The Trump Presidency – 2016

[rowech]

So really the question would be -- is there actually anything to him being charged with obstruction of justice? If not, there's really nothing here that warrants all the excitement people have about tomorrow.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by jeff061

Not one bit of new info in there. Which makes CNN's current front page humourous and sad.

Everything prior to this was "sources say...". Hearing it directly from the former head of the FBI is definitely news.

[Radii]

Originally Posted by rowech

So really the question would be -- is there actually anything to him being charged with obstruction of justice? If not, there's really nothing here that warrants all the excitement people have about tomorrow.

I think tomorrow is certain to be a letdown. The independent investigation rolls on, and that's what actually matters.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by rowech

So really the question would be -- is there actually anything to him being charged with obstruction of justice? If not, there's really nothing here that warrants all the excitement people have about tomorrow.

Maybe I'm misinterpreting, but my perception is that the excitement is more around "what UIC will Trump tweet during the hearings" than what will actually come out.

At least that's the case for me.

[jeff061]

Originally Posted by Logan

Everything prior to this was "sources say...". Hearing it directly from the former head of the FBI is definitely news.

It's news, its not 50 point bold face Bombshell.

[Edward64]

Another turn of the dial.

Not sure if there really are going to be any big surprises in the near term (regardless of what CNN & MSNBC wishes for)... time for the Dems to dig up something else about Trump & Family and come in at another direction.

[RainMaker]

Sounds like we'll just hear what has been reported. He committed obstruction of justice.

The independent investigation is probably what people should be waiting on. I still think that's going to be focused much more on people like Flynn and Kushner who likely did illegal things.

[JPhillips]

I get that the GOP congress isn't going to see this as big news, but when the President repeatedly asks the FBI director to drop an investigation into his administration and then fires the FBI director because he wouldn't drop it, should shock us. That's as clear as can be that the admin is putting itself above the law.

[Brian Swartz]

I don't view it as news because it's become accepted for the past 20-30 years(at least) that our leaders will put themselves above the law. I don't approve it of course, it's enough for me to favor impeachment, but I think a lot more impeachment should go on than does, and it's neither news or surprising while at the same time being rather terrible.

[JPhillips]

What Trump did, which basically no one argues, is unprecedented. At no point in our past has a president fired an FBI director because he refused to stop an investigation into the administration.

[Toddzilla]

Predictions for Tomorrow:

• Comey will simply repeat everything we've already heard a million times
• Congressmen at the hearing will grandstand for their constituents
• MSM will fall all over itself with 16-man panels and chyron-over-chyron-over-chyron and SuperExtraBreakingNEWS!
• Liberals will be I-told-you-so
• Conservatives will be all ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
• Trump's base will not be able to care less
• I'll coach T-Ball at 6PM and have fun doing it.

[AlexB]

While I think Trump is bad for the US and the rest of the world, you also have to consider the possibility that Comey could be lying, could be committing perjury, treason, whatever law it would be to lie to the investigation.

Edward said it's another turn of the dial, and that's all is will be, albeit an important one. A president is not going to get brought down by the testimony of one man, it will need a weight of testimonies and supporting evidence for that to happen.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by Logan

Everything prior to this was "sources say...". Hearing it directly from the former head of the FBI is definitely news.

Actual substance aside, I was having this argument last night while watching Rachel Maddow at my parents... imo the liberal media has hyped this testimony up to the point where anything short of Comey saying he was on a conference call with Trump & Putin while being peed on by hookers can be brushed aside.

Originally Posted by Toddzilla

Predictions for Tomorrow:

• Comey will simply repeat everything we've already heard a million times
• Congressmen at the hearing will grandstand for their constituents
• MSM will fall all over itself with 16-man panels and chyron-over-chyron-over-chyron and SuperExtraBreakingNEWS!
• Liberals will be I-told-you-so
• Conservatives will be all ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
• Trump's base will not be able to care less
• I'll coach T-Ball at 6PM and have fun doing it.

Bullshit.

Who has fun coaching T-ball?

[Ben E Lou]

Ok, I giggled.

Dear @realDonaldTrump: You get back to work. I'll handle the Comey live-tweeting.

— Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) June 8, 2017

[albionmoonlight]

Trump not tweeting. Smart. Maybe someone in the WH had the sense to shut off the WiFi.

[Ben E Lou]

Comey just directly said that he didn't document meetings with Bush or Obama, but that he did with Trump because he felt that Trump would lie about the nature of the meetings later.

[Ben E Lou]

Several times Comey indicates he believes Trump is a liar....then he says "I'll take him at his word" that he was fired because of the Russia investigation. That one isn't gonna play well.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

Several times Comey indicates he believes Trump is a liar....then he says "I'll take him at his word" that he was fired because of the Russia investigation. That one isn't gonna play well.

Only by people grasping at straws.

That's basically like the old "when did you stop beating your wife?" trick.

[ISiddiqui]

Jeez, Comey isn't holding back. Accusing him of looking for a quid pro quo.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Logan

Only by people grasping at straws. every single person still trying to make excuses for Trump.

Fixed that for ya.

[Ben E Lou]

It's stunning (and then again, it isn't) how many times the former Director Of The FBI has called the President Of The United States a liar.

[JonInMiddleGA]

We endured a p.o.s. that refused to enforce various laws on the books, refused to protect or defend the Constitution.

How come all the sudden interest in presidents & laws?

[Logan]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

We endured a p.o.s. that refused to enforce various laws on the books, refused to protect or defend the Constitution.

How come all the sudden interest in presidents & laws?

2/10. I expected much better.

[albionmoonlight]

Firing Comey shows everything wrong with Trump as a politician. He had a guy on the inside who was going to protect him and was going to protect the office of the presidency. But that guy refused to pledge personal loyalty to him or pretend he liked him. So he had to go, even at great political cost to Trump.

[Warhammer]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Firing Comey shows everything wrong with Trump as a politician. He had a guy on the inside who was going to protect him and was going to protect the office of the presidency. But that guy refused to pledge personal loyalty to him or pretend he liked him. So he had to go, even at great political cost to Trump.

Maybe he should have had Colonel Cathcart ask him to sign the loyalty pledge.

[Logan]

BREAKING: Speaker Paul Ryan says FBI director needs to be independent, says Trump unfamiliar with protocol, `just new to this'

— The Associated Press (@AP) June 8, 2017

[albionmoonlight]

Dola:

Someone said that Ryan and McConnell could go up to Trump and propose a show trial in which he would be found guilty of misdemeanor malfeasance, but then afterwards he would get to be emperor for life.

And Trump would turn them down. Because he could not comprehend even one day of humiliation in exchange for a lifetime of power.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Firing Comey shows everything wrong with Trump as a politician. He had a guy on the inside who was going to protect him and was going to protect the office of the presidency. But that guy refused to pledge personal loyalty to him or pretend he liked him. So he had to go, even at great political cost to Trump.

He turned Tom into Tessio

[ISiddiqui]

Sessions is coming off pretty bad here as well.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Sessions is coming off pretty bad here as well.

I've been watching it for past hour, that's not my impression? Comey said alot of I don't know re: Sessions.

[Ben E Lou]

Holy cow. Does John McCain have dementia?

[Logan]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

Holy cow. Does John McCain have dementia?

I sure as hell hope so.

[Jas_lov]

McCain seems confused. Time to put him out to pasture.

[pbot]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

Holy cow. Does John McCain have dementia?

Yeah...wtf is he watching?

[Scoobz0202]

Does he not understand that Clinton and Russia were separate investigations?

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by Jas_lov

McCain seems confused. Time to put him out to pasture.

He's troubled and concerned by Trump's actions, but not so much that he's not going to focus on Her Emails as the most pressing issue.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Scoobz0202

Does he not understand that Clinton and Russia were separate investigations?

It appears that he doesn't. Either that or he's wondering why the FBI didn't investigate Hillary Clinton for colluding with Russia to elect Donald Trump.

[Ben E Lou]

Did he also say "President Comey" a couple of times?

[pbot]

Yes. He also wondered what "that thing" was. I'm assuming he wonders what a lot of things are now.

[Logan]

Was there a hard end time on this? If so, thank god it wasn't 7 mins shorter.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Edward64

I've been watching it for past hour, that's not my impression? Comey said alot of I don't know re: Sessions.

Ah, you meant Lynch ... yes, she came off looking bad

[Ben E Lou]

Rubio on McCain: "I didn't follow that line of questioning very well."

[Edward64]

I wasn't following where McCain was tracking ... thought I missed something. Good to know I wasn't alone

[Ben E Lou]

No idea if this is accurate, but it's a fair summation of the McCain questions...

Other senators' faces as McCain talks. pic.twitter.com/2x1nmRzbkQ

— Emma Loop (@LoopEmma) June 8, 2017

[Edward64]

Interesting. Fox News pundit said that Mueller investigation will eventually call on Trump to testify under oath.

Hope it happens. I'm sure it'll be close door but would be fun if it was open.

[Logan]

Right now:

[Easy Mac]

We're on vacation with my in-laws. My father-in-law after missing the hearing after he spent 90 minutes at a bait shop, then coming in and checking fox news:

Wow, nothing bad for Trump.... something, something Loretta Lynch.

There's literally no way to get through to these people.

I'd say something, but my daughter is sitting here ignoring him watching Sofia the First. I don't feel the need to anger him when she's 5 feet away.

[Easy Mac]

Also, that Trump was right to fire Comey about the memo, even if he didn't know about the memo.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by Edward64

I've been watching it for past hour, that's not my impression? Comey said alot of I don't know re: Sessions.

I'm talking about the questions the Senators were raising about Sessions. He probably didn't think he'd be featured so much in hearing.

And that Comey indicated that there were other reason Sessions would have had to recuse himself from the Russia investigation, but he couldn't reveal them. And Comey saying it's a 'reasonable question' as to whether Sessions should have been involved in Comey's firing since he recused himself.

[Ragone]

Did Mccain have a stroke on national television? or some heavy burtations?