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JAG · 01-16-2013, 12:19 PM

So I read back on D3 because I remember thinking that was what looked most incriminating about Mau to me (voted Danny up from 5-2 to 6-2, seemingly piling on for no reason, but it was after saldana's reveal, then unvoting and voting for Jackal and trying to create a run on him), but reading his comments, you can see he wanted a close vote and a non-Chief vote, so when it got close, he had a reasonable reason to switch to Danny again for what turned out to be an important vote. I also can't see why if he was working with DT he would've wanted DT on the wrong side of a close vote there. Now tack on his key vote on DT to put him up 4-3 (or so we thought) and he also came out pretty early against DT yesterday too. I also think if Mau was a wolf he would've just night killed bhlloy after the scanning stuff he posted and coasted to victory.

I really don't think there's good evidence Mau is a wolf. You have to make a lot of assumptions and guesses about how non-intuitively he chose to play. I won't be voting that way today unless someone can point out some stuff I missed.

JAG · 01-16-2013, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mauchow

Looking at the first day... danny and daddy torgo both inspected the bathtub. That could have also been used against dt yesterday as an item they touched to turn wolves.

My item that turned me into a ballerina vanilla villager was a stool, used for stretching. I'm sure the bathtub was for putting victims in to drain blood.

Does anybody remember the other rooms that you inspected ? Please state the items you inspected the first three days if you recall them. Unless you're scared to incriminate yourself.

I know the first item I looked at was a golden mirror. The description for my cyclist drunkard said he liked to use it as a coaster. I think I'm missing a day as we were in the bathroom for a couple days but another item I looked at the day after was a jewelry box when the bathroom turned into the mistresses's changing quarters.

I'm not sure this is a really useful line of reasoning to follow though as I don't think people inspected the same items for the most part and I don't think we'll be able to put together a relationship between a person and their item.

booradley · 01-16-2013, 01:30 PM

Critical Posts Since 1/13/13
Mau

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=752
The critical vote switch from Autumn (villager) to DT (wolf) when it appeared Autumn was a goner. This seals Mau's status as a good guy. Yay!

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=776
Couldn't have said it better myself. Yay!

bhlloy
http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=666
Says Autumn and I are the wolves. Double boo!

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=669
Insinuates Danny was protecting Autumn as a fellow wolf, then votes Autumn. Boo!

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=694
Still trying to build a case for Autumn and I being wolves. Boo!

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=696
Defends DT, who of course turned out to be Dracula. Boo!

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=703
As if targeting Autumn and myself (villagers) while defending DT (wolf) wasn't bad enough, here bhlloy tries to build suspicion for jackallathum, another villager. Boo!

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=757
Criticizes mau's vote switch from Autumn to DT (this was the critical vote that saved Autumn's a$$). Boo!

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=760
More insinuation that Autumn and I are wolves, which of course has been proven false. Boo! Also worth noting that bhlloy turns some suspicion on JAG here, but with no evidence to support it.

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=768
I certainly don't think you're an asshole or a moron, bhlloy, but this defense of DT did you nothing but harm. Boo!

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=778
bhlloy calls all my hard (and accurate) work "speculative junk," which hurt my feelings and made me cry. Boo!

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=814
After Swordgate, everyone knows DT is a wolf and votes that way. EXCEPT bhlloy - he tries to generate support for JAG. Boo!

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=830
bhlloy continues to draaaaaag ... hiiiiiiiiiis ... feeeeeeeet over voting for DT, even though at this point in time it's fairly certain DT is the baddie who's gonna die. And did. Boo!

JAG

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=801
This post was long and made my eyes bleed, but in a long-winded way ended up being accurate. JAG puts in a vote for DT instead of Autumn - not a move any wolf would make under the circumstances. Yay!

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=818
JAG continues to build a case versus DT, which of course no wolf would do with the game balanced on the edge of a knife. Yay!

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=855
JAG encourages bhlloy to use his "scan ring" again, which again would be a terrible idea if JAG were a wolf. bhlloy, not surprisingly, demurs. Yay!

This is the more recent evidence I'm using as the basis for my vote of bhlloy. In addition to the preceding, please also note that bhlloy has made serious attempts to cast suspicion on all known good guys - dead and alive. The only player he has attempted to defend was ... DRACULA!!!

JAG · 01-16-2013, 01:38 PM

Obviously Boo looks pretty good for putting together the case for DT. The only thing that I can't shake off about him is that at the time, I didn't even know if he was still playing as he hadn't been very active in the game, just missed a vote, and before that voted for a dead player and never came back (which if he is a wolf, wasn't very helpful to his team of course), then all of a sudden a huge detailed post which helps make the case to vote off a wolf. Having never seen him in a game, I don't know if he's the type of player who would sell out a teammate to make himself look good. Looking back at the vote he missed, he was starting to get some heat for not being around (though that was started by DT, so you'd have to think they had already come up with this plan).

Objectively speaking, it's hard to see him as a wolf, it's just a gut feeling of unease from playing too many of these damn games.

I know the objective evidence isn't going to look too great for bhlloy as well as the Britrock thing and I can't say I've seen enough with boo or Mau that I would feel better voting one of them over him, but I'm going to try and take a look at his posts when I get a chance anyway before I vote him. I do think without something I haven't considered being brought to light that he is the best option to get a wolf today.

mauchow · 01-16-2013, 02:23 PM

I had a feeling dt was a woof before boo posted that. When he posted what he did made me happy that I wasnt alone in that regard. I don't think he throws dt under the bus like that as it wasn't even close that dt was a candidate at that part of the day. The second he put his vote on I put mine on dt. Of course I changed it three more times I think.

mauchow · 01-16-2013, 02:36 PM

Upstairs bhlloy looks a lot worse than jag too with his moves. I wrote notes down yesterday when I was up there. The notes are at home now so I don't have them. There is without a doubt unless it was completely coincidental that brit went down on a night kill. Jag and bhlloy are the last two people alive that saw that evidence. That is that.

It is wild that if jag is the wolf he gets lucky to live this long based on the fact that he got to spread the news about saldanas reveal and basically carry that with him as a villager clearing move for the most part.

My regret that I'm having at the moment is this... when jag was downstairs with saldana I cannot remember if jag revealed about his favor regarding the option to move to a floor before or after saldanas reveal. If he revealed the favor before his reveal then he would have been forced to go to another room to spread the word because it would look bad on his part. However if he volunteered the info after saldanas reveal then I'm 100% on board with him as a villager and voting bhlloy.

I remember pushing a button or pulling a lever that sent me downstairs. I think it should be me or boo that goes down to check. Thoughts?

booradley · 01-16-2013, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mauchow

My regret that I'm having at the moment is this... when jag was downstairs with saldana I cannot remember if jag revealed about his favor regarding the option to move to a floor before or after saldanas reveal. If he revealed the favor before his reveal then he would have been forced to go to another room to spread the word because it would look bad on his part. However if he volunteered the info after saldanas reveal then I'm 100% on board with him as a villager and voting bhlloy.

Can you clarify? It's been a LOOONG day at work ...

mauchow · 01-16-2013, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhlloy

Looks like it's a two horse race then?

Vote GE

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG

Day 5 vote:

GE - mauchow (522), ntndeacon (538)
bhlloy - Autumn (575), GE (576)
DT - Lathum (555)

No vote: bhlloy, booradley, DT, JAG

I think this is also pretty incriminating. It wasnt exactly a two horse race at this point. Bhlloy could have easily made it 2-2-2 instead avoids even mentioning DT altogether and immediately votes ge no problem.

mauchow · 01-16-2013, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by booradley

Can you clarify? It's been a LOOONG day at work ...

If I recall correctly when I was in the basement it was zinto saldana and jag. I want to find out if jag vvolunteered the info about his favor that allowed him to move upstairs before or after saldanas reveal.

Sorry I'm on my phone so not easy to make sure shit is really clear.

mauchow · 01-16-2013, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

And as you all were excitedly searching for treasure mauchow says "Oh look what I fouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu...."

and is gone...

And the Trap door under neath him that he fell through slams shut.

Mauchow, go to Ground Floor.

(and no, mauchow, no playing this weekend...next "day" is Monday...)

Never mind. I don't know a way to get down there. I fell down searching for treasure.

mauchow · 01-16-2013, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

oh btw...

You are STILL in the Orange Room.

Items: ORANGE BIRD COVERS, TIGER!, ORANGE SHAG CARPETING, CHEAP FAKE ORANGE FLOWERS, ORANGE AND BROWN INSTRUMENTS, WEIRD ORANGE PUPPET, THE UNSEEN ORANGE JUICE

Exits: NONE

People Here:
Mauchow, Daddy Torgo, Booradley, Bhlloy, Autumn, Jag

Purple Lever, Puce Lever, Green Button, Puce Button, Pink Button, Yellow Button, Cream Button, Red Lever

Are we still here cf?

mauchow · 01-16-2013, 03:17 PM

vote bhlloy

Pretty sure I'm staying here.

bhlloy · 01-16-2013, 05:58 PM

Going to be along night at work unfortunately. Obviously my support for DT dooms me but I'd look past that and I don't think I've played a wolf game at all. Ask yourselves if a wolf does what I did last night and on day 3.

If you can't get past that, the village will lose. I'm holding off on voting until I see which way JAG goes, obviously that seems to be the only hope I have of staying alive

mauchow · 01-16-2013, 06:04 PM

If jag doesn't vote you then he's either a wolf or a cultist, which isn't listed in the roles. But it does say that there could be another role I guess.

If boo is a wolf. Good game to him then. If jag is a wolf I wonder if knowing the sequence about saldana reveal would have told us some info.

If you arent a wolf then unfortunately the evidence pointed your way.

It is 100% between you and jag. So you may as well vote jag and hope me and boo switch cuz thats the only way u live.

bhlloy · 01-16-2013, 06:13 PM

Well to me anyone is a better candidate than I am. I have the votes if JAG doesn't vote for me and there's still a chance the village wins. I assume neither you or boo are willing to change your votes at this stage

mauchow · 01-16-2013, 06:15 PM

I'm actually still tempted to try to get into the basement myself, or the ground floor actually. I think that's where it happene.d

booradley · 01-16-2013, 06:41 PM

If JAG's a wolf then I tip my cap to him - well played. I really think we've got our wolf in bhlloy, and have gone to a fair amount of trouble to present the evidence as clearly as I can.

mauchow · 01-16-2013, 06:52 PM

The evidence isn't overwhelming but definitely leans in favor of him

booradley · 01-16-2013, 06:59 PM

Well, I'm sure bhlloy is a clever guy and isn't going to make it easy. But, when you stack up the evidence for each of the remaining players, his is the longest laundry list.

mauchow · 01-16-2013, 07:02 PM

Jag is a smart player. The idea that he can't be on board with the idea that its between him and bhlloy because of the upstairs bitrock bit is kind of strange. I understand that he wants to make sure all bases are covered but why hasn't he voted.

bhlloy · 01-16-2013, 07:05 PM

If JAG doesn't make it on and vote the irony is I can make it a tie if nobody else has a sword. Not that that does anything except prolong the pain another day

mauchow · 01-16-2013, 07:07 PM

Surrrre

JAG · 01-16-2013, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhlloy

hrm, not sure what to make of that. Either DT has an item or a power that means he can self protect and Autumn is the flavor in the writeup because he came second, or somebody managed to tie it up using an item - however the fact that DT isn't in the writeup leads me to believe this isn't the case.

I do note in the rules it says that there may be roles that aren't listed, and I can also well believe there is an item that can protect you as there seem to be quite a few one use items in the game.

So... we're really back to square one for tomorrow.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhlloy

Think that means that DT had the sword and that saved him. Whether Autumn is included in the writeup as flavor because he came second or whether DT chose to try and kill him and failed I don't know

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhlloy

I have a sword too that adds a vote (I suspect exactly the same as Autumn), but didn't use it last night. So either someone else used theirs, DT is lying or the writeup is screwing with us

DT - what is the name of your character?

Quote:

Originally Posted by booradley

Critical Posts Since 1/13/13
Mau

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=752
The critical vote switch from Autumn (villager) to DT (wolf) when it appeared Autumn was a goner. This seals Mau's status as a good guy. Yay!

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=776
Couldn't have said it better myself. Yay!

bhlloy
http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=666
Says Autumn and I are the wolves. Double boo!

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=669
Insinuates Danny was protecting Autumn as a fellow wolf, then votes Autumn. Boo!

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=694
Still trying to build a case for Autumn and I being wolves. Boo!

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=696
Defends DT, who of course turned out to be Dracula. Boo!

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=703
As if targeting Autumn and myself (villagers) while defending DT (wolf) wasn't bad enough, here bhlloy tries to build suspicion for jackallathum, another villager. Boo!

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=757
Criticizes mau's vote switch from Autumn to DT (this was the critical vote that saved Autumn's a$$). Boo!

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=760
More insinuation that Autumn and I are wolves, which of course has been proven false. Boo! Also worth noting that bhlloy turns some suspicion on JAG here, but with no evidence to support it.

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=768
I certainly don't think you're an asshole or a moron, bhlloy, but this defense of DT did you nothing but harm. Boo!

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=778
bhlloy calls all my hard (and accurate) work "speculative junk," which hurt my feelings and made me cry. Boo!

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=814
After Swordgate, everyone knows DT is a wolf and votes that way. EXCEPT bhlloy - he tries to generate support for JAG. Boo!

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=830
bhlloy continues to draaaaaag ... hiiiiiiiiiis ... feeeeeeeet over voting for DT, even though at this point in time it's fairly certain DT is the baddie who's gonna die. And did. Boo!

JAG

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=801
This post was long and made my eyes bleed, but in a long-winded way ended up being accurate. JAG puts in a vote for DT instead of Autumn - not a move any wolf would make under the circumstances. Yay!

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=818
JAG continues to build a case versus DT, which of course no wolf would do with the game balanced on the edge of a knife. Yay!

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=855
JAG encourages bhlloy to use his "scan ring" again, which again would be a terrible idea if JAG were a wolf. bhlloy, not surprisingly, demurs. Yay!

This is the more recent evidence I'm using as the basis for my vote of bhlloy. In addition to the preceding, please also note that bhlloy has made serious attempts to cast suspicion on all known good guys - dead and alive. The only player he has attempted to defend was ... DRACULA!!!

Thanks for putting that together boo. That was more or less the feeling I had about bhlloy that the accusations about other players he made without really giving a lot of evidence, other than when he was trying to support DT. Like he was trying to throw stuff against the wall and see what had support.

VOTE BHLLOY

bhlloy · 01-16-2013, 07:17 PM

I made a bad read on DT, other than that you guys are just seeing what you want to see. You might as well nightfall it at this point. I'm driving home now, probably be back on 15 Mina before deadline if at all

JAG · 01-16-2013, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mauchow

Upstairs bhlloy looks a lot worse than jag too with his moves. I wrote notes down yesterday when I was up there. The notes are at home now so I don't have them. There is without a doubt unless it was completely coincidental that brit went down on a night kill. Jag and bhlloy are the last two people alive that saw that evidence. That is that.

It is wild that if jag is the wolf he gets lucky to live this long based on the fact that he got to spread the news about saldanas reveal and basically carry that with him as a villager clearing move for the most part.

My regret that I'm having at the moment is this... when jag was downstairs with saldana I cannot remember if jag revealed about his favor regarding the option to move to a floor before or after saldanas reveal. If he revealed the favor before his reveal then he would have been forced to go to another room to spread the word because it would look bad on his part. However if he volunteered the info after saldanas reveal then I'm 100% on board with him as a villager and voting bhlloy.

I remember pushing a button or pulling a lever that sent me downstairs. I think it should be me or boo that goes down to check. Thoughts?

Just out of curiosity, why did bhlloy look worse upstairs than I did?

If you can get downstairs, feel free to check it out. I would've been pretty foolish to lie about it when I had no idea if someone would wander in there.

mauchow · 01-16-2013, 07:20 PM

I have 8250 in gold after last nights big find upstairs of 4000. So I'm short of zintos total. I was gonna make my way upstairs to try collecting more.... lol

Is that horrible?

JAG · 01-16-2013, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhlloy

Going to be along night at work unfortunately. Obviously my support for DT dooms me but I'd look past that and I don't think I've played a wolf game at all. Ask yourselves if a wolf does what I did last night and on day 3.

If you can't get past that, the village will lose. I'm holding off on voting until I see which way JAG goes, obviously that seems to be the only hope I have of staying alive

bhlloy, why would you not even try to make a case for someone? Just saying you'll go along with me on the off chance I vote for mau or boo makes it look like you have no conviction or evidence as to why someone other than yourself is a wolf and are just trying to survive the vote.

bhlloy · 01-16-2013, 07:23 PM

vote jag

For posterity. I hope you are the last wolf

bhlloy · 01-16-2013, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG

bhlloy, why would you not even try to make a case for someone? Just saying you'll go along with me on the off chance I vote for mau or boo makes it look like you have no conviction or evidence as to why someone other than yourself is a wolf and are just trying to survive the vote.

Didn't have time at work today. Day long code deployment that was basically the most important and highest visibility thing I do all year. There's a reason I tried to get myself killed last night

JAG · 01-16-2013, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mauchow

Jag is a smart player. The idea that he can't be on board with the idea that its between him and bhlloy because of the upstairs bitrock bit is kind of strange. I understand that he wants to make sure all bases are covered but why hasn't he voted.

I hadn't voted because I hadn't had a chance to come here and catch up. I do feel pretty confident about bhlloy after looking at everything today. If the wolf is somehow either you or boo, I don't know what else I could've looked at to figure that out.

mauchow · 01-16-2013, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG

Just out of curiosity, why did bhlloy look worse upstairs than I did?

If you can get downstairs, feel free to check it out. I would've been pretty foolish to lie about it when I had no idea if someone would wander in there.

Yeah on yohr second point.

As far as bhlloy goes.. my notes from yesterday that I jotted down on a sticky note:

Bhlloy voted brit first day.
Bhlloy suggests to jag to move to brit.. not really incriminating. Lol
Obviously the whole brit rock reveal thing again
Bhlloy had an odd vote where he switched his vote off dv ten minutes before deadline to make it 5-4 when it was 6-3. It was just odd.

I had some more on another sticky note that had a few quotes that I found to sound wolfish.

JAG · 01-16-2013, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mauchow

I have 8250 in gold after last nights big find upstairs of 4000. So I'm short of zintos total. I was gonna make my way upstairs to try collecting more.... lol

Is that horrible?

Wow, that's an awesome find. I'm nowhere near any of you guys at the top. The highest one I found was 2,500 pounds hiding in a book, but the others were like 250 and 500.

booradley · 01-16-2013, 07:37 PM

Shit - I'm definitely out of the treasure running. I think the only thing I could win is the Doofus Vote of the Game, when my exhausted ass voted for a dead guy. Jeezus - I kind of didn't want to return to the game after that.

mauchow · 01-16-2013, 07:44 PM

I will wait until CF says the buttons and levers are still the same before I check out of the thread then.

CrimsonFox · 01-16-2013, 08:10 PM

The buttons and levers haven't changed.

mauchow · 01-16-2013, 08:15 PM

It look slike it's going to be a quiet deadline but I'll wait al ittle longer before pushing the button.

mauchow · 01-16-2013, 08:28 PM

Well, if bhlloy is the final wolf I wonder if I will get my last inspection in? I would think so since the results are simultaneous.

bhlloy · 01-16-2013, 08:35 PM

I'm back around, if anyone does want to ask any questions

bhlloy · 01-16-2013, 08:43 PM

As for who the last wolf is, I suspect it's JAG and he's played a great game to get here. He'd have been such an obvious wolf kill in the mid game that I don't understand why he's still alive, and really the goodwill he built up based on going to the top floor and telling people about the Saldana reveal really is the move I would have made as a wolf trying to distance myself from my two buddies who were doomed. In addition to that, I feel like he's not really made good analysis for most of the game but instead he's just kind of gone with the flow, which isn't like him at all. Today is a good example as he waited for boo and mau to put their theories and votes on the line, waited until they were pretty solid and then jumped on board.

booradley · 01-16-2013, 08:46 PM

I'm just monitoring to make sure no one pulls any last-second horseshit. I really don't think so, though.

mauchow · 01-16-2013, 08:47 PM

I have gone the route of wondering why JAG is still alive, too as a villager because he normally is a very good villager.

mauchow · 01-16-2013, 08:49 PM

I am finally on computer -- my last comment looks goofy.

JAG is a great villager; which he has been lacking a little this game which begs to wonder why is he still alive?

JAG · 01-16-2013, 08:50 PM

You're entitled to your opinion of course, but I think I've been my usual analytical self this game. You also are misrepresenting what work I did today looking back at Mau and boo to make sure I wasn't missing something with them, while still saying I was leaning towards voting you (so I wasn't dodging where I was at unlike you who say back and waited initially, then lashed out at Mau). I knew the objective evidence pointed to you, but Mau is an experienced player and I've seen him vote wolves as a wolf numerous times while I've never played with Boo, so I think it's pretty reasonable I wanted to be thorough.

bhlloy · 01-16-2013, 08:54 PM

Honestly JAG, I'll be somewhat disappointed if this is the case. I think we've played together enough times that you know my style as a villager and other than me completely misreading the DT situation which has basically lost us the game, I think I've been completely transparent and played like I always do

mauchow · 01-16-2013, 08:54 PM

Fair enough.

My vote will stand. It was a good game of Werewolf and these finishes are how games should end. Where the last day is basically the final day regardless of what happens.

mauchow · 01-16-2013, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhlloy

Honestly JAG, I'll be somewhat disappointed if this is the case. I think we've played together enough times that you know my style as a villager and other than me completely misreading the DT situation which has basically lost us the game, I think I've been completely transparent and played like I always do

I honestly thought you were a little odd this game compared to others.

mauchow · 01-16-2013, 08:56 PM

I won't even go upstairs to win the $$ award. Or should I?

bhlloy · 01-16-2013, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mauchow

I honestly thought you were a little odd this game compared to others.

You haven't been paying attention in others then

Someone said I threw a lot of shit to see what stuck, that's exactly how I play, and IMO we'd get a lot more out of the game if all the villagers played that way.

JAG · 01-16-2013, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhlloy

Honestly JAG, I'll be somewhat disappointed if this is the case. I think we've played together enough times that you know my style as a villager and other than me completely misreading the DT situation which has basically lost us the game, I think I've been completely transparent and played like I always do

I don't know about that bhlloy, I usually expect more analysis from you, but this game it seemed like you were throwing stuff out there, accusing me and then not backing it up. I didn't really feel like you were searching for evidence as much as just trying to arouse suspicion of people that didn't turn out to be wolves.

mauchow · 01-16-2013, 08:59 PM

Well, hopefully CF will allow this but here goes:

push Puce Button
inspect altar

My feelings won't be hurt if it isn't allowed.

01-16-2013, 01:30 PM	#903
booradley High School Varsity Join Date: Sep 2001	Critical Posts Since 1/13/13 Mau http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=752 The critical vote switch from Autumn (villager) to DT (wolf) when it appeared Autumn was a goner. This seals Mau's status as a good guy. Yay! http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=776 Couldn't have said it better myself. Yay! bhlloy http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=666 Says Autumn and I are the wolves. Double boo! http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=669 Insinuates Danny was protecting Autumn as a fellow wolf, then votes Autumn. Boo! http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=694 Still trying to build a case for Autumn and I being wolves. Boo! http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=696 Defends DT, who of course turned out to be Dracula. Boo! http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=703 As if targeting Autumn and myself (villagers) while defending DT (wolf) wasn't bad enough, here bhlloy tries to build suspicion for jackallathum, another villager. Boo! http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=757 Criticizes mau's vote switch from Autumn to DT (this was the critical vote that saved Autumn's a$$). Boo! http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=760 More insinuation that Autumn and I are wolves, which of course has been proven false. Boo! Also worth noting that bhlloy turns some suspicion on JAG here, but with no evidence to support it. http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=768 I certainly don't think you're an asshole or a moron, bhlloy, but this defense of DT did you nothing but harm. Boo! http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=778 bhlloy calls all my hard (and accurate) work "speculative junk," which hurt my feelings and made me cry. Boo! http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=814 After Swordgate, everyone knows DT is a wolf and votes that way. EXCEPT bhlloy - he tries to generate support for JAG. Boo! http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=830 bhlloy continues to draaaaaag ... hiiiiiiiiiis ... feeeeeeeet over voting for DT, even though at this point in time it's fairly certain DT is the baddie who's gonna die. And did. Boo! JAG http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=801 This post was long and made my eyes bleed, but in a long-winded way ended up being accurate. JAG puts in a vote for DT instead of Autumn - not a move any wolf would make under the circumstances. Yay! http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=818 JAG continues to build a case versus DT, which of course no wolf would do with the game balanced on the edge of a knife. Yay! http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=855 JAG encourages bhlloy to use his "scan ring" again, which again would be a terrible idea if JAG were a wolf. bhlloy, not surprisingly, demurs. Yay! This is the more recent evidence I'm using as the basis for my vote of bhlloy. In addition to the preceding, please also note that bhlloy has made serious attempts to cast suspicion on all known good guys - dead and alive. The only player he has attempted to defend was ... DRACULA!!! __________________ I hate you evil!

01-16-2013, 06:41 PM	#917
booradley High School Varsity Join Date: Sep 2001	If JAG's a wolf then I tip my cap to him - well played. I really think we've got our wolf in bhlloy, and have gone to a fair amount of trouble to present the evidence as clearly as I can. __________________ I hate you evil!

01-16-2013, 06:59 PM	#919
booradley High School Varsity Join Date: Sep 2001	Well, I'm sure bhlloy is a clever guy and isn't going to make it easy. But, when you stack up the evidence for each of the remaining players, his is the longest laundry list. __________________ I hate you evil!

01-16-2013, 07:37 PM	#933
booradley High School Varsity Join Date: Sep 2001	Shit - I'm definitely out of the treasure running. I think the only thing I could win is the Doofus Vote of the Game, when my exhausted ass voted for a dead guy. Jeezus - I kind of didn't want to return to the game after that. __________________ I hate you evil!

01-16-2013, 08:46 PM	#940
booradley High School Varsity Join Date: Sep 2001	I'm just monitoring to make sure no one pulls any last-second horseshit. I really don't think so, though. __________________ I hate you evil!

01-16-2013, 12:19 PM	#901
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	So I read back on D3 because I remember thinking that was what looked most incriminating about Mau to me (voted Danny up from 5-2 to 6-2, seemingly piling on for no reason, but it was after saldana's reveal, then unvoting and voting for Jackal and trying to create a run on him), but reading his comments, you can see he wanted a close vote and a non-Chief vote, so when it got close, he had a reasonable reason to switch to Danny again for what turned out to be an important vote. I also can't see why if he was working with DT he would've wanted DT on the wrong side of a close vote there. Now tack on his key vote on DT to put him up 4-3 (or so we thought) and he also came out pretty early against DT yesterday too. I also think if Mau was a wolf he would've just night killed bhlloy after the scanning stuff he posted and coasted to victory. I really don't think there's good evidence Mau is a wolf. You have to make a lot of assumptions and guesses about how non-intuitively he chose to play. I won't be voting that way today unless someone can point out some stuff I missed.

01-16-2013, 01:38 PM	#904
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	Obviously Boo looks pretty good for putting together the case for DT. The only thing that I can't shake off about him is that at the time, I didn't even know if he was still playing as he hadn't been very active in the game, just missed a vote, and before that voted for a dead player and never came back (which if he is a wolf, wasn't very helpful to his team of course), then all of a sudden a huge detailed post which helps make the case to vote off a wolf. Having never seen him in a game, I don't know if he's the type of player who would sell out a teammate to make himself look good. Looking back at the vote he missed, he was starting to get some heat for not being around (though that was started by DT, so you'd have to think they had already come up with this plan). Objectively speaking, it's hard to see him as a wolf, it's just a gut feeling of unease from playing too many of these damn games. I know the objective evidence isn't going to look too great for bhlloy as well as the Britrock thing and I can't say I've seen enough with boo or Mau that I would feel better voting one of them over him, but I'm going to try and take a look at his posts when I get a chance anyway before I vote him. I do think without something I haven't considered being brought to light that he is the best option to get a wolf today.

01-16-2013, 02:23 PM	#905
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	I had a feeling dt was a woof before boo posted that. When he posted what he did made me happy that I wasnt alone in that regard. I don't think he throws dt under the bus like that as it wasn't even close that dt was a candidate at that part of the day. The second he put his vote on I put mine on dt. Of course I changed it three more times I think.

01-16-2013, 02:36 PM	#906
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	Upstairs bhlloy looks a lot worse than jag too with his moves. I wrote notes down yesterday when I was up there. The notes are at home now so I don't have them. There is without a doubt unless it was completely coincidental that brit went down on a night kill. Jag and bhlloy are the last two people alive that saw that evidence. That is that. It is wild that if jag is the wolf he gets lucky to live this long based on the fact that he got to spread the news about saldanas reveal and basically carry that with him as a villager clearing move for the most part. My regret that I'm having at the moment is this... when jag was downstairs with saldana I cannot remember if jag revealed about his favor regarding the option to move to a floor before or after saldanas reveal. If he revealed the favor before his reveal then he would have been forced to go to another room to spread the word because it would look bad on his part. However if he volunteered the info after saldanas reveal then I'm 100% on board with him as a villager and voting bhlloy. I remember pushing a button or pulling a lever that sent me downstairs. I think it should be me or boo that goes down to check. Thoughts?

01-16-2013, 03:17 PM	#912
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	vote bhlloy Pretty sure I'm staying here.

01-16-2013, 05:58 PM	#913
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	Going to be along night at work unfortunately. Obviously my support for DT dooms me but I'd look past that and I don't think I've played a wolf game at all. Ask yourselves if a wolf does what I did last night and on day 3. If you can't get past that, the village will lose. I'm holding off on voting until I see which way JAG goes, obviously that seems to be the only hope I have of staying alive

01-16-2013, 06:04 PM	#914
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	If jag doesn't vote you then he's either a wolf or a cultist, which isn't listed in the roles. But it does say that there could be another role I guess. If boo is a wolf. Good game to him then. If jag is a wolf I wonder if knowing the sequence about saldana reveal would have told us some info. If you arent a wolf then unfortunately the evidence pointed your way. It is 100% between you and jag. So you may as well vote jag and hope me and boo switch cuz thats the only way u live.

01-16-2013, 06:13 PM	#915
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	Well to me anyone is a better candidate than I am. I have the votes if JAG doesn't vote for me and there's still a chance the village wins. I assume neither you or boo are willing to change your votes at this stage

01-16-2013, 06:15 PM	#916
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	I'm actually still tempted to try to get into the basement myself, or the ground floor actually. I think that's where it happene.d

01-16-2013, 06:52 PM	#918
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	The evidence isn't overwhelming but definitely leans in favor of him

01-16-2013, 07:02 PM	#920
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	Jag is a smart player. The idea that he can't be on board with the idea that its between him and bhlloy because of the upstairs bitrock bit is kind of strange. I understand that he wants to make sure all bases are covered but why hasn't he voted.

01-16-2013, 07:05 PM	#921
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	If JAG doesn't make it on and vote the irony is I can make it a tie if nobody else has a sword. Not that that does anything except prolong the pain another day

01-16-2013, 07:07 PM	#922
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	Surrrre

01-16-2013, 07:17 PM	#924
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	I made a bad read on DT, other than that you guys are just seeing what you want to see. You might as well nightfall it at this point. I'm driving home now, probably be back on 15 Mina before deadline if at all

01-16-2013, 07:20 PM	#926
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	I have 8250 in gold after last nights big find upstairs of 4000. So I'm short of zintos total. I was gonna make my way upstairs to try collecting more.... lol Is that horrible?

01-16-2013, 07:23 PM	#928
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	vote jag For posterity. I hope you are the last wolf

01-16-2013, 07:44 PM	#934
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	I will wait until CF says the buttons and levers are still the same before I check out of the thread then.

01-16-2013, 08:10 PM	#935
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	The buttons and levers haven't changed.

01-16-2013, 08:15 PM	#936
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	It look slike it's going to be a quiet deadline but I'll wait al ittle longer before pushing the button.

01-16-2013, 08:28 PM	#937
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	Well, if bhlloy is the final wolf I wonder if I will get my last inspection in? I would think so since the results are simultaneous.

01-16-2013, 08:35 PM	#938
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	I'm back around, if anyone does want to ask any questions

01-16-2013, 08:43 PM	#939
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	As for who the last wolf is, I suspect it's JAG and he's played a great game to get here. He'd have been such an obvious wolf kill in the mid game that I don't understand why he's still alive, and really the goodwill he built up based on going to the top floor and telling people about the Saldana reveal really is the move I would have made as a wolf trying to distance myself from my two buddies who were doomed. In addition to that, I feel like he's not really made good analysis for most of the game but instead he's just kind of gone with the flow, which isn't like him at all. Today is a good example as he waited for boo and mau to put their theories and votes on the line, waited until they were pretty solid and then jumped on board.

01-16-2013, 08:47 PM	#941
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	I have gone the route of wondering why JAG is still alive, too as a villager because he normally is a very good villager.

01-16-2013, 08:49 PM	#942
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	I am finally on computer -- my last comment looks goofy. JAG is a great villager; which he has been lacking a little this game which begs to wonder why is he still alive?

01-16-2013, 08:50 PM	#943
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	You're entitled to your opinion of course, but I think I've been my usual analytical self this game. You also are misrepresenting what work I did today looking back at Mau and boo to make sure I wasn't missing something with them, while still saying I was leaning towards voting you (so I wasn't dodging where I was at unlike you who say back and waited initially, then lashed out at Mau). I knew the objective evidence pointed to you, but Mau is an experienced player and I've seen him vote wolves as a wolf numerous times while I've never played with Boo, so I think it's pretty reasonable I wanted to be thorough.

01-16-2013, 08:54 PM	#944
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	Honestly JAG, I'll be somewhat disappointed if this is the case. I think we've played together enough times that you know my style as a villager and other than me completely misreading the DT situation which has basically lost us the game, I think I've been completely transparent and played like I always do

01-16-2013, 08:54 PM	#945
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	Fair enough. My vote will stand. It was a good game of Werewolf and these finishes are how games should end. Where the last day is basically the final day regardless of what happens.

01-16-2013, 08:56 PM	#947
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	I won't even go upstairs to win the $$ award. Or should I?

01-16-2013, 08:59 PM	#950
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	Well, hopefully CF will allow this but here goes: push Puce Button inspect altar My feelings won't be hurt if it isn't allowed.

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