Kellen WInslow, Jr. -- Now, about that incentive-laden contract...

QuikSand · 05-02-2005, 02:55 PM

It appears that our "warrior" lost a battle with a parking lot curb.

Plain Dealer article

QuikSand · 05-02-2005, 02:57 PM

ESPN article

Ben E Lou · 05-02-2005, 03:00 PM

Somewhere, Ron Gant is wincing.

Warhammer · 05-02-2005, 03:01 PM

Doesn't he have an incentive to break Ki-Jana Carter's record for most games missed?

Franklinnoble · 05-02-2005, 03:08 PM

Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy...

CleBrownsfan · 05-02-2005, 03:08 PM

I give up...

stevew · 05-02-2005, 03:26 PM

...just when you thought cleveland was getting its shit together.

Samdari · 05-02-2005, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

...just when you thought cleveland was getting its shit together.

What exactly made you think that?

stevew · 05-02-2005, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Samdari

What exactly made you think that?

Good draft, quality owner, new coach, good offseason moves. Now I'm not sure whats up with their line or defense, but they have a decent blend on offense adding Droughns and Edwards and hopefully having Winslow over the middle.

scooper · 05-02-2005, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Good draft, quality owner, new coach, good offseason moves. Now I'm not sure whats up with their line or defense, but they have a decent blend on offense adding Droughns and Edwards and hopefully having Winslow over the middle.

You mean Droughns the holdout? That's a nice move. Trade for a system RB who immediately holds out.

JeeberD · 05-02-2005, 03:54 PM

You would have thought that these guys would have learned something from the whole Jason Williams thing...

stevew · 05-02-2005, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by scooper

You mean Droughns the holdout? That's a nice move. Trade for a system RB who immediately holds out.

Oh, didnt realize he was holding out. Cleveland sucked ass over the last several years, its pretty obvious. All I'm saying is that they made some good moves, and this happening hurts pretty bad. I hate the Browns anyways.

scooper · 05-02-2005, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Oh, didnt realize he was holding out. Cleveland sucked ass over the last several years, its pretty obvious. All I'm saying is that they made some good moves, and this happening hurts pretty bad. I hate the Browns anyways.

Yep, he's one of a handful of guys Rosenhaus has holding out right now. TO being the big one, of course. I'm not fond of them either, but I fear with Savage around, the bad decisions may start to dwindle. Unless that dirty Cuyahoga water rots his mind.

Cringer · 05-02-2005, 04:57 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!

Winslow is a dork

yabanci · 05-02-2005, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CleBrownsfan

I give up...

You can always root for Denver. At least the defensive line will make you feel at home.

amdaily · 05-02-2005, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by scooper

You mean Droughns the holdout? That's a nice move. Trade for a system RB who immediately holds out.

That was a terrible move. I would never trade for RB from Denver, much less one that was already crying for a new contract.

When all is said and done, I think William Green will be the Browns leading rusher this year. Droughins will look horrible when and if he comes back and Suggs will get hurt very early on, again. Green appears to have everything back in order and could be the back he was during the second half of his rookie year.

Sharpieman · 05-02-2005, 05:03 PM

Wait, who was supposed to be the browns QB this year?

Joe · 05-02-2005, 05:07 PM

Winslow's a fuckin soldier.

Sharpieman · 05-02-2005, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sharpieman

Wait, who was supposed to be the browns QB this year?

Sharpie, it will be either Trent Dilfer or rookie Charlie Frye. So in retrospect, having Winslow uninjured wouldn't matter.

SunDevil · 05-02-2005, 05:33 PM

Karma is a bitch

duckman · 05-02-2005, 05:44 PM

"I don't see no fruit basket! Are you trying to starve my client?!"

Maple Leafs · 05-02-2005, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by duckman

"I don't see no fruit basket! Are you trying to starve my client?!"

"I ain't leaving until I get my happy ending!"

wade moore · 05-02-2005, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Sharpieman

Sharpie, it will be either Trent Dilfer or rookie Charlie Frye. So in retrospect, having Winslow uninjured wouldn't matter.

I'm rooting for URFA Lang Campbell... woohoo!

CleBrownsfan · 05-02-2005, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by yabanci

You can always root for Denver. At least the defensive line will make you feel at home.

Yeah, good luck with that sorry ass ex-Cleveland DL

cthomer5000 · 05-03-2005, 08:42 PM

This story will be just too funny if he ends up owning the Browns a large portion of his signing bonus.

Draft Dodger · 05-03-2005, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Sharpieman

Sharpie, it will be either Trent Dilfer or rookie Charlie Frye. So in retrospect, having Winslow uninjured wouldn't matter.

does "Sharpie" always answer his own questions?

cincyreds · 05-03-2005, 08:56 PM

He's an idiot!!

He is a spoiled brat whose got alot of money, but hopefully not for long.

I'd cut him right now if he were on my team.

Stupid arrogant, no good for nothing....

JonInMiddleGA · 05-03-2005, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by cincyreds

He's an idiot!!

They should have known that when they drafted him.

No, wait, I forgot ... he's a solider

sabotai · 05-03-2005, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

They should have known that when they drafted him.

No, wait, I forgot ... he's a solider

No, no...he's a fucking soldier!

Sharpieman · 05-03-2005, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

does "Sharpie" always answer his own questions?

No, not always. But thats not the only thing Sharpieman can do. He can also answer questions in the third person.

Sharpieman · 05-03-2005, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by cthomer5000

This story will be just too funny if he ends up owning the Browns a large portion of his signing bonus.

That will probably be the case, because it says specifically in his contract that he can't ride motorcycle.

yabanci · 05-03-2005, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CleBrownsfan

Yeah, good luck with that sorry ass ex-Cleveland DL

As a Raider fan, I say the same thing

stevew · 05-04-2005, 05:14 AM

Im by no means an afficianado of bikes(I do watch American Chopper from time to time), but i googled what he was riding, a Suzuki GSX-R750, which is a slightly higher quality "crotch rocket" type bike. No wonder he got hurt.

Apathetic Lurker · 05-04-2005, 05:43 AM

What did people expect? A brain surgeon? Miami is only school where they hold a parade for you if you score double digits on the Wonderlic

johneh · 05-04-2005, 08:56 AM

There is actually reports now that he was seen earlier that day at a motorcycle show in Canton (approx. 60 miles from where he crashed) with a bunch of more expereinced riders who were popping wheelies, and when Winslow left the show he did a wheelie going about 50 mph. I guess there are several people who can back up the story as he made no secret at the show about being Winslow.

Hammer755 · 05-04-2005, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

Somewhere, Ron Gant is wincing.

I was listening to Gant calling a Braves game early in the season when they started talking about Brian Jordan giving Freddy Gonazales a motorcycle as a reward for giving up his number 33. One of the other announcers (the young Carey, I think) asked Gant something along the lines of 'Hey, you know a thing or two about motorcyles, don't you Ron?' Gant kind of reluctantly stammered out, 'Haha, yeah I know a bit about them.'

Raven Hawk · 05-04-2005, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by sabotai

No, no...he's a fucking soldier!

Now he's hoping for a fucking purple heart . . .

Surtt · 05-04-2005, 02:43 PM

Maybe he was swerving to avoid a land mine.

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 05-04-2005, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Im by no means an afficianado of bikes(I do watch American Chopper from time to time), but i googled what he was riding, a Suzuki GSX-R750, which is a slightly higher quality "crotch rocket" type bike. No wonder he got hurt.

I other words its not newbie friendly.

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 05-04-2005, 11:31 PM

Dola: Can it be possible that he's in worse shape than we are being lead to believe?

JeeberD · 05-05-2005, 12:28 AM

Heard on the radio not long ago that he's still in the hospital with a swollen shoulder and a swollen leg...both so swollen that an MRI can't be done on either part yet.

Doesn't sound life threatening at all, but certainly could be career threatening...

yabanci · 05-05-2005, 01:28 AM

Some new reporting on the incident (summarized by pro football talk):

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Our buddy Pat McManamon of The Akron Beacon Journal reports that Browns tight end Kellen Winslow's motorcycle wreck was the final incident of a long day of riding his relatively new toy.

Per McManamon, Winslow had driven his motorcycle to Canton on Sunday and visited a "bike superstore." Upon leaving the store, an off-duty cop saw Winslow pop a wheelie.

"I looked at the guy working with me and said, 'That's a million-dollar wheelie,'" Eric Stanbro told McManamon.

Winslow held the wheelie for about 100 feet, and the bike was moving fast at the time.

"He gunned it,'' Stanbro said. "He was going real fast. I'd estimate between 40 and 50 miles per hour."

But Winslow appeared to be a novice rider. "It appeared to us he was riding with a bunch of very experienced riders,'' Stanbro said. "The way they were dressed, their bikes. His bike had a 30-day tag on. He looked a little uncertain."

robbgmaier · 05-05-2005, 02:22 AM

as a moutaineer fan, who saw this fuckalinski catch a 4th and 15 pass late in the game which ended up resulting in a winning drive against us.....I laugh my ass off everytime I see this thread. Can we pump it up a little and turn it into the thread that just won't die? I'm thinking of cartoons with little pop up bubbles, .....hanging out with friends....priceless.......the joy of buying a new toy....priceless......being stupid and disrespectful about the terms of an NFL footbool contract.....20 million or so....

HA HA HA HA HA HA.

HA HA HA HA HA HA.

yeah, I know, that's mean......HA HA HA HA HA HA

Cringer · 05-05-2005, 02:45 AM

I bet some would think it's unfair it the Browns cut him, afterall, theysigned a contact....

BigJohn&TheLions · 05-05-2005, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Apatheric Lurker

What did people expect? A brain surgeon? Miami is only school where they hold a parade for you if you score double digits on the Wonderlic

I thought that Winslow wondered why his helmet had a "U" on it when "It would be me wearing it."

albionmoonlight · 05-05-2005, 10:27 AM

http://www.tribune-chronicle.com/spo...1winslow05.asp

Possible torn ACL. Done for season if that's the case.

If he is gone, then I am interested to see how the Browns handle it. On the one hand, they could use the cap relief that getting his bonus and salary back will bring. On the other hand, I am sure that his agents are telling the Browns Front Office that if they don't "do the right thing" and honor his contract (despite the fact that he breached it), they will do everything that they can to portray the Front Office as cheap, callous, and penny pinching to future free agents.

Flasch186 · 05-05-2005, 12:45 PM

LOL

Herd just repeated that, torn ACL...lost for year "Serious"

ageofquarrel · 05-05-2005, 12:58 PM

Reports have been saying that the day of the accident Winslow was in a bike shop watching a video called Star Boyz. The Star Boyz are a Clevand area crotch rocket stunt team, the funny thing I found out today is I used to know their team manager.

Blackadar · 05-05-2005, 01:02 PM

Cost of motorcycle: $10,000.00

Cost of helmet: $150.00

Cost of good protection gear: $350.00

Cost of safety lesions: $500.00

Ruining a promising NFL career over stupidity: Priceless

BigJohn&TheLions · 05-05-2005, 01:12 PM

So let me get this straight...

Winslow hit Jim's garage door, knocked his entire home off its foundation and took out a pole?

05-02-2005, 03:00 PM	#3
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05-02-2005, 04:57 PM	#14
Cringer Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edinburg,TX	HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA! Winslow is a dork __________________ You Stole Fizzy Lifting drinks! You bumped into the ceiling which now has to be washed and steralized, so you get NOTHING! You lose!

05-02-2005, 05:03 PM	#17
Sharpieman Greatly Missed. (7/11/84-06/12/05) Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Palo Alto, CA	Wait, who was supposed to be the browns QB this year? __________________ Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.

05-02-2005, 02:57 PM	#2
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	ESPN article

05-02-2005, 03:01 PM	#4
Warhammer Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dayton, OH	Doesn't he have an incentive to break Ki-Jana Carter's record for most games missed?

05-02-2005, 03:08 PM	#5
Franklinnoble Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Placerville, CA	Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy...

05-02-2005, 03:26 PM	#7
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	...just when you thought cleveland was getting its shit together.

05-02-2005, 05:07 PM	#18
Joe Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Minneapolis	Winslow's a fuckin soldier.

05-02-2005, 05:33 PM	#20
SunDevil College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Tempe, AZ	Karma is a bitch

05-03-2005, 08:56 PM	#27
cincyreds High School Varsity Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Mississippi	He's an idiot!! He is a spoiled brat whose got alot of money, but hopefully not for long. I'd cut him right now if he were on my team. Stupid arrogant, no good for nothing.... __________________ The Dallas Cowboys!! America's Team will rise again. Last edited by cincyreds : 05-03-2005 at 08:56 PM.

05-04-2005, 05:14 AM	#33
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Im by no means an afficianado of bikes(I do watch American Chopper from time to time), but i googled what he was riding, a Suzuki GSX-R750, which is a slightly higher quality "crotch rocket" type bike. No wonder he got hurt.

05-04-2005, 05:43 AM	#34
Apathetic Lurker College Prospect Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Buffalo,NY	What did people expect? A brain surgeon? Miami is only school where they hold a parade for you if you score double digits on the Wonderlic

05-04-2005, 08:56 AM	#35
johneh Mascot Join Date: Jul 2004	There is actually reports now that he was seen earlier that day at a motorcycle show in Canton (approx. 60 miles from where he crashed) with a bunch of more expereinced riders who were popping wheelies, and when Winslow left the show he did a wheelie going about 50 mph. I guess there are several people who can back up the story as he made no secret at the show about being Winslow.

05-04-2005, 02:43 PM	#38
Surtt College Benchwarmer Join Date: Nov 2003	Maybe he was swerving to avoid a land mine.

05-04-2005, 11:31 PM	#40
CHEMICAL SOLDIER College Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Henderson, Nevada	Dola: Can it be possible that he's in worse shape than we are being lead to believe? __________________ Toujour Pret

05-05-2005, 12:28 AM	#41
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Heard on the radio not long ago that he's still in the hospital with a swollen shoulder and a swollen leg...both so swollen that an MRI can't be done on either part yet. Doesn't sound life threatening at all, but certainly could be career threatening... __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

05-05-2005, 02:22 AM	#43
robbgmaier College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2001	as a moutaineer fan, who saw this fuckalinski catch a 4th and 15 pass late in the game which ended up resulting in a winning drive against us.....I laugh my ass off everytime I see this thread. Can we pump it up a little and turn it into the thread that just won't die? I'm thinking of cartoons with little pop up bubbles, .....hanging out with friends....priceless.......the joy of buying a new toy....priceless......being stupid and disrespectful about the terms of an NFL footbool contract.....20 million or so.... HA HA HA HA HA HA. HA HA HA HA HA HA. yeah, I know, that's mean......HA HA HA HA HA HA

05-05-2005, 02:45 AM	#44
Cringer Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edinburg,TX	I bet some would think it's unfair it the Browns cut him, afterall, theysigned a contact.... __________________ You Stole Fizzy Lifting drinks! You bumped into the ceiling which now has to be washed and steralized, so you get NOTHING! You lose!

05-05-2005, 10:27 AM	#46
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	http://www.tribune-chronicle.com/spo...1winslow05.asp Possible torn ACL. Done for season if that's the case. If he is gone, then I am interested to see how the Browns handle it. On the one hand, they could use the cap relief that getting his bonus and salary back will bring. On the other hand, I am sure that his agents are telling the Browns Front Office that if they don't "do the right thing" and honor his contract (despite the fact that he breached it), they will do everything that they can to portray the Front Office as cheap, callous, and penny pinching to future free agents.

05-05-2005, 12:45 PM	#47
Flasch186 Coordinator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Jacksonville, FL	LOL Herd just repeated that, torn ACL...lost for year "Serious" __________________ Jacksonville-florida-homes-for-sale Putting a New Spin on Real Estate! ----------------------------------------------------------- Commissioner of the USFL USFL

05-05-2005, 12:58 PM	#48
ageofquarrel H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Feb 2004	Reports have been saying that the day of the accident Winslow was in a bike shop watching a video called Star Boyz. The Star Boyz are a Clevand area crotch rocket stunt team, the funny thing I found out today is I used to know their team manager.

05-05-2005, 01:02 PM	#49
Blackadar Retired Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fantasyland	Cost of motorcycle: $10,000.00 Cost of helmet: $150.00 Cost of good protection gear: $350.00 Cost of safety lesions: $500.00 Ruining a promising NFL career over stupidity: Priceless Last edited by Blackadar : 05-05-2005 at 01:02 PM.

05-05-2005, 01:12 PM	#50
BigJohn&TheLions College Benchwarmer Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New York	So let me get this straight... Winslow hit Jim's garage door, knocked his entire home off its foundation and took out a pole? __________________ In the immortal words of a great alcoholic, "Can't we all just get along?"

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