Werewolf LXXVI - The Werewolf Draft! Game over, see last pages for details

[Mrs. Schmidty]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Lol, that last reply was an attempted post from my nklackneery yesterday. It didbly post then buy did when I hit continue today.

I hate looking at this on the blackberry so I am probably done until after the vote as I am on the road.

umm....what?

[Passacaglia]

What part of "It didbly post then buy did" can't you understand?!?!

[Danny]

Oy, 15 minutes until we lose

[claphamsa]

Danny, well still have to wait 5 days to finish rounding up your pack of wolves!

[Danny]

Unvote GoldenEagle
Vote Danny

[mccollins]

Geez...

[claphamsa]

such shennanigans!

[hoopsguy]

That doesn't look good ...

[st.cronin]

Deadline!

Danny - 6 - Telle (2279), mccollins (2295), Mrs. Schmidty (2314), Chief Rum (2330), Schmidty (2342), GoldenEagle (2343), Danny (2355)
mccollins - 2 - claphamsa (2278), EagleFan (2336)

Danny is lynched, but in the process he kills claphamsa! Danny was the brutal wolf! Claphamsa was the hunter!

As dawn breaks, you discover Telle has been killed! She was a mason.

The game is over, the wolves have won!

The remaining roles:
Schmidty - philosopher
EagleFan - cultist
Chief Rum - cunning wolf
mccollins - wolf
Mrs. Schmidty - sorcerer
GoldenEagle - villager
PackerFanatic - villager


Thank you all for playing, I hope everybody had fun! Fire away with questions or criticisms.

[PackerFanatic]

I KNEW something was fishy about CR in the beginning. At least we can say they didn't shut us out *sigh*

[Telle]

We stopped the shut-out! Yay!!!

[claphamsa]

danny, ur fake revela was as bad as mine :P

[Danny]

Except the fact that I wanted to get votes

[hoopsguy]

Nice job, wolves. I really admired the way you were able to navigate through the game in what I thought was a challenging ruleset.

[claphamsa]

somoene explain the draft!

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Telle

We stopped the shut-out! Yay!!!

Telle, for what it's worth, I tried to send in an order change at deadline to keep you alive and kill Schmidty for forgetting Mrs. Schmidty's birthday instead

Oh, and EagleFan was the cultist - not GoldenEagle.

[st.cronin]

1. PackerFanatic
2. oliegirl - lynched day 4, vanilla villager
3. Lathum - killed night 3, seer
4. Mrs. Schmidty
5. LoneStarGirl - lynched day 6, vanilla villager
6. Passacaglia - lynched day 5, vanilla villager
7. mccollins
8. claphamsa - killed day 7, hunter
9. DaddyTorgo - killed night 2, bodyguard
10. Alan T - killed night 5, Duke
11. Chief Rum
12. Danny - lynched day 7, brutal wolf
13. Barkeep49 - lynched day 2, spy
14. SnDvls - killed night 4, seer
15. saldana - lynched day 3, vanilla villager
16. Schmidty
17. KWhit - killed night 1, vanilla villager
18. RendeR - killed night 6, vanilla villager
19. EagleFan
20. Telle - killed night 7, mason
21. GoldenEagle

[GoldenEagle]

I think EagleFan was the cultist.

[Danny]

Oh and Clap, you are my little buddy, so I had to take you with me

[Telle]

Originally Posted by mccollins

Telle, for what it's worth, I tried to send in an order change at deadline to keep you alive and kill Schmidty for forgetting Mrs. Schmidty's birthday instead

Oh, and EagleFan was the cultist - not GoldenEagle.

Oh that's ok. I feel honored to be wolf killed

[Danny]

Yeah, I didn't know the game was going to end instantly. I wanted Mrs. Schmidty to put on the last vote on Schmidty for forgetting her birthday, but then Mccollins sent in a last second change for me to kill him for her instead. Either way, bad Schmidty!

[GoldenEagle]

Who was the real seer?

[st.cronin]

(3:47:35 PM) hoopsguy1154: you around?
(3:47:39 PM) AE FOFC: yeah
(3:47:43 PM) hoopsguy1154: want to hammer out draft order now?
(3:48:01 PM) AE FOFC: I suppose we can.
(3:48:10 PM) AE FOFC: I was doing a little 'homework' on the newer players
(3:48:15 PM) AE FOFC: but it's not a big deal
(3:49:28 PM) hoopsguy1154: if you need some time we can do it later
(3:49:34 PM) AE FOFC: I'm good.
(3:49:41 PM) hoopsguy1154: i just don't know exactly what time my kid goes down at night, and i know you didn't want to run too long tonight
(3:49:45 PM) AE FOFC: Near the end players aren't that huge of a deal
(3:49:57 PM) hoopsguy1154: probably not - ok, i'll get it started with chief rum as my initial wolf
(3:50:29 PM) AE FOFC: alright.
(3:50:41 PM) hoopsguy1154: i'm sure he is fired up about being the #1 draft pick
(3:50:47 PM) hoopsguy1154: and breaking the bank with his signing bonus
(3:50:51 PM) AE FOFC: true
(3:51:10 PM) AE FOFC: Ironically, that's exactly who I thought you'd take.
(3:51:20 PM) hoopsguy1154: i'm looking to assign roles at the end, when i see how the teams shake out
(3:51:22 PM) AE FOFC: I'll go Alan T and Barkeep.
(3:51:28 PM) hoopsguy1154: why did you think he would be #1, btw?
(3:51:39 PM) AE FOFC: premonition or something.
(3:51:42 PM) AE FOFC: it's who I'd take.
(3:52:13 PM) hoopsguy1154: yeah, was hoping he would be less likely to be scanned than the guys you took. he seems to get a good amount of latitude based on his schedule
(3:53:26 PM) hoopsguy1154: time for me to throw out a trend-breaker - #4 pick is Danny
(3:53:37 PM) AE FOFC: interesting
(3:53:44 PM) AE FOFC: that's someone I had no clue on
(3:53:49 PM) AE FOFC: I needed homework on him.
(3:53:49 PM) hoopsguy1154: i'm hoping that he isn't an early scan for being new player, will be interesting to how people think i will think
(3:54:14 PM) hoopsguy1154: but i thought he played very solid first game, looks like he is willing to put in the time, so i'll take a risk here in efforts to put together a team without clear trends
(3:54:30 PM) AE FOFC: I get four if I'm not mistaken.
(3:54:35 PM) hoopsguy1154: you are correct, sir
(3:54:41 PM) hoopsguy1154: (in best ed mcmahon voice)
(3:54:44 PM) AE FOFC: I'll go right off my big board
(3:54:55 PM) AE FOFC: and take what I consider the four best players available
(3:54:57 PM) AE FOFC: Lathum
(3:55:01 PM) AE FOFC: Passacaglia
(3:55:04 PM) AE FOFC: Saldana
(3:55:09 PM) AE FOFC: Render
(3:55:31 PM) hoopsguy1154: i think you've got names out there that people will think i took
(3:55:51 PM) hoopsguy1154: i might have taken lathum here if he fell, with the idea that "no one would pick lathum as a wolf, he would have to be scanned!"
(3:55:54 PM) AE FOFC: oh clearly
(3:56:08 PM) AE FOFC: I thought you'd take one of those four for sure
(3:56:54 PM) hoopsguy1154: ok, i'll continue to let you get your top picks. next selection is mccollins
(3:57:06 PM) AE FOFC: another interesting choice
(3:57:11 PM) AE FOFC: another I had no read on
(3:57:18 PM) AE FOFC: I feel at a bit of a disadvantage
(3:57:25 PM) hoopsguy1154: yeah, was thinking i might have been able to get him after your 8 picks
(3:57:43 PM) hoopsguy1154: but i decided to just grab him here, rather than take a chance that he was one of your late picks in this batch of eight
(3:57:50 PM) AE FOFC: he wasn't.
(3:57:52 PM) hoopsguy1154: another guy that potentially will be tough to root out
(3:58:23 PM) hoopsguy1154: he posts a lot, but doesn't have that many games under his belt. and has given me fits when i've been a wolf. so i want to see how he plays as a wolf
(3:58:29 PM) AE FOFC: ah
(3:58:38 PM) AE FOFC: next 8:
(3:58:44 PM) AE FOFC: LoneStarGirl
(3:58:46 PM) AE FOFC: Schmidty
(3:58:49 PM) AE FOFC: DaddyTorgo
(3:58:52 PM) AE FOFC: Kwhit
(3:58:55 PM) AE FOFC: Sndvls
(3:58:59 PM) AE FOFC: oliegirl
(3:59:06 PM) AE FOFC: GoldenEagle
(3:59:11 PM) AE FOFC: claphamsa
(3:59:45 PM) hoopsguy1154: a couple of people there that i would have been happy to grab with this pick
(4:00:09 PM) hoopsguy1154: ok, another new player and 1st time wolf to be - mrs schmidty
(4:00:28 PM) AE FOFC: interesting
(4:00:44 PM) AE FOFC: I'll take telle and packerfanatic
(4:00:53 PM) hoopsguy1154: that leaves me eaglefan, and we are wrapped
(4:01:33 PM) hoopsguy1154: ok, my team is super-quiet - so lets nail down roles
(4:01:38 PM) AE FOFC: sure
(4:03:31 PM) hoopsguy1154: i'll start with my cunning wolf - lets go with chief rum. duh - highest profile player gets the role that protects against the scan
(4:03:40 PM) AE FOFC: word
(4:03:46 PM) AE FOFC: Alan T is the duke
(4:04:33 PM) hoopsguy1154: i'll give eaglefan the cultist role
(4:04:57 PM) AE FOFC: BK is the spy
(4:05:15 PM) hoopsguy1154: sorceror = mrs s
(4:05:27 PM) AE FOFC: Lathum is the seer
(4:05:51 PM) hoopsguy1154: should have given him fake seer - would be second time in 2-3 games
(4:05:57 PM) AE FOFC: ha
(4:06:29 PM) hoopsguy1154: brutal = danny
(4:06:31 PM) AE FOFC: 2 masons will be render and telle
(4:06:37 PM) hoopsguy1154: heh
(4:06:43 PM) AE FOFC: easy enough
(4:06:48 PM) AE FOFC: IIRC
(4:07:09 PM) hoopsguy1154: that leaves you with philosopher, hunter, bodyguard, and fake seer?
(4:07:20 PM) AE FOFC: yep
(4:07:26 PM) AE FOFC: clap is the hunter
(4:08:05 PM) AE FOFC: sndvls fake seer
(4:08:26 PM) AE FOFC: schmidty philosopher
(4:09:14 PM) AE FOFC: bodyguard...to DT
(4:09:19 PM) AE FOFC: that was the hardest
(4:09:24 PM) AE FOFC: last role and 8 choices
(4:09:41 PM) hoopsguy1154: ok, i'll forward this chat over to cronin

[st.cronin]

I just want to remind people that per the rules you are not allowed to be upset if you were picked lower than you thought your play justified.

I also want to present EagleFan with the Tom Brady Award, for being the last player selected, and playing one of the great games in Werewolf history! I also thought Schmidty, Passacaglia, and of course all the wolves played terrific games.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Danny

Oh and Clap, you are my little buddy, so I had to take you with me

:P

[hoopsguy]

I can comment on my picks:

#1 Chief Rum - I wanted a guy who has a few games under his belt who doesn't attract too much attention. #1 criteria here was to stay alive for a few days. I expected I would make this pick my cunning wolf, but didn't really have much in way of pre-conceived notions about other roles

#4 Danny - I wanted a trend-breaker here. I knew there would be speculation about who I would draft and I wanted to go off the map. Plus I had liked what I had seen from Danny in his previous game as a villager, so I figured I would make him a wolf.

#9(?) Mccollins - He has given me some trouble as a villager when I'm a wolf, so I figured that I would take this opportunity to see how he plays as a wolf. Again, someone who I think isn't likely to die too early and isn't easily going to be fingered as a "hoopsguy" pick.

#19 Mrs Schmidty - played a great first game, so let's see how the whole wolf thing works out. This is the 4th person that I picked that I've never played with as a wolf, and I believe the 3rd person I'm making a 1st time wolf. If people were looking for trends, those would have been the winners.

#22 EagleFan - I've played with him a couple of times before, so I cast him as the cultist. I wanted to follow along with the conversation from the people that I've never played with more than I wanted to see EF as a wolf for the 3rd time. But I wish I could have been on the listening end to his thoughts via PM this game - he really had the wolves off-balance all the way to the end.

[Danny]

I loved being a wolf, even more so because the people I was allied with made it a pleasure. They all were wonderful!

Clap, you did a good job too, though so far you think I am wolf every game

[GoldenEagle]

Wow. AE Drafted and assigned terrible. Hoops schooled him in that draft.

[st.cronin]

List of all the moves players made through day 6

Day/Night 1
Alan T (duke) - force no lynch

Schmidty (philosopher) - scans claphamsa

Lathum (seer) - scans Telle

SnDvls (fake seer) - scans Barkeep49 (LoneStarGirl contingency)

DaddyTorgo (bodyguard) - guards Alan T

Barkeep49 (spy) - spies on Lathum (DT contingency)

Mrs. Schmidty (sorcerer) - scans Barkeep49 (Passacaglia contingency)

Night Kill - Chief Rum kills KWhit


10 - DaddyTorgo - Lathum (339), LoneStarGirl (538), PackerFanatic (556), mccollins (605), claphamsa (946), SnDvls (659), Mrs. Schmidty (676), saldana (691), oliegirl (707), GoldenEagle (725)
7 - Lathum - DaddyTorgo (250), KWhit (278), Barkeep (283), RendeR (294), Danny (431), Telle (650), Passacaglia (745)
1 - Mrs. Schmidty - EagleFan (362)
1 - EagleFan - Schmidty (394)
1 - saldana - Chief Rum (594)
1 - Alan T - Alan T (778)

Day/Night 2


Schmidty (philosopher) -

Lathum (seer) - scans Passacaglia

SnDvls (fake seer) - LoneStarGirl (Telle contingency)

DaddyTorgo (bodyguard) - Guard Alan T

Barkeep49 (spy) -

Mrs. Schmidty (sorcerer) - scans Passacaglia (EagleFan contingency)

Night Kill - Chief Rum kills DaddyTorgo

7 - Barkeep49 - Lathum (1052), PackerFanatic (1068), oliegirl (1072), mccollins (1079), Telle (1080), Mrs. Schmidty (1118), Passacaglia (1215)
4 - Chief Rum - LoneStarGirl (939), RendeR (1038), saldana (1175), GoldenEagle (1210)
3 - EagleFan - Chief Rum (1000), SnDvls (1065), claphamsa (1084)
3 - Lathum - Danny (1015), Barkeep49 (1040), DaddyTorgo (1089)
1 - oliegirl - EagleFan (943)
1 - saldana - Alan T (1044)

no vote: Schmidty


Day/Night 3

Schmidty (philosopher) - scans Lathum

Lathum (seer) - scan Render

SnDvls (fake seer) - Lathum (Telle contingency)

Mrs. Schmidty (sorcerer) - scans SnDvls (saldana contingency)

Night Kill - Chief Rum kills Lathum

11 - saldana - claphamsa (1291), Mrs. Schmidty (1358), mccollins (1408), PackerFanatic (1417), Telle (1485), SnDvls (1506), RendeR (1526), oliegirl (1586), Passacaglia (1610), Schmidty (1615), Alan T (1621)
3 - Telle - GoldenEagle (1273), Chief Rum (1383), saldana (1591)
2 - Passacaglia - LoneStarGirl (1389), Lathum (1424)
2 - oliegirl - Danny (1282), EagleFan (1311)



Day/Night 4

Schmidty (philosopher) - scans Passacaglia

SnDvls (fake seer) - scans Passacaglia

Mrs. Schmidty (sorcerer) - scans PackerFanatic

Night Kill - Chief Rum kills SnDvls

6 Oliegirl: GoldenEagle (1643), Danny (1646), Render (1723), Telle (1762), PackerFanatic (1783), mccollins (1821)
6 McCollins: Claphamsa (1713), Schmidty (1756), Passacaglia (1763), oliegirl (1788), EagleFan (1825), Alan T (1831)
4 Passacaglia: LoneStarGirl (1697), Mrs. Schmidty (1752), Chief Rum (1757), SnDvls (1794)


Day/Night 5

Schmidty (philosopher) - scans EagleFan

Mrs. Schmidty (sorcerer) - scans LoneStarGirl

Night Kill - Chief Rum kills Alan T

6 Passacaglia: PackerFanatic (1865), Lonestargirl (1923), Mrs. Schmidty (1936), mccollins (2020), Alan T (2062), RendeR (2066)
5 mccolins: EagleFan (1855), Schmidty (1921), GoldenEagle (2012), Claphamsa (2016), Passacaglia (2028)
1 PackerFanatic: Danny (1931)
1 EagleFan: Chief Rum (1946)
1 Danny: Telle (1960)

Day/Night 6

Mrs. Schmidty (sorcerer) - scans EagleFan

Night Kill - Chief Rum kills RendeR

5 - LoneStarGirl - Schmidty (2189), PackerFanatic (2206), Mrs. Schmidty (2210), mccollins (2250), Danny (2258)
4 - Danny - Telle (2118), Chief Rum (2180), RendeR (2199), GoldenEagle (2247)
3 - mccollins - claphamsa (2098), EagleFan (2113), LoneStarGirl (2151)

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Danny

I loved being a wolf, even more so because the people I was allied with made it a pleasure. They all were wonderful!

Clap, you did a good job too, though so far you think I am wolf every game

and ive been right every game too

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Wow. AE Drafted and assigned terrible. Hoops schooled him in that draft.

I agree that we took different approaches to the draft.

Given his picks, what assignments do you think would have been optimal?

[st.cronin]

Notes on the roles:

The Duke could, once per game, make the result of the vote no-lynch. This would not work if he would have been the leading vote-getter.

The Bodyguard could not protect himself. He could, however, protect any other player as often as he wanted with no restrictions.

The fake Seer (SnDvls) would get a result of villager every time.

The cultist did not know which wolf was the cunning or brutal, etc.

All other roles were as advertised.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

im tno confused!

Mcoolins
Danny
GE
CR
and we win!

(not sure about CR but hell neither are yalls!)

[oliegirl]

God, I am SO glad that game is over!!! I was getting SO irritated watch the villagers miss vote night after night after night...if only you guys had listened to me

[mccollins]

Whoever came up with the idea that the GMs would have made Lathum the last pick really gave them too much credit I'm shocked Lathum was the real seer though!

[Barkeep49]

FTR, I think Poli drafted a great team. I just think we turned into the New York Mets.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Notes on the roles:

The Duke could, once per game, make the result of the vote no-lynch. This would not work if he would have been the leading vote-getter.

The Bodyguard could not protect himself. He could, however, protect any other player as often as he wanted with no restrictions.

The fake Seer (SnDvls) would get a result of villager every time.

The cultist did not know which wolf was the cunning or brutal, etc.

All other roles were as advertised.

So Alan was basically a vanilla villager after the first day and DaddyTorgo had no way to protect himself after he revealed...

[st.cronin]

I need to stand up for Poli. I thought he drafted just fine. I think Lathum was a fine choice for seer - he is hardly ever night killed, and his instincts are usually pretty good. I told Poli I think I would have made him one of the masons, since I think that role in this ruleset rewards creative play (not that Render and Telle aren't creative, and they actually did quite well with the roles - their "reveal" had the potential to turn the game around).

And just because things broke right for hoops doesn't mean he made all the right moves. I thought Chief Rum was the obvious #1, but I think only Lathum ever mentioned this possibility, and then just once. So I would have made Rum the brutal, and given either Danny or mccollins the cunning. Had Rum been caught early, this would have been almost an impossible game for the wolves to win.

[st.cronin]

I like to make the roles so it makes revealing a harder decision. It didn't really work, as Alan, Lathum, and DT all basically revealed on D1.

[st.cronin]

One other note: D1 Lathum had sent in an order to scan Mrs. Schmidty, which he changed to Telle close to deadline. Had he not faltered on that, the game could have broken completely differently.

[Poli]

Being out of the game for most of a year, I drafted by known commodities. I put any bitter feelings aside and tried to go with experience of playing. I tried to give the more experienced players the better roles, thinking they'd make the best use of them. I had no idea that Lathum would 'always' receive such scrutiny.

I was actually quite thrilled with the quality of players I received.

There were a number of times where someone would ping a wolf and I'd cheer...only to see the vote change or go to the wayside. Bummer.

Things I may have done differently, and not to hurt anyone's feelings:

1. No matter what I still would have drafted the way I did.
2. I probably don't make Lathum the seer knowing now how much of a 'target' he is.
3. I wouldn't make DT the bodyguard had I knew he'd spout off (again, not trying to be mean, it's just I thought you'd lay low with the role).
4. I would have assigned someone else the philosopher role. I kinda remember now that Schmidty has a weird schedule, it probably could have been better used elsewhere.

Sorry gang.

[Barkeep49]

Poli: I still think you did just fine. I really feel like the team you assembled had the talent to win, and didn't.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I need to stand up for Poli. I thought he drafted just fine. I think Lathum was a fine choice for seer - he is hardly ever night killed, and his instincts are usually pretty good. I told Poli I think I would have made him one of the masons, since I think that role in this ruleset rewards creative play (not that Render and Telle aren't creative, and they actually did quite well with the roles - their "reveal" had the potential to turn the game around).

And just because things broke right for hoops doesn't mean he made all the right moves. I thought Chief Rum was the obvious #1, but I think only Lathum ever mentioned this possibility, and then just once. So I would have made Rum the brutal, and given either Danny or mccollins the cunning. Had Rum been caught early, this would have been almost an impossible game for the wolves to win.

I didn't understand the role of Masons outside of the 'yeah! we're tied together, we know we're good guys' stuff. I figured, hey why not make the married couple that.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Poli: I still think you did just fine. I really feel like the team you assembled had the talent to win, and didn't.

Thanks, much appreciated.

[Danny]

I think you did fine too. It may not have worked out, but other than making sure I was on the village side (jk), I'm not sure what you could have done better with your draft

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Poli

I didn't understand the role of Masons outside of the 'yeah! we're tied together, we know we're good guys' stuff. I figured, hey why not make the married couple that.

Tiebreakers too. We had to work around that a bit in the LoneStarGirl lynching.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

One other note: D1 Lathum had sent in an order to scan Mrs. Schmidty, which he changed to Telle close to deadline. Had he not faltered on that, the game could have broken completely differently.

WOW

[Danny]

Chief Rum on day two was also a close call. I think the best thing we did as wolves was to play the entire game calm and confident. We never linked from one to another and gave the village plenty of opportunities to over think things.

[oliegirl]

Poli, I think you drafted very well too...the villagers just got a lot of bad breaks. And the wolves capitalized on every one of those breaks.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

One other note: D1 Lathum had sent in an order to scan Mrs. Schmidty, which he changed to Telle close to deadline. Had he not faltered on that, the game could have broken completely differently.

Wow indeed, this would have changed the entire landscape of the game. Talk about alternate realities!