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Join Date: Oct 2005
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Hog oriented article but brings up the question, what if, in the realigned SEC, there isn't 3 permanent opponents but just 1.
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#2302 |
World Champion Mis-speller
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Covington, Ga.
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I seems like Arkansas would get one of Oklahoma or Texas, along with Missouri and Tennessee. Georgia has to keep Florida and Auburn. South Carolina makes sense as the third, but so does Tennessee. I will miss playing Tennessee yearly, because that has been a bigger rival than South Carolina.
edit: Thinking about that, no. Arkansas shares a border with Tennessee, but Florida-Tennessee has been a major rivalry. Tennessee will end up Vandy, Kentucky Florida. Giving Arkansas maybe Kentucky? I have seen lists that have the third as South Carolina, but that seem crazy. But then again as that list had suggests, who else is the Gamecocks regional rivals except Georgia? Maybe we can just kick the Gamecocks out and pick up someone like Oklahoma State? Last edited by GrantDawg : 03-08-2023 at 02:39 PM. |
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Join Date: Oct 2005
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Good news for the Hogs. We need all the help we can get for the secondary
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#2304 | |
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Join Date: Oct 2005
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I don't remember Oklahoma much when the Hogs were in the SWC. It was more Texas. But yeah, it would be fun to start something with Oklahoma. Tennessee has never been much of a rivalry for us in the SEC. Missouri is starting to become one (or SEC is trying to make it one). I remember LSU games being more intense and both MS team. Texas for sure. LSU or Ole Miss. Then Oklahoma, Missouri etc. I wish they would announce already what the plans are! |
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#2305 | |
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Join Date: Oct 2005
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Hogs got a couple nice 2024 commits this past week.
Really no idea how good they are but there was a time when we had a hard time landing 4-stars. We are set for QB1 but he's gone after next season, so looking forward to seeing some of the others get some experience. Pass defense is where we need the most help. Quote:
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This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off.
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: In Absentia
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#2307 |
Coordinator
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Land O Lakes FL
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I will definitely forget the new rules and post something wondering why the clock is still running during the season.
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Solecismic Software
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Canton, OH
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Unless this is coupled with genuine commercial reform, the networks will fill in the reduced number of natural breaks with even longer commercial breaks. That's the price of conferences competing with each other for the craziest new contract.
There will be so many commercials to encourage betting on college games that the casinos will be able to run special commercials reminding professional athletes not to do it in team facilities. |
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#2309 | |
Coordinator
Join Date: Oct 2000
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I still go to all of the WVU home games, but I’m getting close to bowing out because of stuff like this. The percentage of gameplay to time spent traveling to/from and then sitting through breaks makes it less and less worthwhile. When I figure in the cost of tickets and concessions, I could be buying a new, giant TV for less in cost and enjoy it on my couch without all the downtime. |
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#2310 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA
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Rumors seem to suggest that Notre Dame QB Tyler Buchner could end up at ... Alabama.
I know the Tide QBs were underwhelming in the spring game but if they're down to considering a guy who has yet to record a 60% completion rate in a game with significant playing time things must be even worse than they seem.
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Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA
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To coin a phrase, "He who pays the gold makes the rules". Fans don't seem to realize, or at least most remain in denial, about the reality that sports have been sold to the networks and that butts in seats are increasingly irrelevant. It's a TV product first and foremost, in-person product is well down the list.
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Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Newburgh, NY
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This is the issue for MLB. The amount of shared money coming in makes it possible to have an empty stadium and still turn a profit if payroll is low enough. In fact, the easiest way for a lot of teams to make money is to not try.
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Coordinator
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Land O Lakes FL
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I am very aware that it is a TV product first. It is why I don't see myself paying to go most major sporting events again if I actually care about watching the sport. The question I think all sports leagues have to answer is if the in-person product becomes unwatchable for people in the stadium/arena, does that affect the experience for the people watching at home? I would have said that it would have no effect at all but then Covid happened. The majority of TV viewers hated the empty/limited fan stadium sporting events experience IIRC.
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Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA
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We still seem to be a distance away from getting to the true empty arena experience, there's still millions willing to go endure. Until that stops, neither will the increasing foolishness.
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#2315 |
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Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Maryland
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You know, after a few games of the simulated crowd noise on NFL broadcasts I hardly knew it was there. I don't know if I care about actual crowds, just as long as there is some background noise. At least with football. Baseball is so quiet most of the time that I don't know if I really care.
I generally don't care about going to live games and will gladly stay at home. But that's me, I am a lazy homebody. Exception was for Purdue stuff where the boy was going to be playing with the band. I'll tell you though, when you're wet and it's overcast and in the 30s those media timeouts are INTERMINABLE. Probably different if you're just sitting outside on a nice warm night.
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Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Covington, Ga.
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Solecismic Software
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Canton, OH
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I don't think that's true with major college football. You can spitball with the numbers from 100,000 Michigan fans 7-8 times a year, plus luxury boxes, plus seat licenses, plus what that experience does to generate donations from the major boosters. But that's not necessarily affected by longer commercial breaks. For younger people, it was a push to have increased cell-tower coverage within the stadium. That was a big deal for a while. They're used to constant interruptions and have the attention spans of small woodland creatures, so they're OK if they're even inclined to go anyway. It's really whether the football cart can continue to push the entire broadcast television paradigm. You hear speculation these days that if football leaves the broadcast networks, the entire television advertising market collapses. Already, you have these ubiquitous rerun networks going 24/7 on a handful of old products, the same 5-10 commercials running in almost every commercial break. It can't cost much to run those ads. But even those channels are disappearing in favor of the QVC model - real-time broadcast is rapidly shrinking as a viable commodity. The Decades channel tried higher quality and producing an independent content show on its own - they just failed and rebranded after losing a few more stations (it's now Catchy Comedy, no more drama shows). At what point does the model simply break because rights cost too much to make up for with increased ads? The NFL realized they had passed the advertising saturation barrier more than a decade ago, but college keeps on going with lower ratings because there are several products to buy. Now, though, they're faced with consolidation because the Big Ten and the SEC have broken through, captured more of the market. There's talk of the Pac-12 going streaming-only. It feels like there's about to be major change and it's going to be difficult to work that out without having people who want a product pay for that product. In that case, the entire commercial interruption model will need adjustment. |
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Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA
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Yeah, the cell phone signal issue showed up big in just about every declining attendance study I saw/heard mentioned. The NCAA's own data release, dated 2019, showed the "FBS Autonomy Schools" revenue as 35% media rights, 23% donor contributions/endowments, 19% Ticket Sales, 9% Royalties & Licensing I believe we can separate catering to the luxury box contributor segment of the crowd versus (relatively speaking) Joe Q. Public in the stands with the unwashed masses. I didn't mean to imply that tickets are completely irrelevant yet, but their importance is declining as the TV dollars dwarf them.
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World Champion Mis-speller
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Covington, Ga.
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Meanwhile, in Colorado....37 players have entered the Player Portal, leaving only 11 returning scholarship players. Deion is betting on being able to completely rebuild the team through transfers.
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This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off.
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: In Absentia
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I think the real number is closing in on 60 since he took over. I believe it's just over 40 since April 15.
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Join Date: Oct 2004
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I'm convinced that Notre Dame figured out that they only way they can beat Alabama is infiltrating and destroying them from inside. |
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#2322 | |
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Join Date: Oct 2005
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Okay, I know it's a ways off but saw this on the forum. The Hogs have to give him a shot right?
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No idea how really good he is but as a HS freshman he's 6-0 and 200-210lbs. What the heck do they feed these kids nowadays? |
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#2323 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
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I'm feeling so old with these kids of famous players now going to college.
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#2324 | |
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Join Date: Oct 2005
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Guess it's official now on Texas & Oklahoma. Welcome to the SEC!
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#2325 | |
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Join Date: Oct 2005
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The rich get richer. Congrats Dawgs.
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#2326 |
College Starter
Join Date: Oct 2004
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Given that Stetson Bennett still somehow doesn't have an undergrad degree, I'm sure they will somehow find him more eligibility and he'll beat this guy out for the starting job.
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#2327 |
World Champion Mis-speller
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Covington, Ga.
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Betson Stennett. He will be a remarkably old looking freshman walkon.
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#2328 |
Coordinator
Join Date: Oct 2000
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Looks like discord in the ACC: Florida State, Clemson among seven ACC schools examining grant of rights agreement, per reports - CBSSports.com
From what I gather, it sounds like Florida State, Clemson, UNC, NC State, Miami, Virginia Tech, and UVA are examining the grant of rights and looking at either uneven revenue sharing or figuring out a way to disband the conference. Uneven revenue sharing has historically been a death knell for conferences that appease their heavyweights right before the conference comes unglued (see Miami with the Big East and Texas with the Big 12) and the tricky thing about getting out of the grant of rights, that is said to be 'airtight,' is that the schools would be looking to screw over their television partner(s) (ESPN, in this case) and then hope that they can get a better TV contract. Some of these schools have been sitting comfortably for a a long time and seem to be in denial about what the Big Ten and SEC have been doing. I think UNC and UVA seem like they would fit into the Big Ten really well, possibly with Oregon and Washington, but I don't necessarily see homes for both Florida schools or Clemson due to redundant markets in the SEC. I could see NC State and VA Tech in the SEC, if UNC and UVA go to the Big Ten, but I don't think that would be a slam dunk either. If I am BC or Wake Forest or maybe Syracuse, I am not sleeping real well at night these days. My hope is that WVU might get reunited with some of their traditional rivals when everything shakes out. |
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#2329 |
College Starter
Join Date: Oct 2004
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Can the whole conference realignment shit just shake out already? I just want to move forward to whatever its going to be and then decide if its worth me paying attention or not.
I did laugh at this though: https://twitter.com/RedditCFB/status...7Ctwgr%5Etweet Last edited by bob : 05-16-2023 at 03:51 PM. |
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Solecismic Software
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Canton, OH
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Until they figure out that football belongs in its own league, apart from all the other sports, it's going to be tough. Lawyers are going to make billions.
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#2331 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: the yo'
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Stetson Bennet didn’t graduate? Seems impossible
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#2332 |
World Champion Mis-speller
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Covington, Ga.
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I don't think Stetson is as bright as people thought he was.
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This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off.
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: In Absentia
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Looks can be deceiving and he could be a genius, but the starting point is "semi-athletic Screech" so...
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#2334 | |
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Join Date: Oct 2005
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Looks like next week is when SEC will make some big decisions. I hope permanent opponents will be part of it.
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Join Date: Oct 2005
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8 game format for 2024. Not sure why they just decided on 1 year. Full schedule on Jun 14.
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#2336 |
World Champion Mis-speller
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Covington, Ga.
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Sankey said they had already put in work on the schedule changes for 2025- but they didn't have time for major changes in 2024 due to the lack of time they have had since it was official Texas and Oklohoma was joining that soon.
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Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA
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So we'll lose classic rivalries like Georgia-Auburn and Alabama-Tennessee in order to insure that both get to play (picking on one example, there are others) fucking Missouri. Golly, I know THAT'S a priority for both fan bases. Nobody fan outside the state of Missouri gives two shits about the Tigers being IN the SEC much less about playing them ... that happened in the first place due to greed, now the rivalry games die to the same cause.
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World Champion Mis-speller
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Covington, Ga.
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I was told by a reporter who talked to Sankey that Georgia-Auburn will likely continue. So will Alabama-Tennessee. We will see.
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Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA
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So you give up Georgia-Florida and UT-Vandy instead. (could explain why the negotiations with Jacksonville were so low key) Ditching the divisions is fucking stupid but so was adding Mizzou and A&M, much less the latest acquisitions. "It just means more" is a cute slogan ... but seems silly once you kill the real reasons it HAS meant more to the fan base.
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Join Date: Oct 2020
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They should just keep divisions but call them conferences. They could call one the Southeastern Conference and the other the Southwestern Conference.
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Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: homeless in NJ
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So the times were announced for the Huskies first three games. One game is on PAC 12 which isn't on Direct TV and a monster of an early season matchup between UW and Michigan state will be streamed exclusively on Peacock. Are you fucking kidding me?
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Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Cowtown, TX
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Hey now - adding us (aTm) was brilliant. Mizzou was the question mark (not sure what they bring). Bringing in Texas and OU is fucking stupid. |
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Head Coach
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Maryland
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A lot of shit -- including games -- I end up watching because it's on TV. You put UW and Michigan State on Peacock and fuck if I'm going to search it out (or even know it's there). I'm just going to watch whatever is on ABC/ESPN/CBS.
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World Champion Mis-speller
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Covington, Ga.
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Jon, no that was not what he was saying. He said Sankey suggested they are going to keep primary rivals and the major secondary rivals as much as possible in the 2024 season. This is just dealing with that season not what happens beyond. My guess is they will extort more money out of ESPN and have a 9 game conference schedule with primary and secondary rivals heading forward if possible.
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Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Cocoa Beach, FL
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I would counter with the current conference schedule with divisions where some teams only play each other once every seven years is fucking stupid. Better to try and preserve some of the historic rivalries while ensuring that every team plays every other team home and away at least once during a player's college career. Last edited by Vegas Vic : 06-02-2023 at 11:11 AM. |
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Solecismic Software
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Canton, OH
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It would be nice to get this transition phase over with so the rest of the college sports universe can get back to a conference alignment.
Meanwhile, the "portal" apparently has almost 3,000 players this year, and only about half of them are going in or out of Colorado. With 16 schools, widely different schedules and this poorly-thought-out "playoff" structure and no more divisions, it's going to be better to finish third in a conference than second, which will often come down to tie-breakers. Who's going to tell the top-five UCLA softball team they have to spend an April weekend flying for hours, then huddled in East Lansing, waiting out the freezing drizzle to get three run-rule mercy games out of the way? With all that money and no realistic way to have a March-Madness style mass playoff, major college football is not in a good place right now. But the alternative would mean divorcing from television contracts approaching $100 million per year, per school. It's too bad the Buggles aren't around any more. We need a new song to describe this. |
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Join Date: Oct 2004
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Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA
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Nobody. Gives. A. Shit. about some of those missing teams. A&M doesn't care if they play South Cackalackey. Nobody in the east gives the slightest fuck if they ever play Missouri. The expansion(s) pad pockets but they diminish the core fan experience with each and every round.
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
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When a conference gets that big, it's essentially a league. You can't go by the old way of everyone has to play each other an equal number of times.
I think you're better off making the divisions and having those teams only play the teams in those divisions. That seems like the approach and that game every 7 years can be seen the same way an out-of-conference game is seen. Heck, I would only count divisional games in determining who plays for the conference title so there is no crying about unbalanced schedules. Personally, I think all conferences should be 10 teams, maybe 12 tops. You get to play everyone every year and the conferences take on their own style. But I feel I'm in the minority these days as everyone seems to want these gigantic conferences with no soul. |
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Checkraising Tourists
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Cocoa Beach, FL
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