The Trump Presidency 2.0

[JPhillips]

Brian Kilmeade said that the homeless should be killed.

Meanwhile Hegseth is hunting the military for anyone who has said anything bad about Kirk.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Fox news contributer is now reporting that the shooters roommate was his trans girlfriend. No other confirmation.

They're literally basing this off of a single TikTok video where the person used a filter to make them into a female anime character. Not kidding. Really reaching here.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

They're literally basing this off of a single TikTok video where the person used a filter to make them into a female anime character. Not kidding. Really reaching here.

We know the police talked to the roommate. I think if the person was trans it would have been immediately leaked.

[Ghost Econ]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

They're literally basing this off of a single TikTok video where the person used a filter to make them into a female anime character. Not kidding. Really reaching here.

No, Im pretty sure he was fucking his trans girlfriend in the ass when he took a shot. You can tell because they were drawing a pentagram in unicorn colors.

[Atocep]

Desperately trying to find that trans angle they initially went with.

[RainMaker]

The Grandma might know his politics. It's a tight Mormon family by all accounts. The fact that the father called their pastor first upon the news and had him talk to his son is telling in that regard.

I'm starting to lean toward this not being overtly political. Just a nihilist who probably got too deep into internet culture and wanted to do something big. Most 22-year olds are not deep into politics. And those that are would likely have made it known that that was the reason. The groyper memes are there but some of that stuff is just embedded into young culture now anyway.

And if he was some ardent leftist, the FBI would be plastering that shit all over the news. The fact they've had to throw out so many easily disprovable claims shows they don't have anything on that end either.

So I'm going with nihilistic 22-year old deep in internet lore who was raised as a gun fanatic. Decided he would do something either to make a name or for the rush. Not terribly uncommon with shooters, the one that happened in Colorado later in the day has a similar background.

[RainMaker]

Actually the Butler shooter might be a better example. After all the digging, it turns out there wasn't really much of a motive. Just a young loser who was into guns and wanted to do something big. Sometimes these things don't have deep meanings behind it, it's just some nut deciding to cause chaos.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

The Grandma might know his politics. It's a tight Mormon family by all accounts. The fact that the father called their pastor first upon the news and had him talk to his son is telling in that regard.

I'm starting to lean toward this not being overtly political. Just a nihilist who probably got too deep into internet culture and wanted to do something big. Most 22-year olds are not deep into politics. And those that are would likely have made it known that that was the reason. The groyper memes are there but some of that stuff is just embedded into young culture now anyway.

And if he was some ardent leftist, the FBI would be plastering that shit all over the news. The fact they've had to throw out so many easily disprovable claims shows they don't have anything on that end either.

So I'm going with nihilistic 22-year old deep in internet lore who was raised as a gun fanatic. Decided he would do something either to make a name or for the rush. Not terribly uncommon with shooters, the one that happened in Colorado later in the day has a similar background.

That's the impression I'm getting. He's a kid from a religious family that grew up heavily embedded in internet culture and likely floated between different groups on the left and right at different times. Given the fact that it's Utah and a Mormon family, probably a bit more on the right, but not all that unusual. A kid trying to find a place where he fit.

[JPhillips]

Looks like Trump is the source for the trans girlfriend story.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Actually the Butler shooter might be a better example. After all the digging, it turns out there wasn't really much of a motive. Just a young loser who was into guns and wanted to do something big. Sometimes these things don't have deep meanings behind it, it's just some nut deciding to cause chaos.

And opportunity matters. The Butler shooter mentioned shooting Biden, but Biden wasn't there and Trump was.

[Ghost Econ]

So let's assume the trolls are right and he had a trans partner.

The person allegedly notified the FBI of the suspect, turned over all the evidence, and fully cooperated.

If anything, the trans individual is a hero and should be praised for coming forward despite the immense hate they're going to get.

[GrantDawg]

Axios has report with 6 sources saying the roommate was trans, and it was Kirk"s anti-trans views is the suspected motive.

[Edward64]

I can’t imagine what the father/family went through when the son confessed to him and he encouraged son the turn himself in. It was obviously the right thing to do but it must have been tough.

[Mota]

Imagine after all the threats that have been done in the past few days, it's really hard for them to admit that the bullet came from within.

[Ghost Econ]

Nazis are generally known for mourning people with moderate viewpoints.

Blocked

[GrantDawg]

Governor of Utah today confirmed that the roommate was the shooter's trans partner. Everyone is going to handle that information completely normally am sure. I think that kills the Groyper angle completely, but who knows.

[cuervo72]

Hmm. He can say that, but at this point I don't know that I actually believe it vs Cox just being instructed to get on the same page as the administration.

[PilotMan]

A large chunk of the available information points to a meme-boy gamer, young adult, right winger. A surface reading of the messages left without context leaves it up to interpretation by the powers that be which are what we're hearing from them at the moment.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

A large chunk of the available information points to a meme-boy gamer, young adult, right winger. A surface reading of the messages left without context leaves it up to interpretation by the powers that be which are what we're hearing from them at the moment.

Just as large a chunk says he was left leaning queer who was dating a person transitioning into a female. I think people are falling into selective information points that caters to their own views. Personally, I don't think the hard evidence shows either way. The pictures and videos out of Twigg (the roommate) does suggest at least a gay male. I have no idea if the Venmo that people have dug up of people helping donate money for "medication" was for the purpose of transitioning or not, or even that was actually this person. The numerous police sources could be lying, or they know the facts because very report says this person is fully cooperating and they would have told them their relationship to the shooter. The shooter wouldn't be the first person raised in a strict conservative Christian home that was gay and broke with their families politics. Nor the only gay male that is a gamer and chronically online.
I put nothing passed this administration, but the roommate is eventually going to talk to someone. The truth will come out eventually.

[JPhillips]

I do think it's bad form to dribble out insinuations without providing any substance to support them. If they want to wait until court, that's fine, but saying he's left and then refusing to supply any evidence is making things worse.

[SirFozzie]

They don't need evidence. They have certainty (in their own twisted minds).

The problem is that one side of america still has shame when someone ostensibly on their side does something, while the other side has learned that never defend, always attack means you overwhelm the "enemy".

[RainMaker]

So far the only evidence we have is a Fox News digital reporter making the claim off a single TikTok video where the person uses a filter to turn them into an anime character. A reporter that was literally caught making up a story a couple weeks ago. That and the word of anonymous law enforcement sources that have repeatedly lied and spread misinformation from the start. There's no photos of this person, no photos of them together, no evidence they really even were close. I don't think there has been a single person in their lives who has gone on the record and said they were in a relationship.

And maybe his roommate was trans. I don't know how that would be all that relevant or turn him into a deadly assassin. Most people under 40 do not give a shit about that stuff. It's only scary for closeted boomers and people needing scapegoats for their failed policies. There is nothing even showing he was political despite being heavily online. Just that he liked memes and video games like most 22 year olds.

It's one of the dumbest and most grotesque things I've seen. Started with the shooter being trans, then he was just an activist who sent messages on bullets, then it was him having a trans girlfriend that he wanted to avenge. I think we also blamed his one semester at Utah Stateand the fact he played Helldivers 2. Anything but the one constant in all these fucking shootings.

And I should add there isn't really any public evidence so far of him being the shooter. We've heard a story about his Dad turning him in which turned into a pastor turning him in. I don't think we've heard a public statement from either. Despite the campus being covered in cameras, there isn't a single image of him with this rifle. Like I'm guessing he probably did it if they're going through all this trouble, but it's worth noting this is the 3rd suspect they've had in custody and the only reason they caught this guy was that his Dad might have been a decent person. It's been keystone cops from the start with tons of misinformation being sent out. I'd wait till shit hits the courts where it actually matters.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

So far the only evidence we have is a Fox News digital reporter making the claim off a single TikTok video where the person uses a filter to turn them into an anime character. A reporter that was literally caught making up a story a couple weeks ago. That and the word of anonymous law enforcement sources that have repeatedly lied and spread misinformation from the start. There's no photos of this person, no photos of them together, no evidence they really even were close. I don't think there has been a single person in their lives who has gone on the record and said they were in a relationship.

And maybe his roommate was trans. I don't know how that would be all that relevant or turn him into a deadly assassin. Most people under 40 do not give a shit about that stuff. It's only scary for closeted boomers and people needing scapegoats for their failed policies. There is nothing even showing he was political despite being heavily online. Just that he liked memes and video games like most 22 year olds.

It's one of the dumbest and most grotesque things I've seen. Started with the shooter being trans, then he was just an activist who sent messages on bullets, then it was him having a trans girlfriend that he wanted to avenge. I think we also blamed his one semester at Utah Stateand the fact he played Helldivers 2. Anything but the one constant in all these fucking shootings.

And I should add there isn't really any public evidence so far of him being the shooter. We've heard a story about his Dad turning him in which turned into a pastor turning him in. I don't think we've heard a public statement from either. Despite the campus being covered in cameras, there isn't a single image of him with this rifle. Like I'm guessing he probably did it if they're going through all this trouble, but it's worth noting this is the 3rd suspect they've had in custody and the only reason they caught this guy was that his Dad might have been a decent person. It's been keystone cops from the start with tons of misinformation being sent out. I'd wait till shit hits the courts where it actually matters.

It's not. Axios has six different sources, including police, family and neighbors. The governor was not quoting the Fox reporter. His source was the police who have interviewed the roommate extensively. Maybe it is all fake, but it isn't just one reporter or from one video.
As for proof, we will hwve more when we get charging document Tuesday. But they have the pictures and videos at the scene, his car leaving the scene, the gun, his father, the roommate with texts, discord messages and a hand written letter.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

It's not. Axios has six different sources, including police, family and neighbors. The governor was not quoting the Fox reporter. His source was the police who have interviewed the roommate extensively. Maybe it is all fake, but it isn't just one reporter or from one video.
As for proof, we will hwve more when we get charging document Tuesday. But they have the pictures and videos at the scene, his car leaving the scene, the gun, his father, the roommate with texts, discord messages and a hand written letter.

I'm with you.

Lots of evidence he did it. The real question is why - Groyper or Extremist Lib or etc.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

It's not. Axios has six different sources, including police, family and neighbors. The governor was not quoting the Fox reporter. His source was the police who have interviewed the roommate extensively. Maybe it is all fake, but it isn't just one reporter or from one video.
As for proof, we will hwve more when we get charging document Tuesday. But they have the pictures and videos at the scene, his car leaving the scene, the gun, his father, the roommate with texts, discord messages and a hand written letter.

I have no doubt that these reporters are getting information from sources. I'm just pointing out that these sources have repeatedly lied since it happened. Two major media outlets have already had to retract their stories. The charging documents will have actual information.

As for the Axios story, you're wrong. This is the quote:

Each of the six sources familiar with the investigation told Axios that investigators believe Robinson had a romantic relationship with his roommate.

Those sources are just saying what the have heard about what investigators believe. It's a second hand source, not people directly confirming it.

All I'm saying is wait till the court stuff comes out. That is stuff that will actually have evidence used in a trial. Not all the performative stuff we're seeing from politicians who really need to make this about anything but guns and failures of law enforcement.

[RainMaker]

New bill would allow the State Department to revoke the passports of American citizens over their political opinions. Feels like a blatant 1A violation.

New Bill Would Give Marco Rubio Power to Revoke U.S. Passports

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

I have no doubt that these reporters are getting information from sources. I'm just pointing out that these sources have repeatedly lied since it happened. Two major media outlets have already had to retract their stories. The charging documents will have actual information.

As for the Axios story, you're wrong. This is the quote:


Those sources are just saying what the have heard about what investigators believe. It's a second hand source, not people directly confirming it.

All I'm saying is wait till the court stuff comes out. That is stuff that will actually have evidence used in a trial. Not all the performative stuff we're seeing from politicians who really need to make this about anything but guns and failures of law enforcement.

Heck, that is all I have been saying. I am not totally convinced either way. I'm just saying there is way more out there than just the single anime video, which is what you claimed.

[Mota]

Anything being said by Trump about "leftists fermenting violence" has to refer back to J6. If storming the capital and killing several officers makes you a hero... it goes both ways. At least the elected D officials are denouncing this and not proclaiming it as a heroic action like Trump did.

[PilotMan]

I think it goes back even further to Obama. Trump was a lightning rod for his entire presidency, and the threats, and the vitriol that were spewed during his tenure seemed to be far from anything that I remember from previous presidents. I hated Clinton but I don't remember people calling for him to be hung, shot etc. Regan aside, that wasn't even political.

[JPhillips]

The turning point was 1994 and the Gingrich revolution. Congressmen were literally in their yards shooting watermelons to prove that Clinton was a drug dealing murderer. There are always crazy randos, but that 994 election made it okay to be a crazy elected official.

[Atocep]

Obama was the big turning point for conservatives I know. All of them still see him as the most divisive president in US history. MAGA was largely made possible by his presidency. The torch was lit, so to speak, someone just had to pick it up and run with it. Trump jumped at the opportunity.

[Lathum]

I for one, am shocked by this reporting

https://www.newsweek.com/kash-patel-...e-kirk-2130013

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I for one, am shocked by this reporting

https://www.newsweek.com/kash-patel-...e-kirk-2130013

From The Bulwark:

Kash Patel’s lonely one-man crusade to convince everybody he actually did a great job hunting down Charlie Kirk’s killer continues. “I made the decision to surge so many resources,” he told Fox & Friends this morning. “I had to expedite the process . . . I made the tough calls . . . I came in and I accelerated that process.” All told, during Patel’s 15 minute interview, we counted ten mentions of the word “my,” a whopping 43 mentions of the word “I,” and 13 mentions of the word “I’m.” On, and four mentions of the word “me.”

[Ghost Econ]

Conservatives are upset that 4 NFL teams didn't have a moment of silence.

So politics in sports is good now, right?

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Ghost Econ

Conservatives are upset that 4 NFL teams didn't have a moment of silence.

So politics in sports is good now, right?

Didn't they stop watching the NFL?

[JPhillips]

Vance and Bannon and Miller are all just begging for their supporters to go out and do some real damage.

[RainMaker]

lol so Patel is on TV saying there was a note but it got "destroyed" but they'll run forensics and tell us what it really said.

[Arles]

When you look at the Kirk assassination and the Minnesota legislators, this really isn't good. What worries me is politics and especially social media is turning our country into two sides with no empathy for each other. We have lost a lot of our humanity in thinking the other side is so dangerous that any act is justified. It's real a sad situation for us.

I will also say that the bravado and rhetoric from Trump has not helped this situation and actually made it worse. But, going forward, I just feel there is a small but vocal subset of each party thrilled when the other side gets attacked.

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

lol so Patel is on TV saying there was a note but it got "destroyed" but they'll run forensics and tell us what it really said.

I read this and sort of thought something similar to etchings on a notepad and they have the indentations on page below the original, which they assumed was destroyed.

Could totally see Kash spilling his Black Rifle Coffee on it though.

[JPhillips]

GOPers just voted to confirm a Fed nominee who is going to keep his job in the White House.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

lol so Patel is on TV saying there was a note but it got "destroyed" but they'll run forensics and tell us what it really said.

“We’ve recreated it using AI.”

[PilotMan]

And it says exactly what we thought it did.

[Ksyrup]

The circle of life...


Charlie Kirk about 18 months before he was killed:

"Hate speech does not exist legally in America. There's ugly speech. There's gross speech. There's evil speech," Kirk wrote. "And ALL of it is protected by the First Amendment. Keep America free."

Pan Bondi after Charlie Kirk's killing:

There's free speech and then there's hate speech, and there is no place, especially now, especially after what happened to Charlie, in our society...We will absolutely target you, go after you, if you are targeting anyone with hate speech.

[JPhillips]

I saw a story today where one of the things mentioned as proving the killer was politically motivated was witnesses saying he would walk away from political conversations.

[Ghost Econ]

I for one am morning the 300 million people killed by Fentanyl last year more than Charlie Kirk.

It feels like this should be a much larger story that only 45 million people currently live in the US.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

GOPers just voted to confirm a Fed nominee who is going to keep his job in the White House.

He's also anti-fed and wants to see it abolished. His job is to try to destroy it from within.

[Lathum]

right wing terrorists commit murder at a clip of more than 5 time than left wing, despite what Miller, Vance, et al will tell you.

https://www.cato.org/blog/politicall...-united-states

[Ksyrup]

I believe Elon is trying to lobotomize grok to ensure these types of "facts" get eliminated.

[Lathum]

Ok Onion, that's really funny pic.twitter.com/xiaIuRXlyr

— rohit (@krishnanrohit) September 15, 2025

[Ghost Econ]

Kash Patel said, in front of Congress, that there is no evidence Jeffrey Epstein trafficked young women to anyone but himself.