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[Vince, Pt. II]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Wait, was the point of that Varys scene with the little girl that he was trying to poison Daenerys? I thought he was just getting updates about how she was emotionally unstable and acting irrationally, and deciding he had to approach Jon Snow when he arrived on Dragonstone.

Yeah, it was a little too subtle, I think. He was dismayed Daenerys wasn't eating, then told the little girl to get back to the kitchens or she would be missed. Mentions as she's leaving that the greatest sacrifices earn the greatest rewards.

Anyone know what the significance of Varys taking off the rings was?

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by Vince, Pt. II

Anyone know what the significance of Varys taking off the rings was?

Presumably so they wouldn't be melted when he was burnt to a crisp.

[ISiddiqui]

Yeah, I think it was so the audience would know that Varys understood he was about to die.

Though I wonder how many messages he got out telling the lords of Westeros that Jon is a Targaryen.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Yeah, I think it was so the audience would know that Varys understood he was about to die.

Though I wonder how many messages he got out telling the lords of Westeros that Jon is a Targaryen.

Did he send them out? I thought he wrote them, but then burned then after he met Jon on the beach & Jon (again) rejected the chance at the throne.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Did he send them out? I thought he wrote them, but then burned then after he met Jon on the beach & Jon (again) rejected the chance at the throne.

Well he burned the one he was writing at the moment, but remember he was also writing a message at the beginning when his little bird came in to tell him that Dany wasn't eating.

[spleen1015]

And he had many that were already rolled up sitting on the desk.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by Logan

I just didn't really like it. Hard to explain I guess, I didn't think Dany's turn was unearned or anything. But I guess it just sort of bummed me out that it was the direction they took so that was the feeling I was left with for pretty much the rest of the episode.

My wife was falling asleep 20 mins in so I'll rewatch it tonight and maybe feel differently this time around.

I rewatched. No change in opinion.

People think Dany's turn was earned. I thought it was way too extreme. I'm not going to try and convince those people that they are wrong or that they shouldn't like the episode/series because of it. But I definitely did not and that's just how I feel.

This last season was a real disappointment for me beginning with the Battle of Winterfell. I'll give it some time of course but I really don't see myself revisiting past seasons like I typically do for some of my other favorite shows. The whole thing just left a sour taste in my mouth.

I do think I'll give the books a shot a few years down the road when I have some more time on my hands.

[Izulde]

I think they could have set it up differently so that she didn't experience the break after the bells and quiet had settled in, or provided some more immediate emotional impetus to put it on firmer ground - One place I read suggested that Rhaegal doesn't die in the previous episode, but instead dies during this one as a much better setup for the turn.

[ISiddiqui]

Loud chanting by the Northmen in favor of Jon Snow, King in the North, may have also accomplished similar.

Though the real issue is that obvious there was some interior dialogue going on at that moment and the showrunners decided not to let us in. Even a "They aren't going to get off that easy" may have helped.

[Arles]

I wonder if a part of Dany's genocide was because she felt no one in King's Landing wanted her - so the more "locals" she killed, the more she could replace with outsiders who followed her (dothraki, northern army) or new children who didn't have the built in bias. Basically, if she leaves 100,000 Lannister armymen and 800,000 King's Landing locals there is a better chance of a revolt than wiping out the Lannisters and leaving only around 300-400K in locals.

[Radii]

Originally Posted by Arles

I wonder if a part of Dany's genocide was because she felt no one in King's Landing wanted her"

I agree with the part i quoted but I don't think the rest fits for me. She just wants and expected to be welcomed home to her rightful throne and beloved by all. She's not and she's reacting... poorly to say the least. That's my read on it at least.

[NobodyHere]

Or maybe she just had a little bit of Khal Drogo in her.

[Mota]

Originally Posted by Logan

People think Dany's turn was earned. I thought it was way too extreme. I'm not going to try and convince those people that they are wrong or that they shouldn't like the episode/series because of it. But I definitely did not and that's just how I feel.

I feel like everything is making sense, but in a fast forward kind of way. Dany's character has been working in this direction since the beginning, however I think that moving from the lust for power to complete madness did happen too quickly.

It also is somewhat of a perspective thing. She's slagged many people before with her dragons. But they didn't show the children running away, with sad music playing.

I think she had to burn the entire city to get to episode 6 and tell the story that they need to tell us. However, something a lot less extreme is probably what should have happened, and a slower journey to madness. Which we will probably get in the books. (which will never come out)

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Or maybe she just had a little bit of Khal Drogo in her.

The ghost of Drogo is offended.

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by Mota

However, something a lot less extreme is probably what should have happened, and a slower journey to madness. Which we will probably get in the books. (which will never come out)

I heard via a podcast I was listening to that he has the next 2 books completed and was told to hold off on them until the series finished. I hope that's true, but I haven't heard it anywhere else.

[Pyser]

Originally Posted by GRRM

All of a sudden this crazy story about my finishing THE WINDS OF WINTER and A DREAM OF SPRING years ago is popping up everywhere. No, I am not going to provide links. I don’t want to reward purveyors of misinformation with hits.

I will, however, say for the record — no, THE WINDS OF WINTER and A DREAM OF SPRING are not finished. DREAM is not even begun; I am not going to start writing volume seven until I finish volume six

It seems absurd to me that I need to state this. The world is round, the Earth revolves around the sun, water is wet… do I need to say that too? It boggles me that anyone would believe this story, even for an instant. It makes not a whit of sense. Why would I sit for years on completed novels? Why would my publishers — not just here in the US, but all around the world — ever consent to this? They make millions and millions of dollars every time a new Ice & Fire book comes out, as do I. Delaying makes no sense. Why would HBO want the books delayed? The books help create interest in the show, just as the show creates interest in the books.

So… no, the books are not done. HBO did not ask me to delay them. Nor did David & Dan. There is no “deal” to hold back on the books. I assure you, HBO and David & Dan would both have been thrilled and delighted if THE WINDS OF WINTER had been delivered and published four or five years ago… and NO ONE would have been more delighted than me.

so, no

[thesloppy]

False flag!

[PilotMan]

"It's absurd that a writer would ever be expected to write! Why do I have to keep telling people, I don't write? I just talk about it, use it as my title, and promise that I am not doing a god damned thing! I would be delighted if I had written more books, but for god's sake, I don't have to write if I can't!"

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

"It's absurd that a writer would ever be expected to write! Why do I have to keep telling people, I don't write? I just talk about it, use it as my title, and promise that I am not doing a god damned thing! I would be delighted if I had written more books, but for god's sake, I don't have to write if I can't!"

My thoughts exactly. Earth is round, water is wet, GRRM is incapable completing a novel now.

[Izulde]

Another fun, stupid, and illogical fan theory is making the rounds: Bran warged into Drogon and was responsible for the King's Landing wipeout.

[stevew]

Bran warged into the horse that appeared suddenly to help Arya escape is a believable theory

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Izulde

Another fun, stupid, and illogical fan theory is making the rounds: Bran warged into Drogon and was responsible for the King's Landing wipeout.

People are grasping at straws trying to explain the terrible writing this season.

[Swaggs]

People are suggesting that Jamie may have survived because he did not do post-episode interviews (I guess the actors that play Cersei, Sandor, and Varys all did) and none of the other cast members recognized him on social media.

Almost believable.

[stevew]

Really happy these assclowns(B&W) are doing the next Star Wars

[NobodyHere]

I'd still take them over Rian Johnson

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Izulde

Only bit I didn't like about Cleganebowl: That unmasked The Mountain was a dead ringer for unmasked Darth Vader. I'm like, really? You couldn't go with something more original?

Glad I wasn't alone on this thought. Also the scorpions all of a sudden turning utterly useless also caused an eyeroll.

Other than that, I enjoyed the episode and thought the end of Cersei and Jaime was very fitting for them to go out together.

[Lathum]

people gonna be hella pissed

[GrantDawg]

Well? Having read the spoilers and knowing this was where it was going made it a little better for me. I wish the next series was that King's council.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Well? Having read the spoilers and knowing this was where it was going made it a little better for me. I wish the next series was that King's council.

I hope it is the adventures of Arya out west

[JonInMiddleGA]

From the cheap seats I will say that I thought the execution of the spoilers played out better on camera than they did when I read them.

Doesn't make them good, but I thought they came off better than I expected.

[JPhillips]

A live look at Martin answering questions about the finale.

[sabotai]

The bit with Edmure Tully during the dragon pit meeting was pretty hilarious.

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I hope it is the adventures of Arya out west

This is what I thought as soon as she said where she was going.

[Atocep]

Jorah died for this.

[bhlloy]

I don’t think I’ve laughed louder in a very long time than when Dany got shanked and then the dragon melted the iron throne.

That was an apt ending for this season, let’s just leave it there.

[Logan]

Bran the Broken

[Atocep]

Without getting too deep into discussion about this episode, is Bron as Master of Coin the stupidest thing in the entire series?

[ISiddiqui]

I did like how Drogon can destroy walls with one blast of Dragonfire, but the Iron Throne takes sustained blasts.

The election of Kings seemed a decent compromise (I did how they laughed out loud at Sam's democracy).

Bran as King would have been literally no one's guess at the start of this season. It looked like Bronn, Sam, and Brienne (and Pod!) got happy endings. Tyrion not being in the Song of Ice and Fire was hilarious (on a meta way as well because he has the most POV chapters in the books).

It also seems like "Bran the Broken" would be a historic nickname, not what you fucking call him to his face!

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[bhlloy]

Should have been Bran the Creeper, first of his name

[Coffee Warlord]

So Westeros now has...

As their King, an emotionless cripple who has a history of not using his abilities to help anyone.

As their Hand, a man who pretty much everyone hates, and has spent the last few years making terrible decisions and being out-maneuvered at every turn.

As their Master of Coin, a murderous sellsword with precisely zero experience in how to manage anything.

As their Grand Maester, a coward who has pretty much zero training as a Maseter.

With the North gone, and the Unsullied/Dothraki armies gone, no military to speak of.

Ruinous debts about to be incurred trying to rebuild the capital, not to mention nobody left in the city to rebuild it in the first place.

Let the people rejoice!

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

As their Hand, a man who pretty much everyone hates, and has spent the last few years making terrible decisions and being out-maneuvered at every turn.

The response to his suggestion on who should sit on the Iron Throne should have been some variation of "ok we know who not to pick now".

Why on earth would anyone listen to Tyrion in that situation?

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

As their Master of Coin, a murderous sellsword with precisely zero experience in how to manage anything.

The most bribable person in Westeros and I seriously doubt he can read.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Bran as King would have been literally no one's guess at the start of this season.

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If you follow betting markets he was the favorite since before the season started

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by Atocep

The response to his suggestion on who should sit on the Iron Throne should have been some variation of "ok we know who not to pick now".

Why on earth would anyone listen to Tyrion in that situation?

Got one better. Why on earth was anyone giving two shits what Grey Worm thought?

The most bribable person in Westeros and I seriously doubt he can read.

He can't. And even better, Tyrion once explained to him how borrowing money works.

[Izulde]

I’m on mobile only until next Sunday, so I’ll limit myself to the following until then:

1. That was one of the top 5 stupidest episodes I’ve ever seen in all my television watching history.

2. I felt gross and in need of a deeply cleansing shower after that disgusting Starksturbation.

[bronconick]

You figure Yara wants her independence after Sansa gets hers?

[PilotMan]

Nothing is perfect and life goes on. It was always prophesied that the Starks would rise and Lannisters fall. I'm satisfied. I'm not going to pick at it to death, but I like to accept the arc as it falls, and this holds solid in a story rich with history. That things don't end, or have clean lines from which to build on, that it's changed, as the end of one novel and the beginning of another. It's a reasonable arc of thought that is fine to finish on.

[stevew]

I loved how they continue to spawn more Unsullied and Dothraki every episode.

I’m pretty much going to forget this show ever happened by Thursday or so.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Game of Thrones series finale recap told only in Twitter reactions

[MrBug708]

Enjoyed it. Have no problems worth it and will miss it going forward. Can't wait for spinoffs

[Groundhog]

Yeah, for me that was maybe the best episode of a shaky season. Lots to fault, but they stuck the landing overall. Just enough throwbacks to earlier episodes without hitting Star wars territory, and redemption for Tyrion. I liked Jon's ending in particular, heading north with the free folk.