Draft Files utility?

sabotai · 02-22-2003, 11:53 AM

Not too long ago a couple of guys on here talked about the draft file data. I think someone also made a utility to view the info inside the draft file.

Knowing that draft file players create a much better draft pool than FOF-generated players, my dynasties have kind of died, because I don't want to keep going if it means soon my FOF4 dynasty will be filled with superstars.

Is it possible to create a utility that toned-down the ratings of the players coming out of TCY? Like make the bad players worse, the average players below average, etc. So that the draft file is not full of superstars?

DolphinFan1 · 02-22-2003, 12:22 PM

I don't see the problem here. So the players are better. That just makes it more challeging because the computer has a better chance to land good players. No offense, but I think people need to enjoy it for what it is, a game. It isn't the NFL. It won't be the NFL. I think overall it is a good game. IMO.

sabotai · 02-22-2003, 12:47 PM

Because I don't want to play where there are superstars at every position on every team. When you have superstars at every position on every team, there is no strat. to it. It becomes random. Also, it skews stats.

nilodor · 02-22-2003, 01:32 PM

I have made a lot of draft files and I think the problem is not in the file its self but how it is imported. Many players with ratings in the 20's will show up in the draft with 70+ ratings, this is just one small example. I think the draft importation is where the players get made into superstars. One thing i have noticed though is players in the draft files tend to show up as superstars after they are drafted but their ratings recede quite a bit, to a more acceptable level. It just takes 3-5 years for it to happen which in my opinion makes it pretty realistic.

Easy Mac · 02-22-2003, 02:43 PM

Also, as I know it, there is no way to enter potentials, or is that what we enter for the regular numbers? that may be the main proble, that we can give people ratings, but we cannot determine how well they will be, only how good they are.

3ric · 02-23-2003, 06:40 AM

A theory that has been discussed is whether one of the two "unknown" values at the end of each player's data is linked to a player's chance to reach his potential. There just hasn't been any good evidence yet to be able to tell how this works.

QuikSand · 02-23-2003, 10:20 AM

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Originally posted by 3ric
A theory that has been discussed is whether one of the two "unknown" values at the end of each player's data is linked to a player's chance to reach his potential. There just hasn't been any good evidence yet to be able to tell how this works.

I'd be willing to be part of more exploration of this, for what it's worth. If someone could post a particular draft file... maybe several of us could look at it, and pick out certain players for a closer look at their "unknown" ratings. I think we might be able to make some headway in figuring this out.

stkelly52 · 02-23-2003, 10:38 AM

where cna we get the draft file editor?

3ric · 02-23-2003, 11:39 AM

http://www.cflfb.com/FOF/faf_editor.zip

stkelly52 · 02-23-2003, 11:52 AM

thanks

nilodor · 02-23-2003, 02:36 PM

In the draft file i am beginning to think the second to last column has something to do with potential. Nothing conclusive though. If we wanted to look at a particular file i suggest 3ric's 71 file. It is allready on the web and it might stir up some more historical interest.

3ric · 02-23-2003, 03:16 PM

The values in the second to last column has a range of 0-100, that could be a percentage on how that player's chances are of turning into a good pro.

Working on that premise, then a similar assumption has to be made on the frequency of high values in that column - since not all of the 945 players will translate well then the distribution will probably be in a bell curve - meaning the vast majority will be around 50% probability.

Here's the 71 file:
http://www.cflfb.com/FOF/1971%203ric/fof4_1971.zip

The values in the last column has a range of 1-16 - no idea what THAT means?

sebastian0622 · 02-24-2003, 03:04 PM

I am having trouble with the draft file utility. When I change any names, it causes the names to be all jacked up upon import. If I change a college name, it shows up blank or unchanged, as does hometown using the codes. It seems as though some of the changes I make to ratings get shifted a column or two after saving the file. Anyone else had this?

I'm interesting in doing some draft files if I can get this worked out.

3ric · 02-24-2003, 04:19 PM

That sounds like the bug with using the arrow keys to submit the change. What happened was that after typing in the name, if you pressed an arrow key, any direction, then the change would appear in the adjacent cell.

If you look at the status bar at the bottom of the editor, then the value of the variable "CurrVal" should change every time you switch cells, no matter which method you use. The latest version is number 1.22, which I hoped had this problem fixed.

sebastian0622 · 02-25-2003, 05:56 PM

Yea I used the arrow keys all the time. I'll try clickin or entering when my next draft comes around and see if things work ok.

Thanks

Easy Mac · 02-25-2003, 06:02 PM

You have to edit the dll's that come with the editor. The names are stored in them, and so you have to make them match the dlll's.

When you go to import into FOF, you have to replace the dll's there too in order to see the new names.

02-22-2003, 12:22 PM	#2
DolphinFan1 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Connecticut	I don't see the problem here. So the players are better. That just makes it more challeging because the computer has a better chance to land good players. No offense, but I think people need to enjoy it for what it is, a game. It isn't the NFL. It won't be the NFL. I think overall it is a good game. IMO. __________________ GM of the Milwaukee Muscle Men of the ZFL. The 1st team in ZFL history to have a perfect losing season. I am on a quest to show that the Dolphins can win the Super Bowl. Or should I say Front Office Bowl, with FOF2K7. The revival of an old favorite, FOFC Wrestling Dynasty

02-22-2003, 12:47 PM	#3
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	Because I don't want to play where there are superstars at every position on every team. When you have superstars at every position on every team, there is no strat. to it. It becomes random. Also, it skews stats. Last edited by sabotai : 02-22-2003 at 12:49 PM.

02-23-2003, 06:40 AM	#6
3ric College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Sweden	A theory that has been discussed is whether one of the two "unknown" values at the end of each player's data is linked to a player's chance to reach his potential. There just hasn't been any good evidence yet to be able to tell how this works. __________________ San Diego Chargers (HFL) - Lappland Reindeers (WOOF) - Gothenburg Giants (IHOF) Indiana: A TCY VC - year 2044 - the longest running dynasty ever on FOFC!

02-23-2003, 10:38 AM	#8
stkelly52 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Seattle WA	where cna we get the draft file editor? __________________ Check out an undrafted free agent's attempt to make the Hall of Fame: Running to the Hall Now nominated for a Golden Scribe!

02-23-2003, 11:39 AM	#9
3ric College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Sweden	http://www.cflfb.com/FOF/faf_editor.zip __________________ San Diego Chargers (HFL) - Lappland Reindeers (WOOF) - Gothenburg Giants (IHOF) Indiana: A TCY VC - year 2044 - the longest running dynasty ever on FOFC!

02-22-2003, 01:32 PM	#4
nilodor College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: calgary, AB	I have made a lot of draft files and I think the problem is not in the file its self but how it is imported. Many players with ratings in the 20's will show up in the draft with 70+ ratings, this is just one small example. I think the draft importation is where the players get made into superstars. One thing i have noticed though is players in the draft files tend to show up as superstars after they are drafted but their ratings recede quite a bit, to a more acceptable level. It just takes 3-5 years for it to happen which in my opinion makes it pretty realistic.

02-22-2003, 02:43 PM	#5
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	Also, as I know it, there is no way to enter potentials, or is that what we enter for the regular numbers? that may be the main proble, that we can give people ratings, but we cannot determine how well they will be, only how good they are.

02-23-2003, 11:52 AM	#10
stkelly52 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Seattle WA	thanks __________________ Check out an undrafted free agent's attempt to make the Hall of Fame: Running to the Hall Now nominated for a Golden Scribe!

02-23-2003, 02:36 PM	#11
nilodor College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: calgary, AB	In the draft file i am beginning to think the second to last column has something to do with potential. Nothing conclusive though. If we wanted to look at a particular file i suggest 3ric's 71 file. It is allready on the web and it might stir up some more historical interest.

02-23-2003, 03:16 PM	#12
3ric College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Sweden	The values in the second to last column has a range of 0-100, that could be a percentage on how that player's chances are of turning into a good pro. Working on that premise, then a similar assumption has to be made on the frequency of high values in that column - since not all of the 945 players will translate well then the distribution will probably be in a bell curve - meaning the vast majority will be around 50% probability. Here's the 71 file: http://www.cflfb.com/FOF/1971%203ric/fof4_1971.zip The values in the last column has a range of 1-16 - no idea what THAT means? __________________ San Diego Chargers (HFL) - Lappland Reindeers (WOOF) - Gothenburg Giants (IHOF) Indiana: A TCY VC - year 2044 - the longest running dynasty ever on FOFC!

02-24-2003, 03:04 PM	#13
sebastian0622 n00b Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Des Moines, IA	I am having trouble with the draft file utility. When I change any names, it causes the names to be all jacked up upon import. If I change a college name, it shows up blank or unchanged, as does hometown using the codes. It seems as though some of the changes I make to ratings get shifted a column or two after saving the file. Anyone else had this? I'm interesting in doing some draft files if I can get this worked out.

02-24-2003, 04:19 PM	#14
3ric College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Sweden	That sounds like the bug with using the arrow keys to submit the change. What happened was that after typing in the name, if you pressed an arrow key, any direction, then the change would appear in the adjacent cell. If you look at the status bar at the bottom of the editor, then the value of the variable "CurrVal" should change every time you switch cells, no matter which method you use. The latest version is number 1.22, which I hoped had this problem fixed. __________________ San Diego Chargers (HFL) - Lappland Reindeers (WOOF) - Gothenburg Giants (IHOF) Indiana: A TCY VC - year 2044 - the longest running dynasty ever on FOFC!

02-25-2003, 05:56 PM	#15
sebastian0622 n00b Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Des Moines, IA	Yea I used the arrow keys all the time. I'll try clickin or entering when my next draft comes around and see if things work ok. Thanks

02-25-2003, 06:02 PM	#16
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	You have to edit the dll's that come with the editor. The names are stored in them, and so you have to make them match the dlll's. When you go to import into FOF, you have to replace the dll's there too in order to see the new names.

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