in the ownership.

A Family Divided: Unrest Growing in Buss Family as Lakers Struggle to Rebuild | Bleacher Report

[stevew]

I don't think Magic will do a good job either. Hopefully he delegates to someone else far more versed on player evaluation and analytics.

[murrayyyyy]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Vivek also believes Buddy is the next Steph apparently.

Favorite stat that I saw was the Boogie has hit 6 more 3 point shots than Hield this season.

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by stevew

I don't think Magic will do a good job either. Hopefully he delegates to someone else far more versed on player evaluation and analytics.

I think, as far as businesses go, Magic has usually hired guys who can cover his weak spots

[wustin]

They're hiring a prominent agent to be the next GM. Magic is just going to be the media guy

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

I think, as far as businesses go, Magic has usually hired guys who can cover his weak spots

Serious question. Does he get credit for hiring Andrew Friedman?

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

Serious question. Does he get credit for hiring Andrew Friedman?

Nope. He's there to kiss babies

[MrBug708]

Lakers managed to get a 1st round pick for Lou Williams. Had to take on Corey Brewer, but need as many losses as possible!

[BishopMVP]

Nerlens to the Mavs for Justin Anderson, Andrew Bogut (buyout?), and a 1st round pick. Not sure if it's this year's Mavs or if there's any protection on it. (Top 3 protection on this year's would make sense.)

[djsatu]

Derrick Rose for Rubio + ?

[rjolley]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Nerlens to the Mavs for Justin Anderson, Andrew Bogut (buyout?), and a 1st round pick. Not sure if it's this year's Mavs or if there's any protection on it. (Top 3 protection on this year's would make sense.)

With Embiid still being an injury risk, I don't understand trading Noel. I would think they would rather move Okafor given that he's the odd man out.

Not sure what Chicago will do, if anything. Unless they bring in picks, they might do best by standing pat and asking Butler and Wade to coast in so they can drop into the lottery.

[wustin]

That draft pick is top 18 protected lol

Sixers probably didn't to commit a max to Noel and just wanted to get rid of him.

[murrayyyyy]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Nerlens to the Mavs for Justin Anderson, Andrew Bogut (buyout?), and a 1st round pick. Not sure if it's this year's Mavs or if there's any protection on it. (Top 3 protection on this year's would make sense.)

Would assume Bogut is a buyout with the 76ers short of the BRI floor of 84.73 million.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by wustin

That draft pick is top 18 protected lol

Sixers probably didn't to commit a max to Noel and just wanted to get rid of him.

But does it roll over to 2018 or turn into a 2nd? If it turns into a 2nd then LOL indeed at the Sixers "getting a 1st round pick".

Celtics should trade both Nets picks for Butler but protect this year's 1-4 & next year lottery. That way GarPax can say they got both Nets picks for Butler under this mechanism!

Originally Posted by rjolley

With Embiid still being an injury risk, I don't understand trading Noel. I would think they would rather move Okafor given that he's the odd man out.

Not sure what Chicago will do, if anything. Unless they bring in picks, they might do best by standing pat and asking Butler and Wade to coast in so they can drop into the lottery.

Unfortunately I think 29 NBA teams also think Nerlens is better than Jah, and Nerlens is about to get paid while Okafor is still under a rookie deal for 3.5 years. Too bad for Philly the NO trade wasn't as finalized as it appeared last week.

Bulls are probably making the playoffs unless they trade Butler/Gibson. There just aren't enough East teams with any consistency in that mix. On the flip side the battle is looking outrageous for the West 8 seed now.

[Sublime 2]

Seems to be traction on PG13 to Boston. Love deadline day! I'm not even sure it's the right move depending on package, but fun times.

[Vince, Pt. II]

I wonder if the Warriors have any interest in picking Bogut up if he is bought out? Would be amazing to get him back.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

But does it roll over to 2018 or turn into a 2nd? If it turns into a 2nd then LOL indeed at the Sixers "getting a 1st round pick".

Zach Low says it converts to two 2nd round picks if not conveyed.
(Just happened to notice that on espn.com)

[Sublime 2]

Originally Posted by Vince, Pt. II

I wonder if the Warriors have any interest in picking Bogut up if he is bought out? Would be amazing to get him back.

I don't believe they can. Read somewhere that he can't re-sign with them for 1yr. Might have misread that though.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Sublime 2

I don't believe they can. Read somewhere that he can't re-sign with them for 1yr. Might have misread that though.

Correct, based on this article from an hour ago anyway


Why Andrew Bogut can't return to the Warriors this season

[CrescentMoonie]

Happy that the Wizards didn't do anything crazy but still were able to strengthen the bench with Bogdonavich and got rid of Nicholson's horrible contract. Thanks Brooklyn.