WW XCV: Land of the Role Reveals GAME OVER - Page 32

Danny · 06-01-2009, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Why am I to believe that dubb or Lathum are wolves again?

Dubb scanned Lathum as a wolf, his scans are 100% accurate if he is a villager. If he is not well then obviously he is a wolf, one of them for absolute certainty has to be a wolf.

Lathum · 06-01-2009, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Dubb scanned Lathum as a wolf, his scans are 100% accurate if he is a villager. If he is not well then obviously he is a wolf, one of them for absolute certainty has to be a wolf.

and making an end game play to get me killed.

The correct play is lynch Racer and have Danny use his ability on Dubb.

Schmidty, Dubb is making an end game play and for all I know Danny is riding his coattails to a win.

Danny · 06-01-2009, 04:20 PM

Dubb said he was able to put in the tie break decision after the deadline. Maybe I just have not seen it in other games, but this seems very odd to me. If it does work the way Dubb said, why would it just not be a conditional order just like a duke usually has. I've never seen an after deadline ability like that before.

Danny · 06-01-2009, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

and making an end game play to get me killed.

The correct play is lynch Racer and have Danny use his ability on Dubb.

Schmidty, Dubb is making an end game play and for all I know Danny is riding his coattails to a win.

Yeah, that's why I have not voted you. You're not doing yourself any favors by insisting on lynching Racer instead of Dubb and eliminating some of the possible support you could have to save yourself.

Lathum · 06-01-2009, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Yeah, that's why I have not voted you. You're not doing yourself any favors by insisting on lynching Racer instead of Dubb and eliminating some of the possible support you could have to save yourself.

And again, it's because I am confident that Racer and Dubb are wolves and since we can't kill Racer at night the only way we get both of them is lynch Racer and you kill Dubb.

Tyrith · 06-01-2009, 05:19 PM

Let me just put out a hypothetical that kind of leaves me wondering - if dubb is bad and making an endgame play, why Lathum? Who else was on his list?

Lathum · 06-01-2009, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrith

Let me just put out a hypothetical that kind of leaves me wondering - if dubb is bad and making an endgame play, why Lathum? Who else was on his list?

because it is easy to get me lynched based on reputation

Danny · 06-01-2009, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrith

Let me just put out a hypothetical that kind of leaves me wondering - if dubb is bad and making an endgame play, why Lathum? Who else was on his list?

Well lets say we are 6-5. He revealed after PB, so basically you, PB and I are out as the options. After what with the lynch and Dubb stating he felt there was no way Racer was a wolf, he was out. At that point if all four of us are villagers, there's only two villagers left to choose from. Lathum would seem more logical than USFL, Telle or Schmidty as it's always a good idea to scan Lathum.

Danny · 06-01-2009, 05:25 PM

Oh and Hoopsguy was out as he was advocating publicly to have him killed in thread

Tyrith · 06-01-2009, 05:35 PM

I think that's more indicative that Telle and Schmidty - and maybe USFL - are wolves if dubb is bad. We've been suspicious of Telle for about three days now, for instance. Calling out Lathum is asking for a fight.

Danny · 06-01-2009, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrith

I think that's more indicative that Telle and Schmidty - and maybe USFL - are wolves if dubb is bad. We've been suspicious of Telle for about three days now, for instance. Calling out Lathum is asking for a fight.

Despite her protects today, I still think Telle is bad. It's quite possible all three are.

Tyrith · 06-01-2009, 05:46 PM

Yeah. One way or another, it's useful information should Lathum turn out to be good and we're still in the game (and I highly doubt we started at 12.5-4.5).

Danny · 06-01-2009, 05:48 PM

From the reports it appears all this kid is classified is as learning disabled. Generally if a child is autistic, developmentally delayed or some others, they will specifically be classified as that. It would be nice if the story did actual reporting, but since they didn't specifically say, it's quite possible this kid simply had a reading disability or something along those lines.

Still, it is really unfortunate that he died from the tazer.

Danny · 06-01-2009, 05:49 PM

Oops, wrong window. It's stuck here with no editing.

saldana · 06-01-2009, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

From the reports it appears all this kid is classified is as learning disabled. Generally if a child is autistic, developmentally delayed or some others, they will specifically be classified as that. It would be nice if the story did actual reporting, but since they didn't specifically say, it's quite possible this kid simply had a reading disability or something along those lines.

Still, it is really unfortunate that he died from the tazer.

something tells me someone is in the wrong thread

hoopsguy · 06-01-2009, 05:50 PM

I knew that the discussion today was not the most highbrow I had run across, but I thought it was a little low to refer to our group as learning disabled and recommend a tazer treatment

Danny · 06-01-2009, 05:59 PM

I really would have liked to see Telle say she was a vanilla wolf. I think she likely has a role she doesn't want to lose.

PurdueBrad · 06-01-2009, 06:01 PM

Believe Racer as vanilla wolf (just covering our bases here)

hoopsguy · 06-01-2009, 06:02 PM

For what it is worth, I do not think that I had declared vanilla wolf - I thought it was just vanilla villager. If there is a preference for me to pick a different role to claim let me know.

Danny · 06-01-2009, 06:03 PM

Vanilla wolf is ideal since that person would lose all wolf abilities.

hoopsguy · 06-01-2009, 06:03 PM

BELIEVE RACER AS VANILLA WOLF
BELIEVE USFL AS VANILLA WOLF

hoopsguy · 06-01-2009, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Vanilla wolf is ideal since that person would lose all wolf abilities.

Let me go double-check ... if I had not claimed vanilla wolf I'll do so now.

hoopsguy · 06-01-2009, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Sure, I'll put it out there if people want to vote me into the role. Believe away.

I'M THE VANILLA WOLF

OK, it was vanilla wolf. Carry on, then.

Danny · 06-01-2009, 06:06 PM

USFL, who are you going to vote for?

Danny · 06-01-2009, 06:07 PM

Believe Racer as Vanilla Wolf
Believe USFL as Vanilla Wolf

Danny · 06-01-2009, 06:08 PM

My preference would be Telle and USFL or Schmidty

hoopsguy · 06-01-2009, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

BELIEVE RACER AS VANILLA WOLF
BELIEVE USFL AS VANILLA WOLF

Oops - blue font.

BELIEVE RACER AS VANILLA WOLF
BELIEVE USFL AS VANILLA WOLF

USFLTecmo · 06-01-2009, 06:09 PM

I'm not buying Lathum as a wolf, but I don't know which of the other two that have votes would be a more effective use of my vote as yet. Gimme a few minutes to find the vote count.

Danny · 06-01-2009, 06:09 PM

The reason I am not going Hoops is because I think if he is a wolf, he is the converted one and has no abilities anyway.

Danny · 06-01-2009, 06:10 PM

And I think Hoops is more likely a wolf if Dubb is one and I already have a Dubb friend to maniac in the night.

PurdueBrad · 06-01-2009, 06:13 PM

Danny, I'm pushing for Racer because of this:

If Lathum is a wolf, he *might* be trying to get trust for Racer. But if Lathum isn't a wolf, you have to hit Racer. If Lathum isn't a wolf though you have the choice between Dubb and Racer.

hoopsguy · 06-01-2009, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by USFLTecmo

I'm not buying Lathum as a wolf, but I don't know which of the other two that have votes would be a more effective use of my vote as yet. Gimme a few minutes to find the vote count.

Working on that right now as well.

Danny · 06-01-2009, 06:15 PM

I think if I was a player in my own game, we would have hit 4000 posts.

USFLTecmo · 06-01-2009, 06:15 PM

VOTE DUBB

This is completely, 100% gut feel, but I haven't liked the feeling I've had all game. I see above I'm linked to Dubb a bit if he's bad (as far as me also having a higher chance of being a wolf, which is inaccurate, because I'm not), but even so, even if it means I'm putting myself at risk tomorrow, I'd rather go with my gut feel. I'm not getting much of a wolf read off of Racer, either, for that matter. Dubb's in a great place to be if he's a wolf, and that scares me more than Lathum being a wolf right now. If Dubb comes up clean, I'm sure Lathum's toast immediately, if there is a tomorrow.

Danny · 06-01-2009, 06:18 PM

Something about Hoops, Racer and Dubb bothers me, I think all three could be wolves.

Danny · 06-01-2009, 06:21 PM

In case we lost tonight, my final pure gut tells me the wolves are Dubb, Racer, Hoops, Telle and Saldana. If I am right, I want extra make believe points!

hoopsguy · 06-01-2009, 06:24 PM

Vote count as of Post #1586:

2 - Racer - Lathum (1306), Schmidty (1535)
2 - dubb - Danny (1413), USFL (1584)
6 - Lathum - dubb (1285), Tyrith (1293), saldana (1319), PurdueBrad (1378), hoopsguy (1387), Racer (1494)

Yet to vote: Telle

Danny · 06-01-2009, 06:25 PM

USFL, are you going to be around at deadline?

hoopsguy · 06-01-2009, 06:27 PM

I'm going to see if we can potentially create the Racer/Lathum run-off that I had mentioned earlier. I'm fine with 4-4-2 instead of 5-5 but that would require Dubb to play along with the plan demonstrating his dukeship as well. And Telle to go to the right candidate as well ... I'm not counting on that happening, but I'll see if I can encourage it.

Since Dubb has not yet responded to it in the thread lets see if he will now that the vote is a bit closer and it just might come to pass.

UNVOTE LATHUM
VOTE RACER

PurdueBrad · 06-01-2009, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

In case we lost tonight, my final pure gut tells me the wolves are Dubb, Racer, Hoops, Telle and Saldana. If I am right, I want extra make believe points!

Danny, you'll get major make believe points from me.

hoopsguy · 06-01-2009, 06:28 PM

As of Post #1589, votes are:

3 - Racer - Lathum (1306), Schmidty (1535), Hoops (1589)
2 - dubb - Danny (1413), USFL (1584)
5 - Lathum - dubb (1285), Tyrith (1293), saldana (1319), PurdueBrad (1378), Racer (1494)

Yet to vote: Telle

PurdueBrad · 06-01-2009, 06:28 PM

Hoops, w/o me going back, who do you want the run-off between, racer and Lathum?

hoopsguy · 06-01-2009, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

In case we lost tonight, my final pure gut tells me the wolves are Dubb, Racer, Hoops, Telle and Saldana. If I am right, I want extra make believe points!

Do I get Pass points for telling you that you cannot get make believe points since I'm a villager?

Pretty late in the game to be going after the Pass points, but there it is.

Clearly I amuse myself.

hoopsguy · 06-01-2009, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Hoops, w/o me going back, who do you want the run-off between, racer and Lathum?

I'll quote it - short version is that I think it provides us the chance for the most/best information today if we aren't going to have the horses to lynch Dubb.

hoopsguy · 06-01-2009, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

OK, I want to run through the matrix of assumptions for the vote today:

1.) Dubb, (presumed?) duke and believed seer, says that Lathum is a wolf
2.) Lathum, once accused, comes out as a seer (real/false/make-believe) and says that Racer is a wolf

Now, there is a risk in believing Dubb on this because we could be at end game here. But, if we aren't going to string up Dubb today then here is what I would like to see happen.

Put a tie in place for Lathum/Racer with Dubb abstaining from the vote if everyone else goes along with it. Dubb would be able to use the tie-breaker rule (as he has suggested it) to PM Barkeep with his vote, which would certainly be for Lathum since he has called Lathum as a wolf.

I know Dubb has posted that Lathum is a wolf in the thread and thus will want to vote for him. But he was also frustrated that I tried to jeopardize his tie-break on Friday. So here would be a chance for him to prove it, especially if the last vote falls on Racer.

I think there is a lot of risk with this plan - heck, there is a ton of risk. But does anyone else have a better scenario for allowing us to actually learn something about all three people (Dubb, Lathum, and Racer) at the same time?

If this plays out poorly then Danny is going to whack me at night anyway. No one else has a single "Believe" vote on them yet for vanilla villager.

If Dubb does have us in endgame then we still have to be 6-5 on the right candidate today and I haven't seen anything yet that suggests the rest of the villagers are committed to going after Dubb (or anyone else that I think is a wolf right now).

Thoughts?

There was the post from earlier on why a Lathum/Racer tie could potentially yield us the most info if we can pull it off.

Danny · 06-01-2009, 06:31 PM

If you are a villager, you can have Pass points.

Racer · 06-01-2009, 06:31 PM

Believe Hoopsguy as Vanilla wolf

PurdueBrad · 06-01-2009, 06:31 PM

Hoops, game is on the line and you have to choose between dubb, Lathum, and dubb. Who would your true choice be?

PurdueBrad · 06-01-2009, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Hoops, game is on the line and you have to choose between dubb, Lathum, and dubb. Who would your true choice be?

I mean racer, Lathum, and dubb.

Danny · 06-01-2009, 06:33 PM

I prefer that plan to a runaway on Lathum. I think there's a good chance both Dubb and Racer are wolves and may be why Racer was reluctant to tie the vote up initially.

06-01-2009, 04:20 PM	#1553
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Dubb said he was able to put in the tie break decision after the deadline. Maybe I just have not seen it in other games, but this seems very odd to me. If it does work the way Dubb said, why would it just not be a conditional order just like a duke usually has. I've never seen an after deadline ability like that before.

06-01-2009, 05:19 PM	#1556
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	Let me just put out a hypothetical that kind of leaves me wondering - if dubb is bad and making an endgame play, why Lathum? Who else was on his list?

06-01-2009, 05:25 PM	#1559
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Oh and Hoopsguy was out as he was advocating publicly to have him killed in thread

06-01-2009, 05:35 PM	#1560
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	I think that's more indicative that Telle and Schmidty - and maybe USFL - are wolves if dubb is bad. We've been suspicious of Telle for about three days now, for instance. Calling out Lathum is asking for a fight.

06-01-2009, 05:46 PM	#1562
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	Yeah. One way or another, it's useful information should Lathum turn out to be good and we're still in the game (and I highly doubt we started at 12.5-4.5).

06-01-2009, 05:48 PM	#1563
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	From the reports it appears all this kid is classified is as learning disabled. Generally if a child is autistic, developmentally delayed or some others, they will specifically be classified as that. It would be nice if the story did actual reporting, but since they didn't specifically say, it's quite possible this kid simply had a reading disability or something along those lines. Still, it is really unfortunate that he died from the tazer.

06-01-2009, 05:49 PM	#1564
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Oops, wrong window. It's stuck here with no editing.

06-01-2009, 05:50 PM	#1566
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I knew that the discussion today was not the most highbrow I had run across, but I thought it was a little low to refer to our group as learning disabled and recommend a tazer treatment

06-01-2009, 05:59 PM	#1567
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I really would have liked to see Telle say she was a vanilla wolf. I think she likely has a role she doesn't want to lose.

06-01-2009, 06:02 PM	#1569
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	For what it is worth, I do not think that I had declared vanilla wolf - I thought it was just vanilla villager. If there is a preference for me to pick a different role to claim let me know.

06-01-2009, 06:03 PM	#1570
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Vanilla wolf is ideal since that person would lose all wolf abilities.

06-01-2009, 06:03 PM	#1571
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	BELIEVE RACER AS VANILLA WOLF BELIEVE USFL AS VANILLA WOLF

06-01-2009, 06:06 PM	#1574
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	USFL, who are you going to vote for?

06-01-2009, 06:07 PM	#1575
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Believe Racer as Vanilla Wolf Believe USFL as Vanilla Wolf

06-01-2009, 06:08 PM	#1576
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	My preference would be Telle and USFL or Schmidty

06-01-2009, 06:09 PM	#1578
USFLTecmo H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, Wisconsin	I'm not buying Lathum as a wolf, but I don't know which of the other two that have votes would be a more effective use of my vote as yet. Gimme a few minutes to find the vote count.

06-01-2009, 06:09 PM	#1579
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	The reason I am not going Hoops is because I think if he is a wolf, he is the converted one and has no abilities anyway.

06-01-2009, 06:10 PM	#1580
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	And I think Hoops is more likely a wolf if Dubb is one and I already have a Dubb friend to maniac in the night.

06-01-2009, 06:15 PM	#1583
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I think if I was a player in my own game, we would have hit 4000 posts.

06-01-2009, 06:15 PM	#1584
USFLTecmo H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, Wisconsin	VOTE DUBB This is completely, 100% gut feel, but I haven't liked the feeling I've had all game. I see above I'm linked to Dubb a bit if he's bad (as far as me also having a higher chance of being a wolf, which is inaccurate, because I'm not), but even so, even if it means I'm putting myself at risk tomorrow, I'd rather go with my gut feel. I'm not getting much of a wolf read off of Racer, either, for that matter. Dubb's in a great place to be if he's a wolf, and that scares me more than Lathum being a wolf right now. If Dubb comes up clean, I'm sure Lathum's toast immediately, if there is a tomorrow.

06-01-2009, 06:18 PM	#1585
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Something about Hoops, Racer and Dubb bothers me, I think all three could be wolves.

06-01-2009, 06:21 PM	#1586
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	In case we lost tonight, my final pure gut tells me the wolves are Dubb, Racer, Hoops, Telle and Saldana. If I am right, I want extra make believe points!

06-01-2009, 06:24 PM	#1587
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Vote count as of Post #1586: 2 - Racer - Lathum (1306), Schmidty (1535) 2 - dubb - Danny (1413), USFL (1584) 6 - Lathum - dubb (1285), Tyrith (1293), saldana (1319), PurdueBrad (1378), hoopsguy (1387), Racer (1494) Yet to vote: Telle

06-01-2009, 06:25 PM	#1588
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	USFL, are you going to be around at deadline?

06-01-2009, 06:27 PM	#1589
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I'm going to see if we can potentially create the Racer/Lathum run-off that I had mentioned earlier. I'm fine with 4-4-2 instead of 5-5 but that would require Dubb to play along with the plan demonstrating his dukeship as well. And Telle to go to the right candidate as well ... I'm not counting on that happening, but I'll see if I can encourage it. Since Dubb has not yet responded to it in the thread lets see if he will now that the vote is a bit closer and it just might come to pass. UNVOTE LATHUM VOTE RACER

06-01-2009, 06:28 PM	#1591
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	As of Post #1589, votes are: 3 - Racer - Lathum (1306), Schmidty (1535), Hoops (1589) 2 - dubb - Danny (1413), USFL (1584) 5 - Lathum - dubb (1285), Tyrith (1293), saldana (1319), PurdueBrad (1378), Racer (1494) Yet to vote: Telle

06-01-2009, 06:31 PM	#1596
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	If you are a villager, you can have Pass points.

06-01-2009, 06:31 PM	#1597
Racer College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana	Believe Hoopsguy as Vanilla wolf

06-01-2009, 06:33 PM	#1600
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I prefer that plan to a runaway on Lathum. I think there's a good chance both Dubb and Racer are wolves and may be why Racer was reluctant to tie the vote up initially.

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