WW LXXXIII Marvel Universe - Game Over! Rebel victory! - Page 92

Mr.Fantastic · 10-20-2008, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarlet Witch

Are you asking why the Shadow King would want to protect the Vision? I don't think he did try to protect him. Or are you asking why I want to protect him? All I did was let you know he was telling the truth. I said it was far-fetched, but I think it's been about as proven as it can be. The fact that you refuse to believe me leads me to think you have something you want to get out of this.

Getting the truth out of it would be a nice start, since I highly doubt we have heard much of that so far with this story.

Magneto · 10-20-2008, 01:06 PM

I'm still not altogether sure why we are taking Cable's word for it that we can't lynch him today.

Mr.Fantastic · 10-20-2008, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Magneto

I'm still not altogether sure why we are taking Cable's word for it that we can't lynch him today.

perhaps it is worth a shot to try. Can have some people vote for cable and others for Vision, that way if Cable isn't available to be lynched, we still have a fallback and not leave room for someone like Scarlet Witch to try to manipulate the vote.

Scarlet Witch · 10-20-2008, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fantastic

Why haven't you tried to posess multiple people at once prior to now? You could have taken over the game by now if you had posessed a new person every day. Why don't you have like 8 or 9 people posessed all working for you now?

You cannot imagine the strain it would take to possess more than two people at once - even that is very difficult, and my energy is not infinite. I had no reason to possess multiple people before, as it would have drained me.

I tried today in order to continue being able to converse with the Witch.

Scarlet Witch · 10-20-2008, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Fantastic

I don't know who you are asking this question of. Is it me? if so, who is he? Vision?

Yes, I was asking you. And 'he' was Vision -- the other Prelate besides you and Magneto. Anyway, I still don't get why one of the Prelates *has* to die. Why don't we keep having Prelates order people to guard them, and hope for the best?

Mr.Fantastic · 10-20-2008, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarlet Witch

Yes, I was asking you. And 'he' was Vision -- the other Prelate besides you and Magneto. Anyway, I still don't get why one of the Prelates *has* to die. Why don't we keep having Prelates order people to guard them, and hope for the best?

That is how I have felt up until today and I actually was the main one saying that every day it did not make sense to go after a prelate until we found proof against them.

Today we have proof against Vision that rooted you out of the closet with your crazy act. The catch is, once Vision is dead, that creates a bigger concern about keeping me safe in case Magneto is bad. I actually feel much better about Magneto now then I did yesterday if all things matter much. Vision on the other hand for some reason you don't want him to die and I am curious to why.

Scarlet Witch · 10-20-2008, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Fantastic

I actually feel much better about Magneto now then I did yesterday if all things matter much.

That does matter to me, actually. You might have said why earlier today, but I missed it. Can you run it by me again?

Scarlet Witch · 10-20-2008, 01:13 PM

And again, I don't think I ever said I don't want the Vision to die. I just said that he wasn't lying.

Mr.Fantastic · 10-20-2008, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarlet Witch

That does matter to me, actually. You might have said why earlier today, but I missed it. Can you run it by me again?

I don't have any reason to feel worse about him then yesterday, and in fact the way he has handled himself in regards to Spiderman wanting a guard, and regarding Punisher pushing for the oust of Magneto makes me feel that a rebel in an end game play wouldn't play it that way. Maybe I am wrong, but I just like the way he has played it today so far.

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Originally Posted by Scarlet Witch

And again, I don't think I ever said I don't want the Vision to die. I just said that he wasn't lying.

You never did explain the reason why you felt the need to out yourself once Vision started getting heat. What was the motivation for the shadow king?

Punisher · 10-20-2008, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fantastic

I don't have any reason to feel worse about him then yesterday, and in fact the way he has handled himself in regards to Spiderman wanting a guard, and regarding Punisher pushing for the oust of Magneto makes me feel that a rebel in an end game play wouldn't play it that way. Maybe I am wrong, but I just like the way he has played it today so far.

Agreed. I thought Mags would try to go out kicking and screaming.

Scarlet Witch · 10-20-2008, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Fantastic

You never did explain the reason why you felt the need to out yourself once Vision started getting heat. What was the motivation for the shadow king?

I thought that was obvious -- since he was taking heat for lying when I knew he wasn't, I figured I should set things straight. As for the Shadow King's motivation, I didn't really ask him if it was okay.

Mr.Fantastic · 10-20-2008, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarlet Witch

I thought that was obvious -- since he was taking heat for lying when I knew he wasn't, I figured I should set things straight. As for the Shadow King's motivation, I didn't really ask him if it was okay.

Ahh, then thanks for setting everything straight. It is all perfectly clear in my mind now

Scarlet Witch · 10-20-2008, 01:22 PM

I'll agree on that point -- I did see a post by Magneto that seemed to take his potential ousting with some dignity. I'll definitely grant him that.

Punisher · 10-20-2008, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fantastic

This is like a WW version of Donnie Darko. Which one of you two is the giant white rabbit?

[ooc]more like a blade/bek feel to me[/ooc]

Scarlet Witch · 10-20-2008, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Fantastic

Ahh, then thanks for setting everything straight. It is all perfectly clear in my mind now

It seems like you're saying this sarcastically (and i LOLed), but the rest of your posts seem like you really DO have it clear in your mind -- that I'm just completely full of it. I don't think you've made ANY attempt to believe my story, only to discredit it.

Scarlet Witch · 10-20-2008, 01:26 PM

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[ooc]more like a blade/bek feel to me[/ooc]

(ooc) If anything, it's the opposite of that. "No...I really am two people....really!" (/ooc)

Scarlet Witch · 10-20-2008, 01:30 PM

(ooc) Wait...maybe that IS exactly like blade/bek. Great. Just great. (/ooc)

Scarlet Witch · 10-20-2008, 01:33 PM

[ooc] Let's just stick with Donnie Darko, that's one of my favorite movies. [/ooc]

Mr.Fantastic · 10-20-2008, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarlet Witch

It seems like you're saying this sarcastically (and i LOLed), but the rest of your posts seem like you really DO have it clear in your mind -- that I'm just completely full of it. I don't think you've made ANY attempt to believe my story, only to discredit it.

Perhaps you will have to excuse the skeptic in me here, but I just feel your story is really farfetched.. It doesn't match up with other info we have and it just is hard for me to believe. I would respond to some of your other claims that I find to be pretty bogus (like when you said posessing Vision was submitted for a day action today even though he posted before the night writeup was even done about it), but maybe you are right.. maybe I have made a decision in my mind and it is going to be hard to convince me otherwise now.

Your play in regards to Vision has been predictable and my curiosity now is leading me to wonder why. My report this morning forced your hand to do your reveal, even though your reveal doesn't seem to make much sense at that time. if what you say is the truth, you would have revealed it over the weekend and not wait to reveal it in order to save Vision (whom you say you don't want to save). Then you come up with one reason why Vision shouldn't be lynched, so we find a solution around that and now you come up with another reason why vision shouldn't be lynched even though the entire time you say you don't care if he dies.

Maybe I do get too hard headed when I feel my mind is made up, but so far I just don't buy what is being sold to me here.

hoopsguy · 10-20-2008, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fantastic

So if you all wanted to remove Magneto as a prelate, that means the current three prelates don't take part in that vote. So that leaves 5 people..

Hoopsguy to oust a prelate today, does that mean only 3 of the non-prelates have to vote to oust a prelate? since 3 -2 would be majority vote?

This is correct - the Madri vote is restricted to the non-prelates. And there aren't all that many of them left at this point in the game.

Scarlet Witch · 10-20-2008, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Fantastic

Your play in regards to Vision has been predictable and my curiosity now is leading me to wonder why. My report this morning forced your hand to do your reveal, even though your reveal doesn't seem to make much sense at that time. if what you say is the truth, you would have revealed it over the weekend and not wait to reveal it in order to save Vision (whom you say you don't want to save). Then you come up with one reason why Vision shouldn't be lynched, so we find a solution around that and now you come up with another reason why vision shouldn't be lynched even though the entire time you say you don't care if he dies.

That's not what I did at that point at all. I said something to the effect of, "Fine, kill the Vision. Just don't oust Magneto at the same time."

hoopsguy · 10-20-2008, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Magneto

Does my removal as a prelate also remove me from the game?

Still around, just can't issue orders.

Mr.Fantastic · 10-20-2008, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Magneto

I'm still not altogether sure why we are taking Cable's word for it that we can't lynch him today.

I think I have a way for us to cover our butt and still try to take out Cable.

I -think- I have the ability to take out Vision single handedly as long as he doesn't do any kind of special defense. If he does a defense, I might need a little help.

so several people can attack Cable in the chance he is just bluffing, and only I (and perhaps 1-2 people) can put an attack on Vision. Worst case, Cable isn't able to be lynched today and we still get Vision. Best case, we get both of them.

If Vision does a defense move though, it could be an issue.

Mr.Fantastic · 10-20-2008, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarlet Witch

That's not what I did at that point at all. I said something to the effect of, "Fine, kill the Vision. Just don't oust Magneto at the same time."

So what does that accomplish other than the possibility of Magneto or Spiderman dying at night instead?

hoopsguy · 10-20-2008, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Spider-Man

Hoops - if Magneto orders someone to protect me and is then ousted as prelate, will the guard order stick?

Yes. He will get his final day order.

Punisher · 10-20-2008, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fantastic

I think I have a way for us to cover our butt and still try to take out Cable.

I -think- I have the ability to take out Vision single handedly as long as he doesn't do any kind of special defense. If he does a defense, I might need a little help.

so several people can attack Cable in the chance he is just bluffing, and only I (and perhaps 1-2 people) can put an attack on Vision. Worst case, Cable isn't able to be lynched today and we still get Vision. Best case, we get both of them.

If Vision does a defense move though, it could be an issue.

Works for me.

hoopsguy · 10-20-2008, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Magneto

Hoops -- Is removal as a Prelate immediate or is it an end of the day thing, done at the same time as the lynching?

Same time as lynching.

Magneto · 10-20-2008, 01:58 PM

I've given my order to protect Spider-Man today. Clearing Spider-Man, and his seer-power, seems ery important to me. So I will put my vote on Cable and we'll see what's what.

STANDARD ATTACK ON CABLE

Scarlet Witch · 10-20-2008, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Fantastic

So what does that accomplish other than the possibility of Magneto or Spiderman dying at night instead?

The possibility of Magneto NOT dying. Your plan had you as the lone Prelate, which I would rather not see. I'd like to see Spider-Man live, but if we're going to kill the Vision, we'd better make damn sure we're keeping Magneto alive, because I'm going to fight like hell against any plan that leaves us with just one Prelate, no matter who it is.

What about having the Vision order someone to guard Spider-Man? If the Vision, unguarded, doesn't get killed, then we go after him. The problem with this is that the rebels will surely leave him alone knowing that that's our plan. Maybe it just buys him one more day, but at least we'll save him a day.

I think at this point, I'm about to give up on this. I've been combatative, mostly because I feel like we're attaking a Prelate based on false evidence, and I'm scared of Prelates going down. But, that alone doesn't win the game for the rebels -- if they have one Prelate, they still have to kill another. Who's guarding each of the Prelates now? I'll go back and look, but with my lag, I may not be succesful, so if you guys know off-hand, that would be great.

Magneto · 10-20-2008, 02:10 PM

I have ordered Punisher, I think, to guard Spider-Man. GhostRider is protecting Mr. F.

Scarlet Witch · 10-20-2008, 02:20 PM

As long as you're sure that Punisher was not given an order yesterday, we should be okay. It will be doubly scary in Scarlet-Witch-land for the next day or so -- it's already been singly scary with the Shadow King around here (ooc by the way, he treats this body really crappily -- switched the time zone, and reads PMs from the mods, then doesn't mark them unread), but the Prelate situation will make it doubly scary. Very nerve-wracking.

Mr.Fantastic · 10-20-2008, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarlet Witch

As long as you're sure that Punisher was not given an order yesterday, we should be okay. It will be doubly scary in Scarlet-Witch-land for the next day or so -- it's already been singly scary with the Shadow King around here (ooc by the way, he treats this body really crappily -- switched the time zone, and reads PMs from the mods, then doesn't mark them unread), but the Prelate situation will make it doubly scary. Very nerve-wracking.

That is the catch, Punisher was given an order yesterday. I listed earlier once or twice, but I believe that Spiderman and Ghostrider were not guards yesterday. That was part of the plan earlier with Magneto being ousted, I would change the order to have Ghost Rider guard Spiderman instead.

Magneto · 10-20-2008, 02:25 PM

You've got to let Ghost Rider go, then, for me to be able to issue the order. I cannot override you.

Scarlet Witch · 10-20-2008, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarlet Witch

As long as you're sure that Punisher was not given an order yesterday, we should be okay. It will be doubly scary in Scarlet-Witch-land for the next day or so -- it's already been singly scary with the Shadow King around here (ooc by the way, he treats this body really crappily -- switched the time zone, and reads PMs from the mods, then doesn't mark them unread), but the Prelate situation will make it doubly scary. Very nerve-wracking.

(ooc) I didn't switch the time zone, how'd that happen? And my bad about the PM. (/ooc)

Mr.Fantastic · 10-20-2008, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Magneto

You've got to let Ghost Rider go, then, for me to be able to issue the order. I cannot override you.

That is what I said I was going to do.. but I won't do it if there is a chance that you remain a prelate and I remain a prelate with no guard. I think that is perhaps the only thing that Scarlet Witch and I will agree upon today as being dangerous.

Mr.Fantastic · 10-20-2008, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fantastic

That is what I said I was going to do.. but I won't do it if there is a chance that you remain a prelate and I remain a prelate with no guard. I think that is perhaps the only thing that Scarlet Witch and I will agree upon today as being dangerous.

Actually the override is a good point though, I can always override your guard of spiderman by putting Ghost rider to guard me if it seems that we could end up in a risky situation (with Magneto being the only prelate left if I am night killed). So no harm in me releasing ghostrider for now. I can always order him back if need be.

Revoke guard order for Ghost Rider

Magneto · 10-20-2008, 02:31 PM

WHat I am advising is that you order Punisher or someone to guard yourself so that I can issue an order to Ghost Rider to guard Spider-Man before I leave in 30 mins.

Magneto · 10-20-2008, 02:31 PM

REVOKE ORDER FOR PUNISHER
ORDER GHOST RIDER TO GUARD SPIDER-MAN

Mr.Fantastic · 10-20-2008, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Magneto

WHat I am advising is that you order Punisher or someone to guard yourself so that I can issue an order to Ghost Rider to guard Spider-Man before I leave in 30 mins.

Easy there, cowboy. No reason to get hostile. I already did remove Ghost Rider.

I don't necessarily trust Punisher though, I might instead order you to guard me tonight. I just realized I could do that as well. SInce you did not guard last night.

Order Magneto to Guard Mr.Fantastic

Scarlet Witch · 10-20-2008, 02:33 PM

I don't see how you could end up with no guard, Mr. F. If he 'takes' GhostRider from you, then you take the Punisher, right? If he doesn't let go of the Punisher, you just take back GhostRider.

Scarlet Witch · 10-20-2008, 02:34 PM

But, Mr. F -- wouldn't that mean that if someone attacks you, then Magneto dies?

Mr.Fantastic · 10-20-2008, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarlet Witch

I don't see how you could end up with no guard, Mr. F. If he 'takes' GhostRider from you, then you take the Punisher, right? If he doesn't let go of the Punisher, you just take back GhostRider.

Punisher guarded last night. He can refuse to guard tonight if he wants. I refuse to let us lose the game because I didn't cover my butt with the guarding tonight.

I think the way I handled it by ordering Magneto to guard is much better.

Mr.Fantastic · 10-20-2008, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarlet Witch

But, Mr. F -- wouldn't that mean that if someone attacks you, then Magneto dies?

Yes it does.

Scarlet Witch · 10-20-2008, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarlet Witch

(ooc) I didn't switch the time zone, how'd that happen? And my bad about the PM. (/ooc)

Great, now I'm Schmidty. Anyway, it wasn't a problem, I was just giving you crap!

Mr.Fantastic · 10-20-2008, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Fantastic

Yes it does.

Which is no different then if they attack Magneto who has no guard anyways.. Stop trying to be difficult Scarlet Witch.

Scarlet Witch · 10-20-2008, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Fantastic

Yes it does.

Then change it.

Mr.Fantastic · 10-20-2008, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarlet Witch

Then change it.

Why?

Scarlet Witch · 10-20-2008, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Fantastic

Which is no different then if they attack Magneto who has no guard anyways.. Stop trying to be difficult Scarlet Witch.

Doesn't Magneto have GhostRider guarding him?

Mr.Fantastic · 10-20-2008, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarlet Witch

Doesn't Magneto have GhostRider guarding him?

Magneto has ghostrider guarding Spiderman.

Mr.Fantastic · 10-20-2008, 02:45 PM

Post 4600 just to make Hoopsguy happy.

10-20-2008, 01:06 PM	#4552
Magneto H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Oct 2008	I'm still not altogether sure why we are taking Cable's word for it that we can't lynch him today.

10-20-2008, 01:13 PM	#4558
Scarlet Witch High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	And again, I don't think I ever said I don't want the Vision to die. I just said that he wasn't lying.

10-20-2008, 01:22 PM	#4563
Scarlet Witch High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	I'll agree on that point -- I did see a post by Magneto that seemed to take his potential ousting with some dignity. I'll definitely grant him that.

10-20-2008, 01:30 PM	#4567
Scarlet Witch High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	(ooc) Wait...maybe that IS exactly like blade/bek. Great. Just great. (/ooc)

10-20-2008, 01:33 PM	#4568
Scarlet Witch High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	[ooc] Let's just stick with Donnie Darko, that's one of my favorite movies. [/ooc]

10-20-2008, 01:58 PM	#4578
Magneto H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Oct 2008	I've given my order to protect Spider-Man today. Clearing Spider-Man, and his seer-power, seems ery important to me. So I will put my vote on Cable and we'll see what's what. STANDARD ATTACK ON CABLE

10-20-2008, 02:10 PM	#4580
Magneto H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Oct 2008	I have ordered Punisher, I think, to guard Spider-Man. GhostRider is protecting Mr. F.

10-20-2008, 02:20 PM	#4581
Scarlet Witch High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	As long as you're sure that Punisher was not given an order yesterday, we should be okay. It will be doubly scary in Scarlet-Witch-land for the next day or so -- it's already been singly scary with the Shadow King around here (ooc by the way, he treats this body really crappily -- switched the time zone, and reads PMs from the mods, then doesn't mark them unread), but the Prelate situation will make it doubly scary. Very nerve-wracking.

10-20-2008, 02:25 PM	#4583
Magneto H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Oct 2008	You've got to let Ghost Rider go, then, for me to be able to issue the order. I cannot override you.

10-20-2008, 02:31 PM	#4587
Magneto H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Oct 2008	WHat I am advising is that you order Punisher or someone to guard yourself so that I can issue an order to Ghost Rider to guard Spider-Man before I leave in 30 mins.

10-20-2008, 02:31 PM	#4588
Magneto H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Oct 2008	REVOKE ORDER FOR PUNISHER ORDER GHOST RIDER TO GUARD SPIDER-MAN

10-20-2008, 02:33 PM	#4590
Scarlet Witch High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	I don't see how you could end up with no guard, Mr. F. If he 'takes' GhostRider from you, then you take the Punisher, right? If he doesn't let go of the Punisher, you just take back GhostRider.

10-20-2008, 02:34 PM	#4591
Scarlet Witch High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	But, Mr. F -- wouldn't that mean that if someone attacks you, then Magneto dies?

10-20-2008, 02:45 PM	#4600
Mr.Fantastic High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	Post 4600 just to make Hoopsguy happy.

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