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Old 09-18-2020, 03:03 PM   #27851
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Also kind of insane that it seems to have just now occurred to them that by leaving Puerto Rico completely devastated, they might incentivize people to leave and move to Florida.

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Old 09-18-2020, 03:21 PM   #27852
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And now this, alleged deal to avoid extradition for Assange

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Old 09-18-2020, 03:44 PM   #27853
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This statue of Melania is not what I expected.

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Old 09-18-2020, 03:48 PM   #27854
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Still better than the Lucille Ball statue.

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Old 09-18-2020, 03:55 PM   #27855
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Dems backing off of a marijuana leagalization bill because of the fear that the GOP might use it against them is so damned on-brand.

The absolute dumbest party to ever exist. Who's the scapegoat going to be when they lose to a reality TV host again this time?

They find popular positions and then torpedo them because they're afraid to upset some Republicans who will never vote for them (despite them thinking they can sway them).

2016 should have seen the implosion of the party and new leadership put in from top to bottom.
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Old 09-18-2020, 03:55 PM   #27856
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This statue of Melania is not what I expected.


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Old 09-18-2020, 06:22 PM   #27857
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My neighbor just put up a flag pole. American flag. Cool. Then a big ol' Trump 2020 flag. And he is on the side I drive past. Great.
Wanted me to jimp in a picture with him and the flag. Told him no. He asked dont you support the president. I said no. I did follow up with I do not support our political system or either major party.
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Old 09-18-2020, 06:28 PM   #27858
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My neighbor just put up a flag pole. American flag. Cool. Then a big ol' Trump 2020 flag. And he is on the side I drive past. Great.
Wanted me to jimp in a picture with him and the flag. Told him no. He asked dont you support the president. I said no. I did follow up with I do not support our political system or either major party.

This reminds me of a conversation I had at work with someone that really isn't very political. How many things has Trump ruined the perception of? If is see an American flag on your car I assume you're a Trump supporter.
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Old 09-18-2020, 06:35 PM   #27859
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Old 09-18-2020, 06:37 PM   #27860
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Oh fuck
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Old 09-18-2020, 06:39 PM   #27861
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McConnell will do the right thing I'm sure.
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Old 09-18-2020, 06:40 PM   #27862
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Good bye Roe v Wade (among others). It was nice knowing you.

It's going to be great when McConnell just ignores the whole can't fill a SCOTUS position in the election year thing.

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Old 09-18-2020, 06:41 PM   #27863
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Old 09-18-2020, 06:41 PM   #27864
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McConnell will do the right thing I'm sure.

Of course he will, just like before.....

Hype aside, this is now definitely the most important election of our lifetime.
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Old 09-18-2020, 06:44 PM   #27865
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Good bye Roe v Wade (among others). It was nice knowing you.

It's going to be great when McConnell just ignores the whole can't fill a SCOTUS position in the election year thing.

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He's already said he will and laughed while saying it.
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Old 09-18-2020, 06:44 PM   #27866
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Oh no, sad to hear. McConnell will keep the seat open until after the election to help drive up GOP turnout and then he'll ram it through in the lame duck after Biden wins.

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Old 09-18-2020, 08:06 PM   #27867
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Journalistic equivalent to premature ejaculation.

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Old 09-18-2020, 08:51 PM   #27868
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Old 09-18-2020, 09:02 PM   #27869
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Meanwhile, somewhere in his crypt, Mitch has cracked open a bottle of his finest Kentucky bourbon and is deciding whether it's more advantageous to hold the seat until after the election to ramp up Trump enthusiasm and ram it through in the lame duck or do it before the election so they can rule in Trump v Biden. I mean, I'm sure he's already made this calculation but that's what I'm picturing in my head.

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Old 09-18-2020, 09:06 PM   #27870
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Ted Cruz has already said the nomination and vote must come before the election. The most punchable face in America has spoken.

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Old 09-18-2020, 09:08 PM   #27871
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Also, Biden announced tonight if they do ram through a justice this year, the Dems will add two seats to the Supreme Court next year.

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Old 09-18-2020, 09:09 PM   #27872
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Meanwhile, somewhere in his crypt, Mitch has cracked open a bottle of his finest Kentucky bourbon and is deciding whether it's more advantageous to hold the seat until after the election to ramp up Trump enthusiasm and ram it through in the lame duck or do it before the election so they can rule in Trump v Biden. I mean, I'm sure he's already made this calculation but that's what I'm picturing in my head.

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Old 09-18-2020, 09:12 PM   #27873
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Meanwhile, somewhere in his crypt, Mitch has cracked open a bottle of his finest Kentucky bourbon and is deciding whether it's more advantageous to hold the seat until after the election to ramp up Trump enthusiasm and ram it through in the lame duck or do it before the election so they can rule in Trump v Biden. I mean, I'm sure he's already made this calculation but that's what I'm picturing in my head.

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I think they'll try to ram it through in the lame duck, especially if Biden wins. They'll use it as a life line to Trump and endangered Senators to help drum up GOP support in the election. Better vote for us or Biden will nominate a radical liberal. If there's a Trump v. Biden election case they can rule with 8 justices and at best Roberts could force a tie.
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Old 09-18-2020, 09:17 PM   #27874
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Shoot if Trump loses he will try and coerce the supreme court to overturn the election and declare him the winner. OR he will declare martial law and become our first dictator.

The question is, does the military back Trump?
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Old 09-18-2020, 09:32 PM   #27875
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Also, Biden announced tonight if they do ram through a justice this year, the Dems will add two seats to the Supreme Court next year.

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I haven't seen this anywhere but I've been doing other stuff, too. Where did you see this?

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Old 09-18-2020, 09:43 PM   #27876
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Read it on Twitter from a reporter, but it might have been wishful thinking.

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Old 09-18-2020, 09:46 PM   #27877
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If Biden wins it will be much harder for McConnell to hold 50 votes in the lame duck session. It's much safer to do it before the election.
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Old 09-18-2020, 09:52 PM   #27878
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If you think Trump is going to go down in flames and you want to jockey for position in the non-Trump wing of the GOP, this might be a good chance.

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Old 09-18-2020, 09:58 PM   #27879
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If Kelley wins in Arizona, according to election law there he could actually be seated November 30th. McSally has already said she wants to vote on Trump's choice. That might be a consideration on the time line.

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Old 09-18-2020, 10:33 PM   #27880
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If you think Trump is going to go down in flames and you want to jockey for position in the non-Trump wing of the GOP, this might be a good chance.

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That's a ship of fools. The GOP isn't going back to something reasonable so soon. This will get worse in 22 and 24.
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Old 09-19-2020, 07:07 AM   #27881
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He's on the shortlist for nomination. I talked about doing something to spite the other side for laughs? This would qualify if they nominated him knowing they had the votes to make it happen.
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Old 09-19-2020, 09:42 AM   #27882
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I think RBG passing away now and pro life pro choice now becoming a key issue in the election benefits Trump and other state races. Even though conservatives hate Trump or say McSally they will now turn out and vote R instead of third party or stay home.
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Old 09-19-2020, 09:45 AM   #27883
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Yeah, this will give Trump a boost that makes things uncomfortably close.

Anything that keeps the focus away from the awful COVID response and bad economy is good for him

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Old 09-19-2020, 09:57 AM   #27884
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I'll wait for polling, but I'm not sure it will work that way.

Are their a large number of conservative SCOTUS voters not already motivated to vote for Trump?

Will this motivate people on the left that might have been less motivated for Biden?

Will suburban GOP defectors, which skew heavily female, go back to the GOP in order to kill Roe?

Will the pending death of the ACA become a bigger campaign issue?
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Old 09-19-2020, 10:02 AM   #27885
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There also has to be a portion of voters who see the blatant hypocrisy.
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Old 09-19-2020, 10:49 AM   #27886
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There also has to be a portion of voters who see the blatant hypocrisy.

This

No GOP Trumpist is swayed by this but the middle who thinks of this as pure unbridled hypocrisy will vote in huge numbers for any anti McC and anti Trump candidate.
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Old 09-19-2020, 11:48 AM   #27887
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Yeah, I just don't see many people who are concerned about the SCOTUS not already being motivated to vote. This is going to help drive liberal turnout as well - as the SCOTUS is going to be 6-3 conservative and the swing vote is no long Roberts, but Kavanaugh.

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Old 09-19-2020, 12:25 PM   #27888
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They knew the stakes in 2016 and either didn't vote or voted for Jill Stein. I just don't think people on the left care as much about the Supreme Court. Maybe Ginsburg's death awakens them but I doubt it.
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Old 09-19-2020, 12:28 PM   #27889
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I think the whole Kavanaugh experience and the fact that this is RBG's seat is going to wake a lot of liberal folks up. I have seen a lot of fired up liberals on social media, even those who haven't been super excited about Biden in the past.

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Old 09-19-2020, 12:30 PM   #27890
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I'll wait for polling, but I'm not sure it will work that way.

Are their a large number of conservative SCOTUS voters not already motivated to vote for Trump?

Will this motivate people on the left that might have been less motivated for Biden?

Will suburban GOP defectors, which skew heavily female, go back to the GOP in order to kill Roe?

Will the pending death of the ACA become a bigger campaign issue?
One other factor here: if they ram a nominee through before the election, it makes it a HECK of a lot easier for pro-life folks who also despise Trump (like me) to vote for Biden and would push me much more toward a punish-the-Republicans all Dem vote. You're telling me I can vote full-out against Trumpism AND have a SCOTUS likely to strike down Roe v Wade??? Uh, yeah, sign me up.

(No, I don't believe for one second Dems will have the guts to add to the Court.)
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Old 09-19-2020, 12:36 PM   #27891
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On the "hypocrisy" front, I don't know that that moves the needle much. Isn't it a given that in the next 72 hours we're going to see multiple videos of Democrats from 2016 talking about how the sitting President's nominee MUST be seated??? I mean, I'm certain that OANN, Fox News, the Daily Caller, etc. etc. etc. have their grunt workers looking through the archives right now as I type this.

I wish someone on either side would have the chutzpah to just say "Bah, I don't give a crap about principles. That big steaming pile I said in 2016 was just to make it look good. All I really care about it getting MY person in!"
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Old 09-19-2020, 01:10 PM   #27892
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In a less dysfunctional system, this could actually inspire the parties to work together (pause for laughter) To jointly implement one of the several proposals out there to make the supreme court nomination process less high stakes. There are lots of proposals that set term limits for the justices so that each president can appoint the same number.

IBut am under no illusions such a proposal could actually pass.
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Old 09-19-2020, 01:13 PM   #27893
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Heh. I'm providing a link, but you don't really need to read this article. This little section sums it up:
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Old 09-19-2020, 01:13 PM   #27894
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The difference on hypocrisy is about who has the power to enact it. In both '16 and now, Republicans have control of the Senate so they are responsible. It's similar to how Schumer and Graham (and others) both flipped to the reverse of their positions on witnesses during the Clinton impeachment when it was Trump's impeachment that was on the docket. Both were shameless about it, but in that case each had one turn being on the team in charge. As the GOP discovered on health care etc., it's a lot easier to be a minority in snipe that it is to be in charge and actually do something. The next time Democrats are in charge in the Senate, I'm interested to see how they use that power.

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Old 09-19-2020, 01:33 PM   #27895
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No GOP Trumpist is swayed by this but the middle who thinks of this as pure unbridled hypocrisy will vote in huge numbers for any anti McC and anti Trump candidate.

These people you speak of don't exist.
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Old 09-19-2020, 01:38 PM   #27896
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Heh. I'm providing a link, but you don't really need to read this article. This little section sums it up:Mitch McConnell’s Calculation - The Bulwark

This +1000. This was really the worst-case scenario - guaranteed to get their judge PLUS tighten the presidential race. Putting aside the SC, this makes it that much more likely we will have a protracted fight over who wins between Biden and Trump, IMO. The fact that GOP can talk about anything other than Covid is a huge win.
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Old 09-19-2020, 02:11 PM   #27897
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A group of Trumpers showed up at a Fairfax, VA early voting site and blocked people from entering for a bit. Hopefully this isn't the start of something bigger.
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Old 09-19-2020, 02:30 PM   #27898
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Old 09-19-2020, 02:42 PM   #27899
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Old 09-19-2020, 02:57 PM   #27900
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A group of Trumpers showed up at a Fairfax, VA early voting site and blocked people from entering for a bit. Hopefully this isn't the start of something bigger.

It is not voting by mail they oppose. It is voting.

They aren’t hiding it. Anyone who votes against the Democrats this year knows what they are signing up for. The fig leaves of, “I just care about small business” or “I just want things to be fair” are gone.
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