Alright Boyz, Here We Go! Cities:Skylines Impressions - Page 3

Ramzavail · 03-19-2015, 08:46 AM

how the heck does the buses work? I was all confused with routes and stops and then I had 22 buses going at once and my budget looked like it was through the roof. Eventually I right clicked a bunch to kill the routes and shut off the bus terminal to stop the bleeding.

Peregrine · 03-19-2015, 09:06 PM

I'm not sure what the strategy is with buses - all I did was create a bunch of routes trying to cover almost all the areas of the city. I don't know if I'm supposed to make one route covering residential and industry areas, but instead I just made one route for each few blocks of the city - haven't noticed any crazy budget issues but will check next time I'm playing.

Groundhog · 03-19-2015, 09:36 PM

I noticed that if I have buses with too many routes that cover too great an area, people traffic at the bus stops seems to increase a ton, and buses spend the entire route basically full. Not sure what impact it actually has game-wise, but I set up shorter routes that connect with each other and it seemed to help there.

Fidatelo · 03-20-2015, 09:04 AM

Picked this up late last night, can't wait to explore it this weekend.

jeff061 · 03-20-2015, 09:11 AM

I re-did all my highways and my tourism skyrocketed. Should have done that earlier.

Still have more granular re-working on traffic patterns I have to do. Other than that, at this point it's scale, scale, scale and see how far I can push it. Up over 100k people now and over 50k/week income.

I'm making heavy use of both buses and subway as well as free public transportation. Not sure how efficient the layout is, but they are being used.

Buccaneer · 03-20-2015, 11:53 AM

What upgrade did you make to all of your highways?

jeff061 · 03-20-2015, 11:59 AM

Just added a few new ones spanning the entire map, interchanged with existing ones, added exits near industrial and other heavy traffic areas. Also put some railroads on trestles that were causing traffic pileups at some intersections.

Goal was to give industrial trucks a quick path out instead of cutting through local zones(where they kill traffic)and to alleviate some congestion. Also wanted quick routes to boats and airport. But all those additional exits coupled with interchanges to out of city routes made a huge difference in tourism immediately. There is a giant before and after spike.

NobodyHere · 03-20-2015, 12:40 PM

For some reason my citizens are getting unhappy

Young Drachma · 03-20-2015, 01:13 PM

Trying so hard to avoid buying this yet, but you all are making me want to crack. Been needing a SimCity successor for a long while.

Subby · 03-20-2015, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Young Drachma

Trying so hard to avoid buying this yet, but you all are making me want to crack. Been needing a SimCity successor for a long while.

Yeah this might have to happen tonight. What's it like to play a non sports text simulation video game????

Eaglesfan27 · 03-20-2015, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere

For some reason my citizens are getting unhappy

That is classic.

cartman · 03-20-2015, 02:05 PM

They clearly want the payoff of a loop-de-loop. That's why they are unhappy.

Mota · 03-20-2015, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

That is classic.

I had a dream similar to that once. My commute ended up going over this giant lake and the road was extremely windy and steep that my car could barely climb it, and then it was like a roller coaster on the way down and I couldn't keep it under control. If you went off the road it was straight into the lake for a guaranteed death.

Can you tell that I hate driving?

bulletsponge · 03-20-2015, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere

For some reason my citizens are getting unhappy

are you confused? this isnt Rollercoaster tycoon

Buccaneer · 03-20-2015, 04:10 PM

Mota, you too, huh? To me, it's my lifelong fascination with high bridges over water. My bridge dreams exaggerates that.

Stupid question, I assume this game is available at Steam?

Young Drachma · 03-20-2015, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Mota, you too, huh? To me, it's my lifelong fascination with high bridges over water. My bridge dreams exaggerates that.

Stupid question, I assume this game is available at Steam?

Yup/

Young Drachma · 03-20-2015, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Subby

Yeah this might have to happen tonight. What's it like to play a non sports text simulation video game????

Haha...you and me both. This snow is demanding it.

Lonnie · 03-20-2015, 04:46 PM

Green Man Gaming still has it for $21.89 in their VIP section which you can access by just creating an account. You get a Steam key for it.

AlexB · 03-20-2015, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere

For some reason my citizens are getting unhappy

Meh. We did this 40 years ago IRL

BBC News - Birmingham's Spaghetti Junction turns 40

Buccaneer · 03-21-2015, 12:05 PM

How many of you are playing with mods, particularly the ones chinaski listed?

Eaglesfan27 · 03-21-2015, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

How many of you are playing with mods, particularly the ones chinaski listed?

Right now, I'm playing default game but after this city eventually fizzles out, I will implement some of the mods recommended in this thread.

Peregrine · 03-21-2015, 12:09 PM

I am playing with several mods - including most of the ones he listed. Some really handy mods out there.

Eaglesfan27 · 03-21-2015, 07:06 PM

Decided to re-start my city tonight and use the mods listed here as well as a few listed in an article on Gamespot.

Bigsmooth · 03-21-2015, 07:41 PM

The mods are getting truly amazing. Check out the soccer field. This game is all consuming ha.

Buccaneer · 03-21-2015, 07:50 PM

I have not had any experience with Steam Workshop, so took me a little bit to get that right but amazed at the number of mods so far.

Did start the tutorial but then I got stumped as I didn't know how much to plan and build (i.e., what was considered starting out small). Quill's Let's Play is helping a lot.

My hope for the future is to introduce a historical scenario where you build dirt roads, farms, market and colonial villages and then have it progress through the historical eras - where different types of buildings and technologies become available.

stevew · 03-21-2015, 10:53 PM

Is there any reason to buy the deluxe version?

chinaski · 03-21-2015, 11:08 PM

Nah not really, just comes with a few extra special buildings, which you can easily make up for with custom assets.

Vince, Pt. II · 03-22-2015, 12:11 AM

I think you get the soundtrack too, right? I enjoy the sound, but I don't know if that's enough to purchase the deluxe version on its own.

stevew · 03-22-2015, 01:02 AM

Ok. It didn't look like much but if it was only $8 extra for something good I'd do it

jeff061 · 03-22-2015, 08:20 AM

I more often than not spring for the deluxe versions, but I didn't see the value on this one.

Buccaneer · 03-22-2015, 09:38 AM

After watching Quill's six videos, it seems that it would be a good idea to have a master plan before building - is that feasible? I get that he was trying out different things of the game but the two towns seem awkward at best. Also, I realize that he has a penchant for SimCity-like grids but I would be more interested in seeing layouts that follow the contours of the land (like Pittsburgh).

Eaglesfan27 · 03-22-2015, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

After watching Quill's six videos, it seems that it would be a good idea to have a master plan before building - is that feasible? I get that he was trying out different things of the game but the two towns seem awkward at best. Also, I realize that he has a penchant for SimCity-like grids but I would be more interested in seeing layouts that follow the contours of the land (like Pittsburgh).

I think a master plan is a good idea... just hard to stick to at times. I've re-started my first city 4 times. First time was because I had no plan. 2nd time because my plan didn't work. 3rd time I had a great master plan. I drew some sketches and everything but then I let my city deviate too far from what I wanted. Now, I've got a thriving little city that I can't stop playing

korme · 03-22-2015, 11:00 AM

After building a city that has a limitless amount of people and a continually growing population as much as I expand, I almost feel done with the game after a little under 10 hours. Don't know why I'd start over.

Scoobz0202 · 03-22-2015, 11:02 AM

My laptop can't handle this as it's an ultrabook. What I was wondering, though, is this the type of game that I would be able to maybe use a remote desktop app to play when Im not home? I'm away from home more than not so if I could just connect to my desktop that would be great. I have no idea how remote performs, though. I assume there will be delay issues but this isn't a FPS so unsure how that may affect it.

Young Drachma · 03-22-2015, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scoobz0202

My laptop can't handle this as it's an ultrabook. What I was wondering, though, is this the type of game that I would be able to maybe use a remote desktop app to play when Im not home? I'm away from home more than not so if I could just connect to my desktop that would be great. I have no idea how remote performs, though. I assume there will be delay issues but this isn't a FPS so unsure how that may affect it.

I've played SimCity back when I had a Surface that way before and I can tell you it's kind of hell. It's a lot easier to play text sims that way since there's no graphics. So yeah you can do it and I've done it, but...it's far from ideal.

jeff061 · 03-22-2015, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scoobz0202

My laptop can't handle this as it's an ultrabook. What I was wondering, though, is this the type of game that I would be able to maybe use a remote desktop app to play when Im not home? I'm away from home more than not so if I could just connect to my desktop that would be great. I have no idea how remote performs, though. I assume there will be delay issues but this isn't a FPS so unsure how that may affect it.

Eventually I suspect Steam will allow you to user their streaming ability over your internet connection. Until this happens I suspect you are out of luck.

Peregrine · 03-22-2015, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by korme

After building a city that has a limitless amount of people and a continually growing population as much as I expand, I almost feel done with the game after a little under 10 hours. Don't know why I'd start over.

As much as I love this game I have to agree - seems like it's not too hard to get to a stable town situation where you make tons of money - once you have that there's really no situation you can't easily overcome. I'd like to see some random event options, scenarios where you have to overcome certain problems, etc. Maybe that will come in time.

Buccaneer · 03-22-2015, 03:53 PM

Scenarios along with random and action-oriented events are critical for the on-going success of any strategy games.

Groundhog · 03-22-2015, 04:54 PM

Has anyone tried using the increased difficulty option?

stevew · 03-23-2015, 05:44 AM

After never being able to connect my metro I just demoed it in frustration.

Qwikshot · 03-23-2015, 08:29 AM

I think it would be beneficial to have multiple line colors and perhaps numbers to figure out broken lines and the like.

Or a clear all routes button.

Shkspr · 03-23-2015, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Groundhog

Has anyone tried using the increased difficulty option?

I played with it some, but EA's servers wouldn't let me on, so I deleted it.

Buccaneer · 03-23-2015, 08:45 AM

I played quite a bit last night and so far, I've seen this pattern:

(assuming you laid out your streets in a logical fashion - commercial main street surrounded by residential blocks, separate street for industrial)
1. Add residential
2. Add turbine and water
3. Add commercial
4. Add industrial
5. Add turbine and water
6. Reach milestone, add new services
7. Add residential
8. Add turbine and water
9. Add commercial
10. Add industrial
11. Add turbine and water
12. Reach milestone, add new services
repeat...

I kept waiting for something different or at least a problem to happen.

Peregrine · 03-23-2015, 08:59 AM

Yeah the issue is there isn't really any problem that can't be fixed by adding a few new services. Once you get to the point where money is no object then the challenge goes way downhill. Other than major traffic snarls (which if nothing else can be fixed by just bulldozing a lot of stuff and re-doing the roads) I haven't seen anything which really challenged my inevitable rise to a mega-city.

Really hoping they will add some more challenges since the base game is so good.

Fidatelo · 03-23-2015, 10:18 AM

You guys must be better at this stuff than me. My first city is going to go bankrupt and I don't think I can stop it. I've only managed to get to about 3200 people. I know the mistakes I've made and can likely avoid them on my next attempt but I'm sure I'll make others as that city grows to new levels.

I've got 5 hours in now and I can't see how another 5 would get me to a point where I'd already feel done with this game.

Qwikshot · 03-23-2015, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fidatelo

You guys must be better at this stuff than me. My first city is going to go bankrupt and I don't think I can stop it. I've only managed to get to about 3200 people. I know the mistakes I've made and can likely avoid them on my next attempt but I'm sure I'll make others as that city grows to new levels.

I've got 5 hours in now and I can't see how another 5 would get me to a point where I'd already feel done with this game.

I had multiple restarts...the best was that I decided to use water pumps but placed them in the industrial district, then I was wondering why everyone was sicker than usual (HOBOY, restart).

Buccaneer · 03-23-2015, 11:13 AM

I think one of the key things that would make the base game more challenging is a hard map - no large flat areas, no rivers perhaps?

Buccaneer · 03-23-2015, 11:25 AM

I guess my main criticism of the game, besides the lack of gaming elements, would be the lack of information on micro-problems like happiness. But then again, if problems were easily identified, then there would be nothing to think about.

stevew · 03-24-2015, 06:58 PM

My town was having major traffic issues coming off the interstate. All the cars were backing up. Can someone screenshot me a city that won't have these issues. I suspect I need more roads heading into town?

MrBug708 · 03-24-2015, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevew

My town was having major traffic issues coming off the interstate. All the cars were backing up. Can someone screenshot me a city that won't have these issues. I suspect I need more roads heading into town?

Had the same problem. Didnt make it far enough in the game to get access to items that would fix it. IE bridges and overpasses and offramps

03-19-2015, 09:06 PM	#102
Peregrine Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Cary, NC	I'm not sure what the strategy is with buses - all I did was create a bunch of routes trying to cover almost all the areas of the city. I don't know if I'm supposed to make one route covering residential and industry areas, but instead I just made one route for each few blocks of the city - haven't noticed any crazy budget issues but will check next time I'm playing. __________________ Your guilty conscience may force you to vote Democratic, but deep down inside you secretly long for a cold-hearted Republican to lower taxes, brutalize criminals, and rule you like a king. --Sideshow Bob

03-19-2015, 09:36 PM	#103
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	I noticed that if I have buses with too many routes that cover too great an area, people traffic at the bus stops seems to increase a ton, and buses spend the entire route basically full. Not sure what impact it actually has game-wise, but I set up shorter routes that connect with each other and it seemed to help there. __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

03-20-2015, 09:04 AM	#104
Fidatelo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Winnipeg, MB	Picked this up late last night, can't wait to explore it this weekend. __________________ "Breakfast? Breakfast schmekfast, look at the score for God's sake. It's only the second period and I'm winning 12-2. Breakfasts come and go, Rene, but Hartford, the Whale, they only beat Vancouver maybe once or twice in a lifetime."

03-20-2015, 09:11 AM	#105
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	I re-did all my highways and my tourism skyrocketed. Should have done that earlier. Still have more granular re-working on traffic patterns I have to do. Other than that, at this point it's scale, scale, scale and see how far I can push it. Up over 100k people now and over 50k/week income. I'm making heavy use of both buses and subway as well as free public transportation. Not sure how efficient the layout is, but they are being used. __________________ Last edited by jeff061 : 03-20-2015 at 09:12 AM.

03-20-2015, 11:59 AM	#107
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	Just added a few new ones spanning the entire map, interchanged with existing ones, added exits near industrial and other heavy traffic areas. Also put some railroads on trestles that were causing traffic pileups at some intersections. Goal was to give industrial trucks a quick path out instead of cutting through local zones(where they kill traffic)and to alleviate some congestion. Also wanted quick routes to boats and airport. But all those additional exits coupled with interchanges to out of city routes made a huge difference in tourism immediately. There is a giant before and after spike. __________________ Last edited by jeff061 : 03-20-2015 at 12:00 PM.

03-19-2015, 08:46 AM	#101
Ramzavail College Starter Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Strong Island, NY	how the heck does the buses work? I was all confused with routes and stops and then I had 22 buses going at once and my budget looked like it was through the roof. Eventually I right clicked a bunch to kill the routes and shut off the bus terminal to stop the bleeding.

03-20-2015, 11:53 AM	#106
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	What upgrade did you make to all of your highways?

03-20-2015, 12:40 PM	#108
NobodyHere Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2013	For some reason my citizens are getting unhappy __________________ "I am God's prophet, and I need an attorney"

03-20-2015, 01:13 PM	#109
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Trying so hard to avoid buying this yet, but you all are making me want to crack. Been needing a SimCity successor for a long while. __________________ Current Dynasty:The Zenith of Professional Basketball Careers (FBPB/FBCB) FBCB / FPB3 Mods Last edited by Young Drachma : 03-20-2015 at 01:13 PM.

03-20-2015, 02:05 PM	#112
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	They clearly want the payoff of a loop-de-loop. That's why they are unhappy. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

03-20-2015, 04:10 PM	#115
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	Mota, you too, huh? To me, it's my lifelong fascination with high bridges over water. My bridge dreams exaggerates that. Stupid question, I assume this game is available at Steam?

03-20-2015, 04:46 PM	#118
Lonnie High School Varsity Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Midlothian, TX	Green Man Gaming still has it for $21.89 in their VIP section which you can access by just creating an account. You get a Steam key for it. __________________ Lonnie

03-21-2015, 12:05 PM	#120
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	How many of you are playing with mods, particularly the ones chinaski listed?

03-21-2015, 12:09 PM	#122
Peregrine Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Cary, NC	I am playing with several mods - including most of the ones he listed. Some really handy mods out there. __________________ Your guilty conscience may force you to vote Democratic, but deep down inside you secretly long for a cold-hearted Republican to lower taxes, brutalize criminals, and rule you like a king. --Sideshow Bob

03-21-2015, 07:06 PM	#123
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	Decided to re-start my city tonight and use the mods listed here as well as a few listed in an article on Gamespot. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

03-21-2015, 07:41 PM	#124
Bigsmooth College Prospect Join Date: Dec 2006	The mods are getting truly amazing. Check out the soccer field. This game is all consuming ha.

03-21-2015, 07:50 PM	#125
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	I have not had any experience with Steam Workshop, so took me a little bit to get that right but amazed at the number of mods so far. Did start the tutorial but then I got stumped as I didn't know how much to plan and build (i.e., what was considered starting out small). Quill's Let's Play is helping a lot. My hope for the future is to introduce a historical scenario where you build dirt roads, farms, market and colonial villages and then have it progress through the historical eras - where different types of buildings and technologies become available.

03-21-2015, 10:53 PM	#126
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Is there any reason to buy the deluxe version?

03-21-2015, 11:08 PM	#127
chinaski College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon	Nah not really, just comes with a few extra special buildings, which you can easily make up for with custom assets. __________________ CCFL - Buffalo Bills IHOF - Houston Mustangs GML - San Diego

03-22-2015, 12:11 AM	#128
Vince, Pt. II Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Somewhere More Familiar	I think you get the soundtrack too, right? I enjoy the sound, but I don't know if that's enough to purchase the deluxe version on its own.

03-22-2015, 01:02 AM	#129
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Ok. It didn't look like much but if it was only $8 extra for something good I'd do it

03-22-2015, 08:20 AM	#130
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	I more often than not spring for the deluxe versions, but I didn't see the value on this one. __________________

03-22-2015, 09:38 AM	#131
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	After watching Quill's six videos, it seems that it would be a good idea to have a master plan before building - is that feasible? I get that he was trying out different things of the game but the two towns seem awkward at best. Also, I realize that he has a penchant for SimCity-like grids but I would be more interested in seeing layouts that follow the contours of the land (like Pittsburgh).

03-22-2015, 11:00 AM	#133
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	After building a city that has a limitless amount of people and a continually growing population as much as I expand, I almost feel done with the game after a little under 10 hours. Don't know why I'd start over.

03-22-2015, 11:02 AM	#134
Scoobz0202 Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio	My laptop can't handle this as it's an ultrabook. What I was wondering, though, is this the type of game that I would be able to maybe use a remote desktop app to play when Im not home? I'm away from home more than not so if I could just connect to my desktop that would be great. I have no idea how remote performs, though. I assume there will be delay issues but this isn't a FPS so unsure how that may affect it.

03-22-2015, 03:53 PM	#138
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	Scenarios along with random and action-oriented events are critical for the on-going success of any strategy games.

03-22-2015, 04:54 PM	#139
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	Has anyone tried using the increased difficulty option? __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

03-23-2015, 05:44 AM	#140
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	After never being able to connect my metro I just demoed it in frustration.

03-23-2015, 08:29 AM	#141
Qwikshot Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: ...down the gravity well	I think it would be beneficial to have multiple line colors and perhaps numbers to figure out broken lines and the like. Or a clear all routes button. __________________ "General Woundwort's body was never found. It could be that he still lives his fierce life somewhere else, but from that day on, mother rabbits would tell their kittens that if they did not do as they were told, the General would get them. Such was Woundwort's monument, and perhaps it would not have displeased him." Watership Down, Richard Adams

03-23-2015, 08:45 AM	#143
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	I played quite a bit last night and so far, I've seen this pattern: (assuming you laid out your streets in a logical fashion - commercial main street surrounded by residential blocks, separate street for industrial) 1. Add residential 2. Add turbine and water 3. Add commercial 4. Add industrial 5. Add turbine and water 6. Reach milestone, add new services 7. Add residential 8. Add turbine and water 9. Add commercial 10. Add industrial 11. Add turbine and water 12. Reach milestone, add new services repeat... I kept waiting for something different or at least a problem to happen.

03-23-2015, 08:59 AM	#144
Peregrine Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Cary, NC	Yeah the issue is there isn't really any problem that can't be fixed by adding a few new services. Once you get to the point where money is no object then the challenge goes way downhill. Other than major traffic snarls (which if nothing else can be fixed by just bulldozing a lot of stuff and re-doing the roads) I haven't seen anything which really challenged my inevitable rise to a mega-city. Really hoping they will add some more challenges since the base game is so good. __________________ Your guilty conscience may force you to vote Democratic, but deep down inside you secretly long for a cold-hearted Republican to lower taxes, brutalize criminals, and rule you like a king. --Sideshow Bob

03-23-2015, 10:18 AM	#145
Fidatelo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Winnipeg, MB	You guys must be better at this stuff than me. My first city is going to go bankrupt and I don't think I can stop it. I've only managed to get to about 3200 people. I know the mistakes I've made and can likely avoid them on my next attempt but I'm sure I'll make others as that city grows to new levels. I've got 5 hours in now and I can't see how another 5 would get me to a point where I'd already feel done with this game. __________________ "Breakfast? Breakfast schmekfast, look at the score for God's sake. It's only the second period and I'm winning 12-2. Breakfasts come and go, Rene, but Hartford, the Whale, they only beat Vancouver maybe once or twice in a lifetime."

03-23-2015, 11:13 AM	#147
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	I think one of the key things that would make the base game more challenging is a hard map - no large flat areas, no rivers perhaps?

03-23-2015, 11:25 AM	#148
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	I guess my main criticism of the game, besides the lack of gaming elements, would be the lack of information on micro-problems like happiness. But then again, if problems were easily identified, then there would be nothing to think about.

03-24-2015, 06:58 PM	#149
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	My town was having major traffic issues coming off the interstate. All the cars were backing up. Can someone screenshot me a city that won't have these issues. I suspect I need more roads heading into town?