NFL Week 12 Thread

Logan · 11-22-2011, 03:14 PM

Thanksgiving Day games:

Packers - Lions

Dolphins - Cowboys

49ers - Ravens

Logan · 11-22-2011, 03:15 PM

And in other news, Denver shows they always knew how to best utilize their assets...by waiving Kyle Orton.

JediKooter · 11-22-2011, 03:20 PM

I would be so thankful if the Chargers lose again and Norv gets fired.

Tebow vs Rivers. They both are very religious. Not sure who's going to win this one. I say it ends in a tie 21-21. Of course, I could be way off, but, with Rivers apparently being coached during the lockout by Jamarcus Russel, Norv Turner not being able to manage a clock, despite rather large clocks all around him in the stadium, this could also end up being a complete blow out.

You want to pick a winner? I'll go with this: Since both teams colors don't really clash, I say the home team wins.

Rizon · 11-22-2011, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JediKooter

I would be so thankful if the Chargers lose again and Norv gets fired.

Tebow vs Rivers. They both are very religious. Not sure who's going to win this one. I say it ends in a tie 21-21. Of course, I could be way off, but, with Rivers apparently being coached during the lockout by Jamarcus Russel, Norv Turner not being able to manage a clock, despite rather large clocks all around him in the stadium, this could also end up being a complete blow out.

You want to pick a winner? I'll go with this: Since both teams colors don't really clash, I say the home team wins.

Report: Norv Turner's days could be numbered - CBSSports.com

Honolulu_Blue · 11-22-2011, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by HiFiRevival

That schedule looked horrible at the start of the season. Then it looked like just the Dolphins-Cowgirls game would be bad until 3 weeks ago. Now it looks like the best Thanksgiving day set of games in a while.

I've banging this drum for years... It was only a matter of time before the Lions got good and people would be happy to see them on Thanksgiving Day as is the rightful tradition.

Granted, "only a matter of time" was about a decade or so, but hopefully we will all be rewarded for our patience.

That said, if the Lions try to go with their "rope a dope" strategy and spot Green Bay a 17 or 21 point lead in the first half, we could all be in for another painfully dull afternoon.

The Lions haven't won on Thanksgiving since 2003.

They got smoked by Indy in 2004. Falcons smacked them around in 2005. Green Bay beat them a few times in there. A Joey Harrington led Dolphins team trounced them. The Titans absolutely obliderated them. The Patroits ran away with the game last year in the second half.

Let's hope the Lions reverse this trend.

JediKooter · 11-22-2011, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Rizon

Report: Norv Turner's days could be numbered - CBSSports.com

That is classic. I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing the complete lack of head coaching skills that Turner possesses. Besides the fact that the Chargers come out to start a game looking completely flat like they have not had practice in months and then can only muster 17 points against the Chiefs defense when they just put up 38 against the Packers. The only consistency with the team, is its inconsistency.

Oh and then there's the, beyond ridiculous, delay of game and false start penalties they get. NORV!!!! YOU'RE CALLING THE PLAYS!!! WHY CAN YOU NOT GET A PLAY OFF IN 40 SECONDS OR LESS?????

Then we come to AJ Smith (no relation). Mr. "I Refuse To Pick Up Free Agents". John Butler you are not, sir. Lord of No Rings is quite fitting for someone that looks like he was an extra in the movie Casino. Who Dat? You ask? Why that's Drew Brees, the Super Bowl Champion/Pro Bowl quarterback you let walk out the door. AJ, you let the wrong Turner go. You should have kept Michael Turner.

The Chargers need to make Gruden an offer he can't refuse (Yes, I know he signed a contract recently with ESPN). This team needs a motivator, not a pacifier.

tucker rocky · 11-22-2011, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by k0ruptr

Maybe if Tebow wins another game the Broncos will cut Kyle Orton. I smell a bears superbowl.

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Originally Posted by Logan

And in other news, Denver shows they always knew how to best utilize their assets...by waiving Kyle Orton.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d..._breaking_news

gstelmack · 11-22-2011, 04:09 PM

And just after the Cutler injury. Hmmm...

NorvTurnerOverdrive · 11-22-2011, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

And in other news, Denver shows they always knew how to best utilize their assets...by waiving Kyle Orton.

seems fishy. why cut him now? he had no trade value?

Coffee Warlord · 11-22-2011, 04:26 PM

As much as I DON'T want the Bears to pick him up, the entertainment value in a Orton vs Tebow game in a couple weeks cannot be ignored.

SirFozzie · 11-22-2011, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by NorvTurnerOverdrive

seems fishy. why cut him now? he had no trade value?

Past the trade deadline.

stevew · 11-22-2011, 04:34 PM

If he gets claimed, they save 3M dollars. I'm sure they factor things like that into making a decision.

MikeVic · 11-22-2011, 04:35 PM

2011 NFL Playoff Machine - Simulate Matchups and Scenarios - ESPN

You get some pretty funny/stupid results with some of the rankings. If you pick to predict based on defensive rank, the results are so messed up. I know, I know, what should I expect... but it still made me laugh to think about that being a possible playoff scenario being presented.

NorvTurnerOverdrive · 11-22-2011, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Past the trade deadline.

yeah, i know. but even a decent backup has value to a playoff team. they could have got something for him(b4 the deadline)

guess it depends on where he signs to see if there was some wink and nod deal.

Julio Riddols · 11-22-2011, 05:10 PM

If youre St.Louis, why not grab him? Isn't Josh McDaniels there? Maybe extend Orton for a couple seasons, give Bradford a year to get his shit together after struggling so hard this season, then flip Orton for a 4th rounder or something before turning the reins of an improved team over to Bradford for his 4th season.

Atocep · 11-22-2011, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

If youre St.Louis, why not grab him? Isn't Josh McDaniels there? Maybe extend Orton for a couple seasons, give Bradford a year to get his shit together after struggling so hard this season, then flip Orton for a 4th rounder or something before turning the reins of an improved team over to Bradford for his 4th season.

I don't think benching Bradford for a year would be the best personnel decision. Ownership would have to be ok with their number 1 pick sitting, you'd have to convince Bradford, and I doubt the fans would be too happy with the move.

I don't see why Bradford wouldn't demand a trade if that were to happen.

Chief Rum · 11-22-2011, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JediKooter

I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing the complete lack of head coaching skills that Turner possesses.

You realize that this is like one of the truth idioms of all sports, right? I mean, like, the Yankees have a lot of money. Michael Jordan was the best basketball player ever. Wayne Gretzky was the best hockey player ever. Red Sox fans suck.

These are all truths that are well known and accepted by all fans.

The basic truth "Norv Turner is an awful head coach" is one of the most oft-discussed, "everyone is head-nodding" agreement truths of the past 20 years.

JediKooter · 11-22-2011, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

You realize that this is like one of the truth idioms of all sports, right? I mean, like, the Yankees have a lot of money. Michael Jordan was the best basketball player ever. Wayne Gretzky was the best hockey player ever. Red Sox fans suck.

These are all truths that are well known and accepted by all fans.

The basic truth "Norv Turner is an awful head coach" is one of the most oft-discussed, "everyone is head-nodding" agreement truths of the past 20 years.

Actually, and no kidding here, other than some people on this board and a few people I know, I don't really hear it that often. But, it is actually the first time I've read it from someone that reports on the NFL/Chargers. I guess my post could use one of these then:

Chief Rum · 11-22-2011, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JediKooter

Actually, and no kidding here, other than some people on this board and a few people I know, I don't really hear it that often. But, it is actually the first time I've read it from someone that reports on the NFL/Chargers. I guess my post could use one of these then:

Up where you're at, it should be a known fact, given his time with the Raiders. It is also well known in Washington. There might be some deluded fools in Dallas, but besides Norv's family and Troy Aikman, I don't think anyone else is "buying" on Norv Turner's HC skills. And I think even Aikman's just saying good stuff to be nice.

JediKooter · 11-22-2011, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Up where you're at, it should be a known fact, given his time with the Raiders. It is also well known in Washington. There might be some deluded fools in Dallas, but besides Norv's family and Troy Aikman, I don't think anyone else is "buying" on Norv Turner's HC skills. And I think even Aikman's just saying good stuff to be nice.

I think maybe why I haven't heard much here, is possibly because of his short tenure as head coach of the Raiders. When they talk about him up here, it always seems to be when he was the O-coordinator for the 49ers and Alex Smith.

Well I can see why Aikman does that and I hear that Norv is a heck of a nice guy.

JediKooter · 11-22-2011, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by HiFiRevival

As an offensive coordinator, Norv Turner is very good. The moment head coaching responsibilities fall on him he starts spiraling downward and takes the team with him.

Oh I absolutely agree with you. Just look at that last possession the Chargers had against the Jets a few weeks ago. That's 100% coaching...or I should say, lack of coaching. His first season in San Diego when he took over, the Chargers were winning despite him, not because of him. Since AJ Smith refuses to replenish the team with free agents, everything is now catching up to Norv and his deficiencies as a head coach.

NorvTurnerOverdrive · 11-22-2011, 06:24 PM

bears are claiming orton according to pft.

Logan · 11-22-2011, 06:29 PM

I don't see how he makes it to them. KC seems like the most likely destination.

NorvTurnerOverdrive · 11-22-2011, 06:34 PM

oh you;re right. i just read the headline. whoops

Cap Ologist · 11-22-2011, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

If youre St.Louis, why not grab him? Isn't Josh McDaniels there? Maybe extend Orton for a couple seasons, give Bradford a year to get his shit together after struggling so hard this season, then flip Orton for a 4th rounder or something before turning the reins of an improved team over to Bradford for his 4th season.

They should grab Orton, immediately demote Bradford, then trade Bradford for Tebow in the offseason so Tebow and McDaniels can reunite.

JediKooter · 11-23-2011, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Cap Ologist

They should grab Orton, immediately demote Bradford, then trade Bradford for Tebow in the offseason so Tebow and McDaniels can reunite.

Orton would be pissed.

Scarecrow · 11-23-2011, 04:03 PM

In the most SHOCKING moment in NFL history (although I'm prone to exaggeration), the Kansas City Chiefs have claimed Kyle Orton. Other teams that placed a claim are Dallas and Chicago.

ESPN is still writing stories about how perfect it would be for Orton to return to the Bears.

RomaGoth · 11-23-2011, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cap Ologist

They should grab Orton, immediately demote Bradford, then trade Bradford for Tebow in the offseason so Tebow and McDaniels can reunite.

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Originally Posted by JediKooter

Orton would be pissed.

True but the influence of Tebowism would expand into the greater St. Louis metro area, thus creating a calming effect on the entire midwest.

Chief Rum · 11-23-2011, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RomaGoth

True but the influence of Tebowism would expand into the greater St. Louis metro area, thus creating a calming effect on the entire midwest.

Tebowism. Perfect. Instead of kneeling at the foot of the altar, everyone does the Tebow.

JediKooter · 11-23-2011, 05:51 PM

Why stop there?

Somebody named a racehorse ‘Tebowing’ - Shutdown Corner - NFL*Blog - Yahoo! Sports

RainMaker · 11-24-2011, 12:24 PM

Helps Rodgers passing rating when every incompletion seems to get offset by a bad pass interference call.

Grover · 11-24-2011, 12:25 PM

Hope Kevin Smith is alright. After taking so long to come back, would be tragic to see him out long-term again.

kingfc22 · 11-24-2011, 12:30 PM

It's a miracle! 2 plays in a row without a penalty! Amazing.

mckerney · 11-24-2011, 12:44 PM

If Williams played for the Lions that near interception would have been an easy pass interference call.

kingfc22 · 11-24-2011, 12:53 PM

How is that roughing the passer?!? Bullshit! Refs giving all the calls to GB.

jbergey22 · 11-24-2011, 01:02 PM

Lions couldnt be playing any better. Cant believe they are down a TD. One bad pass, penalties, and missed chances....

So much for the offensive showcase many were expecting.

Izulde · 11-24-2011, 01:08 PM

This lack of offense is killing me in fantasy football, as I have both Rodgers and Megatron.

Grover · 11-24-2011, 01:10 PM

This half-time show sounds excellent with the mute button on.

thesloppy · 11-24-2011, 01:11 PM

Dare I say that while both teams have been earning stupid penalties, the refs appear to have the Lions on a slightly tighter leash than the Packers.

B & B · 11-24-2011, 01:15 PM

Lets go to Jay Glazer with the troops to give thanks on this holiday from indochina. Now onto the halfime show, introducing from Canada, NICKLEBACK!

kingfc22 · 11-24-2011, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by HiFiRevival

Glad to see that piece of trash kicked out.

Seriously. Suh has got to be the dirtiest player in the NFL.

James Harrison and Ryan Clark - you have both moved down a spot.

whomario · 11-24-2011, 01:31 PM

i agree that the refs are maybe overdoing it a bit, but damn are some of those penalties stupid moves the the Lions. Suh just puts the icing on that cake ...

Danny · 11-24-2011, 01:32 PM

Suh should get a multiple game suspension for that

Mustang · 11-24-2011, 01:33 PM

That was ridiculous on Suh.

That isn't playing hard, that is just being a shitbag.

frnk55 · 11-24-2011, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mustang

That was ridiculous on Suh.

That isn't playing hard, that is just being a shitbag.

Wow, what a dick. Suh that is.

tucker rocky · 11-24-2011, 01:43 PM

NFL.com has Suh being ejected as breaking news. Really?

11-22-2011, 03:20 PM	#5
JediKooter Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: San Diego via Sausalito via San Jose via San Diego	I would be so thankful if the Chargers lose again and Norv gets fired. Tebow vs Rivers. They both are very religious. Not sure who's going to win this one. I say it ends in a tie 21-21. Of course, I could be way off, but, with Rivers apparently being coached during the lockout by Jamarcus Russel, Norv Turner not being able to manage a clock, despite rather large clocks all around him in the stadium, this could also end up being a complete blow out. You want to pick a winner? I'll go with this: Since both teams colors don't really clash, I say the home team wins. __________________ I'm no longer a Chargers fan, they are dead to me Coming this summer to a movie theater near you: The Adventures of Jedikooter: Part 4 Last edited by JediKooter : 11-22-2011 at 03:20 PM.

11-22-2011, 04:09 PM	#10
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11-22-2011, 05:10 PM	#17
Julio Riddols College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bryson Shitty, NC	If youre St.Louis, why not grab him? Isn't Josh McDaniels there? Maybe extend Orton for a couple seasons, give Bradford a year to get his shit together after struggling so hard this season, then flip Orton for a 4th rounder or something before turning the reins of an improved team over to Bradford for his 4th season. __________________ Recklessly enthused, stubbornly amused. FUCK EA

11-23-2011, 04:03 PM	#30
Scarecrow College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Flatlands of America	In the most SHOCKING moment in NFL history (although I'm prone to exaggeration), the Kansas City Chiefs have claimed Kyle Orton. Other teams that placed a claim are Dallas and Chicago. ESPN is still writing stories about how perfect it would be for Orton to return to the Bears. __________________ Post Count: Eleventy Billion - so deal with it!

11-23-2011, 05:51 PM	#33
JediKooter Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: San Diego via Sausalito via San Jose via San Diego	Why stop there? Somebody named a racehorse ‘Tebowing’ - Shutdown Corner - NFL*Blog - Yahoo! Sports __________________ I'm no longer a Chargers fan, they are dead to me Coming this summer to a movie theater near you: The Adventures of Jedikooter: Part 4

11-22-2011, 03:15 PM	#2
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	And in other news, Denver shows they always knew how to best utilize their assets...by waiving Kyle Orton.

11-22-2011, 04:26 PM	#12
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	As much as I DON'T want the Bears to pick him up, the entertainment value in a Orton vs Tebow game in a couple weeks cannot be ignored.

11-22-2011, 04:34 PM	#14
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	If he gets claimed, they save 3M dollars. I'm sure they factor things like that into making a decision.

11-22-2011, 04:35 PM	#15
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	2011 NFL Playoff Machine - Simulate Matchups and Scenarios - ESPN You get some pretty funny/stupid results with some of the rankings. If you pick to predict based on defensive rank, the results are so messed up. I know, I know, what should I expect... but it still made me laugh to think about that being a possible playoff scenario being presented.

11-22-2011, 06:24 PM	#25
NorvTurnerOverdrive College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2008	bears are claiming orton according to pft.

11-22-2011, 06:29 PM	#26
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	I don't see how he makes it to them. KC seems like the most likely destination.

11-22-2011, 06:34 PM	#27
NorvTurnerOverdrive College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2008	oh you;re right. i just read the headline. whoops

11-24-2011, 12:24 PM	#34
RainMaker Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	Helps Rodgers passing rating when every incompletion seems to get offset by a bad pass interference call.

11-24-2011, 12:25 PM	#35
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11-24-2011, 12:44 PM	#37
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	If Williams played for the Lions that near interception would have been an easy pass interference call.

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kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	How is that roughing the passer?!? Bullshit! Refs giving all the calls to GB. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal Last edited by kingfc22 : 11-24-2011 at 12:55 PM.

11-24-2011, 01:02 PM	#39
jbergey22 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Minnesota	Lions couldnt be playing any better. Cant believe they are down a TD. One bad pass, penalties, and missed chances.... So much for the offensive showcase many were expecting.

11-24-2011, 01:08 PM	#40
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11-24-2011, 01:11 PM	#42
thesloppy Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: PDX	Dare I say that while both teams have been earning stupid penalties, the refs appear to have the Lions on a slightly tighter leash than the Packers. __________________ Last edited by thesloppy : Today at 05:35 PM.

11-24-2011, 01:15 PM	#43
B & B College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: A sports era long ago when everything didnt require a Nike logo	Lets go to Jay Glazer with the troops to give thanks on this holiday from indochina. Now onto the halfime show, introducing from Canada, NICKLEBACK! __________________ Nobody cares about Kyle Orton because he's black. -PT

11-24-2011, 01:31 PM	#46
whomario Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2007	i agree that the refs are maybe overdoing it a bit, but damn are some of those penalties stupid moves the the Lions. Suh just puts the icing on that cake ...

11-24-2011, 01:32 PM	#47
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Suh should get a multiple game suspension for that

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Mustang Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Wisconsin	That was ridiculous on Suh. That isn't playing hard, that is just being a shitbag. __________________ You, you will regret what you have done this day. I will make you regret ever being born. Your going to wish you never left your mothers womb, where it was warm and safe... and wet. i am going to show you pain you never knew existed, you are going to see a whole new spectrum of pain, like a Rainboooow. But! This rainbow is not just like any other rainbow, its...

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tucker rocky Pro Rookie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Of no particular interest	NFL.com has Suh being ejected as breaking news. Really?

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