FBI Opens Investigation into Shooting of Michael Brown

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Mass shooting in Kenosha left 2 dead last night.

17 year-old pro-police white kid drove out there with an AR-15 from two states over and shot some folks.

Two people are dead.

This kid's life is (almost certainly) ruined.

I know for 99% of us, we hear Hannity/Trump give their spittle-flecked lie-filled screeds and we either nod our heads or shake our heads.

But this shit isn't harmless. There are people who really believe it. They really think that the Police are in danger. They really think that they need to take up arms against the blacks, or the jews or the muslims, or whomever.

It's not a game, as much as a lot of people profit off of it like it were.

[albionmoonlight]

The speed with which we will be told that a Blue Lives Matter kid with a gun has nothing to do with Blue Lives Matter or guns will be impressive, I am sure.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by HerRealName

I saw the video of the militia guy responsible. Also caught on video was police being very chummy with the militia guys, giving them water, and letting them know they were going to push the protesters their direction.

Yeah, they let him go without questioning. Pretty telling stuff.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

17 year-old pro-police white kid drove out there with an AR-15 from two states over and shot some folks.

Two people are dead.

This kid's life is (almost certainly) ruined.

I know for 99% of us, we hear Hannity/Trump give their spittle-flecked lie-filled screeds and we either nod our heads or shake our heads.

But this shit isn't harmless. There are people who really believe it. They really think that the Police are in danger. They really think that they need to take up arms against the blacks, or the jews or the muslims, or whomever.

It's not a game, as much as a lot of people profit off of it like it were.

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Yeah, they let him go without questioning. Pretty telling stuff.

So this makes it sound like they have an identity and one story says he walked towards tactical vehicles with his hands raised, but he is free? WTF.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

But this shit isn't harmless. There are people who really believe it. They really think that the Police are in danger. They really think that they need to take up arms against the blacks, or the jews or the muslims, or whomever.

Far be it from to take up for Police (See my track record in this thread)
But the following two vids were posted on a football message board this AM (I dont read this stuff- it just makes me sad)..given this Id say the police we're in fact in danger.

Kenosha, Wisconsin: Police Officer Knocked Unconscious After Being Struck In The Head With A Brick - YouTube


Business Looted & The Owner Is Savagely Beaten In Kenosha Wisconsin Last Night - YouTube

Please dont twist my thoughts, Im not advocating the Blake shooting. That cop should hang. But as a cvilized society we cant accept EITHER action...that of the LEO or shown in these videos.

[RainMaker]

Being a police officer is still a relatively safe job. And through all these protests, I think the only deaths have come at the hands of a white supremacist who shot a cop to start a civil war or something.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

17 year-old pro-police white kid drove out there with an AR-15 from two states over and shot some folks.

Two people are dead.

This kid's life is (almost certainly) ruined.

I know for 99% of us, we hear Hannity/Trump give their spittle-flecked lie-filled screeds and we either nod our heads or shake our heads.

But this shit isn't harmless. There are people who really believe it. They really think that the Police are in danger. They really think that they need to take up arms against the blacks, or the jews or the muslims, or whomever.

It's not a game, as much as a lot of people profit off of it like it were.

just read that.
this sentence is interesting..."This kid's life is (almost certainly) ruined."
this speaks of pity for this piece of shit. What about the people he shot? THEIR life is ruined. This piece of sh*d kid deserves no sympathy.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

just read that.
this sentence is interesting..."This kid's life is (almost certainly) ruined."
this speaks of pity for this piece of shit. What about the people he shot? THEIR life is ruined. This piece of sh*d kid deserves no sympathy.

I get that perspective.

But I'm a criminal defense lawyer.

"No one is as bad as the worst thing they've done" is part of my DNA.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

I get that perspective.

But I'm a criminal defense lawyer.

"No one is as bad as the worst thing they've done" is part of my DNA.

i mean i get the "yeah he's brainwashed by the cult" tragedy of it
but that ended when he kills someone

[bronconick]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Yeah, they let him go without questioning. Pretty telling stuff.

It was either that or taking him to Burger King like Dylann Roof.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

THEIR life is ruined. This piece of sh*d kid deserves no sympathy.

Because they decided to loot and steal and they were shot by a business owner.
Sorry no sympathy there.
Talk about a Piece of sh*t...

edit before I post. Was the shooter the business owner or not?
Ive read he was and Ive read that he was just a vigilante looking to shoot someone.

Either way. WHole lot of protestors there who didnt get shot. Only one that got shot was a thief not a protestor.

Lets not conflate the two.

[cuervo72]

17yo kid who came from ILLINOIS with his militia.

Whole lotta protesters who didn't travel two states over to shoot three people.

[cuervo72]

Whole lotta protesters in Charlottesville who didn't get mowed down by cars!

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

17yo kid who came from ILLINOIS with his militia.

Whole lotta protesters who didn't travel two states over to shoot three people.

The idiot lives 20 miles from the place where he shot the guy. Let's not sensationalize it with "2 states away"

Antioch Il to Kenosha WI.
Sounds like he also worked in Kenosha which is why he was there.
There are varying stories of the 'business was his familiy's', or 'the business was his friends family's' or similar.

This "armed militia" were 3 guys coming to protect their business.


Its sucks all around. For sure. I dont agree with shooting the man, but I also dont agree with stealing.

And I'm just saying if someone breaks into my home or business and Im there Im shooting and Ill feel no remorse.

[cuervo72]

So he drives 20 miles away, at night (weeknight, don't know if Antioch has school yet)...to protect his business? Seems like a stretch. Maybe that will turn out to be the case, or maybe this is people trying to justify his behavior. We'll see when more facts come out. But...he is 17 and open carrying. He allowed to?

Oh, and after this he walks up to the police, still armed, and they drive right by him. They had to detain him later. WTF is that??

[lungs]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

The idiot lives 20 miles from the place where he shot the guy. Let's not sensationalize it with "2 states away"

Antioch Il to Kenosha WI.
Sounds like he also worked in Kenosha which is why he was there.
There are varying stories of the 'business was his familiy's', or 'the business was his friends family's' or similar.

This "armed militia" were 3 guys coming to protect their business.


Its sucks all around. For sure. I dont agree with shooting the man, but I also dont agree with stealing.

And I'm just saying if someone breaks into my home or business and Im there Im shooting and Ill feel no remorse.

To be clear, there definitely was militia and boogaloos in Kenosha. A group called the Kenosha Guard had been hastily put together and descended on Kenosha yesterday with predictable consequences.

17 year olds can not legally open carry in Wisconsin so this kid was breaking the law the second he brandished a weapon.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by lungs

To be clear, there definitely was militia and boogaloos in Kenosha. A group called the Kenosha Guard had been hastily put together and descended on Kenosha yesterday with predictable consequences.

17 year olds can not legally open carry in Wisconsin so this kid was breaking the law the second he brandished a weapon.

good info. thanks.
seriously.

That's why I hate the current media situation. I dont feel like anyone gives accurate info with spin.

[lungs]

Also, the video shows the kid being attacked. This was after he had already murdered somebody. Unclear what led up to the initial shooting.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

Because they decided to loot and steal and they were shot by a business owner.
Sorry no sympathy there.
Talk about a Piece of sh*t...

edit before I post. Was the shooter the business owner or not?
Ive read he was and Ive read that he was just a vigilante looking to shoot someone.

Either way. WHole lot of protestors there who didnt get shot. Only one that got shot was a thief not a protestor.

Lets not conflate the two.

good of you to side with the terrorist instead of the victims with your made up anecdote...

[RainMaker]

It is legal for someone under 18 to open carry in that state. So while you are pointing out that some people are thieves (we have no clue what the people he shot were doing that night), note that this young man was a criminal himself who committed the murder.

[JPhillips]

And apparently the cops believe protestors were violating curfew, but cop supporters weren't.

[ISiddiqui]

It amazes me that people try to search out for all sorts of exculpatory reasons for a white guy who shoots up protestors, but a black guy who gets shot by the cops gets blamed for every little thing he doesn't do perfect.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

It amazes me that people try to search out for all sorts of exculpatory reasons for a white guy who shoots up protestors, but a black guy who gets shot by the cops gets blamed for every little thing he doesn't do perfect.

No Ive never said that.
Dont put those words in my mouth.
I specifically said both are wrong.

The kid's life is over and I have no remorse for him because he was dumb to go there, illegally carry a weapon, and see what happens.

But I also dont think we can ignore that victim 1 was shot inside a store with the front busted out of it. Victim 2 and 3 were attacking the shooter. So it sint like this due was just arbitrarily spraying innocent protestors.

Its not a bridge too far to say both were wrong.

I dont condone lawlessness and stupidity from ANY PARTY. LEO or "protestor" or vigilante.
Hell if you want an eye for an eye lets execute the cop and the 17 year old. Are you happy then?

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

No Ive never said that.
Dont put those words in my mouth.
I specifically said both are wrong.

Decent folks on both sides? And yeah, you did. The kid is being charged with 1st degree intentional murder. The 2nd and 3rd victims were running down the street to stop a murderer. Stop trying to make excuses for the white kid who murdered someone.

I literally can't remember the last time people who were shot trying to chase down a murderer got blamed for getting shot.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

Let's not sensationalize it with "2 states away"

Fairly certain the states get brought up because it is a federal crime to carry the weapon over state lines. Also Barr made a big stink about doling out federal charges to anyone crossing state lines to commit crimes. Something this individual would align with.

[BillyMadison]

This is so, so bad.

This police chief said a white 17 year old murdered two people “to resolve a situation” and that “people shouldn’t be out after curfew.” We see how police protect and act as accomplices to white assailants from the start. This is so racist and sick, yet on brand for police. https://t.co/1idQVxB2eq

— Trevon D Logan (@TrevonDLogan) August 26, 2020

Also, there is video of the Police last night telling Militia, including the alleged gunman, "we appreciate you! We really do." And giving them water. You can see the Gunman in the video is the one with the orange pack around his waist and backwards hat, walking around the police videos. He's the killer as per this later photo:

https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/u...4d9ade1ff5.jpg

Cell phone footage shows Kenosha police telling armed insurrectionists, “We appreciate you guys. We really do,” and giving them bottles of water. Shortly after this video was taken, one of these men shot and killed two protesters and wounded another.

pic.twitter.com/ORN31z9IMw

— Shannon Watts (@shannonrwatts) August 26, 2020

HOLD UP...!!!!!!@shannonrwatts

ISN'T THE GUY SHOWN IN THIS VIDEO, THE SAME ONE WHO SHOT & KILLED PEOPLE... ???? pic.twitter.com/qrTs2xpEWs

— Jake Lobin (@JakeLobin) August 26, 2020

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by BillyMadison

This is so, so bad.

This police chief said a white 17 year old murdered two people “to resolve a situation” and that “people shouldn’t be out after curfew.” We see how police protect and act as accomplices to white assailants from the start. This is so racist and sick, yet on brand for police. https://t.co/1idQVxB2eq

— Trevon D Logan (@TrevonDLogan) August 26, 2020

Also, there is video of the Police last night telling Militia, including the alleged gunman, "we appreciate you! We really do." And giving them water. You can see the Gunman in the video is the one with the orange pack around his waist and backwards hat, walking around the police videos. He's the killer as per this later photo:

https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/u...4d9ade1ff5.jpg

Cell phone footage shows Kenosha police telling armed insurrectionists, “We appreciate you guys. We really do,” and giving them bottles of water. Shortly after this video was taken, one of these men shot and killed two protesters and wounded another.

pic.twitter.com/ORN31z9IMw

— Shannon Watts (@shannonrwatts) August 26, 2020

Holy shit, pretty sure this is not going ease tensions any. Wow....

[RainMaker]

BuzzFeed finds the teenage Kenosha murder suspect in the front row of a Trump 2020 rally. https://t.co/64dSSk00Oc pic.twitter.com/5kEs4Ck0R4

— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) August 26, 2020

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Decent folks on both sides? And yeah, you did. The kid is being charged with 1st degree intentional murder. The 2nd and 3rd victims were running down the street to stop a murderer. Stop trying to make excuses for the white kid who murdered someone.

I literally can't remember the last time people who were shot trying to chase down a murderer got blamed for getting shot.

I literally never said these words.
"Decent folks on both sides"
In fact is aid the opposite. Criminals on both sides, kill em both.

And let me play the game your way, "Stop trying to make excuses for minority criminal who get killed while committing their crimes."

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

I literally never said these words.
"Decent folks on both sides"
In fact is aid the opposite. Criminals on both sides, kill em both.

And let me play the game your way, "Stop trying to make excuses for minority criminal who get killed while committing their crimes."

Even with all that has been wrong on your statements on this, you are still amazingly clinging to if you steal (which hasn't been shown to even have been the case here!!) you deserve to be executed.

And I'm sure you know exactly what the reference to folks on both sides pertains to.

[RainMaker]

If you remember the "gun rights" group that CU Tiger supports, his posts make a lot more sense.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by bronconick

It was either that or taking him to Burger King like Dylann Roof.

It's Wisconsin, Culvers all the way.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Even with all that has been wrong on your statements on this, you are still amazingly clinging to if you steal (which hasn't been shown to even have been the case here!!) you deserve to be executed.

And I'm sure you know exactly what the reference to folks on both sides pertains to.

1) I dont know what the reference pertains to. Please enlighten me.
2) I dont believe that if you steal you deserve to die, and I dont believe that if you drive drunk you deserve to die. However I do think its a reasonable possible consequence and I dont feel sorry for you if it happens to you.

[RainMaker]

Who says the people who were shot were stealing?

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

1) I dont know what the reference pertains to. Please enlighten me.
2) I dont believe that if you steal you deserve to die, and I dont believe that if you drive drunk you deserve to die. However I do think its a reasonable possible consequence and I dont feel sorry for you if it happens to you.

1) Trump Charlottesville
2) That is a morally reprehensible position in is callousness toward life

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Who says the people who were shot were stealing?

Only CU Tiger (possibly some folks on Twitter I guess) it seems.

[CU Tiger]

- edit -
on second thought my family doesnt need their business out there like that.

adios

[Edward64]

The current reports are confusing and I don't know the sequence of events.

In a video it did look as if the kid was assaulted (or was it a different armed person?). No idea if it was in self-defense or not, if it was after he shot someone etc.

I'll reserved judgement until things become more clear.


* * * * *

I will say that if I owned a store and protecting it, I would stay in the store or in the doorway with my weapon out telling folks not to mess with me. If I was assaulted while in my store/doorway, I would have no problem shooting someone (but would try to shoot at the ground first).

The kid looked as if he was away from the store and although I would trust a 17 year old with an AR to go hunting, I sure as heck wouldn't trust a 17 year old with protecting my store in a really tense situation (or at least put him in the back of the store).

The story will unfold sooner or later.

[GrantDawg]

I don't know if it will, Edward. This feels like there are going to be two sets of "facts" that are going to be believed by two groups of people. No matter how solid the actual facts might be exposed, those groups are not going to be moved.

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[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

Rainmaker, this will be the last time I ever address you. This may be the last time Im ever allowed to post on this board, and if so. I'll accept that.
But FUCK YOU.
This is the 5th or 6th time you've made a not so thinly veiled accusation of me being a racist. I cant imagine a worse accusation you could throw at me. I don't talk a ton about my private life, but Im going to let it out a bit now for a grand finale.
I was raised by foster parents. The MAN I refer to as dad is Black, not African American, Black - his words. My oldest child, a daughter, is half black. I also have an adopted daughter I am raising as my own and have since she was 8 months old and she is black.
This isn't some static "Some of my closest friends are black" stereotype. This is my life. I've dealt with the realities of a daughter who was bi-racial for 23 years. Ive seen her ostracized and hurt and dried her tears because of the ignorance and meanness of others. Ive watched my youngest struggle with why dont I look like Mommy and Daddy. I held her dad's hand by his bedside when he passed far too young from cancer. I promised him she'd never be without a dad. When her mom was arrested a month later his parents asked that we be given custody.
I have 19 employees today. 7 of them are black. My #2 in my company that I hired trained and groomed to run the place is a black man.
I think my reputation and my heart speak for themselves to anyone who knows me. I dont need to defend my heart but Ive sat silent on it too long.

So you go live in your bullshit white guilt gated sub division neighborhood alife nd pretend to be an activist. Pretend to care and project your deficiencies on anyone else.

But dont you dare cast your bullshit on me you fucking piece of shit. Again I say 'Fuck You' rot in hell you piece of shit. You want to trigger someone?
Consider me triggered you asshole.
If you ever make the mistake of meeting me in person I will deliver this message to your face as well.

With that, I bid you farewell FOFC...and I go out the way I always live. I expect and accept the consequences of my actions. But I will die for my convictions before I compromise my beliefs.

I don't have to call you a racist, you did by stating your views align with a group that finds Timothy McVeigh a hero, speaks at events where blacks are labeled subuman, and rails against the 14th Amendment. A group that proudly donated to a white supremacist group named "Aryan bastions of Canada, Australia, the United States, South Africa and Europe" (or CAUSE for short).

A group run by a guy who wanted to give out awards to places that banned Muslims. Someone who blamed the pastor and not Dylann Roof for the slaughter in a church. Who called the Aurora theater shooting a false flag. Not to mention all the veiled talks of the upcoming race war.

You stated who your views align with. It's cool you have a black friend or whatever that absolves you of your financial support for that reprehensible group.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

- edit -
on second thought my family doesnt need their business out there like that.

adios

Let it go. Just ignore him (and others like him) and tell him to ignore your posts. Can't argue with a person whose favorite insult defaults to "you're a non-ADL racist".

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Even with all that has been wrong on your statements on this, you are still amazingly clinging to if you steal (which hasn't been shown to even have been the case here!!) you deserve to be executed.

And I'm sure you know exactly what the reference to folks on both sides pertains to.

So if someone was looting your store that you put a lot of hard work into, what would you do? Just let them get away so they can loot another store?

[Ksyrup]

Must have been lots of white noise. https://t.co/XPNiNfa0he

— Marcher Lord Fred (@LesserFrederick) August 26, 2020

[RainMaker]

Just a refresher:

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

GOA and USCCA are both much better run organizations. more aligned with my viewpoints.

Larry Pratt Agrees Race War Will Pit 'Christian, Heterosexual White Haves' Against 'Black Muslim and/or Atheist…Have-Nots' | Right Wing Watch

Last week, we reported that Larry Pratt of Gun Owners of America joined conservative talk show host Stan Solomon to warn about President Obama’s alleged plans to incite violence and bring about a race war against white Americans.

We found another interview between Pratt and Solomon from January, in which they went into even more detail about the looming race war and denounced new legislative efforts to prevent gun violence.

Pratt claimed that “some kind of social implosion” is inevitable during Obama’s second term, and that “it would be a wonderful surprise if it did not happen.”

Solomon specifically claimed that under President Obama we will witness attacks “on Christian, heterosexual white haves by black, Muslim and/or atheist — not that there’s much difference — black have-nots.”

He warned that “if you are a white person in this country, and this holds for all quality people of any color, but I’m saying specifically if you are a white, heterosexual, Christian, working, married person” and don’t own a gun, then “there is at least a substantial chance that you and/or some member of your family will be hurt and/or killed.”

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

So if someone was looting your store that you put a lot of hard work into, what would you do? Just let them get away so they can loot another store?

Your first impulse is to kill another human? Wouldn't you have insurance? And if you felt the need to confront them, wouldn't using non lethal force be your first resource? Even the people saying it was looters without evidence aren't saying he feared for his life.

[Radii]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

So if someone was looting your store that you put a lot of hard work into, what would you do? Just let them get away so they can loot another store?

I'd rather deal with my insurance than a self defense/not guilty plea at a trial, and above all else I'd prefer to not take another human life.

[GrantDawg]

I am sorry, Nobodyhere. I would never kill someone over "things".

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[NobodyHere]

What "non lethal force" would you use against a looter? And if a person has insurance then they should just let people steal from them?

It's a shame that you put more thought into defending looters than the victims they steal from.

[GrantDawg]

I don't believe in the death sentence for minor crimes. I am sorry you feel human life has so little value.

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[NobodyHere]

Is looting a minor crime to you? How about arson?