Pro Wrestling Discussion Thread **Spoilers Possible** - Page 97

Mota · 01-29-2014, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Comey

The original plan, according to several outlets, was a rematch of Bryan and Sheamus. Perhaps THIS is also a work (which would be supermeta, and would amaze me, because I simply don't think the WWE is capable of following through with this...they continually shot their wad too early when landing on a massive storyline, ie Nexus, CM Punk in '12, etc). I'm kind of amazed that the Bryan storyline has gone on as long as it has...they already shot down the Wyatt storyline, reportedly, because of the Michigan State "YES!" chant.

I couldn't possibly imagine a Bryan / Sheamus match at Wrestlemania. I almost don't believe it, that match could only piss off their hardcore fans.

And a Bryan / Punk meta-shoot angle would be amazing, people are totally falling for it. Only I don't give the WWE credit for this, given how bad their booking has been for months now, there's no way the same people could think of a brilliant angle like this.

Comey · 01-29-2014, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mota

I couldn't possibly imagine a Bryan / Sheamus match at Wrestlemania. I almost don't believe it, that match could only piss off their hardcore fans.

And a Bryan / Punk meta-shoot angle would be amazing, people are totally falling for it. Only I don't give the WWE credit for this, given how bad their booking has been for months now, there's no way the same people could think of a brilliant angle like this.

I meant the planting of Bryan/Sheamus would be meta. That would blow my mind. But that was the plan until Punk left; now, according to the reports I've read, it's now HHH/Bryan. To be honest, I feel like they could have kept that going until Summerslam, with Bryan and maybe even Orton (who could be cast off in favor of Bautista by the Authority) up against the Authority (with Bautista and Reigns as the centerpiece), Heyman w/ the rest of The Shield (who aren't stupid, and know Heyman can help them), and The Wyatt Family. It definitely would be interesting, as Orton can play the tweener (though he's better as a heel), Bautista is autocast as a heel because of Bryan, and Heyman's going to need something soon.

That all needs fleshed out, but I feel like they're rushing things now, because they're constantly afraid of losing the heat they just caught.

molson · 01-29-2014, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Comey

No...not Punk/Orton. Orton/Bryan.

So Punk walked out because he's pissed because Batista took Daniel Bryan's spot? (Even though IMO, wrestling HHH at Mania is a much better spot than wrestling Orton). That too though, has been the plan for at least a couple of months. What changed right before RAW Monday?

Comey · 01-29-2014, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

So Punk walked out because he's pissed because Batista took Daniel Bryan's spot? (Even though IMO, wrestling HHH at Mania is a much better spot than wrestling Orton). That too though, has been the plan for at least a couple of months. What changed right before RAW Monday?

He is upset that someone is coming in and taking the spot of someone who has gotten after it every day. Same happened last year with The Rock, and he was quite vocal about that. Reports are that he's friends with Bautista, but feels this is a bad move, one that seems reinforced with the crowd reaction to Bautista, along with Bautista's ring rust.

That, along with injuries, and the seemingly apparent feel that he was gone in July anyway, led to him leaving now.

Scarecrow · 01-29-2014, 09:57 PM

Here's what I don't understand...

Why all the heat that Bautista is getting (and I'll agree that he sucks), when for months we've been told that the tag team division is the deepest in the history of the WW(F)E, only to have The New Age Outlaws pop in out of retirement and win the title after 2 matches?

INDalltheway · 01-29-2014, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarecrow

Here's what I don't understand...

Why all the heat that Bautista is getting (and I'll agree that he sucks), when for months we've been told that the tag team division is the deepest in the history of the WW(F)E, only to have The New Age Outlaws pop in out of retirement and win the title after 2 matches?

They are going to put over the Usos at Wrestlemania IMO.

SirFozzie · 01-29-2014, 10:07 PM

They're breaking up the tag division.

Real Americans going downhill with Zeb slapping Swagger multiple times.
Prime Time Players break up at Smackdown
Cody and Goldust battle at Wrestlemania
Shield in the process of breaking u/

Ryche · 01-30-2014, 12:54 AM

Really this is the third year in a row that the main even for Wrestlemania has gone to an outsider who hasn't been busting his ass for the past year. The Rock did it twice.

It still boggles my mind that they are going with Orton/Batista at Wrestlemania. That match is going to get booed out of the building.

BishopMVP · 01-30-2014, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Scarecrow

Here's what I don't understand...

Why all the heat that Bautista is getting (and I'll agree that he sucks), when for months we've been told that the tag team division is the deepest in the history of the WW(F)E, only to have The New Age Outlaws pop in out of retirement and win the title after 2 matches?

Because despite its depth they haven't actually pushed the tag titles to mean anything, and everyone's off doing their own thing instead of trying to win the titles. NAO won them on a pre-show match, and there was no indication they'd be a headlining match at WM (or any other PPV). They don't even pretend any of the belts other than the Heavyweight title matter - IC winners probably have a losing record on RAW's, AJ Lee is probably under .500 (or, worse, exactly .500) as the titleholder, and I don't think Seth Rollins has even defended the US title in 6+ months.

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Punk was my favorite wrestler for several years, although I have to say since the feud with Paul Heyman, he's been extremely dull. Of course someone with that talent being forced to fight against guys like Ryback and Curtis Axel for months wouldn't help. I'd rather remember the pipe bomb thrower, or the long hair SES guy rather than the disheveled Wolverine looking guy who was zombie walking through shows for months now.

This. I won't say he's lost it, because he still looked great in the couple big matches he's had since Summer of Punk, but he walks through average matches. Put Daniel Bryan in there vs. Curtis Axel or Zach Ryder and he'll still work his ass off to get a good match out of it. Hopefully it's an extended sabbatical and he comes back with some fire, but if not, so be it.

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Real Americans going downhill with Zeb slapping Swagger multiple times.
Shield in the process of breaking up

Real Americans are just too fun to be a heel team. If separating them from Zeb is necessary before they have their face turn, so be it.

The Shield booking is a mess right now. One show they tease the break-up, the next they completely forget about it and act like nothing's changed. I don't see why they even need to break up - they can wrestle singles matches or tag team matches and still occasionally come back together if necessary like the Four Horsemen or something.

molson · 01-30-2014, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryche

It still boggles my mind that they are going with Orton/Batista at Wrestlemania. That match is going to get booed out of the building.

Agreed, but I really think Bryan is better off with HHH than with Orton for the title. We've seen Bryan/Orton main event several PPVs already, and we've seen Bryan win championships. And Orton wasn't even the main heel in that past Bryan/Orton angle, the real bad guy, both on-screen and off (as perceived by the fans at least) was the Authority and HHH. He's the guy Bryan needs to get his comeuppance against. I think beating HHH at Mania would mean more for Bryan than winning the title and then feuding with a different heel on top every few months as the champion. Better for him to beat HHH and then chase the title. I still things might fall a little flat if they have him on top defending the title every month. I think he's much better as an underdog chasing the title. But it seems like a good portion of the fanbase is just going to be angry until he has that role where he's on top and fed contender after contender.

I watched some of Punk's interview with Ariel Helwani (and read recaps of it), and Punk's take was that he didn't have a problem with Batista getting the title match, because Batista is back as a full-time guy now, for the next year at least, and probably more unless it's a total disaster. Whereas he did have a problem with Rock, who was truly a part-timer. But I think he has it backwards. Mania isn't there to reward guys for working hard all year, the goal is to make as much money as possible, and I think Rock helped them draw an enormous gate and very strong buyrates. And I think Mania really needs part-time special attractions. We see every combination of the full-time main event guys all year long, they wrestle every week on TV against each other, and every month in hyped PPV matches. Guys like Rock, Lesnar, Undertaker bring a ton to Mania (Batista though, not so much, at least in a top match.) And who knows, maybe Punk now becomes one of those part-time guys himself who brings an extra boost to the big shows.

Mota · 01-30-2014, 05:48 PM

Meltzer is talking about putting Bryan into the title match. I disagree. I would argue that a match against HHH will be given the highest priority and could possibly be considered higher on the card than a title match. Certainly HHH always puts himself in the spotlight, as long as he's willing to share it with Bryan.

I am afraid about the Randy Orton / Batista match though. They better put it on early in the card, I think two guys who aren't over and no one wants to see wrestle is going to be ugly with the hardcore fans at Wrestlemania. I wouldn't doubt if Batista quits early to be honest. He certainly didn't look happy at the Royal Rumble.

molson · 01-30-2014, 05:56 PM

They should definitely consider putting a third guy in that title match, but I don't think it should be Bryan. Let him shine against HHH instead of throwing him into that train wreck. He'll get 30 minutes with HHH, I think those guys would work really well together, and its a match we haven't seen. (And it would be on a protected spot on the card, following a Diva's match or something). Edit: Maybe someone gets screwed over at Elimination Chamber and their consolation is getting into the Mania match. Maybe Batista/Orton/Sheamus. Why not.

I think Lesnar/Undertaker closes the show.

molson · 01-30-2014, 06:02 PM

Dola, I read that Bellator has already made an overture to Punk about an MMA fight or two. I guess it's well known in MMA circles that he wants to do that. He's too old for it to be any kind of career, but it makes perfect sense for Bellator to inherit Strikeforce's celebrity MMA division. Punk can be competitive against a tomato can with the kind of training he has access to.

Front Office Midget · 01-31-2014, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by molson

I watched some of Punk's interview with Ariel Helwani (and read recaps of it), and Punk's take was that he didn't have a problem with Batista getting the title match, because Batista is back as a full-time guy now, for the next year at least, and probably more unless it's a total disaster. Whereas he did have a problem with Rock, who was truly a part-timer. But I think he has it backwards.

In the video with Ariel he states that he doesn't have a problem with Batista coming back, since he's a full-timer now; however, that doesn't carry over to the Main Event of Wrestlemania.

In this video from last Friday, he says what everybody basically feels, which is that this was Bryan's year and he deserves that spot a lot more than Batista.

If anything, Punk leaving should at least ensure that we don't get the disaster of a card that would have Bryan vs. Sheamus and Orton vs. Batista on it. Bryan vs. HHH makes a lot more sense, or Bryan in the Title match.

RainMaker · 02-03-2014, 09:58 PM

Tonight's RAW is just bizarre. It's one of the worst written I can ever remember and they are muting the crowd everytime a CM Punk chant starts up.

Neuqua · 02-04-2014, 12:20 AM

I don't think they were muting the crowd. Several folks at the arena tweeted that every time a CM Punk chant started, security escorted those chanting out. They were being kicked out by the dozens.

molson · 02-04-2014, 10:17 AM

Sounds like smark bait.

SHOOTING DOWN A RIDICULOUS CM PUNK RUMOR
by Mike Johnson @ 8:31 AM on 2/4/2014

In regard to reports that fans were ejected from Raw last night in Omaha for chanting for CM Punk, both readers who were in attendance and WWE sources have confirmed that story is 100% false.

It appears the story started on Twitter and was picked up as if it was legitimate, but there was no basis in that claim.

We usually don't remark on unfounded rumors, but given the amount of email we've received this morning, we wanted to make it clear that WWE did no such thing.

molson · 02-04-2014, 11:50 PM

The WWE posted a list of the PPVs that will be available on demand at the network launch in a couple of weeks. It's just a list of all WWE/WCW/ECW PPVs ever (spoiler tagged below), but it's kind of noteworthy that Over the Edge 1999 (i.e., Owen Hart's death) is on there, as are the UK-only PPVs. It's pretty awesome that that I'll be able to fire up any of these on my roku very soon. Hopefully they're relatively untouched content-wise, though I'm sure some of the music will be replaced for license fee reasons.

Also it's been reported that the entire run of the syndicated ECW Hardcore TV show (April 1993 - December 2000) will be available on the Network the very first day. (Per Meltzer and Joey Styles, who is tweeting his experiences playing around on the internal test site that's live now I guess - he's also watching WCCW from 1982).

Spoiler

DaddyTorgo · 02-05-2014, 12:02 AM

Really? All ECW Hardcore TV?

FML that's sweet!

PilotMan · 02-05-2014, 12:12 AM

Yeah this whole setup has me excited. And it's been a long, long time since I've been excited by WWE.

JonInMiddleGA · 02-05-2014, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by molson

Also it's been reported that the entire run of the syndicated ECW Hardcore TV show (April 1993 - December 2000) will be available on the Network the very first day.

Okay, now THAT might get a few months of subscription out of me. My son would kill to see that shit in sequence.

edit: Those recorded-at-4am-in-the-parking-lot promos from New Jack, the ones that convinced us Taz was a very legit badass, etc. just some epic stuff.

DaddyTorgo · 02-05-2014, 01:10 AM

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Okay, now THAT might get a few months of subscription out of me. My son would kill to see that shit in sequence.

edit: Those recorded-at-4am-in-the-parking-lot promos from New Jack, the ones that convinced us Taz was a very legit badass, etc. just some epic stuff.

Exactly. Some of that ECW stuff is genuinely worth paying for. Hell...I'd go so far as to say that ECW Hardcore TV alone is worth paying for while an archive of past RAWs is not.

Some of those vintage Shane Douglas interviews. Rob Van Dam? Sabu? Legit Dudleyz? Gangstas? Fuck...Sandman/Tommy Dreamer? Tommy Dreamer/Raven?

I'm close to marking out just thinking about some of that shit. Maybe part of that was staying up till like 1am or whenever the fuck it was on in HS to watch it though.

Then again - I wonder how much of that you can find on youtube. *goes to look*

JonInMiddleGA · 02-05-2014, 01:35 AM

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Maybe part of that was staying up till like 1am or whenever the fuck it was on in HS to watch it though.

I think it was more like til 2a or 3a for me.

DaddyTorgo · 02-05-2014, 01:44 AM

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I think it was more like til 2a or 3a for me.

Yeah probably. I can never remember...just always remember that it was the absolute middle of the night.

Was just watching some old clips on youtube. Man, those were good times.

SirFozzie · 02-05-2014, 02:27 AM

"And uncut.. uncensored.. the night Kimona Wanalaya danced on top of the ECW Arena".

(I STILL remember the ECW tape commercials that used to air 4-6 times an episode)

Toddzilla · 02-11-2014, 09:26 AM

OOF - without legitimate competition, the WWE is simply unwatchable

jbergey22 · 02-11-2014, 02:48 PM

Any news on Punk? I watched that interview that was linked a few spots earlier and I didnt get the sense he was packing his bags. He was discussing WM and the RR as if everything was fine.

SirFozzie · 02-11-2014, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

Any news on Punk? I watched that interview that was linked a few spots earlier and I didnt get the sense he was packing his bags. He was discussing WM and the RR as if everything was fine.

He's gone, at least for the short term. THat video was before he left, if it's the one I'm thinking of

jbergey22 · 02-11-2014, 02:53 PM

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He's gone, at least for the short term. THat video was before he left, if it's the one I'm thinking of

Yes, the interview with the MMA guy a few days before the Rumble.

It did kind of sound like he was burned out from the 10 years in the WWE and wanted a break. Not sure if leaving before his contract expired was the best way to go about it. Of course its never stopped Vince from hiring people back before.

molson · 02-11-2014, 03:00 PM

It's not clear what it's all about and he hasn't said. From what I've read, some in the company just think it's burn-out and nothing more. Some think it's basically a contract hold-out and that he's not happy about the WWE Network replacing PPV revenue, which the wrestlers shared in. Meltzer reported that a wrestler told him, via letter he was told he could publish on the condition of anonymity, that Punk was jealous of Daniel Bryan. And some think he's just mad about the booking generally.

jbergey22 · 02-11-2014, 03:10 PM

Thanks for the update.

I think they all make sense except the being jealous of Bryan. I would think he would be very proud of that since he was the pioneer of wrestlers like that making it big.

I think when/if Punk got back on a good program his popularity would go back through the roof. He just hasnt done much of anything lately from what Ive been reading.

I have a hard time believing Punk wouldnt understand the situation a bit better between him and Bryan if that was true.

bulletsponge · 02-11-2014, 06:59 PM

im sure hes a little jealous of Bryan, but hes been fed shit for quiet a while and i can easily see him being pissed about his booking. i bet the cena vs orton title merger is what really pushed him over the edge. imagine how much better that would have been with Punk in it

Mota · 02-11-2014, 07:15 PM

I'd be pretty mad if I was at the top of my game at work and the best at what I do, and every Christmas some guy who hasn't been at the company for years would swoop in and get the big Xmas bonus and all the pats on the back. Not just one year but several years in a row.

I don't think it's Bryan that he's pissed off about.

Neuqua · 02-11-2014, 08:16 PM

The March 3rd RAW should be interesting. I may be there and I can see the crowd trying to hijack the show with Punk chants.

JonInMiddleGA · 02-18-2014, 03:53 PM

Greatest pro wrestling entrance ever involves sword, Velociraptor

BishopMVP · 02-18-2014, 07:08 PM

John Cena's really good when he tries.

bulletsponge · 02-18-2014, 07:33 PM

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Greatest pro wrestling entrance ever involves sword, Velociraptor

thats one of those anime "my dicks so small i got to overcompensate with a huge sword" swords. still that a crazy enterance. i thought he would chop the dinos head off when he entered

INDalltheway · 02-18-2014, 09:09 PM

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John Cena's really good when he tries.

I'm sure wrestling someone different gives a guy a little bit of a lift. We were getting the same old crap, and this was fresh. Then add in that Cesaro is one of the best in ring guys going right now and you have yourself an entertaining match!

SirFozzie · 02-19-2014, 06:34 AM

RIP Mabel (from Men on a Mission) who passed away after a heart attack, at the age of 43.

molson · 02-19-2014, 08:06 PM

I didn't realize he was so young. So he started in the WWF at 22 and got the main event push when he was 24.

SirFozzie · 02-19-2014, 09:44 PM

yup.. Made some bad choices (apparently including doing a hell of a long line of coke off a car windshield, and then admitting he was coked up in front of Vince McMahon, he was fired on the spot)

SirFozzie · 02-23-2014, 09:56 PM

I hope like crazy that the Chamber PPV is on WWE Network tommorrow morning and that I can go right to the Shield-Wyatts match.

These are the reactions from my wrestling fan friends:

"Retire Match of the Year right now"

"It's like Von Erichs-Freebirds in level of heat, even though both teams are supposedly heels"

"I'm laughing at you that you didn't order this PPV, Foz"

SirFozzie · 02-23-2014, 10:55 PM

First 90% of the Elimination chamber match: Awesome.

Last 10% Vince Russo.

Neuqua · 02-23-2014, 11:29 PM

"Sigh."

dubb93 · 02-23-2014, 11:40 PM

I've built the network up in my head to the point where I'm pretty sure I will be let down.

RainMaker · 02-24-2014, 02:52 AM

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First 90% of the Elimination chamber match: Awesome.

Last 10% Vince Russo.

It is going to be funny seeing two heels in the main event at Mania and the crowd shitting all over it.

Carman Bulldog · 02-24-2014, 09:53 AM

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It is going to be funny seeing two heels in the main event at Mania and the crowd shitting all over it.

I haven't watched in a long time but still follow things somewhat, and one idea getting steam is the stipulation that if Daniel Bryan beats Triple H at WM, he gets inserted into the main event, and from there goes over Orton and Batista.

stevew · 02-24-2014, 09:58 AM

looks like you can get a free one week trial of the wwe network that runs for the next week. Might have to check it out tomorrow.

DaddyTorgo · 02-24-2014, 10:20 AM

Oh that WWE Network is up and running?

molson · 02-24-2014, 11:03 AM

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Oh that WWE Network is up and running?

Yup, as of this morning. I'll be playing around with it tonight for sure.

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molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	They should definitely consider putting a third guy in that title match, but I don't think it should be Bryan. Let him shine against HHH instead of throwing him into that train wreck. He'll get 30 minutes with HHH, I think those guys would work really well together, and its a match we haven't seen. (And it would be on a protected spot on the card, following a Diva's match or something). Edit: Maybe someone gets screwed over at Elimination Chamber and their consolation is getting into the Mania match. Maybe Batista/Orton/Sheamus. Why not. I think Lesnar/Undertaker closes the show. Last edited by molson : 01-30-2014 at 06:00 PM.

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Mota College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2001	Meltzer is talking about putting Bryan into the title match. I disagree. I would argue that a match against HHH will be given the highest priority and could possibly be considered higher on the card than a title match. Certainly HHH always puts himself in the spotlight, as long as he's willing to share it with Bryan. I am afraid about the Randy Orton / Batista match though. They better put it on early in the card, I think two guys who aren't over and no one wants to see wrestle is going to be ugly with the hardcore fans at Wrestlemania. I wouldn't doubt if Batista quits early to be honest. He certainly didn't look happy at the Royal Rumble.

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molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	Dola, I read that Bellator has already made an overture to Punk about an MMA fight or two. I guess it's well known in MMA circles that he wants to do that. He's too old for it to be any kind of career, but it makes perfect sense for Bellator to inherit Strikeforce's celebrity MMA division. Punk can be competitive against a tomato can with the kind of training he has access to.

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molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	The WWE posted a list of the PPVs that will be available on demand at the network launch in a couple of weeks. It's just a list of all WWE/WCW/ECW PPVs ever (spoiler tagged below), but it's kind of noteworthy that Over the Edge 1999 (i.e., Owen Hart's death) is on there, as are the UK-only PPVs. It's pretty awesome that that I'll be able to fire up any of these on my roku very soon. Hopefully they're relatively untouched content-wise, though I'm sure some of the music will be replaced for license fee reasons. Also it's been reported that the entire run of the syndicated ECW Hardcore TV show (April 1993 - December 2000) will be available on the Network the very first day. (Per Meltzer and Joey Styles, who is tweeting his experiences playing around on the internal test site that's live now I guess - he's also watching WCCW from 1982). 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Breakdown: In Your House (1998) Judgment Day: In Your House (1998) Survivor Series (1998) Capital Carnage (UK only) (1998) Rock Bottom: In Your House (1998) Royal Rumble (1999) St. Valentine's Day Massacre: In Your House (1999) WrestleMania XV Backlash: In Your House (1999) No Mercy (UK only) (1999) Over the Edge (1999) King of the Ring (1999) Fully Loaded (1999) SummerSlam (1999) Unforgiven (1999) Rebellion (UK only) (1999) No Mercy (1999) Survivor Series (1999) Armageddon (1999) Royal Rumble (2000) No Way Out (2000) WrestleMania 2000 (16) Backlash (2000) Insurrextion (UK only) (2000) Judgment Day (2000) King of the Ring (2000) Fully Loaded (2000) SummerSlam (2000) Unforgiven (2000) No Mercy (2000) Survivor Series (2000) Rebellion (UK only) (2000) Armageddon (2000) Royal Rumble (2001) No Way Out (2001) WrestleMania X-Seven Backlash (2001) Insurrextion (UK only) (2001) Judgment Day (2001) King of the Ring (2001) Invasion (2001) SummerSlam (2001) Unforgiven (2001) No Mercy (2001) 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WrestleMania XXVIII Extreme Rules (2012) Over The Limit (2012) No Way Out (2012) Money in the Bank (2012) SummerSlam (2012) Night of Champions (2012) Hell in a Cell (2012) Survivor Series (2012) WWE TLC: Tables, Ladders & Chairs (2012) Royal Rumble (2013) Elimination Chamber (2013) WrestleMania 29 Extreme Rules (2013) WWE Payback (2013) Money in the Bank (2013) SummerSlam (2013) Night of Champions (2013) WWE Battleground (2013) Hell in a Cell (2013) Survivor Series (2013) WWE TLC: Tables, Ladders & Chairs (2013) Royal Rumble (2014) WCW Starrcade '83 Starrcade '84 Starrcade '85 Starrcade '86 Starrcade '87 Bunkhouse Stampede (1988) The Great American Bash (1988) Starrcade '88 Chi-Town Rumble (1989) WrestleWar '89 The Great American Bash '89 Halloween Havoc '89 Starrcade '89 WrestleWar '90 Capital Combat '90 The Great American Bash (1990) Halloween Havoc (1990) Starrcade '90 WrestleWar '91 SuperBrawl (1991) The Great American Bash (1991) Halloween Havoc (1991) Starrcade '91 SuperBrawl II WrestleWar '92 Beach Blast (1992) The Great American Bash (1992) Halloween Havoc (1992) Starrcade (1992) SuperBrawl III Slamboree (1993) Beach Blast (1993) Fall Brawl (1993) Halloween Havoc (1993) BattleBowl (1993) Starrcade (1993) SuperBrawl IV Spring Stampede (1994) Slamboree (1994) Bash at the Beach (1994) Fall Brawl (1994) Halloween Havoc (1994) Starrcade (1994) SuperBrawl V Uncensored (1995) Slamboree (1995) The Great American Bash (1995) Bash at the Beach (1995) Fall Brawl (1995) Halloween Havoc (1995) World War 3 (1995) Starrcade (1995) SuperBrawl VI Uncensored (1996) Slamboree (1996) The Great American Bash (1996) Bash at the Beach (1996) Hog Wild (1996) Fall Brawl (1996) Halloween Havoc (1996) World War 3 (1996) Starrcade (1996) Souled Out (1997) SuperBrawl VII Uncensored (1997) Spring Stampede (1997) Slamboree (1997) The Great American Bash (1997) Bash at the Beach (1997) Road Wild (1997) Fall Brawl (1997) Halloween Havoc (1997) World War 3 (1997) Starrcade (1997) Souled Out (1998) SuperBrawl VIII Uncensored (1998) Spring Stampede (1998) Slamboree (1998) The Great American Bash (1998) Bash at the Beach (1998) Road Wild (1998) Fall Brawl (1998) Halloween Havoc (1998) World War 3 (1998) Starrcade (1998) Souled Out (1999) SuperBrawl IX Uncensored (1999) Spring Stampede (1999) Slamboree (1999) The Great American Bash (1999) Bash at the Beach (1999) Road Wild (1999) Fall Brawl (1999) Halloween Havoc (1999) Mayhem (1999) Starrcade (1999) Souled Out (2000) SuperBrawl 2000 Uncensored (2000) Spring Stampede (2000) Slamboree (2000) The Great American Bash (2000) Bash at the Beach (2000) New Blood Rising (2000) Fall Brawl (2000) Halloween Havoc (2000) Mayhem (2000) Starrcade (2000) Sin (2001) SuperBrawl Revenge (2001) Greed (2001) ECW Barely Legal Hardcore Heaven '97 November to Remember '97 Living Dangerously '98 Wrestlepalooza '98 Heatwave '98 November to Remember '98 Guilty as Charged '99 Living Dangerously '99 Hardcore Heaven '99 Heatwave '99 Anarchy Rulz '99 November to Remember '99 Guilty as Charged 2000 Living Dangerously 2000 Hardcore Heaven 2000 Heatwave 2000 Anarchy Rulz 2000 November to Remember 2000 Massacre on 34th St. 2000 Guilty as Charged 2001 ECW One Night Stand (2005) ECW One Night Stand (2006) December to Dismember (2006) Last edited by molson : 02-05-2014 at 12:10 AM.

02-05-2014, 12:02 AM	#4819
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	Really? All ECW Hardcore TV? FML that's sweet!

02-05-2014, 12:12 AM	#4820
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	Yeah this whole setup has me excited. And it's been a long, long time since I've been excited by WWE. __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops. Like Steam? Join the FOFC Steam group here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/FOFConSteam

02-05-2014, 02:27 AM	#4825
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	"And uncut.. uncensored.. the night Kimona Wanalaya danced on top of the ECW Arena". (I STILL remember the ECW tape commercials that used to air 4-6 times an episode) __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

02-11-2014, 09:26 AM	#4826
Toddzilla Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burke, VA	OOF - without legitimate competition, the WWE is simply unwatchable

02-11-2014, 02:48 PM	#4827
jbergey22 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Minnesota	Any news on Punk? I watched that interview that was linked a few spots earlier and I didnt get the sense he was packing his bags. He was discussing WM and the RR as if everything was fine.

02-11-2014, 03:00 PM	#4830
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	It's not clear what it's all about and he hasn't said. From what I've read, some in the company just think it's burn-out and nothing more. Some think it's basically a contract hold-out and that he's not happy about the WWE Network replacing PPV revenue, which the wrestlers shared in. Meltzer reported that a wrestler told him, via letter he was told he could publish on the condition of anonymity, that Punk was jealous of Daniel Bryan. And some think he's just mad about the booking generally. Last edited by molson : 02-11-2014 at 03:01 PM.

02-11-2014, 03:10 PM	#4831
jbergey22 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Minnesota	Thanks for the update. I think they all make sense except the being jealous of Bryan. I would think he would be very proud of that since he was the pioneer of wrestlers like that making it big. I think when/if Punk got back on a good program his popularity would go back through the roof. He just hasnt done much of anything lately from what Ive been reading. I have a hard time believing Punk wouldnt understand the situation a bit better between him and Bryan if that was true.

02-11-2014, 06:59 PM	#4832
bulletsponge Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: TX	im sure hes a little jealous of Bryan, but hes been fed shit for quiet a while and i can easily see him being pissed about his booking. i bet the cena vs orton title merger is what really pushed him over the edge. imagine how much better that would have been with Punk in it __________________ the Barbarian, WW Royal Rumble Champion

02-11-2014, 07:15 PM	#4833
Mota College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2001	I'd be pretty mad if I was at the top of my game at work and the best at what I do, and every Christmas some guy who hasn't been at the company for years would swoop in and get the big Xmas bonus and all the pats on the back. Not just one year but several years in a row. I don't think it's Bryan that he's pissed off about.

02-11-2014, 08:16 PM	#4834
Neuqua Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago, Ill	The March 3rd RAW should be interesting. I may be there and I can see the crowd trying to hijack the show with Punk chants. __________________ Our Deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, 'Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous?' Actually, who are you not to be?

02-18-2014, 03:53 PM	#4835
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Greatest pro wrestling entrance ever involves sword, Velociraptor __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

02-18-2014, 07:08 PM	#4836
BishopMVP Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Concord, MA/UMass	John Cena's really good when he tries.

02-19-2014, 06:34 AM	#4839
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	RIP Mabel (from Men on a Mission) who passed away after a heart attack, at the age of 43. __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

02-19-2014, 08:06 PM	#4840
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	I didn't realize he was so young. So he started in the WWF at 22 and got the main event push when he was 24.

02-19-2014, 09:44 PM	#4841
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	yup.. Made some bad choices (apparently including doing a hell of a long line of coke off a car windshield, and then admitting he was coked up in front of Vince McMahon, he was fired on the spot) __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

02-23-2014, 09:56 PM	#4842
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	I hope like crazy that the Chamber PPV is on WWE Network tommorrow morning and that I can go right to the Shield-Wyatts match. These are the reactions from my wrestling fan friends: "Retire Match of the Year right now" "It's like Von Erichs-Freebirds in level of heat, even though both teams are supposedly heels" "I'm laughing at you that you didn't order this PPV, Foz" __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

02-23-2014, 10:55 PM	#4843
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	First 90% of the Elimination chamber match: Awesome. Last 10% Vince Russo. __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

02-23-2014, 11:29 PM	#4844
Neuqua Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago, Ill	"Sigh." __________________ Our Deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, 'Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous?' Actually, who are you not to be?

02-24-2014, 09:58 AM	#4848
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	looks like you can get a free one week trial of the wwe network that runs for the next week. Might have to check it out tomorrow.

02-24-2014, 10:20 AM	#4849
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	Oh that WWE Network is up and running?

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