POTUS 2024 - Harris vs Trump - General Election Discussion

[Thomkal]

you can check your registration quickly in South Carolina-my mother and I are doing absentee ballots so had to send a letter to get the application, they called to check on something about me, then will send the applications I think within 30 days from the election. They have a place where you can check to see if your absentee ballot had been received.

[Thomkal]

Newsmax has settled with Smartmatic over their defamation of them over the 2020 election claims as jury selection was ongoing. There are still other suits out there to be decided yet. I really wish one of these goes to trial and we can see all the evidence and hear all the lies:


Newsmax and Smartmatic settle 2020 election defamation caseÂ*on eve of trial | CNN Business

[Ryche]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Oh, that’s good. So plenty of communication, widely publicized and people know how to check?

At some point the voter does have to take some responsibility, like others have shown it's not hard to check.

I like how they handle the our ballots here (Colorado, all by mail unless you want to go to your polling place.) We get sent an email when the ballot is mailed, another when they receive the returned ballot and a third when it has been counted.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

FWIW, I just checked my SC registration. Pretty sure it took less than a minute, probably around 30 seconds like albion. We moved to NC in 2014. Last time I checked out of curiosity--either 2020 or 2022, likely the former--I was still on the roll there, so at least six years. I'm finally off of it now.

And based on this, I checked my registration in Louisiana, and I am still listed as an active voter there. It has been over 20 years since I've lived there. And I am pretty sure that I am still registered at my parents' house, where I have not lived since 1994.

So, yeah, periodic cleaning of the rolls is a good thing.

[Mota]

I would like to see a report on which party the dead people voted for.

[Lathum]

Apparently Trump is going to be at the Georgia-Bama game tonight and the Harris campaign is going to fly a banner over the stadium that says "Trump punted on 2nd debate"

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Apparently Trump is going to be at the Georgia-Bama game tonight and the Harris campaign is going to fly a banner over the stadium that says "Trump punted on 2nd debate"

I hope this is true and not just internet BS.

[GrantDawg]

A Harris campaign official says it will no longer fly a banner over the Georgia-Alabama reading, “Trump’s Punting on 2nd Debate” because of weather concerns. #gapol https://t.co/03fx8Y3zHB

— Greg Bluestein (@bluestein) September 28, 2024

[JPhillips]

Keep hearing the line from the ICE guy about 13000 convicted murderers in the US. How many of them are in jail? I'd expect almost all of them given that they are convicted.

[dubb93]

Senate GOP already saying if they take the Senate and Harris takes the White House they won’t allow a vote on any Harris nominees to the Supreme Court.

[dubb93]

While I don’t agree with it, it’s a good argument if you take both you should stack the court with as many justices as you can confirm in four years.

All rise for our 13,000 members of the Supreme Court.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Keep hearing the line from the ICE guy about 13000 convicted murderers in the US. How many of them are in jail? I'd expect almost all of them given that they are convicted.

https://t.co/vIkg6FkrcF pic.twitter.com/gq0Vdxlm3I

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) September 29, 2024

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Keep hearing the line from the ICE guy about 13000 convicted murderers in the US. How many of them are in jail? I'd expect almost all of them given that they are convicted.

It’s being pretty heavily reported that none of them are detained, but that’s not true. I’m certain these staggering numbers will be investigated and either corrected or some national action to find and remove these criminals will take place. Hopefully we have actually detained them all but it’s truly not clear where these people are.

The report you reference is broken into two categories. Detained and non-detained (Assuming this means by ICE which has limited detainment infrastructure considering the incredible surge since 2021). The non-detained is what the numbers below are focused on.

Charges and numbers include…

Assault - 105,100
Burglary - 17,500
Dangerous Drugs - 70,400
Family offenses - 10,200
Forgery - 12,100
Fraud - 21,100
Homicide - 15,000
Illegal immigration - 92,000
Kidnapping - 3,300
Larceny - 30,500
Robbery - 12,000
Sex offenders - 12,100
Sexual assault - 21,000
Weapons offenses - 16,700

That’s a lot. I think we can both agree we need to ensure the non-detained numbers needs to be around zero. And perhaps the cooperation of state and local authorities can assist in that.

[JPhillips]

As Grant posted above, non-detained doesn't mean not in jail, it just means not under the supervision of DHS. I expect almost all of the murderers are in jail. We don't convict people of murder and then release them.

[stevew]

I feel like the disaster response is going to be a pretty defining moment of the campaign. If they screw this up, it’s gonna be all kinds of material, if they’re competent they probably don’t lose points. I’m sure they’ll be a bunch of stuff about the government giving money to people they shouldn’t, it’s just a treasure trove. Meanwhile large chunks of the Appalachian region will be barely hanging on.

[Edward64]

AZ better not be a close one ...

Just a moment...

The Arizona Supreme Court decided on Friday to allow nearly 100,000 people who registered to vote over the last 20 years to keep the right to vote a full ballot after a lawsuit stemming from a glitch raised concerns.

Why it matters: Officials say most of the swing state voters whose rights were in question are likely U.S. citizens but failed to meet the state's proof-of-citizenship requirement enacted by a law passed in 2004.
:
Arizona voters without proof of citizenship are only allowed to vote in federal races, Maricopa County Recorder Stephen Richer, whose office launched the suit on Tuesday, says on X.

I'm not sure I understand why the AZ elections just don't ask the 100k for proof? They know who the 100k are and have a month. Using 80-20, they should be able to reach out to 80% of them "please provide proof or you can't vote". For the remaining 20%, spend the money & resources to help them and confirm or not. Why give election doubters another excuse.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by stevew

I feel like the disaster response is going to be a pretty defining moment of the campaign. If they screw this up, it’s gonna be all kinds of material, if they’re competent they probably don’t lose points. I’m sure they’ll be a bunch of stuff about the government giving money to people they shouldn’t, it’s just a treasure trove. Meanwhile large chunks of the Appalachian region will be barely hanging on.

First day in America?

I think we all know Harris could literally be on the ground filling sandbags and right wing media would say they aren't doing enough.

[Lathum]

Listening to some clips from Trumps speechs from this past weekend.

Holy shit. It is beyond unhinged. I don't understand how anyone can vote for him.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Listening to some clips from Trumps speechs from this past weekend.

Holy shit. It is beyond unhinged. I don't understand how anyone can vote for him.

You got a problem with the purge? Sounds like you should be one of the people the cops get to beat up.

[JPhillips]

You can really see the Russian propaganda at work with the flooding. There are so many accounts saying we should stop funding Ukraine and put the money in Asheville. It's funny because I think complaining about immigrants or welfare is a better strategy for the GOP, but hardly anyone mentions anything other than Ukraine.

It also makes you wonder how many of the high-profile right is also getting paid by the Russians. They are all speaking in one voice now about Ukraine and Asheville.

[albionmoonlight]

I know that no story has sticking power these days. But the "a bunch of right-wing media guys were being paid by Russia" story probably should have penetrated the public consciousness a bit more than it did.

Every other story can be seen through that lens.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

I know that no story has sticking power these days. But the "a bunch of right-wing media guys were being paid by Russia" story probably should have penetrated the public consciousness a bit more than it did.

Every other story can be seen through that lens.

The people that the message needs to get through to really don't care. They are being told what they want to hear. They couldn't care less about the source.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

You got a problem with the purge? Sounds like you should be one of the people the cops get to beat up.

I remember a time when saying your opponent was born mentally disabled would be a bridge too far.

[cartman]

Not to mention admitting to stiffing workers on overtime pay

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by cartman

Not to mention admitting to stiffing workers on overtime pay

I was just coming to mention that. How on earth can anyone in organized labor support him given his history.

[Lathum]

- YouTube

[albionmoonlight]

Trump in Pennsylvania blames Biden for his small crowd yesterday in Wisconsin pic.twitter.com/HK0At4iZPy

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) September 29, 2024

Trump's rallies are a nothing issue. But ever since Harris made fun of them in passing, that's all he can think about.

No wonder his people won't let him debate again. We are still seeing the ripple effects from the first one.

[Atocep]

She really hit his ego. The clip of him telling his supporters at a rally that people leaving early aren't really leaving, they're going to the back for photo ops is crazy.

[JPhillips]

Absolutely bonkers that Trump called for a day where police can be as violent as they please and nobody in the national media seems to be covering it as a big story.

[Vegas Vic]

In Valdosta, GA yesterday, Trump said "Nobody thought this would be happening, especially now it's so late in the season for hurricanes." It's actually peak hurricane season. Apparently, he gets his meteorological information from Marjorie Taylor Greene instead of NOAA, which he probably intends to disband.

[Lathum]

This "Trump donated 25 million to hurricane victims" is just another perfect example of how the MAGA presence on Twitter take a completely unverified claim and turns it to absolute truth. Then when it is inevitably debunked they yell fake news.

It is maddening how easily manipulated a large portion of the US electorate can be.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

In Valdosta, GA yesterday, Trump said "Nobody thought this would be happening, especially now it's so late in the season for hurricanes." It's actually peak hurricane season. Apparently, he gets his meteorological information from Marjorie Taylor Greene instead of NOAA, which he probably intends to disband.

He who has the sharpie last is always correct.

[Lathum]

I don't discuss politics with my mother in law who is very MAGA, but I really want to text her and tell her my daughters principle just called and said my daughter called another girl stupid and said she was mentally disabled since birth. Wonder what her reaction would be. Then send her the clip of Trump saying that about Harris and Walz

[JPhillips]

Is there anything more ridiculous than the VP debate? These people literally have no role to play unless the President dies or resigns. A debate between HHS Secretary candidates would be more useful.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Is there anything more ridiculous than the VP debate? These people literally have no role to play unless the President dies or resigns. A debate between HHS Secretary candidates would be more useful.

When Bentsen struck the death blow against Quayle in their debate, it didn't move the needle one bit.

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Is there anything more ridiculous than the VP debate? These people literally have no role to play unless the President dies or resigns.

A minimal role. Cast the tie-breaking vote in the Senate if needed. And oh yeah, attend funerals and ribbon-cutting ceremonies.

[GrantDawg]

And become President if anything happens to the President, which is not very important especially considering both candidates are young and healthy and one is not going to be over 80 while in office and one cheeseburger away from a massive coronary. Not an important job at all.

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[thesloppy]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

And become President if anything happens to the President, which is not very important especially considering both candidates are young and healthy and one is not going to be over 80 while in office and one cheeseburger away from a massive coronary.

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...also not target of three (?) credible assassination threats in about that many months. And all of that's ignoring how Kamala Harris got in this race in the first place.

[GrantDawg]

Yeah, I just don't know why we care who these guys are at all. Just nominate a ham sandwich. It is just not important we know anything about who is a heartbeat beat away from the Oval.

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[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

And become President if anything happens to the President, which is not very important especially considering both candidates are young and healthy and one is not going to be over 80 while in office and one cheeseburger away from a massive coronary. Not an important job at all.

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But we're not really getting what Vance would do as President, we're getting what Vance wants to say to make it more likely people will vote for Trump. Tonight won't give us much insight on what a theoretical President Vance will do.

[GrantDawg]

I think it shows Vance's character quite well.

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[Atocep]

Debates have always been somewhat unproductive but I do agree a VP debate is rather pointless. They were more important before the 24 hour news cycle when VP candidates weren't well known by voters.

So far this debate has been rather pointless and lackluster. Vance has largely tried to tell the audience what they want to hear regardless of what Trump's stance is and what his stance has been historically.

[Atocep]

Make doors lock better, make stronger windows. That will fix gun violence in schools.

[Lathum]

I am watching now. It is clear Vances strategy is to appear normal and congenial. He also keeps referring to the "Harris" administration. Hopefully people aren't that stupid.

[Atocep]

I thought Vance was pretty strong tonight and had a slight edge overall but the fact that he refused to say Trump lost the election probably undid everything before that.

[Atocep]

Tim Walz is the type of politician the right wanted for ages. A gun owner, hunter, football coach, farm supporting everyman. Now that the party is all about finding a minority group to punish because they're not happy with their lives it no longer represents the base of the party.

Now they have JD Vance, who would tell anyone anything they want to hear for just a little bit more power.

[Edward64]

Solid debate.

I like Vance challenging the fact checking. Agree Vance’s weakest was Jan 6 response. Walz’s was China experience. It was relatively civil, good to see a ‘normal’ debate.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/02/polit...ate/index.html

Following the debate, 51% of viewers said that Vance did the better job, with 49% picking Walz. In a survey conducted of the same voters prior to the debate, Walz held the advantage as the candidate they expected to perform more strongly, 54% to 45%.

Following the debate, 59% of debate watchers said they had a favorable view of Walz, with just 22% viewing him unfavorably – an improvement from his already positive numbers among the same voters pre-debate (46% favorable, 32% unfavorable). Debate watchers came away from the debate with roughly neutral views of Vance: 41% rated him favorably and 44% unfavorably. That’s also an improvement from their image of Vance pre-debate, when his ratings among this group were deeply underwater (30% favorable, 52% unfavorable).

[albionmoonlight]

Didn't watch.

The social media reviews seem to be that it was like an A- for Vance and a B+ for Walz, and nothing changed about the race.

Weirdly, I wonder if the fact that this was a "normal" debate hurts Trump just because it reminds people of just how much he, personally, is the reason nothing has been normal since 2016.

[Swaggs]

The fact that GOPers still make hay out of the media being unfair to them, despite that just no longer being true over the past 15-20 years is pretty astounding to me.

Prime example is people holding Walz’ fee to the fire for saying he was in China/Hong Kong, 35-years ago, at the time of Tianeman Square when he w there multiple times that year.

Meanwhile, Vance lies in real time by saying he never said he was for a national abortion ban, called Trump “America’s Hitler,” or that Hillary and Trump are somehow equivalent when it comes to peaceful transition of power (Hilllary called Trump to concede and conceded in public to her followers and literally went to Trump’s inauguration) and folks like Edward are noting Walz on China being a big takeaway from the event. If Walz’ China lie is more important than those sets of “lies” from Vance to a lot of people, then I guess I have a much better understanding of how things are so close to 50-50.

[HerRealName]

I quit watching when it became clear Walz was just playing it safe. That might be a good strategy but Vance has made so many weird comments Walz could have been much more aggressive. I'm guessing they just want to focus on Trump though since that is 99% of the Dem strategy anyway.