Werewolf LXXV - Rise of the Great Old Ones -Students Win!!!!

[Mrs. Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Axxon

Racer, RendeR or Mrs Scmidty, did any of you have Pass pegged as the Arcane Collector?

Not at all, I was blindsided by that one.

[Axxon]

Originally Posted by path12

Axxon, I'm really trying to understand where you're coming from here. I was under the impression, after EagleFan was lynched, that we would lynch in some order Telle (because now Mrs. S' story had been halfway verified) or Alan (as we had found out the day before that he was a wolf).

Since Mrs. S' story had been halfway verified, there was general confusion (that Alan tried to stoke) about who had the book, what was the book and who would be most dangerous with the book. But I thought there was agreement that the wolves would have it in one way or the other.

So how I'm reading your argument is that since the book wasn't found on either Telle or Alan post-death then a villager has it and that's why the wolves might target Pass if he revealed? I guess my assumption is that it got passed to another wolf and they still have it.......and that whoever possesses the book becomes "The Bearer of the Necromicon".

Does that make sense?

No, my argument is that when asked why he'd reveal when the wolves would want to kill him since they would know only he could steal the book back he said he hadn't thought about that and didn't realize that Telle had been the bearer of the Necronomicon.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Axxon

Post 1841 in answering if you both had the same victory conditions.

Thanks. So THAT adds up to you? He just wins when the students win?

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by path12

Heh. I got cranky yesterday too.

Is that Mrs. Path posting under this account?

[Axxon]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Thanks. So THAT adds up to you? He just wins when the students win?

Sure, he's just an arcane book collector. Nothing even remotely evil with that. Lots of people collect stuff but trust me, no way the Order of R'lyeh lets someone hold that book that's not being corrupted by it. Miss that kind of power? I think not.

Clearly you're not trying to say that he was saying having the book didn't matter?

[Axxon]

Originally Posted by Mrs. Schmidty

Not at all, I was blindsided by that one.

So, none of the three known good people thought you were the Arcane Collector Pass. That's not so good for your argument that it was obvious.

[path12]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Is that Mrs. Path posting under this account?

Did she get cranky? I would be shocked! Shocked, I say!

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Axxon

Sure, he's just an arcane book collector. Nothing even remotely evil with that. Lots of people collect stuff but trust me, no way the Order of R'lyeh lets someone hold that book that's not being corrupted by it. Miss that kind of power? I think not.

Clearly you're not trying to say that he was saying having the book didn't matter?

That's how I read it. What do you think he was saying?

[Mrs. Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Axxon

Ironically, Mrs Schmidty was all lonely earlier and now that we're talking she's quiet as a churchmouse.

haha I realized just how much time I had spent reading this thing earlier I had to break away for a bit

I'm playing catch up now.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Axxon

So, none of the three known good people thought you were the Arcane Collector Pass. That's not so good for your argument that it was obvious.

I guess I wasn't being that obvious, after all! Ask path what made him think it!

[path12]

Originally Posted by Axxon

No, my argument is that when asked why he'd reveal when the wolves would want to kill him since they would know only he could steal the book back he said he hadn't thought about that and didn't realize that Telle had been the bearer of the Necronomicon.

OK, thanks. I get that now. Not sure I'm going with you on the part about Telle being the Bearer, but I see your point on the first part.

[Axxon]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

That's how I read it. What do you think he was saying?

There's no use continuing this one. You're spinning so fast that I'm afraid you'll get thread burn.

[Axxon]

Originally Posted by path12

OK, thanks. I get that now. Not sure I'm going with you on the part about Telle being the Bearer, but I see your point on the first part.

The point isn't specifically Telle it's the fact that the books clearly had the book.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Axxon

There's no use continuing this one. You're spinning so fast that I'm afraid you'll get thread burn.

Then let me ask this: Why do you think the Arcane Collector is listed in the rules as "Other Roles"?

[Racer]

Originally Posted by Axxon

I thought a student win was a win for all students dead or alive? I mean, if the students win did Henry lose by sacrificing himself? I think not.

In Pass's BCS game, only Swaggs and I technically won and we were good guys.

[oliegirl]

I'm out for a little while, taking my puppies to the park to get some exercise. Be back long before deadline though...

[path12]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I guess I wasn't being that obvious, after all! Ask path what made him think it!

I would go back and pull quotes, but frankly I just don't feel like doing that right now. Suffice to say that once he started asking questions about majors and pushing Telle as the lynch I went back to the rules and tried to figure out where he might fit in, and that's what I came up with.

It seemed clear he had some sort of role. That was just my guess. I wouldn't have mentioned it if he'd been up for lynch because I have no way of knowing.

[path12]

Dola, replace "he" with "you". I responded like I was talking to Axxon.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Racer

In Pass's BCS game, only Swaggs and I technically won and we were good guys.

Well in that game, no one died, so I don't think that really applies!

[Axxon]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Then let me ask this: Why do you think the Arcane Collector is listed in the rules as "Other Roles"?

Because you HAVE to get the Necronomicon to win. I think it's obvious. You have to get the book and the students have to win.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Axxon

The point isn't specifically Telle it's the fact that the books clearly had the book.

Wolves had the book, right?

[Axxon]

Originally Posted by Axxon

Because you HAVE to get the Necronomicon to win. I think it's obvious. You have to get the book and the students have to win.

Dola, replace "you" with "him". I responded like I was talking to Jets.

[Axxon]

Originally Posted by path12

Wolves had the book, right?

Correct sorry. Keep in mind when pressed, Pass said he was joking about that part.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Axxon

Dola, replace "you" with "him". I responded like I was talking to Jets.

Good, I'm not the only one confused in this conversation!

[Axxon]

Originally Posted by path12

Good, I'm not the only one confused in this conversation!

Sometimes I'm confused but I'm not confused about which one I believe is the wolf.

[Passacaglia]

It sounds like you're putting words in Jets mouth -- all he said is he wins when the students win, right? Why are you pushing so hard for him?

I don't think I said I was joking about that -- my jokes are usually completely off-topic. I was joking about olie calling it obvious when I said that.

[Mrs. Schmidty]

Going out on an unpopular limb here, but I velieve Pass. The quote back in the 1400's about Alan not going after him and Alan telling the truth (something along those lines, not going searching at the moment), for Pass to make that kind of comment as a wolf would be plain stupid and he's not a noob. That would be something I might do to be sneaky, but even I wouldnt' because it would cleary be bad bad bad. I think he was just trying to be sly and say he's not worth killing, or not on the list of those to kill (villagers). Gut says Pass is telling the truth.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Axxon

Correct sorry. Keep in mind when pressed, Pass said he was joking about that part.

Here's the part that bothers me. Let's say Pass is a R'Yleh lovin' wolfy bastard. It's clearly stated in the rules that there are at least one of all the listed roles. He's got three of his fellow baddies gone.

Why on earth do you assume ANY risk and make a fake reveal? Now is the time to bury yourself, and bury yourself deep.

[Mrs. Schmidty]

velieve=believe but with a stong accent by The Count. (Sesame Street)

[Axxon]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

It sounds like you're putting words in Jets mouth -- all he said is he wins when the students win, right? Why are you pushing so hard for him?

I don't think I said I was joking about that -- my jokes are usually completely off-topic. I was joking about olie calling it obvious when I said that.

Post 1986 by me quoting you.

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Yeah, I hadn't thought about them targeting me for my ability. I've kind of considered it pretty worthless. But I dunno, maybe Jets will disagree with that!

Had you just stopped there without adding the second part I'd be more inclined to believe you.

Post 1988. you quoted me and added

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

That was meant to be a joke. Probably just from the frustration of not being believed. But I don't think you would have believed me enough to vote for Jets if it came down to the two of us tomorrow, anyway.

Now, where did Olie come into this again??

[Passacaglia]

My bad -- by "the second part" I thought you meant the thing about Jets disgreeing with me.

[Passacaglia]

As for olie, I assumed if you talked about something I said was a joke, that it was probably about olie. Again, my bad.

[Axxon]

Originally Posted by Mrs. Schmidty

Going out on an unpopular limb here, but I velieve Pass. The quote back in the 1400's about Alan not going after him and Alan telling the truth (something along those lines, not going searching at the moment), for Pass to make that kind of comment as a wolf would be plain stupid and he's not a noob. That would be something I might do to be sneaky, but even I wouldnt' because it would cleary be bad bad bad. I think he was just trying to be sly and say he's not worth killing, or not on the list of those to kill (villagers). Gut says Pass is telling the truth.

So that one post wipes out all the inconsistencies since then? He was too good a player to make that truthful statement but a tactical mistake but he isn't a good enough player not to keep contridicting himself since then?

I guess it's possible and I'm not trying to convince you you're wrong but I'm not about to buy it myself.

[path12]

OOTP is downloaded! See ya.

[Passacaglia]

Contradicting myself? Wha?

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by path12

OOTP is downloaded! See ya.

Aw.

[Axxon]

Originally Posted by path12

Here's the part that bothers me. Let's say Pass is a R'Yleh lovin' wolfy bastard. It's clearly stated in the rules that there are at least one of all the listed roles. He's got three of his fellow baddies gone.

Why on earth do you assume ANY risk and make a fake reveal? Now is the time to bury yourself, and bury yourself deep.

Contrarywise, if you're the wolf why do you blow your cover to counterreveal when you can just kill pass assuring he can't steal the book?

I honestly can't figure out either motive but the preponderance of the evidence states that Pass has more inconsistencies in his story and since I don't trust either one of them, I'm choosing to vote for the more inconsistent.

[Axxon]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Contradicting myself? Wha?

It's like the part about thinking I was talking about Olie. It makes no sense. Read the posts. Everything I mention you have a tortured explanation for. Never the most obvious one. Maybe contradiction is the wrong term but you have either the wrong term, or the wrong idea of what was being discussed all the time.

[Passacaglia]

I'll admit we've had some communication problem, but I don't think I've been contradicting myself!

[Mrs. Schmidty]

As of post 2039:

9 Lonestargirl: Racer (1737), Passacaglia (1738), Render (1748), Axxon (1749), JetsIn06 (1752), Mrs. Schmidty (1770), Path12 (1773), Oliegirl (1776), PurdueBrad (1797)

[Axxon]

I believe I just said contradiction may be the wrong word but you don't have a straight answer for anything and every explanation you offer requires a great suspension of disbelief.

[Axxon]

Originally Posted by Mrs. Schmidty

As of post 2039:

9 Lonestargirl: Racer (1737), Passacaglia (1738), Render (1748), Axxon (1749), JetsIn06 (1752), Mrs. Schmidty (1770), Path12 (1773), Oliegirl (1776), PurdueBrad (1797)

That couldn't have been fun wading through all those posts making sure that was correct.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Axxon

I believe I just said contradiction may be the wrong word but you don't have a straight answer for anything and every explanation you offer requires a great suspension of disbelief.

Fair enough.

[Mrs. Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Axxon

That couldn't have been fun wading through all those posts making sure that was correct.

haha I actually keep tally on my desktop and try to stay relatively caught up with the thread so I can just add the one or two that pop up here or there. I think right now we only need Chief's vote.

[Axxon]

Originally Posted by Mrs. Schmidty

haha I actually keep tally on my desktop and try to stay relatively caught up with the thread so I can just add the one or two that pop up here or there. I think right now we only need Chief's vote.

He didn't do a conditional like he's been doing?

[Passacaglia]

Chief works Mondays and Tuesdays -- on other days, he doesn't need to do a conditional.

[Passacaglia]

And in ten minutes, I'm out running, then to figure out dinner, then spend the evening with lurker (my wife). I'll try to pop in and answer any questions, but if you really want something answered, best to ask now!

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I think I've proven myself more interested in helping the villagers than you this game. You've mostly cast suspicion on our roled characters. I have to go in ten minutes, but will try to answer questions while I am here.

This post after all the pushing and shoving and cajoling I had to do to get people moving on EF and being proven correct. Really bothers me. Still.

Add that to today's constant floundering around answers and meanings and reveals and frnakly pass. I'm not buying your story right now.

You're normally a very straightforward fact by fact player. You lead conversations and you post page long derivations of what is known and what it could mean. In this game you've been evasive, accusitory and haven't really posted anything longer than a paragraph at any given time.

I'm hoping Racer and Mrs. S take a good long look at you soon.

You're making my guts churn every time you post.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by RendeR

This post after all the pushing and shoving and cajoling I had to do to get people moving on EF and being proven correct. Really bothers me. Still.

Add that to today's constant floundering around answers and meanings and reveals and frnakly pass. I'm not buying your story right now.

You're normally a very straightforward fact by fact player. You lead conversations and you post page long derivations of what is known and what it could mean. In this game you've been evasive, accusitory and haven't really posted anything longer than a paragraph at any given time.

I'm hoping Racer and Mrs. S take a good long look at you soon.

You're making my guts churn every time you post.

Seriously. No reason to scan me. Like I've been saying all along, save the scan on someone else. It's looking like the vote's going to be on me tomorrow the way things are now, and I'm fine with that. Use the scan on someone else tonight, and if you think I'm a wolf tomorrow, that's fine.

[Passacaglia]

I guess I should be saying: save the scan FOR someone else. My bad.