WW LXIX - Battlestar WereWolf - GAME OVER CYLONS WIN!

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

This makes me feel pretty good about claphamsa, since no attempt was coordinated to save him.

there was also no effort to lynch him.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by mauboy1

So, I'm wondering this:

I watched the show for the first few seasons, and I can't remember...

Do the Cylons ever show any hints of passing out from exhaustion?

Actually there are a number of scenes where Cylon-Humanoid models appear to be exhausted, injured, tired etc etc.

Not that that has any relevance here though =)

[path12]

Originally Posted by Lathum

there was also no effort to lynch him.

Actually there was a pretty damn good effort, there was a tie after all. I guess you could look at that as a failure, but you'd have to think that a fellow wolf would have switched to no lynch to prevent an uncertain tie resolution. Unless they were all already there.

I don't think it clears him by any stretch, but it tempts me to look elsewhere for now. Did anyone have anything happen?

[mauchow]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Actually there are a number of scenes where Cylon-Humanoid models appear to be exhausted, injured, tired etc etc.

Not that that has any relevance here though =)

I thought so! And sorry for trying to think that there'd be a message behind it. lmao

[claphamsa]

woo hoo!

Good news we won 9-1 gooder news I scored 4 goals and had 3 assist.
bad news The #1 socrer on my team scored the other 5, no scoring title for me

[Sonic Youth]

It was a quiet night by the looks of things last night. I didn't see anyone last night, and nothing happened that I saw.

[Narcizo]

Well that was a result then (no night kills). Anyone got a block to report? Otherwise I guess it might be due to location. Maybe the Cylon killer can only target one area. Although that seems a bit limiting for them. Or maybe they forgot their night orders (as seems pretty common here).

I agree with Path about Clap. It doesn't clear him by a long chalk, as it seems there weren't many people around at the deadline. But with there probably not being very many wolves it seems unlikely that they'd risk one of their numbers against a no lynch. In answer to Lath it's more likely that wolves would change a vote to protect one of their own rather than to lynch a villager. (Presumably) moving from no lynch to a lynch just to get a villager seems way too risky for a wolf to do. Admittedly moving from lynch to no lynch would be pretty risky as well but it might be worth it to protect a wolf if there are, say, only three of them.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by Sonic Youth

Unvote No Lynch

Vote Claphamsa.

Did the my rhetoric win you over or why did you switch your vote, Sonic? I would have thought that No Lynch is a matter of principle and I'm very interested in hearing why you would move off of it. Let's face it, there was really no evidence against Clap so why would you move from a no lynch to voting for him?

[Sonic Youth]

Claphamsa was on my radar for who he selected as his true vote, because he messed around with that. Plus, the person he voted for was one of two people who said they were human, though how much we can take that on at this stage is anyones guess. My no lynch was always a question mark. Clap's going to be after me now though

Which brings me on to something that RendeR mentioned, half human half Cylon. Which side will they be on, and could they swap sides at any time?

[Narcizo]

I'm guessing all the cylons are humanoid cylons, otherwise they would be fairly easy to spot.

Anyhoo, I can't think of any reason why we shouldn't reveal where we went the night before. Hopefully there will be useful information that we can gather from that. I went to the Battlestar Pegasus and didn't see anyone there. I agree with the general consensus that we shouldn't reveal where we are going though and I did find Jackal's post pretty confusing which, added with his lack of night action and the lack of night kill puts him at the top of my suspicious list.

[Sonic Youth]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

I'm guessing all the cylons are humanoid cylons, otherwise they would be fairly easy to spot.

Hence the war and the trust issues. What I was meaning was that to look at half clyon/human, they'll look human right? So how will we know which side they are on by looking at them? Will they swing sides? Just a thought.

[Sonic Youth]

And is there any out there I guess.

[Narcizo]

Um... we don't know which side they are by looking at them. That would make for the shortest game of Werewolf ever.

I think you're getting hung up on the phrase "humanoid-cylon". I presume that humanoid-cylons (presumably 100% cylons that look like humans, although I've only seen a couple of episodes of the new series) are the wolves. I haven't seen any other reference to half human/half cylons. The victory conditions don't really seem to allow for a hybrid either.

[Sonic Youth]

I've never seen the show, which was why I put the idea out there.

Bugger, I keep thinking this has some link to Starship Troopers.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Sonic Youth

Claphamsa was on my radar for who he selected as his true vote, because he messed around with that. Plus, the person he voted for was one of two people who said they were human, though how much we can take that on at this stage is anyones guess. My no lynch was always a question mark. Clap's going to be after me now though

Which brings me on to something that RendeR mentioned, half human half Cylon. Which side will they be on, and could they swap sides at any time?

dont worry im not after you

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Clues: Clues to finding earth. They might be items, they might be snippestof communication signals, they could be rusty relics sitting in a museum. Anything could be a clue, find all 12 and you could find Earth.

Anyone got theories about the clues? I'm guessing that in the most cases the cylons will get hold of clues if a) they find them and b)they kill someone who has a clue. So I guess it might not be ideal to come out and say that you have a clue. However that situation really favours the cylons as they'll be able to co-ordinate their night activities and pool their clues. I'm struggling to see how we can possibly compete with them in this respect. Of course we have numbers on our side but if we can never come out and say what clues we've found I don't see what we can do.

I wish Chief Rum was in this game. He already gives me stuff to think about around about this time.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Lathum

there was also no effort to lynch him.

I don't see that as a really big deal -- if clap is good, my thinking is that the wolves would just look at it as a bonus if we lynch him, but not worth sticking their necks out for -- the risk of losing one wolf is a bigger deal than getting one villager lynched.

[jeheinz72]

Well, I for one am glad we didn't lynch clap. I think the proof is in the pudding that no one came to save him.

Not much for me last night, I headed to Cloud 9 (who wouldn't want to go there!?!) and saw Pass there (no mention of the person who saw me though, which is odd)

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Well, I for one am glad we didn't lynch clap. I think the proof is in the pudding that no one came to save him.

Not much for me last night, I headed to Cloud 9 (who wouldn't want to go there!?!) and saw Pass there (no mention of the person who saw me though, which is odd)

My experience is the same -- I saw you, but not path.

[Passacaglia]

VOTE PATH12

[jeheinz72]

Yeah, in that case...

[jeheinz72]

Vote path12

[claphamsa]

huh, so path saw you alls? but you didnt see him?

[Narcizo]

The more I think about the more I think that everyone providing their location from the night before will help us narrow things down. Presuming that any night killer has to be in the same location as the victim I think this could be a big source of information at best and at worst an irritant for the Cylons. Unless I can be offered a great reason why we shouldn't diverge this information I'll be inclined to be more suspicious of anyone who doesn't want to give up their location.

1. Mauboy1
2. PurdueBrad
3. The Jackal - no order given. Presumably still on Caprica (#245)
4. greyroofoo
5. claphamsa
6. Jeheinz72 - Cloud 9. Saw Pass. (#268)
7. nfg22
8. Passacaglia - Cloud 9. Saw Heinz. (#269)
9. St. Cronin
10. Narcizo - Battlestar Pegasus. Saw no-one. (#260)
11. Lathum
12. Sonic Youth
13. Path12 - Presumably Cloud 9? Saw Pass and Heinz (#249)
14. barkeep49

[Narcizo]

I'm really not seeing how this is damning of Path. Why would he claim to have seen you both before either of you mentioned where you were or that you were in the same location. We know nothing of the mechanism of who sees whom and I just don't see what Cylon Path would get from coming out with that information.

I'm still more suspicious of Jackal's strange comments and his lack of night action/lack of night kill. Lots of people have been on and no-one is claiming a block.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

I'm really not seeing how this is damning of Path. Why would he claim to have seen you both before either of you mentioned where you were or that you were in the same location. We know nothing of the mechanism of who sees whom and I just don't see what Cylon Path would get from coming out with that information.

I'm still more suspicious of Jackal's strange comments and his lack of night action/lack of night kill. Lots of people have been on and no-one is claiming a block.

My thinking is that Cylon path would be doing it to say he's out there giving info to the village. Good guy path who has an ability not to be seen probably wouldn't come out with the info of where he was. That's my take on it.

[Passacaglia]

That said, I'm willing to look elsewhere, if an intriguing argument comes by. But at this point, he's a -1 in a sea of zeroes.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

My thinking is that Cylon path would be doing it to say he's out there giving info to the village. Good guy path who has an ability not to be seen probably wouldn't come out with the info of where he was. That's my take on it.

This makes me think that there's all the more reason for people to come out with info on their locations last night so we can get a better grip on how the whole location system works. Maybe this business of seeing someone but not being seen is a common-place occurance.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

This makes me think that there's all the more reason for people to come out with info on their locations last night so we can get a better grip on how the whole location system works. Maybe this business of seeing someone but not being seen is a common-place occurance.

I think you're right. I can see why people wouldn't want to reveal what their location was -- I wasn't planning to, until others revealed it for me. But if we can get information like this out of it, revealing locations might be a good thing.

[Narcizo]

I'm heading home soon. Hopefully I'll be around this evening/afternoon, if I can actually get on the computer at all.

I'd better get a vote in now though, in case I can't make it.

[Narcizo]

Vote Jackal

[path12]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

My thinking is that Cylon path would be doing it to say he's out there giving info to the village. Good guy path who has an ability not to be seen probably wouldn't come out with the info of where he was. That's my take on it.

I never said where I was (though it was Cloud 9). I only said who I saw there. I can't help the fact that you guys apparently didn't see me, though I expected you had and am bummed to that's not the case. I don't see how that makes me a Cylon. I am 100% human, Kara.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by path12

I never said where I was (though it was Cloud 9). I only said who I saw there. I can't help the fact that you guys apparently didn't see me, though I expected you had and am bummed to that's not the case. I don't see how that makes me a Cylon. I am 100% human, Kara.

Go on...

[Passacaglia]

Oh, I see what you mean. Sorry, I didn't mean to say that you said you were at Cloud 9 hydroponics -- I just meant that you gave the info about who you saw there. You're saying you had no idea that we wouldn't see you?

[path12]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Oh, I see what you mean. Sorry, I didn't mean to say that you said you were at Cloud 9 hydroponics -- I just meant that you gave the info about who you saw there. You're saying you had no idea that we wouldn't see you?

Since my PM said we were riding in the same shuttle I thought sure you would have seen me. I glimpsed heinz in a crowd so I could see that being somewhat iffy.

[Passacaglia]

Did we talk?

[path12]

Not that I'm aware of.

[Passacaglia]

Knowing that we didn't see you in the shuttle, do you feel like you might know why that happened?

[path12]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Knowing that we didn't see you in the shuttle, do you feel like you might know why that happened?

I have one theory but feel it's best to keep that under wraps for now.

[jeheinz72]

Was anyone else headed to Cloud 9? THat woudl help alleviate my suspicions of path (a bit)

[claphamsa]

did RendR give us any info on finding Earth? Or is it just hell PM us anythign we may need to know? And do we know anythign about the locales? I didnt go anywhere.....

[claphamsa]

check that, I did go somewhere, but I just picked at random.

[jeheinz72]

I found out nothing about earth. It seems all I did was go from Caprica to Cloud 9, noticing Pass along the way.

[jeheinz72]

I found out nothing about earth. It seems all I did was go from Caprica to Cloud 9, noticing Pass along the way.

[PurdueBrad]

Hey guys, checking in. I went to Raptor and found nothing. As for last night's vote, I'm of the same mind, I read it as a good sign for claph that there was not a noticeable move to save him.

[Passacaglia]

Okay, since no one seems to have countered path's reveal of being Kara yet, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt for the time being.

[Passacaglia]

UNVOTE PATH12

[PurdueBrad]

The no lynch yesterday means that day two is another version of day one but at least there was no night kill. I'll throw another random vote out there

vote Narcizo

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

The no lynch yesterday means that day two is another version of day one but at least there was no night kill. I'll throw another random vote out there

vote Narcizo

Maybe the wolves didn't want to risk killing one of their own on the first night, just like us!

Anyway, now that my vote is open, why the switch from me to Narcizo?

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Okay, since no one seems to have countered path's reveal of being Kara yet, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt for the time being.

But who is to say that Kara is a Human or a Cylon? I mean I could say my name is Billy Bob Smith, but what the heck does that matter/mean if any character could be on either side.