Maximum Football??? - Page 22

Toddzilla · 02-23-2006, 07:17 AM

Wow - 22 pages.

Godwin be damned.

Bonegavel · 02-23-2006, 07:30 AM

http://www.wintervalley.com/cfl_99/

enjoy

FrogMan · 02-23-2006, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Bonegavel

http://www.wintervalley.com/cfl_99/

enjoy

damn you!

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Originally Posted by CFL99 webpage

CFL Football '99 is sold out. At this time we are no longer accepting orders for this product.

Thank you to all that purchased this game in the past.

FM

JPhillips · 02-23-2006, 08:37 AM

This is nice.

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CFL Football '99 is quality product of
Wintervalley Software.

Bee · 02-23-2006, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

This is nice.

I thought you were joking until I went to the link.

Ben E Lou · 02-23-2006, 08:56 AM

This chick has issues.

Butter · 02-23-2006, 09:13 AM

SkyDog, you're walking the fine line of doom that LoneStarGirl had the nerve to walk last week ("it's just a message board" talk). You better watch out! JIMGA will hunt you down!

albionmoonlight · 02-23-2006, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by David Winter

Option plays will be back because they're needed for Canadian rules as well as the US college game. I just felt that it was better to remove something that was an AI buster than to leave it in. It's high on my to do list for the first update.

I just don't see how something this fundamental can be put in in an update. This quote, combined with the "gold master" discussion, has me thinking that the powers that be just don't understand how to complete a project and put it out there. There seems to be this sense that "we can always fix/improve that later," which is death to large, complex projects.

When I worked at a large law firm and worked on complex collaborative projects, one of the first things I was taught was the sacredness of hard deadlines. As long as you think that "we'll be able to get to that later," you didn't do it well. You need to look at the time you have available, decide what can be done well in that time, and do it.

The fact that Matrix Games does not seem to get this has me change my guess of release date from last Wednesday to "Never . . . or if it does get released, it will be so buggy that people are given refunds, and the code is just made freesource for hobbyists and the like"

I am watching to see how Matrix Games deals with this. It will be nice to know when I am deciding what games to buy in the future.

gstelmack · 02-23-2006, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by cartman

Yep. Or more accurately, a double reverse.

How the AI can deal with a double reverse, but not an option play is quite intriguing.

Double handoffs may or may not be a double reverse. If the QB drops back, hands off, and the ball carrier hands off, that's a single reverse. If the QB rolls out, hands off going the other way, and the ball carrier hands off heading back in the original direction, that's a double reverse.

Don't you read TMQ?

rkmsuf · 02-23-2006, 09:19 AM

what about the shovel pass? they work that one in there?

cartman · 02-23-2006, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by gstelmack

Don't you read TMQ?

Only if there is not a new Skip Bayless column to read...

Bee · 02-23-2006, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

This chick has issues.

Yep, she seems to be making things worse. If I were Matrix, I'd probably tell her and David to concentrate on the release and bugs while Erik handled the forum, questions, and PR. So far, Erik seems like the only one who's acting professional.

I kinda feel sorry for Matrix. I don't think they knew what they were getting into with bringing this title on and now if it's as bad as I suspect, it could actually hurt other future sales.

albionmoonlight · 02-23-2006, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Bee

and now if it's as bad as I suspect, it could actually hurt other future sales.

Heck, yes. I, for one, am paying attention to the manner in which they run their forum, the game on which they are putting their name, and the way in which they will handle customer support for the game.

If they do well, then I trust their name. If they do poorly, then I don't. Simple. To many other things on which to spend money to deal with bad companies.

Of course, my opinion of Georgia Tech is also dependent on how good Maximum Football is since they have apparently licensed the yellow jacket logo for the game.

KWhit · 02-23-2006, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Bee

So far, Erik seems like the only one who's acting professional.

Yep. He's handled things reasonably well so far.

VPI97 · 02-23-2006, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

There seems to be this sense that "we can always fix/improve that later," which is death to large, complex projects.

This whole things reeks of amateurism...but ordinarily that would be fine since this is an one man/family operation. When it comes to indy developers, the consumer always has to realize the circumstances surrounding development when it comes to managing expectations, but even if you give Winter the benefit of the doubt about a lot of things, his personality tears down any leeway I would normally give to this type of product. If you want to cultivate the indy spirit and try to influence sales, you don't crap all over suggestions that potential customers may have. You don't target other developers and try to tear down the work they have done in order to make yourself look better. You don't lie to your customer base or leave their questions unanswered. You don't continually commit to dates and fail to make those dates without any more than a vague comment regarding the reasons.

If this guy would have approached the whole thing with a "I'm just a normal guy trying to create something that would be fun" type of attitude, he would have more people willing to give this a try. You know, maybe a "Hey that's a good idea, but may be too complex right now" attitude instead of a "Well, if that's what you want, you're not going to like this game" dismissive comment.

I feel for the guy, really I do. The challenge he made for himself was a big one and he should be feeling good about seeing it almost to completion. But the way he's went about things has probably made this a nightmare instead of accomplishment.

KWhit · 02-23-2006, 09:42 AM

Awwwww!

And now Erik just locked the thread before she could go all Brenda Warner on my ass.

Ben E Lou · 02-23-2006, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

Yep. He's handled things reasonably well so far.

Agreed.

Johnny93g · 02-23-2006, 09:50 AM

Im honestly embarassed that the Winter's are Canadian

albionmoonlight · 02-23-2006, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by VPI97

This whole things reeks of amateurism...but ordinarily that would be fine since this is an one man/family operation. When it comes to indy developers, the consumer always has to realize the circumstances surrounding development when it comes to managing expectations . . .

I see your point, although I think that part of being a professional is knowing how much is too much to bite off. I'm drawing analogies to legal work because it seems to be somewhat similar--you produce intellectual product for consumption by clients/customers. To the extent the analogy is not appropriate, however, I may be missing something.

I would expect a competent solo practicioner to be able to draw out a will or a basic estate plan or help you close on your house or defend a simple DUI, etc.

On the other end of the spectrum, I would not expect a solo practicioner to be able to defend Microsoft in an antitrust suit. That takes a huge firm with vast resources.

If, as a solo attorney, I tried to bite off a project that was too much for my skill level as an individual, then I would be at fault for that decision. You need to have a realistic sense of your own limitations.

It may be that a game like Maximum Football is just too much for any one man, no matter who he is. But no one demanded that Mr. Winter make Maximum Football that complex. I think that I lot of people in his target audience would have been happy with a solid (not even FOF level) sim engine, 2D graphics, and CFL Rules.

Ben E Lou · 02-23-2006, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

Awwwww!

And now Erik just locked the thread before she could go all Brenda Warner on my ass.

I'd say that locking the thread was the right call at the time. However, the BEST call for the good of the company would have been to delete her original post before anyone saw it, and remove her posting privileges.

kcchief19 · 02-23-2006, 10:07 AM

I think Jim's wife Angela needs to post on this message board from time to time.

Dutch · 02-23-2006, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

Awwwww!

And now Erik just locked the thread before she could go all Brenda Warner on my ass.

I thought you post was pretty fair, logical, hardly over the top and brought up some good points. I also thought you were about to be banned for life for behaving like that.

KWhit · 02-23-2006, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

I'd say that locking the thread was the right call at the time.

Agree 100%, but it's still disappointing from an entertainment point of view.

Ben E Lou · 02-23-2006, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

Agree 100%, but it's still disappointing from an entertainment point of view.

Agree 100%.

I've locked more than one thread here when I knew the decision would be unpopular, not from a "you-shouldn't-have-locked-it" perspective, but from a "dang-SkyDog,-you-should-have-left-it-open-cause-mrskippy/maximus/etc-was-REALLY-about-to-go-off-the-charts-in-UIC" perspective.

KWhit · 02-23-2006, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Dutch

I thought you post was pretty fair, logical, hardly over the top and brought up some good points. I also thought you were about to be banned for life for behaving like that.

Yeah, I think once Erik saw that she was being called on her martyrdom, he decided to keep her from being able to respond.

Eaglesfan27 · 02-23-2006, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Heck, yes. I, for one, am paying attention to the manner in which they run their forum, the game on which they are putting their name, and the way in which they will handle customer support for the game.

If they do well, then I trust their name. If they do poorly, then I don't. Simple. To many other things on which to spend money to deal with bad companies.

Of course, my opinion of Georgia Tech is also dependent on how good Maximum Football is since they have apparently licensed the yellow jacket logo for the game.

I completely agree. Depending upon how this is handled, it could cost Matrix a fair bit of sales.

Icy · 02-23-2006, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Isn't he the guy that faked his own death?

Did he really fake it? i thought he really died or that at least we could not be sure if it was fake.
What a fucking stupid, that is not something to joke about.

Ben E Lou · 02-23-2006, 10:31 AM

OK. I've taken steps to increase this thread's comedy factor.

KWhit · 02-23-2006, 10:34 AM

Hmmmm....

I don't see anything on Matrix's board...

JeeberD · 02-23-2006, 10:38 AM

Oh, snap! Has SkyDog been Ghost Banned over there?!?

KWhit · 02-23-2006, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

Oh, snap! Has SkyDog been Ghost Banned over there?!?

Now that would be funny.

Solecismic · 02-23-2006, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by kcchief19

I think Jim's wife Angela needs to post on this message board from time to time.

I've encouraged her to join, but she's just not into football. Never even fired up FOF.

This is one incentive to do the baseball game down the road. I think she would play that.

Ben E Lou · 02-23-2006, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Solecismic

This is one incentive to do the baseball game down the road. I think she would play that.

SFL Cat · 02-23-2006, 10:51 AM

SPORTS SIM HEADLINE NEWS:

Solecismic Promises Baseball Sim At Later Date

SlapBone · 02-23-2006, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Mrs. Winter

Druez, Skydog and Slapbone

To respond to your bashing of not only David and Matrix but also myself (and for women in general - that goes for your "I believe when a woman says "no" she means "yes" comment Slapbone.)

Two things stand out in her martyr post.

1. SkyDog and Druez were mentioned in the same sentence concerning the bashing of a developer. True or not this has turned out to be some pretty damned interesting irony. (I don't mention myself because I am always accused of colluding with Jason to piss people off, even though in this instance it was unplanned).

2. Mrs. Winter has gone batshit insane and has lost all detection of sarcasm. She crossposted my comment which was this:

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I really believe that I am god and that you should all bow down and worship me.

I believe that when a girl says "no" she really means "yes".

I believe that the three-toed sloth is the most intelligent creature on the planet.

I believe that David Caruso is an awesome actor.

I believe that the Houston Astros lost the World Series because the White Sox were abducted by aliens and replaced by cybernetically enhanced clones.

I believe that Barry Bonds has never juiced. (ok 2 baseball references...sue me)

In response to this:

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Originally Posted by That Zowee fanboi

My guess is everyone with Erik and David completing the final tests I am willing to guess that the release that is available to us will be extremely solid if not perfect.

And this:

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Originally Posted by CPTBrown

I agree with you. I also believe that neither Eric nor David ever lied about any information that was put out about the release or game features. Each Beta tester that has talked about the game said that it is incredibly stable and that the game is solid. This has been one of the most open and up-front forums I've ever been a part of.

My sarcasm may not be good, but it is certainly not subtle ( I even put rolly-eyes on the comment she quoted).

Anyway, I have been away since November and I came back last night and read through this entire 22 page thread... I missed you guys. The screens from Sov and the Napolean Dynamite dialogue almost killed me

JonInMiddleGA · 02-23-2006, 10:58 AM

Y'know, I really can't remember when I've been more interested in the release of a new game. What's not to love here?
1) It can't disappoint me.
2) It won't cost me a dime.
3) I have no worries about it being compatible with my system.
4) It's already provided quite a bit of entertainment value to me ... and it isn't even released yet.

I'm lovin' it

Ben E Lou · 02-23-2006, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlapBone

1. SkyDog and Druez were mentioned in the same sentence concerning the bashing of a developer.

It takes the greatness that is Maximum Football to bring together Druez, SkyDog and SlapBone. You should konw that.

druez · 02-23-2006, 11:03 AM

First of all I would like to thank Winter Valley Software for making this possible. I owe Mr and Mrs Winter some heartfelt thanks in making the impossible, possible again. I never expected to grace these esteemed message boards again.

The true dark jedi has lifted my ban so I may enjoy in the funt that is this thread. I thank you sir! I hope for one day we can get along and discuss the travisty that is Max Football.

A brief Ode to the Winter's.

Mr and Mrs Winter oh how I luv thee
You've made my dream of coming back
a reality.

Winter is coming
Winter is near
Winter has come and gone
for over five years

Yet still no game
it is the same.

In a game of ultimited options
I can't run the option?
How can this be?
This must be a trick say it can't be!?

Chuck Norris and Jesus too!
Is there anything this game can't do?
Teleport here and Teleport there.
But, can I make the cheerleaders
have no underwear?

I'll cut this ode short and say no more
does anyone believe the Winters anymore?

Toddzilla · 02-23-2006, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SFL Cat

SPORTS SIM HEADLINE NEWS:
Solecismic Promises Baseball Sim At Later Date

Oddly enough, Solecismic has released as many baseball games as Matrix has football games.

Even money as to which game comes out first.

Ben E Lou · 02-23-2006, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

Hmmmm....

I don't see anything on Matrix's board...

Who said anything about the Matrix Board?

KWhit · 02-23-2006, 11:04 AM

Oh boy.

JeeberD · 02-23-2006, 11:05 AM

Oh dear lord, the end is near!

Eaglesfan27 · 02-23-2006, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by druez

First of all I would like to thank Winter Valley Software for making this possible. I owe Mr and Mrs Winter some heartfelt thanks in making the impossible, possible again. I never expected to grace these esteemed message boards again.

The true dark jedi has lifted my ban so I may enjoy in the funt that is this thread. I thank you sir! I hope for one day we can get along and discuss the travisty that is Max Football.

A brief Ode to the Winter's.

Mr and Mrs Winter oh how I luv thee
You've made my dream of coming back
a reality.

Winter is coming
Winter is near
Winter has come and gone
for over five years

Yet still no game
it is the same.

In a game of ultimited options
I can't run the option?
How can this be?
This must be a trick say it can't be!?

Chuck Norris and Jesus too!
Is there anything this game can't do?
Teleport here and Teleport there.
But, can I make the cheerleaders
have no underwear?

I'll cut this ode short and say no more
does anyone believe the Winters anymore?

LOL

JeeberD · 02-23-2006, 11:05 AM

Dola-

As long as you're lifting bans, when does Sui get to come back?

Antmeister · 02-23-2006, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

Dola-

As long as you're lifting bans, when does Sui get to come back?

Yes I would want to see Suicane back please.

sovereignstar · 02-23-2006, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Solecismic

This is one incentive to do the baseball game down the road. I think she would play that.

DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT
DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT
PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ

KWhit · 02-23-2006, 11:07 AM

This is like when Peck makes the Ghostbusters shut down their containment system and the ghosts go batshit all over New York.

Ben E Lou · 02-23-2006, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeeberD

Dola-

As long as you're lifting bans, when does Sui get to come back?

When I interact him for four months of completely rational behavior and he agrees to only post in one thread.

druez · 02-23-2006, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KWhit

This is like when Peck makes the Ghostbusters shut down their containment system and the ghosts go batshit all over New York.

LOL

SlapBone · 02-23-2006, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkyDog

It takes the greatness that is Maximum Football to bring together Druez, SkyDog and SlapBone. You should konw that.

I'll make sure Druez plays the game if you let him post his AAR.

02-23-2006, 07:17 AM	#1051
Toddzilla Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burke, VA	Wow - 22 pages. Godwin be damned. Last edited by Toddzilla : 02-23-2006 at 07:18 AM. Reason: my post made it 22 pages - tee hee

02-23-2006, 08:56 AM	#1056
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	This chick has issues. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

02-23-2006, 09:13 AM	#1057
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	SkyDog, you're walking the fine line of doom that LoneStarGirl had the nerve to walk last week ("it's just a message board" talk). You better watch out! JIMGA will hunt you down! __________________ My listening habits

02-23-2006, 09:19 AM	#1060
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	what about the shovel pass? they work that one in there? __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

02-23-2006, 09:50 AM	#1068
Johnny93g College Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Toronto	Im honestly embarassed that the Winter's are Canadian __________________ FOOL- Toronto Marlboros FOOL Classic Champions 2073, 2078, 2079, 2114, 2116, 2117, 2129, 2152, 2155, 2169, 2192 46 35 FOOL H- New York Giants World Champions 1914, 1928 BBCF: Notre Dame TML

02-23-2006, 07:30 AM	#1052
Bonegavel Awaiting Further Instructions... Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Macungie, PA	http://www.wintervalley.com/cfl_99/ enjoy

02-23-2006, 09:42 AM	#1066
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Awwwww! And now Erik just locked the thread before she could go all Brenda Warner on my ass.

02-23-2006, 10:07 AM	#1071
kcchief19 Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Kansas City, MO	I think Jim's wife Angela needs to post on this message board from time to time.

02-23-2006, 10:31 AM	#1078
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	OK. I've taken steps to increase this thread's comedy factor. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

02-23-2006, 10:34 AM	#1079
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Hmmmm.... I don't see anything on Matrix's board...

02-23-2006, 10:38 AM	#1080
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Oh, snap! Has SkyDog been Ghost Banned over there?!? __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

02-23-2006, 10:51 AM	#1084
SFL Cat College Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: South Florida	SPORTS SIM HEADLINE NEWS: Solecismic Promises Baseball Sim At Later Date

02-23-2006, 10:58 AM	#1086
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Y'know, I really can't remember when I've been more interested in the release of a new game. What's not to love here? 1) It can't disappoint me. 2) It won't cost me a dime. 3) I have no worries about it being compatible with my system. 4) It's already provided quite a bit of entertainment value to me ... and it isn't even released yet. I'm lovin' it __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

02-23-2006, 11:03 AM	#1088
druez Banned Join Date: Nov 2003	First of all I would like to thank Winter Valley Software for making this possible. I owe Mr and Mrs Winter some heartfelt thanks in making the impossible, possible again. I never expected to grace these esteemed message boards again. The true dark jedi has lifted my ban so I may enjoy in the funt that is this thread. I thank you sir! I hope for one day we can get along and discuss the travisty that is Max Football. A brief Ode to the Winter's. Mr and Mrs Winter oh how I luv thee You've made my dream of coming back a reality. Winter is coming Winter is near Winter has come and gone for over five years Yet still no game it is the same. In a game of ultimited options I can't run the option? How can this be? This must be a trick say it can't be!? Chuck Norris and Jesus too! Is there anything this game can't do? Teleport here and Teleport there. But, can I make the cheerleaders have no underwear? I'll cut this ode short and say no more does anyone believe the Winters anymore?

02-23-2006, 11:04 AM	#1091
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Oh boy.

02-23-2006, 11:05 AM	#1092
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Oh dear lord, the end is near! __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

02-23-2006, 11:05 AM	#1094
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Dola- As long as you're lifting bans, when does Sui get to come back? __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

02-23-2006, 11:07 AM	#1097
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	This is like when Peck makes the Ghostbusters shut down their containment system and the ghosts go batshit all over New York.

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