08-15-2005, 07:07 PM | #1301 |
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Where is the executioner?
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Good point on the wolf kill the night you get hanged. I sit corrected. 4 kills, possibly 5 kills for one. |
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08-15-2005, 07:08 PM | #1303 | |
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08-15-2005, 07:09 PM | #1304 |
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Before I get hanged, good luck SnDvls. I understand why you didn't want to get involved and especially switch your vote to me.
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08-15-2005, 07:28 PM | #1305 |
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Peregrine, do the seer items (Amulet/Pendant) reveal sorcerors as sorcerors or as villagers? In other words, do they just do wolf detection or can they distinguish the sorceror?
Sorry if this has already been spelled out - I re-read the first post and did not see a distinction there. I'll ask again - have any of the villagers been able to use any seer items to clear villagers earlier in the game? There is only one instance of this that I can recall over the last few days. Fouts had the Amulet early in the game, but it was stolen from him. We have heard no sign of the Amulet since then. I'm all for someone playing it close to the vest with this item, but I would hope they would speak up if a villager's life was on the line that they could clear. Because this has never happened in this game I've been holding onto the notion that the wolves had this item. But that doesn't resonate with how quickly they have accumulated silver. |
08-15-2005, 07:31 PM | #1306 |
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I imagine that whoever has the amulet would speak up if he knew something. Least I hope he would. It seems our amulet possessor has been very unlucky with his viewings.
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08-15-2005, 07:35 PM | #1307 | |
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08-15-2005, 07:36 PM | #1308 |
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Thanks for the clarification.
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08-15-2005, 07:44 PM | #1309 |
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Final voting - No surprises here
Raiders Army - Mr. Wednesday, hoopsguy, eaglesfan27, Raiders Army, Vince, MrBug708, ardent, Coffee Warlord, Schmidty Hoopsguy - Ring Superman - Sndvls Vince - kingfc22, Superman To no one's surprise, Raiders Army is lynched today. Also to no one's real surprise, he is a werewolf! 11 of you are left alive. Raiders Army had 1 silver piece which will be distributed to a random person. Night 6 Lathum - Lynched Day 2 - villager kingfc22 sundvls blade6119 - Lynched Day 4 - villager Coffee Warlord Henry296 - killed Night 4 - villager BrianD - killed Night 3 - villager digamma - Lynched Day 3 - werewolf eaglesfan27 hoopsguy fouts - Poisoned and died Night 3 - villager schmidty dubb93 - killed Night 2 - villager vince Qwikshot - Lynched Day 1 - Sorceror RealDeal - Killed Night 5 - villager Jeff061 - Killed Night 1 - Sorceror Raiders Army - Lynched Day 6 - werewolf Mr. Wednesday MrBug708 Superman=#54 ardent enthusiast Night actions due by midnight Last edited by Peregrine : 08-15-2005 at 07:45 PM. |
08-15-2005, 07:45 PM | #1310 |
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What? I was a wolf???
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08-15-2005, 07:46 PM | #1311 |
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Whew.
Big fat congratulations to Raiders Army -- he had me doubting myself
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08-15-2005, 07:47 PM | #1312 |
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And the award for best BS job by a werewolf goes to...
Raiders Army! |
08-15-2005, 07:47 PM | #1313 | |
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08-15-2005, 07:48 PM | #1314 |
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Come on, I had to have had someone convinced I was a villager!
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08-15-2005, 07:49 PM | #1315 |
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A+++++++ for effort.
Talk about running the marathon. 3 days now? Nice . |
08-15-2005, 07:51 PM | #1316 |
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Second game in a row I've played with RA where he's talked AMAZINGLY out of his ass. Good to see he failed this time. Kudos to ya, though.
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08-15-2005, 07:52 PM | #1317 |
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Yeah, excellent job RA. You really had me questioning my vote.
We should only have 1 more wolf to lynch! |
08-15-2005, 07:52 PM | #1318 |
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I'm still wondering if it is better or worse to have 3 days to try to talk everyone into believing that you aren't a wolf. It didn't work for me either during my 3-day marathon.
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08-15-2005, 07:54 PM | #1319 |
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So - where do we go from here?
Voting pattern was pretty one-sided on this one as well. How hard do we scrutinize people who voted with Raiders? I'm more inclined to look at the RealDeal/Raiders vote as was a close one pitting villager vs wolf. Yes, RealDeal was divisive but I think that at the end of the game we'll see that the wolves were aligned on this one. In particular, I would look for votes later in the day for RealDeal and at the two people (Eagles and Schmidty) that I called out for not changing votes late. I'm wondering where these people reside within other peoples own circles of trust. My circle right now - Vince is in, Superman is a close 2nd. Vince worked over a known wolf in Raiders. Superman cast the deciding vote against a known wolf. There are others that I trust more than distrust, but those are two that I think are least likely to sprout fangs. |
08-15-2005, 07:56 PM | #1320 | |
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Good game, and now I sit back to watch the wolves win! BTW, I'm calling PETA to tell them you just harmed a wolf. |
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08-15-2005, 07:58 PM | #1321 |
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Not necessarily though. If he had been on time it would of been announced as being a tie before the deadline. At least that's how I read Peregrine's post.
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08-15-2005, 07:59 PM | #1322 |
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Ok, 11 people left.
2 Werewolves killed -- Digamma and Raiders Army. 1 Werewolf left. 1 Sorceror left. 9-1-1 right now, 8-2 after the night is over (unless there are restrictions on how quickly the Book of the Damned must be used after the first conversion, which I doubt). We're in fairly good shape, but we should really hope to find another wolf within the next day or two. My current top candidates are MrBug, Superman and kingfc22. Hopefully night actions will leave me alive, and somehow the wolves won't be able to use the book that I know they have.
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08-15-2005, 08:00 PM | #1323 | |
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I think it might be worse to have the extra time. I think I had people going my way early and then lost them later. You seemed to go the same way. |
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08-15-2005, 08:03 PM | #1324 | |
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I wouldn't assume the 8-2. The Werewolf might decide to create an extra sorceror to help give him more "voting power." |
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08-15-2005, 08:04 PM | #1325 | |
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Thanks for reminding me of this, hoopsguy -- that effectively takes Superman off my list.
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08-15-2005, 08:05 PM | #1326 | |
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Why do you trust Superman when he didn't vote for Raiders Army? Personally, I find those that didn't vote for Raiders Army to be at the top of my list considering the evidence was so strong against him after RealDeal died. It wasn't as strong before RealDeal died. |
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08-15-2005, 08:07 PM | #1327 |
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Nevermind, I just re-read your post. He did cast the final vote for a werewolf. However, I find his vote tonight very suspicious and it casts some doubt.
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08-15-2005, 08:08 PM | #1328 |
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Superman is the one who voted to get Raiders lynched the first day, when he still had the Coat of Arms. I think that's a fairly significant vote that a wolf would never cast.
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08-15-2005, 08:09 PM | #1329 |
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Unless the wolf wanted to clear himself of all doubt and get himself high into the "circle of trust."
However, that would make his vote tonight even more curious. |
08-15-2005, 08:10 PM | #1330 |
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Huh, we have different lists Vince.
Already posted my thoughts on Superman - would a wolf have voted for another wolf as the tie-breaking vote? Would a sorceror take that chance so late in the action after a case had been compiled against Raiders? Bug - knew in Post #992 that RealDeal did not have the Coat of Arms before it was posted by RealDeal in #1075. Then cops to having stolen the Notebook from Vince. So it is pretty clear he had an item that allowed stealing. I don't think a wolf goes public about that. I would think he would just move the item on or try to use it to his advantage. Not remotely cleared by this, in my mind, but not atop my suspects list either. |
08-15-2005, 08:11 PM | #1331 |
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Heh, good point Eaglesfan27. My little brother is looking over my shoulder right now saying "Man, if you were a wolf, you'd be in amazing shape right now." I don't think I'd ever have the cojones to pull a move that bold as a wolf...especially against a guy who has flown under the radar as well as RA has.
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08-15-2005, 08:15 PM | #1332 |
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RA really wasn't flying that well under the rader with the evidence that you and hoopsguy had available at that time. However, certainly he could have voted for RealDeal and swayed the vote that way. No one would have blamed him either, as wierd as RealDeal was acting.
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08-15-2005, 08:25 PM | #1333 |
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I think that if I were the wolves, and I saw Blade and RealDeal arguing, I would be stoked. I would also immediately tell my compatriot wolves to split the vote. When we were voting between RealDeal and Blade, the three people voting with me against RealDeal (opposite of RA on Blade) were Blade, Superman=#54 and Eaglesfan27. On top of that, after some strong evidence pointing towards Raiders Army as a wolf, Eaglesfan27 still voted for RealDeal.
I think Eaglesfan27 bears some watching the next day or two.
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08-15-2005, 08:28 PM | #1334 |
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OK, one last post before I do some studying tonight - want to take a look at the activity the day of Real/Raiders:
Post #988 - we get word that Henry is dead and the Book was read Post #989 - Wednesday used pendant, found SnDvls to be villager Post #992 - Mr. Bug says that RealDeal doesn't have Coat of Arms Post #997 - AE puts Eaglesfan and Raiders in his Circle of Trust (added because a wolf was in circle, for what that is worth) Post #1002 - AE casts first vote of day, for King. Reiterates his circle of trust, says the hammer man is out Post #1003 - AE claims to know who Henry passed the Robe to before dying Post #1005 - AE claims to have talked with Henry before he died and that Henry indicated where he would pass the Robe Post #1006 - I post why I suspect Raiders Post #1008 - I ask AE to reveal the hammer guy if he is not in circle Post #1009 - Raiders cites Post #737 where he listed guys as wolf suspects based on posting during Digamma vote as why I would be suspicious of him. I'll need to review this ... Post #1011 - AE says he suspects King for being 'under the radar' Post #1014 - Coffee says he held the hammer early in the game, was passed to him on first night and that AE can corroborate this fact. Was passed a potion the night before, didn't see a reason to destroy it. Will pass hammer on this night. Post #1015 - Real says he passed Coat and 1SP to Henry last night - so now wolves have both Post #1016 - AE confirms that Coffee was hammer guy Post #1018 - AE admits he lied about passing items to Coffee, but can't pass items he doesn't have and didn't want to let on that he got bupkus Post #1019 - Eagles casts 2nd vote of day, first for RealDeal - says RD's lousy personality should not exonerate him from wolf status Post #1021 - Raiders says he thinks AE is safe (Note - bit of a love fest between these two this morning) Continues to say there is no evidence for/against RealDeal Post #1022 - Eagles says he will switch vote if new evidence comes to light (Another note - I thought new evidence did come to light, but that is just me ...) Post #1023 - AE asks for list of who voted for who Post #1030 - Raiders says that voting patterns unlikely to help except for Digamma and Blade deaths, and not at all if Real is a villager Post #1031 - AE is disappointed that Coffee outed himself Post #1035 - Coffee trusts person he is shipping hammer to Post #1036 - RealDeal votes for RealDeal (Note - dammit, this was counterproductive for villagers) To be continued, as this post is already getting long. |
08-15-2005, 08:40 PM | #1335 |
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I feel stupid for changing my initial thought that Raiders was a wolf. I am just a villager as that is all I will say. You can call me gullible, but you can't call me a wolf. I congratulate Raiders for persuading me to get his vote.
I have no one to suspect, and if you suspect that I am a wolf or sorceror than you are wasting your time.
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I'm going to be very annoyed if RealDeal's antics lead to my lynching. I voted for him because he was HIGHLY suspicious and acting like a jackass. You can say that I let my emotions dictate my voting, but I'm not your wolf or sorceror. |
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08-15-2005, 08:52 PM | #1337 |
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Also, I find your lack of including Schmidty in that above post suspicious. He thought RealDeal needed to go as well.
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08-15-2005, 08:58 PM | #1339 | |
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I wanted him to go for the same reasons you did. He made the game tedious and irritating. Period.
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Care to clarify that?
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Ha. You're saying because we both used the word sigh we have a love fest? Come on. You're not thinking straight if this is the case.
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Honestly, the guy has been uber-active and pointing fingers left and right. He voted with a werewolf, apologized and yet has somehow escaped suspicion while accusing anyone and everyone he can. To me THAT'S very suspicious. The ONLY time I voted for a villager was for RealDeal. Other than that, I've supported getting the bad guys everytime. I only voted for RD because I was wary of his mind-games, and tired of his childish antics. Yet, I'm at the top of hoopsguy's list for THAT??? Ridiculous.
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08-15-2005, 09:16 PM | #1344 |
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Post #1038 - Real says he thought AE was good, but was likely candidate to die. So he passed to Henry, who died.
Post #1039 - SnDvls posted voting patterns from first four days. Worth reviewing and updating ... Post #1041 - SnDvls casts the first vote for Raiders Post #1042 - Wednesday votes for Raiders - shot in the dark based on suspicious voting record Post #1044 - Raiders asks SnDvls for reasoning behind vote Post #1048 - SnDvls says that he also suspects Superman and Bug Post #1049 - AE says he is suspicious of Superman. Also says he isn't getting items Post #1051 - SnDvls says he isn't getting items either Post #1052 - Mr. Wednesday says he trusts Sun, think Vince believes him Post #1053 - Bug votes for Raiders, says he doesn't have much to go on Post #1054 - I say that I have two candidates, Real and Raiders, but would like more to go on before voting Post #1055 - SnDlvs says he thinks RealDeal is OK. Raiders and Bug are his two primary suspects, with Superman #3 on his list. Cites vote/unvote behavior of Raiders and Bug as reasons for suspicion Post #1057 - Raiders not happy about getting votes Post #1058 - Raiders votes for RealDeal - doesn't think that RealDeal is a wolf, but will vote for him out of self-preservation Post #1059 - Vince goes all sneaky in calling Raiders a wolf Post #1060 - SnDvls unvotes Raiders, votes for Superman. (Note: after commenting on Raiders and Bug flip-flopping votes being suspicious just a few posts earlier. Funny/weird, depending on how you read it.) Post #1061 - Superman wants to know why he was voted for here Post #1062 - Coffee says he is out for awhile, so votes for RealDeal (Note: he was not around in last 1.5 hours to change his vote) Also says he wasn't thrilled with pissing contest night before Post #1064 - Raiders suggest Real is sorceror? Wants us to get a wolf or sorceror in next two days (Note: Mission Accomplished). Says he doesn't want to reveal items he has possessed for fear of being a target Post #1065 - Vince reminds Raiders he is a target for some people. Calls Raiders bluff on sorceror, suggests that Real might still have coat when he knows that Raiders has it Post #1068 - Raiders agrees that Henry might have coat, asks why anyone would want to vote for themselves if they didn't hold the coat Post #1071 - Raiders says he passed Saber of Duels night before to Henry, who died Post #1072 - Peregrine updates vote counts Post #1075 - RealDeal posts all of his game actions, again asks to be killed that night Post #1078 - Vince calls me out for being quiet - possible conversion target? Wants my take Post #1079 - SnDvls worries that AE may have been converted Post #1080 - Vince trusts only himself, Wednesday, and SnDvls Post #1081 - Bug changes vote from Raiders to AE. Says he thought he was wolf or converted Post #1082 - Peregrine updates voting Posts #1083/1084 - I respond to Vince, point out that Coffee/AE seem tied together. So do Wednesday/SnDvls. List thoughts on RealDeal, Raiders, and EaglesFan Post #1086 - Vince breaks off Raiders as the owner of the Coat. Votes for him Post #1087 - Schmidty votes for Schmidty. Sixteen minutes elapsed between these posts. Post #1088 - Eagles responds to me saying he has been busy and a little gunshy about analysis after misreads in previous WW game. (Note: did not change his vote to Raiders at this point, did not respond to Vince's post) Post #1089 - I vote for Raiders. I confirm that I passed Notebook to Vince, which he used to out Raiders Post #1090 - Kingfc votes Raiders, cites analysis of Vince/Hoops and says he thinks we are villagers Post #1091 - Mr. Wednesday moves from Eagles over to Raiders Post #1092 - Mr. Wednesday flip-flops back, worried about wasting two days on Raiders (Note: why keep vote on Eagles here - still don't understand this, but glad it wasn't a vote for RealDeal) Post #1093 - Eagles now comments on Vince's handiwork, but still thinks Real may also be a wolf. Stands by his vote. Post #1094 - Vince responds to Eagles, tries to demonstrate that this scenario is unlikely (which proved to be the case) Post #1095 - SnDvls switches vote from Superman to Raiders Post #1096 - Vince says that Raiders has to be the wolf after reviewing description of Gloves Post #1097 - I try to argue that Real is likely to be villager since he surrendered the Coat when up for lynching, cite order of posts as showing that Real wasn't falling into line with Vince since Real posted first. Finally said that Real as sorceror was very unlikely Post #1098 - I sweat the vote count, as it sits, has Real getting hung despite evidence against Raiders Post #1100 - I note that Schmidty is only active person on board at the moment, but is not in the thread (20 mins before deadline) Post #1101 - Eagles thinks RealDeal is pulling fast one, will vote for Raiders the next day if we are wrong (19 mins before deadline) Post #1103 - I ask Eagles and Schmidty to consider changing their votes - saw them viewing thread (18 mins before deadline) Post #1104 - I ask Eagles to swap his order - Raiders 1st, then Real (17 minutes before deadline) Post #1105 - Eagles concedes that Raiders is almost certainly a wolf, but thinks Real is as well. Real is liability even if villager. Not 100% sure on Raiders, wants to read again (15 minutes) Post #1110 - I ask Schmidty to comment, have seen him in thread two times in last ten minutes (6 minutes remain) Post #1112 - Eagles confirms he is sticking with Real - apologizes if wrong. Worries about taking two days to get wolf with coat, wants to get Real first, who he thinks is wolf (1 minute) Post #1113 - I fume that two people had power to change the vote but did not: Eagles and Schmidty (0 minutes) Post #1115 - Schmidty responds that he was cooking for last half hour, was not viewing thread (+2 minutes) Post #1116 - Eagles is more suspicious of non-voters than Schmidty. Says he may be wrong, but it is not malicious wolf activity Post #1117 - I state that Schmidty showed as being in thread twice in last fifteen minutes with different timestamps - he was not away from computer for thirty minutes. I tell Eagles that I had been watching Online Users and had not seen anyone else besides those two online in last 25 minutes Post #1118 - Eagles asks how many wolves are left Post #1121 - Schmidty calls me Mr. Mason - tells me that he knows what he was doing better than I do Post #1122 - I maintain I saw two different timestamps for Schmidty in this thread during the last twenty minutes - take it for whatever it is worth Post #1123 - King cites non-vote by Superman Post #1127 - King calls out Real for not changing his vote Post #1128 - Peregrine posts that the Ring vote came in late, tying up the vote and extends deadline by forty minutes Post #1131 - I ask Eagles, Schmidty, and RealDeal to consider changing their votes with new deadline Post #1132 - RealDeal does not. (Note: IDIOT! This is where he totally lost me, much more than when he fought with Blade) Post #1133 - Schmidty suggests my insistence is raising eyebrows Post #1134 - Eagles not changing if RealDeal isn't changing Post #1135 - King suggests that RealDeal is trying too hard to save Raiders Post #1141-1144 - Eagles and Schmidty are confused with my post venting about RealDeal, ask if I have admitted to being wolf? Post #1145 - I attempt to be more clear about my frustration with RealDeal's play Post #1146 - I ask Schmidty if he thinks Raiders is a wolf? Post #1147 - Superman votes Raiders. There is much joy in the streets of the Village of the Damned Post #1148 - Kingfc is happy Post #1149 - Eagles worries that RealDeal may have lethal items, hopes we are right about Raiders Post #1150 - Schmidty thinks there is good chance that Real/Raiders is wolf, thinks other one is below the radar Post #1151 - Still working on Eagles, I re-present the evidence Post #1153 - Eagles says he allowed someone to change his mind in previous game and it worked out poorly, so he will stick to his guns here. Post #1154 - I try to construct arguments for Raiders - hoping to disarm some of his defenses later in the game by bringing the ideas up for scrutiny Post #1158 - Raiders comes online, sees votes, says he will defend himself tomorrow Post #1161 - RealDeal defends his behavior, states he has no items and one silver piece Post #1167 - Peregrine reveals that Raiders has the Coat Now I would encourage everyone to re-read these posts themselves if they are concerned I have posted them in a manner that is unfair/unflattering to their position. |
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I need to re-look at this, but I only included the people Peregrine counted at the end of the day vote.
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Guys, there is a lot of data here. I tried not to drop my opinions in on every post in this grouping. Again, please re-read these yourselves and post alternate interpretations - that kind of discussion should be helpful for us.
AE - early on that day you had Raiders in the "circle" and he supported you. Came up several times within a couple of threads. You had both talked to Henry, so perhaps that played a role. I don't know for sure but would be happy to hear your thoughts. I'm not flat accusing anyone at this point, but I think it is pretty clear from re-reading these that I was unbelievably frustrated with RealDeal, Eagles, and Schmidty down the stretch. And I would point out that I was on the correct side with both RealDeal and Raiders as villager/wolf. I went way out on a limb here to try and kill a wolf. I find it hard to believe that anyone would suspect me as a bad guy at this point, even with the Digamma voting blunder earlier, after re-reading these posts. But they are there for anyone to review who has the time and inclination. Draw your own conclusions. I also wanted to make sure I got these out of the way tonight in case I get clipped. |
08-15-2005, 09:24 PM | #1347 | |
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Obviously we need to double-check your evidence since the above quote proves that it's flawed.
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08-15-2005, 09:24 PM | #1348 |
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Oh, and
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08-15-2005, 09:25 PM | #1349 | |
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Ditto. I've voted for the Wolf or sorceror EVERY other time including today. I was part of the answer in getting Qwikshot early. Now, that was luck. But the Wolves know who the sorcerors were. Do you really think I'd vote for a sorceror (a deciding vote) if I was a freaking wolf. |
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08-15-2005, 09:27 PM | #1350 |
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Well, once Vince revealed his info on him, I voted for RA. I put RA in my circle based off PMs with henry, who had cleared RA. Obviously I voted for RA, and I think it's general consensus I'm at least a villager...with worst come to worst a converted sorcerer. Still, even as a converted sorcerer I wouldn't know RA was a wolf. I feel you're trying to implicate me here, and you couldn't be further from the truth.
Still a villager and hunting for a wolf and a sorcerer.
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